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Quality, Quality, Quality, being the main reason, for myself, again we've all been down that there road of you get what you pay for, but saying that, there is some good quality China and Taiwan made tools & equipment on the market, but on the other hand, there is some rubbish stuff as well.
 
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I refuse to buy products made by slaves unless there is no alternative.

I take pride in spending a bit more so that my neighbors can have jobs. Someday it might be my kids job. Tommorow it could be someone buying something from a plant I'm working at. Greed has ruined the middle class.

Buying American ensures American jobs. It's extremely simple. If everyone did it, and boycotted brands once they were outsourced, we wouldn't be in the situation we're in.

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Exactly what Mark said. I work in a facility that manufactures products in the USA. I'm not using junk HF **** to fix the machinery. If someone can't afford a $10 channellock pliers they have bigger problems. Also Taiwan is not China. Taiwan stuff has much higher quality, think the original gearwrenches vs the **** they are now (made in China).
 
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I posted before but wanted to give a couple examples.i have approx 500 combination wrenches of various duties i have 4 sets of gearwrench when they first come out.and have several sets of the newer ones along with blue point also taiwan and i have sets of sk us.i have snap on armstrong mac craftsman blue point proto and other combination wrenches.if im trying to loosen a fastener i usually grab a ratchet wrench first depending on where its at.if its too tight and i have locked up a few ratchet wrenches mainly 9/16 blue point and g r i thru experience know i cant use their open end because the jaws will spread every time on a foreign wrench at least asian.so i go to any one of my others usually craftsman.and get the job done.i have truck brand flare nut wrenches that are taiwan i love the looks but i have had the jaws spread on those as well.luckily i have a full set of craftsman and sk.now i have another issue with foreign tools i bought a full set of matco pliers,needle nose dikes slip joint etc.they are ten years old and my us blue point are probably 30 and my channel lock brand set I do not know how old.but the matco rust up so bad i have to soak in evaporust and then use marvel mystery oil on them.so their finish is matte black now while my others are still nice except for handles being nicked up here and there.dont know the coo on the matco i think its euro.i do like my matco/witte screwdrivers which i think are euro.lets talk special job tools i have a few so called top notch foreign snap ring pliers taiwan. They do not compare to my snap on when it comes to a contrary snap ring or a small tedious job.sockets,i have mostly all us made but some high end taiwan if i have that one time and im talking industrial where a bolt is precisely fit and sized i know not to try the matco or any others that are foreign i go to my snap on impacts. That is if its that type of application.when im using allen wrenches asian wrenches of any kind are a no no i use us or European.drill bits made or seas are a joke.you will find that out.so are taps and dies.luckily i have greenfield,us matco h s s Norse craftsman us and many other old us brands i have had for years.thay last and last.so its all found out from listening to other experienced fellas older than myself yes they were patriotic as well.and i have learned over 35 years that us made tools and products are of a higher quality and standard whether it be tools parts bearings especially any steel product e.g. tools batteries shoes if you can find them.when i said id jammed up a couple ratchet wrenches both g r and blue point i didn't warranty any time i took the b p apparent and fixed and wacked the g rs on a vise or something because the sears i bought those at went out and i dont see snap on at home now.so if i was starting all over as just a diy knowing what i know even though its a little harder to buy us made id use the internet and buy all us if i got in a pinch on a weekend sure i would go to advance auto and get a gear wrench or a taiwan made tool.but i would buy tools that i know i could hand down to my son and his son and know they are us made and they still work as good as the day they were made.and buying us tools isn't going to bring back a bunch of jobs here but it will help the ones that are still here.thats for the economist specialist on here!
 

