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Thumper68

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Technically that is a dry cut saw you linked.

Here is a video I did on the one I bought last winter.
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The one you linked seems to be well liked. It like most of the others has a few issues the vise is a bit weak and the base is stamped metal and it is not as solid feeling as the one bought.

Here is the video for the workstation I built for mine.

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Vast improvement over a abrasive saw IMO
 

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I would pass.

I used one of these for a while at a shop I used to work at. I can't stress enough how terrible I think they are. The blades are expensive, they fling hot chips everywhere, the vise ***** on all the models I've seen, this is one of those tools I can't see a use for.


In my shop, we use the horizontal bandsaw, and an actual cold saw. The abrasive chop saw is great for hardened shafting and the like.

If you want one saw to cut it all, get a nice horizontal bandsaw. A good bandsaw will cut that 2.5" steel bar in less than a minute with no heat, no burr, and a much smaller kerf.
 

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I use one but the blade turns slowly, guessing 50rpm maybe, from a worm drive motor. It uses coolant and has a HSS blade. Gives a nice clean cut and no sparks. Brand is MACC.

Not really sure what it's technically called though? Cut off saw, mitre saw, cold saw...?
 

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I use one but the blade turns slowly, guessing 50rpm maybe, from a worm drive motor. It uses coolant and has a HSS blade. Gives a nice clean cut and no sparks. Brand is MACC.

Not really sure what it's technically called though? Cut off saw, mitre saw, cold saw...?

Cold cut saw
 

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I would pass.

I used one of these for a while at a shop I used to work at. I can't stress enough how terrible I think they are. The blades are expensive, they fling hot chips everywhere, the vise ***** on all the models I've seen, this is one of those tools I can't see a use for.


In my shop, we use the horizontal bandsaw, and an actual cold saw. The abrasive chop saw is great for hardened shafting and the like.

If you want one saw to cut it all, get a nice horizontal bandsaw. A good bandsaw will cut that 2.5" steel bar in less than a minute with no heat, no burr, and a much smaller kerf.

Dr Clyde and I are in agreement here - and we're in the minority on this forum in that regard. And we're both machinists I think.

I echo all of his sentiments. Band saw is superior in so many ways. I keep my 14" abrasive for hardened materials
 

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I use one but the blade turns slowly, guessing 50rpm maybe, from a worm drive motor. It uses coolant and has a HSS blade. Gives a nice clean cut and no sparks. Brand is MACC.

Not really sure what it's technically called though? Cut off saw, mitre saw, cold saw...?

What you have is an actual, industrial cold saw. These are a great type of saw, but kind of expensive for the home shop.
 

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I have one of those cheap bandsaws and for the money it works great. I all so have a chop saw but i dont like eating steel dust. If i won the lottery i would buy a biger better band saw but i do alot of fab work and there hasnt been alot my band saw wont handle.
 

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What you have is an actual, industrial cold saw. These are a great type of saw, but kind of expensive for the home shop.

Yes, a true cold saw kicks ***. The good ones miter in EITHER direction & clamp on BOTH sides of the blade. Blades are not carbide tooth which actually makes them far less fragile & more easily re-sharpened.

But yes, they are cost-prohibitive for most home shops. The dry cut saws try to bridge the gap for the wanna-be weekend warriors, kinda like an Eco-Boost pretending to be a 3/4t diesel.

The homeowner can have it all with a quality 4x6 or 5x7 bandsaw, or a 7x12" if you can fit it. And it won't make a single ounce of objectionable noise to your wife or neighbors. Blades will cost you $20-35 vs $100 and if you're not stupid you'll replace a blade a year, tops.

But the dry cuts have a cult following---- wait for it....they're coming to tell me I'm mistaken.
 

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I have a Makita 1230 cold cutting saw and it is fantastic. It however would not be what I would use to cut the 2.5" square bar. I would use a band saw for that.
 

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I would pass.

I used one of these for a while at a shop I used to work at. I can't stress enough how terrible I think they are. The blades are expensive, they fling hot chips everywhere, the vise ***** on all the models I've seen, this is one of those tools I can't see a use for.


In my shop, we use the horizontal bandsaw, and an actual cold saw. The abrasive chop saw is great for hardened shafting and the like.

If you want one saw to cut it all, get a nice horizontal bandsaw. A good bandsaw will cut that 2.5" steel bar in less than a minute with no heat, no burr, and a much smaller kerf.


Dr Clyde and I are in agreement here - and we're in the minority on this forum in that regard. And we're both machinists I think.

I echo all of his sentiments. Band saw is superior in so many ways. I keep my 14" abrasive for hardened materials

Yes, a true cold saw kicks ***. The good ones miter in EITHER direction & clamp on BOTH sides of the blade. Blades are not carbide tooth which actually makes them far less fragile & more easily re-sharpened.

But yes, they are cost-prohibitive for most home shops. The dry cut saws try to bridge the gap for the wanna-be weekend warriors, kinda like an Eco-Boost pretending to be a 3/4t diesel.

The homeowner can have it all with a quality 4x6 or 5x7 bandsaw, or a 7x12" if you can fit it. And it won't make a single ounce of objectionable noise to your wife or neighbors. Blades will cost you $20-35 vs $100 and if you're not stupid you'll replace a blade a year, tops.

But the dry cuts have a cult following---- wait for it....they're coming to tell me I'm mistaken.

I will not disagree with you, a good bandsaw is far superior to a dry cut saw in almost every way.

The few ways the dry cut is better are not things I would make a purchase decision on.

