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bagged89s10

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One of these vise stands is on my bucket list of things to find.
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Hi all -

Has anyone seen a big Prentiss with oversize jaws like this?

Thanks,

Thrumcap
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G-ManBart

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This Reed popped up today, but it's a couple hundred miles from me...no time to make the drive to CLT in the next couple weeks.

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I did make him an offer to hold it...not holding my breath.

There are people who scan this thread looking for links like this so they can beat you to it....and then flip it for money. It looks like a really nice vise, and a great price....and my in-laws live near there. If I were you, I'd edit out that link ;)
 

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I can't remember the exact blue paint I used on my records, but it was a plastikote engine enamel. Maybe Ford?

Thanks. I used some of that very paint in the mid 90's and was thinking it might be a good, tough, choice. Probably reformulated since then, but good to hear it is decent. I just did some searches on whether heating paint makes it tougher, but I couldn't find any science to it, or even particulars on which types of paint it works with. Pretty much everything just said it only speeds hardening.

This Reed popped up today, but it's a couple hundred miles from me...

Jeez. If I lived near NC, I'd be all over that. Though I'd probably be so fat from BBQ that my greasy hands couldn't come together to pick stuff up.
 

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Thrum: I have to agree with Outlaw that i can't recall seeing any Prentiss vises with those style of oversize jaws. that said with the way those jaws look i bet the person making them put in some time to make them.

Meatsis: i think we are going to need a few more pictures. don't you think? :dunno:

ALL: i just found a very similar wood vise with quick release with a JET sticker on it so guessing my TAIWAN no name vise is probably a JET brand because it does look the same. sorry i just have the one picture of mine, but here's a few of the Jet one i found. it's not as big as my bigger Record quick release vises, but it's a good size for a small bench and seems to work just as good.
 

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GlugGlug

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That's a really cool vise. And I like the vise clutter under the bench too.

Well spotted. Anyone ever built a Lazy Susan for their vises? He needs one. How about a rail wheel, mounted to a sturdy bench, with vises all around?
 

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Glug: there have been some pretty creative stands and ideas on how to store vises. those vises of Meatsis might weigh 200 pounds each on that shelf he has them sitting on so it would have to be some LAZY SUSAN. ROYCE just made sort of one on top of a fire hydrant so take a peek on this thread and add your own design when you build one.

http://www.garagejournal.com/forum/showthread.php?t=252799&highlight=vise+stands
 

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Glug: there have been some pretty creative stands and ideas on how to store vises. those vises of Meatsis might weigh 200 pounds each on that shelf he has them sitting on so it would have to be some LAZY SUSAN. ROYCE just made sort of one on top of a fire hydrant so take a peek on this thread and add your own design when you build one.

http://www.garagejournal.com/forum/showthread.php?t=252799&highlight=vise+stands


Drives it right, I think there's 8 vises on that lower shelf and the smallest one weighs 210 lbs. I'll get some more pics of the new double swiveler.
 

Mark in Indiana

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Hello Vise Friends.

For your review is a vintage Bison-Bial 80 machinist's vise. This one is special to me because it belonged to my Dad. He won it at an auction, sometime in the mid 70s. Shortly after bringing it home, he painted it with some leftover latex wall paint that was used in the house...
Love the color!

The vise was manufactured in Poland by the Bison-Bial company, a manufacture of top quality work holders, machine accessories and vises.

Vise information:
Weight; 17 pounds. (7.7kg)
Jaw size; 3” (80mm)
Jaw depth; 3 1/2” (89mm)
Maximum safe opening; 4 3/8” (111mm)


Below are some before pictures:

My next post will give information on the restoration work.
 

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Mark in Indiana

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Now on to the restoration.

This vise is no different to disassemble than an Athol, or any other domestic vise with a spring loaded lead screw. I didn't take very many pictures of the disassembly/rework/reassembly because this vise only needed to be cleaned, polished and painted. However, there are some interesting points about this vise that I did photograph:

1st. Picture: Here's the underside. I wanted to show the spring loaded spindle. All that needs to be done is to straighten out the cotter pin.
***WARNING*** Wear safety glasses when bending a cotter pin. While I was straightening out this one with a screwdriver, part of it broke off and hit me on the forehead.

2nd. Picture: In order to remove the cotter pin, you need to compress the spring, thus relieving the pressure on the pin. Thanks to Drives for reminding me about this awhile back, I notched the end of a piece of 3/4” thin wall conduit to do the job.

3rd. Picture: Since there was a lot of paint to remove (including a couple of coats of 70s green interior latex) I decided to spray it down with EZ Off and let it sit for 8 hours. This saves a lot of time with the wire wheel. While cleaning the jaw bodies, I noticed evidence of gray and red paint. Red may have been the original color?

4th. Picture: I thought that it would be interesting to show the spindle nut. The rounded end fits into a nest that is cast into the inside of the stationary jaw body.

5th. Picture: Painting is all done. Again, there is nothing different about painting this vise compared to domestic vises. Time for a test fit.
I only had one problem while test fitting the dynamic jaw slide into the stationary jaw body. Since my intentions for this vise is to be an ornamental vise, I clear coated the bare metal areas of the slide. I discovered that the tolerances between the slide and the stationary jaw body were so close that the thickness of a single coat of lacquer would not allow for movement of the slide through the stationary jaw body. So I had to clean off the lacquer and apply furniture paste wax to the bare metal areas of the slide.