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I posted before but wanted to give a couple examples.i have approx 500 combination wrenches of various duties i have 4 sets of gearwrench when they first come out.and have several sets of the newer ones along with blue point also taiwan and i have sets of sk us.i have snap on armstrong mac craftsman blue point proto and other combination wrenches.if im trying to loosen a fastener i usually grab a ratchet wrench first depending on where its at.if its too tight and i have locked up a few ratchet wrenches mainly 9/16 blue point and g r i thru experience know i cant use their open end because the jaws will spread every time on a foreign wrench at least asian.so i go to any one of my others usually craftsman.and get the job done.i have truck brand flare nut wrenches that are taiwan i love the looks but i have had the jaws spread on those as well.luckily i have a full set of craftsman and sk.now i have another issue with foreign tools i bought a full set of matco pliers,needle nose dikes slip joint etc.they are ten years old and my us blue point are probably 30 and my channel lock brand set I do not know how old.but the matco rust up so bad i have to soak in evaporust and then use marvel mystery oil on them.so their finish is matte black now while my others are still nice except for handles being nicked up here and there.dont know the coo on the matco i think its euro.i do like my matco/witte screwdrivers which i think are euro.lets talk special job tools i have a few so called top notch foreign snap ring pliers taiwan. They do not compare to my snap on when it comes to a contrary snap ring or a small tedious job.sockets,i have mostly all us made but some high end taiwan if i have that one time and im talking industrial where a bolt is precisely fit and sized i know not to try the matco or any others that are foreign i go to my snap on impacts. That is if its that type of application.when im using allen wrenches asian wrenches of any kind are a no no i use us or European.drill bits made or seas are a joke.you will find that out.so are taps and dies.luckily i have greenfield,us matco h s s Norse craftsman us and many other old us brands i have had for years.thay last and last.so its all found out from listening to other experienced fellas older than myself yes they were patriotic as well.and i have learned over 35 years that us made tools and products are of a higher quality and standard whether it be tools parts bearings especially any steel product e.g. tools batteries shoes if you can find them.when i said id jammed up a couple ratchet wrenches both g r and blue point i didn't warranty any time i took the b p apparent and fixed and wacked the g rs on a vise or something because the sears i bought those at went out and i dont see snap on at home now.so if i was starting all over as just a diy knowing what i know even though its a little harder to buy us made id use the internet and buy all us if i got in a pinch on a weekend sure i would go to advance auto and get a gear wrench or a taiwan made tool.but i would buy tools that i know i could hand down to my son and his son and know they are us made and they still work as good as the day they were made.and buying us tools isn't going to bring back a bunch of jobs here but it will help the ones that are still here.thats for the economist specialist on here!
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I refuse to buy products made by slaves unless there is no alternative.

I take pride in spending a bit more so that my neighbors can have jobs. Someday it might be my kids job. Tommorow it could be someone buying something from a plant I'm working at. Greed has ruined the middle class.

Buying American ensures American jobs. It's extremely simple. If everyone did it, and boycotted brands once they were outsourced, we wouldn't be in the situation we're in.

Mark


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Personally, I buy American tools for the reasons given above. First and foremost I have had many good experiences not only with the quality of the tools but also the quality of support given by American manufacturers. Secondly, I try to support American workers and our economy as many foreigners support their own local workforce and economies, mainly bc I am part of that same workforce and am not ignorant of what keeps our country rolling.

I also agree with this, however the UK made tools are now either junk or hard to obtain. King **** make good tools but they are hard to obtain. Snap on come to my door. I will go out of my way though to not buy Chinese or Taiwan junk. I am more than willing to pay twice as much if it is made in the USA. I consider certain countries to be enemy's of the UK/USA and I will not buy anything made there regardless of the price.
 

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True. Many fast food workers and waitresses have college degrees.

I know because I worked with them. The local tech schools made hundreds of future restaurant management folks and possible cop types.

Overeducated and inflated ideals of what they could be.
The should have taught them how to open a restaurant or other small biz and manage that, creating jobs for others instead of hunting for them.
 

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"the uneducated factory worker is going to be as obsolete as a dinosaur."

this might be true, but he's still going to need a job. see the problem here?

Not really. Each person needs to make themselves marketable/valuable for someone to pay them money in return for a service. Its not anyone else's responsibility to provide for you, assuming you are an able bodied adult.

If Joe the lineworker at the widget plant has no other skill than hitting a button every 4 seconds to operate a machine, he needs to learn a trade or skill that he can use to get a job. I dont need to buy overpriced widgets in order for Joe to keep his job.
 

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Quality, Quality, Quality, being the main reason, for myself, again we've all been down that there road of you get what you pay for, but saying that, there is some good quality China and Taiwan made tools & equipment on the market, but on the other hand, there is some rubbish stuff as well.

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As manufacturing has left America and the newer generations are not in a position where they need to constantly fix things (either because economically its makes better sense to replace, or things have become more reliable) Joe Homeowner, 90% of the U.S., does not value tools the way past generations did.

Today, that imported tool set will do the job just fine for most people for the little use it will get. Here on GJ, most of the members are in the minority of Americans that value quality over price. "Dinosaurs"? Maybe....