The big issue I see is that a good bandsaw is way more expensive than a dry cut, has a much bigger foot print.
Yes you can go out a buy a cheap chicom 4x6 bandsaw and with a lot of fiddling you can get a good cut out of it, but you can also go spend the same money on a dry cut and get the same quality cut right out of the box.

Or you can do what I did and spend more money on commercial dry cut (still less than half of the cost of a cold saw) and get a saw that will preform very well.

I did a ton of research on the saw I bought, cast base, vise works very well, small foot print, good chip retention.

I still use both my horizontal and vertical bandsaws but the dry cut has become my go to for quick accurate cuts on just about everything.

The other thing I really like is that it is portable which neither of my bandsaws are.

Tomorrow I am going out to fix a gate for a guy, I know I am going to have to make quite a few cuts on 3/4" square stock. In the field my options are a grinder with a cut off, hacksaw, porta band, oxy torch, abrasive saw or the dry cut. Guess which one will see the most of the work?
 

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By the way this reminds me of the circular saw, contractors saw and cabinet saw debate, all of those have their uses but my grandfather built cabinetry with a few hand saws....
 

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On an earlier thread people were claiming the cold cuts gave a more square cut with no need to deburr.
 

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The guy who helped me build a deer fence from 3" oil field pipe had a large, slow-turning cold saw. It just walked through the 1/4" wall pipe.

One advantage of the cold saw, when handling a 30' stick of pipe. the saw sat on the ground and a band saw would have required setting up at least two stands to support the pipe and then two strong guys to lift and position the pipe.

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I would pass.

I used one of these for a while at a shop I used to work at. I can't stress enough how terrible I think they are. The blades are expensive, they fling hot chips everywhere, the vise ***** on all the models I've seen, this is one of those tools I can't see a use for.


In my shop, we use the horizontal bandsaw, and an actual cold saw. The abrasive chop saw is great for hardened shafting and the like.

If you want one saw to cut it all, get a nice horizontal bandsaw. A good bandsaw will cut that 2.5" steel bar in less than a minute with no heat, no burr, and a much smaller kerf.

I sell both bandsaws and the carbide dry cut saws. For my home shop i only use my bandsaw saw and occasionally oull out my abrasive chop saw.

Blade cost just seems way to high on the dry cuts.
 

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Interesting discussion. Could anyone link a good bandsaw for a weekend warrior?
 
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Thumper68, thanks for the videos. Would like to have seen that saw cutting thru some 2.5" solid square stock. As to the base on most saws, the one on my Craftsman abrasive saw is devilishly heavy - cast iron. Pain to move, but doesn't go anywhere once you set it down. Looks like I'll have to keep on with it until I luck into a good deal on a bandsaw.
 

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Dry cut saws are great for tubing and aluminum extrusions, abrasive saws are great for hardended pieces and ferrous structural items (ex angle, rebar). Bandsaw is and pretty much will always be king for cutting solid stock on the cheap. If one of the off shore companies could come up with a smaller roll in style saw for ~$600, they would be the ticket for the home shop.
 
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I use a dry cut saw very frequently... 10-30x a week. I used to have Milwaukee, now I have a dewalt.

They are effective and efficient for the work I do... Huge consideration is size... They are compact enough to fit in a van with toolboxes, gangboxes, roll groover, rigging equipment, and other power/hand tools and construction equipment.

The blades are expensive (I don't have to pay for them).

The blades last for a very long time if they are used correctly.

The back stop/clamps do not always give you a 100% square cut.

The cut is square enough to file/groove schedule 40 pipe. (Maybe 87-93 degrees instead of 90).

The saw makes a mess, the saw throws some hot metal shavings at you from time to time, and the saw is loud... STUPID FREAKING LOUD.

That being said... Yea, the method of dry cut saws kinda *****... But it gets the job done, pretty damn well. I've made thousands of cuts of 2" and 3" schedule 40 hydraulic oil pipe, 1/2-3" Emt, 1/4" angle iron, 14-16 gauge sheet metal raceway. Even spent some time cutting finish stainless trim (maybe 16-18 gauge).
Also, The cut capacity is huge... I think the largest thing I regularly cut is a 3/16" thick, 8"deep x 4" tall rail section.

I agree that the method is not machinist level accurate, but the speed/size/efficiency/cost are worth noting. While it wouldn't be my first choice for any personal/precise cuts, it serves as a workhorse in my day job.
 

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I have a larger bandsaw and a 14" dry cut saw. Nine times out of ten the bandsaw is better suited and/or just does a better job.

However I also have a Milwaukee metal cutting circular saw (dry cut) and absolutely love it! Handy as anything, blades seem to last forever, for whatever reason it seems to be night and day compared to the 14" dry cut saw.

For 2.5" (solid I presume) a bandsaw is really the only reasonable option. For the most part dry cut saws struggle with thicker sections.
 

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Lots of good replies in here from some well known members.

I am a huge fan of the dry cut saws, but I do mostly thin wall tubing. A bandsaw is absolutely the most versatile saw in this class. But the speed, size, and accuracy of the dry cut saw was a big sell for me.

For what you are doing, 2.5" solid stock correct? Definitely a band saw.

I cut a block of solid steel that is about 2.5-3" thick. It was super clean, but probably cost me a ton of life on that blade.
 

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I'll echo some of the previous comments.

I bought the Evolution saw a couple of years ago. It cuts great, but man, those chips. And the blades, and the vice. And there will be that one time, when the vice doesn't hold correctly, and you launch the tube across the shop, and ruin the blade.

I found a FEM saw on CL some time back, it's a bandsaw type of cut off saw, expensive, but worth every penny IMO.
 
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