6th. Picture. These are the pads that are cast in the stationary jaw body that hold the dynamic jaw slide in place.

7th. Picture: Here's the finished spindle spring assembly



My next post will show the finished restoration.
 

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Mark in Indiana

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So here we are at the finish of the restoration.

The vise has been painted with Rustoleum Hammered Verde Green. It's as close to the original color for a new Bison 1250 series vise that I can come up with. After assembly and lubrication, this vise has one the most precise movements that I've seen. There is no side play in the slide and there is no slop in the spindle (thanks to the spring assembly).

If you notice in the fifth picture, there is a numbered stamping of 73-2 . I can only guess that that's a date code. I sent an email to the inside sales rep at the Bison-Bial, USA office to ask about it. At this time, I haven't heard back. When I do, I will post the information here.

This has been a fun, easy and very satisfying restoration. I plan to mount the vise on a wood stand to display as an heirloom.
 

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Is Zoomie still trying to corner the market on those little buggers?:lol:---I knew that was going to be a good show, but didn't think it would shoot that high.:shocking:---Glad I got one back when you could still buy one with a working man's salary.


Thrump, evidently $500.00 is a good buy.
 
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Mark: WELL DONE SIR!! i know you like those FPU vises maybe more than i do.

ALL: i think we talked about this last year or maybe 2 years ago when these little vises started selling for big money. VA buys them to feed to his chain gang, but once he heard how much they sell for he lets the little ones go to the spa now and let's the chain gang go hungry.

VA: funny you should show up and post just as i wrote this!!
 

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He asked for bids...

I searched through the couch, my chair and the car seat...

Opened with...

$1.00...:evil:

He's dreaming with his BIN of $525.00:lol::lol_hitti
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If it was a mini, with 1 1/2 in. jaws, it would already be at $525,00, maybe more.
 

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Is Zoomie still trying to corner the market on those little buggers?:lol:---I knew that was going to be a good show, but didn't think it would shoot that high.:shocking:---Glad I got one back when you could still buy one with a working man's salary.


Thrump, evidently $500.00 is a good buy.

I'd have to sell 3 to get 1! :lol_hitti
 

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Now on to the restoration.

This vise is no different to disassemble than an Athol, or any other domestic vise with a spring loaded lead screw. I didn't take very many pictures of the disassembly/rework/reassembly because this vise only needed to be cleaned, polished and painted. However, there are some interesting points about this vise that I did photograph:

1st. Picture: Here's the underside. I wanted to show the spring loaded spindle. All that needs to be done is to straighten out the cotter pin.
***WARNING*** Wear safety glasses when bending a cotter pin. While I was straightening out this one with a screwdriver, part of it broke off and hit me on the forehead.

2nd. Picture: In order to remove the cotter pin, you need to compress the spring, thus relieving the pressure on the pin. Thanks to Drives for reminding me about this awhile back, I notched the end of a piece of 3/4” thin wall conduit to do the job.

3rd. Picture: Since there was a lot of paint to remove (including a couple of coats of 70s green interior latex) I decided to spray it down with EZ Off and let it sit for 8 hours. This saves a lot of time with the wire wheel. While cleaning the jaw bodies, I noticed evidence of gray and red paint. Red may have been the original color?

4th. Picture: I thought that it would be interesting to show the spindle nut. The rounded end fits into a nest that is cast into the inside of the stationary jaw body.

5th. Picture: Painting is all done. Again, there is nothing different about painting this vise compared to domestic vises. Time for a test fit.
I only had one problem while test fitting the dynamic jaw slide into the stationary jaw body. Since my intentions for this vise is to be an ornamental vise, I clear coated the bare metal areas of the slide. I discovered that the tolerances between the slide and the stationary jaw body were so close that the thickness of a single coat of lacquer would not allow for movement of the slide through the stationary jaw body. So I had to clean off the lacquer and apply furniture paste wax to the bare metal areas of the slide.

6th. Picture. These are the pads that are cast in the stationary jaw body that hold the dynamic jaw slide in place.

7th. Picture: Here's the finished spindle spring assembly

My next post will show the finished restoration.

Beautiful job on the restore, Mark. Haven't bought a vise in a few weeks, but will see if I can find one of these locally.
 

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BP: Paramo vices are nice stout vices and that one looks pretty clean. depending on what it would take to be the winning bid that could be a good one to buy.

Zoomie: love the orange color on your Wilton and your new Orange SO box looks like a Keeper. are those double or triple swivelers you posted in a different area of you home away from the SEA OF TETNUS? nice group that is for certain.
 

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BP: Paramo vices are nice stout vices and that one looks pretty clean. depending on what it would take to be the winning bid that could be a good one to buy.

Zoomie: love the orange color on your Wilton and your new Orange SO box looks like a Keeper. are those double or triple swivelers you posted in a different area of you home away from the SEA OF TETNUS? nice group that is for certain.

Swivel base, swivel body, I can only handle so many "axises", haha!:lol_hitti
 

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Here is a Wilton 744 4in mechanics vise I just repainted. I bought the vise for 25 bucks and bought pipe jaws from a fellow member autopts on eBay for 20 bucks and then the paint so I'm into this vise 50 bucks and I'm really digging it. I really like the sealed shape of this one.
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