Sears Craftsman used to be a great alternative for those that were seeking good quality hand tools with easy access, great warranty, and good value. Sadly that is no longer the case (discussed ad nauseam around here) as Sears has joined the "cheap made in China" camp.

Manufacturing has been going down the toilet in America for decades, many reasons why, and those reasons are also discussed here on GJ threads ad nauseam.

So, IMO, "everyone" is not obsessed with U.S.A. tools, but I'd venture to bet that the majority GJ members are.

It is what it is, and even if manufacturing returns full force to the U.S., the jobs wont. Technology and automation will see to that. So I think it's a bit of whistling past the graveyard to keep thumping the old union call of "buy American!" It may make us feel better but I doubt it will solve the larger problem of jobs.

I for one value good quality tools, and I own Craftsman USA, Snap-On, SK...But I also own German, Japanese, and Taiwan (gasp!) tools. I still perceive some USA manufactured tools as "the best" but "obsessed"? No.

BTW, I also get a kick out of those GJ members that thump the USA! USA! USA! table then post about how the made in USA tools are soooo expensive. Cant have your cake and eat it too...
 
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The truth is you get what you pay for, no matter where it's made.

It's a double edged sword if you ask me. You can either bring major manufacturing back to the states, or keep all that pollution somewhere else. You can't have both. While I do like to see "made in the USA" on things - I don't wanna see my family walk around like THIS either while they are working in Manhattan.

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The local tech schools made hundreds of future restaurant management folks and possible cop types.

Rent-a-cop not real officers (except maybe in big cities).

While not a requirement, almost all new hires in suburban police forces have a 4 year degree.
 

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Sears Craftsman used to be a great alternative for those that were seeking good quality hand tools with easy access, great warranty, and good value. Sadly that is no longer the case (discussed ad nauseam around here) as Sears has joined the "cheap made in China" camp.

The real issue is Craftsman hand tools are on par with HF but sold for a lot more !

So, IMO, "everyone" is not obsessed with U.S.A. tools, but I'd venture to bet that the majority GJ members are.

I buy what I need and can afford. Luckily, most of my Craftsman hand tools are 40-50 years old ! :thumbup:

If you want the Snap-On logo, buy used.
 

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If Joe the lineworker at the widget plant has no other skill than hitting a button every 4 seconds to operate a machine, he needs to learn a trade or skill that he can use to get a job. I dont need to buy overpriced widgets in order for Joe to keep his job.

Would you rather pay more taxes for him to sit at home and collect a check? Or pay a little more for a quality tool and keep him working?
 

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I would be surprised if your neighbor wants a job making screwdrivers. American companies have been working hard for decades to maximize profits at the expense of everything else, including employees. They cut benefits, pensions, vacation days, and pay. Unskilled jobs are not a good way to make a living in America. You end up struggling to pay bills, and the next trip to the ER forces you into bankruptcy (medical costs are the leading cause of bankruptcies in the US). Take a look at the video tours online of USA made tools. Most processes appear to be automated. Like it or not, we're in a global economy now, and we simply can't compete with the way we did in the 50s. As someone else pointed out, paying more for a tool made in the US simple means less dollars spent on other American goods and services. The reason people are struggling isn't unemployment, it's underemployment. They simply can't make enough money at a job these days to be able to pay the bills. Adding more lowest-paying unskilled labor jobs is not the answer. Preparing Americans for higher skill jobs that pay fairly is. Well, another alternative would be going the Bernie Sanders route of forcing companies to "play fair" but no one is ready for that yet. ;)

The majority of money earned in the US comes to America through products made overseas. There are bigger profit margins, and thus more money earned. That part is simple. So if you want to "support America," the new reality is that you need to keep buying cheap and disposable Chinese **** over and over again. Sustainable? Hell no. But "buying American" simple doesn't work the same way in our current economic environment.

I applaud people who are willing to sacrifice a bit more to do make it better for others, but the best way to do that isn't to overpay for American made goods. Any economist will tell you that it doesn't work. It may make you FEEL better, but it isn't doing anyone any good except for the CEO pulling in million dollar bonuses on the backs of his employees and customers.

The Buy American laudits are primarily politicians who say it to get elected because it makes people feel good and vote for them. But there's a reason why when they get into office they stop pushing for it--it's bad for the economy.

If you want to buy Channellock because you think they make a better tool that's worth the money then good for you. If you're doing it only because there's an American flag in the package than you're unfortunately making a mistake because it's doing the opposite of what you're trying to accomplish.
 
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To the OP, there really isn't any good or logical reason as to why so many people on here seem to think that the only good tool is made in the USA, and it's junk if it's not made here.

There are plenty of good quality tools made in other countries for the pro-usa stuff to be mostly bupkiss.

All you have to remember is that if you pay for junk, then you're going to get junk, no matter where it's made. If you pay for quality, then you're going to get quality, no matter where it's made.


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I'd also have to partially agree with Gautama...
The Times have Changed.... We need to adjust our thinking or be left behind...

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Gautama said:
"...the new reality is that you need to keep buying cheap and disposable Chinese **** over and over again. Sustainable? Hell no."

^ excellent point. our current economy is based on American consumers buying more and more and more and more cheap junk, and then buying more cheap junk to replace the cheap junk they bought last year.
and no, it is not sustainable.

so you can do your part to "support the economy" and buy more cheap junk, or you can get off the merry-go-round and buy something that will hold up over time. it will cost more, but you might not have to go buy another one next year.

most of my 1/4" drive sockets are now 45 years old:

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... but feel free to buy what you like. :thumbup:
 
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I would be surprised if your neighbor wants a job making screwdrivers. American companies have been working hard for decades to maximize profits at the expense of everything else, including employees. They cut benefits, pensions, vacation days, and pay. Unskilled jobs are not a good way to make a living in America. You end up struggling to pay bills, and the next trip to the ER forces you into bankruptcy (medical costs are the leading cause of bankruptcies in the US). Take a look at the video tours online of USA made tools. Most processes appear to be automated. Like it or not, we're in a global economy now, and we simply can't compete with the way we did in the 50s. As someone else pointed out, paying more for a tool made in the US simple means less dollars spent on other American goods and services. The reason people are struggling isn't unemployment, it's underemployment. They simply can't make enough money at a job these days to be able to pay the bills. Adding more lowest-paying unskilled labor jobs is not the answer. Preparing Americans for higher skill jobs that pay fairly is. Well, another alternative would be going the Bernie Sanders route of forcing companies to "play fair" but no one is ready for that yet. ;)

The majority of money earned in the US comes to America through products made overseas. There are bigger profit margins, and thus more money earned. That part is simple. So if you want to "support America," the new reality is that you need to keep buying cheap and disposable Chinese **** over and over again. Sustainable? Hell no. But "buying American" simple doesn't work the same way in our current economic environment.

I applaud people who are willing to sacrifice a bit more to do make it better for others, but the best way to do that isn't to overpay for American made goods. Any economist will tell you that it doesn't work. It may make you FEEL better, but it isn't doing anyone any good except for the CEO pulling in million dollar bonuses on the backs of his employees and customers.

The Buy American laudits are primarily politicians who say it to get elected because it makes people feel good and vote for them. But there's a reason why when they get into office they stop pushing for it--it's bad for the economy.

If you want to buy Channellock because you think they make a better tool that's worth the money then good for you. If you're doing it only because there's an American flag in the package than you're unfortunately making a mistake because it's doing the opposite of what you're trying to accomplish.

How dare you bring something like truth and logic in here.. The snap on guys will not be happy.. Not sure how paying $20 per socket expands jobs more than it expands the income of the top 5 people running the company, but it seems to make people feel better.. Even some of the American made stuff does not live up to what people wished they would (enter channellock).

If I were being 100% honest, I think some people just use it as an excuse to justify expensive tools, or use it as a way to say "mine is better than yours, so I'm better than you". Like it or not, ego does play a part in what people buy sometimes. And that's fine, it's their money to spend. I've seen on more than a few occasions the same people wish doom on "their fellow American worker" if God forbid the other guy makes more money or gets more benefits than then do. I'm obviously not speaking about everyone, or the majority, but there are quite a few "American jobs" pretenders lurking the halls in here.
 
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Why are people obsessed with starting these useless threads?:headscrat

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I don't find these useless. I love tools and can talk about them all day. I see a bunch of posts saying "made in Taiwan won't buy that trash" when they haven't tried them.

Also this is a forum where we talk tools, and that's what we're doing.
 

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Of course there will always be bad tools from any part of the world. But US tools have a legacy to them: built to last.

Old craftsman tools, snap on and Mac / SK whatever American hand tool/company -that's been labeled quality- is usually an investment for life.
Sure a HF ratchet might be much better compared to what it was. But you really think it'll outlive an American ratchet? No it will not.

I don't personally think it's a crime to use HF/new craftsman/husky stuff if you're a casual wrencher/ entering a workfield that requires tools. But I really don't think you can make a living off of nothing but harbor freight tools whereas with American hand tools many have seen and/or lived off of em.

I think it's just a clash between the new "well I can get it warrantied every so often" guys over the "tools are an investment for life" guys.

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But I really don't think you can make a living off of nothing but harbor freight tools whereas with American hand tools many have seen and/or lived off of em.

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Sry, but I call ******** its been done on this forum already...:lol_hitti
Ask. MechanicNamedJohn or just read this
http://www.garagejournal.com/forum/showthread.php?t=67850

All kidding aside I agree it's the Mechanic the matters not origin or quality of his tools...
Although it might make you more productive to buy better quality.
 
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Sry, but I call ******** its been done on this forum already...:lol_hitti
Ask. MechanicNamedJohn or just read this
http://www.garagejournal.com/forum/showthread.php?t=67850

All kidding aside it's the Mechanic the matters not origin or quality of his tools...
Although it might make you more productive to buy better quality. its not the end of the world either...

Glad to see he's still using them.

Oh wait, he's upgraded to Mac tools now. Wonder why that is?

And the quality of the person doing the work matters more then the tools, withoput question. But if you think I'm going to pay top dollar labor rates as you use **** tools, you are sadly mistaken. Invest in your career and I'll invest in your labor.
 

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^^^^I know he upgraded, but its just proves that it can be done...
and your second point completely contradicts itself you said and I agree with pt1...

"the quality of the person doing the work matters more then the tools, without question."

But Then you judge them by the tools they use and not the skills they have...
sounds like a double standard to me?????

"But if you think I'm going to pay top dollar labor rates as you use **** tools, you are sadly mistaken. Invest in your career and I'll invest in your labor."

Am I missing something????
 
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I don't find these useless. I love tools and can talk about them all day. I see a bunch of posts saying "made in Taiwan won't buy that trash" when they haven't tried them.

Also this is a forum where we talk tools, and that's what we're doing.

You're not really talking about tools but asking a rhetorical question about an alleged "obsession" with tools made in the USA. And these threads end up serving no purpose.

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Reminder to self - go into my local indy when dropping of the car for service to double check the brand of his tools before he starts work. If he owns US made tools, congratulate him and call my US based colleagues to tell them their jobs are safe.

Typed from my foreign made computer that was procured in Canada from a US based company (just like mine).

Why the sarcasm? I put dollars into the Canadian economy, the US economy and foreign economies every day either personally or in my business transactions. That includes providing jobs for people in Canada, the US, India, Vietnam, Poland, Germany, UK......

Why the blah blah when I thought I was going to stay out of this debate? I have no need for expensive tools, so I buy what I can afford for the small tasks I need them for. None of the arguments about building the economy by buying US (or Canadian) made tools holds water with me beyond as I can do more for the economy in others ways.

Example: I but a fair amount of Mastercraft tools from Canadian Tire. The mother company has divisions that are clients of my mother company (different division). So, in fact I buy and sell to a Canadian company through the transaction of procuring a foreign made product. My head is swimming.

That said, nothing would give me more pleasure than to replace my cheapo toolbox with a nice Beach set (made in Canada). They have gone under...possibly from too many folks like me buying competitors products.

I'm torn.....and you guys tossing arguments for both sides into GJ threads make me more torn. So much so that I think I will sell some Next Generation IT services so I can augment my staff and boost the economy in multiple companies...then keep looking on Kijiji for Beach toolbox combo (even though I want a NIB one).

I'll go back to my mojito now. I'll be more coherent soon :)
 

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Glad to see he's still using them.

Oh wait, he's upgraded to Mac tools now. Wonder why that is?

And the quality of the person doing the work matters more then the tools, withoput question. But if you think I'm going to pay top dollar labor rates as you use **** tools, you are sadly mistaken. Invest in your career and I'll invest in your labor.

If you watched his videos, he's said that he upgraded to improve the image of his shop once he started growing, not because they didn't work. I imagine he also did because he wanted to. But his investment allowed him to start working, debt free, and have enough tools to do everything he needed.. This is why I suggest students by craftsman or gearwrench instead of taking out loans to buy snap on instead. You can always upgrade later when you Are MAKING money instead of borrowing it.

My most hated posts on this forum - is when a guy joins and says "I just bought a house, and I want to put a basic tool kit together - what brand should I get?" - and then the guy that's never owned tools before in his life, suddenly gets 5 people telling him to buy snap on cause everything else will break or ruin his projects.
 
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Sry, but I call ******** its been done on this forum already...:lol_hitti
Ask. MechanicNamedJohn or just read this
http://www.garagejournal.com/forum/showthread.php?t=67850

All kidding aside I agree it's the Mechanic the matters not origin or quality of his tools...
Although it might make you more productive to buy better quality.

^^^^I know he upgraded, but its just proves that it can be done...
and your second point completely contradicts itself you said and I agree with pt1...



But Then you judge them by the tools they use and not the skills they have...
sounds like a double standard to me?????



Am I missing something????

If you watched his videos, he's said that he upgraded to improve the image of his shop once he started growing, not because they didn't work. I imagine he also did because he wanted to. But his investment allowed him to start working, debt free, and have enough tools to do everything he needed.. This is why I suggest students by craftsman or gearwrench instead of taking out loans to buy snap on instead. You can always upgrade later when you Are MAKING money instead of borrowing it.

My most hated posts on this forum - is when a guy joins and says "I just bought a house, and I want to put a basic tool kit together - what brand should I get?" - and then the guy that's never owned tools before in his life, suddenly gets 5 people telling him to buy snap on cause everything else will break or ruin his projects.


In all honesty as a professional technician buying harbor freight causes more issues then it solves. If you are doing basic stuff like you do for the first 2 years it will work not great but, it will work. Once you get into anything complex you will start to round fasteners especially if other technicians have been there before you.

I own 5 harbor freight tools that I trust 2 pairs of oil filter wrenches, a cen tech IR temp gun, parking brake caliper set and magnetic trays after i have re rtv'd them together. I have owned many other tools by them and they all do not last and all caused damage to what i was doing when used even though being used correctly. I lost a magnet off of one of their magnetic pickup tools in the valve train of a maxxforce 13 and that was the last straw. Took 3 hours to find it and if I hadn't I would have trashed the engine.

Matco is starting to head down hill bad as well.

Yes you have to have a good head on your shoulders to be a tech and an even better one to use **** tools when you start out but, in the end they cost you more then the cost of good ones.

Simple example we have a tech that has only been doing minor stuff for 2 years talked himself up to the boss' started pulling a turbo and intake on an E van. Rounded bolt after bolt and kept blaming it the bolts. It ain't the bolts, it ain't the tech, its the harbor freight tools he is using. He now realizes how much of an investment he has to make in tools and he has been upset ever since. I handed him my precision torque and 6s sockets and he finished the job after having to use 15-20 new fasteners when going back together.

I could care less what anyone believes being a technician for over 5 yrs now if you are doing this to put food on the table you need quality if you are doing it to save a few buck at home gearwrench wrenches, sunex sockets, gp sockets, craftsman (usa made) screwdrivers, hammers, and professional ratchets will do.

Only reason I even comment on this stuff is to keep new techs from wasting money and being inn a bad spot.
 
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It's funny. I was watching that show "Fantom works" on tv for a few hours today, and all I kept noticing was all the HF tools, equipment, and craftsman ratchets..
 

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How dare you bring something like truth and logic in here.. The snap on guys will not be happy...

If I were being 100% honest, I think some people just use it as an excuse to justify expensive tools, or use it as a way to say "mine is better than yours, so I'm better than you".

:beer:

Not sure why, but I figured you would disagree with his post, Im glad you see it his way.
 

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Why is everyone obsessed with U.S.A Tools?
obsessed???????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????


No question; there is a market for cheap import tools.

So on the flip side: Why is everyone obsessed with cheap foreign tools?

:lol::lol::lol::lol::lol::lol::lol::lol::lol::lol::lol::lol::lol::lol::lol::lol::lol::lol::lol:


Buy what You want for whatever reason you come up with.

For some: the cheap stuff does the job.

For others: better stuff is desired..

May not be too hard to understand, however :lol_hitti
 

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Simple example we have a tech that has only been doing minor stuff for 2 years talked himself up to the boss' started pulling a turbo and intake on an E van. Rounded bolt after bolt and kept blaming it the bolts. It ain't the bolts, it ain't the tech, its the harbor freight tools he is using.

I dont disagree with much of what you said, but if a 'technician' is rounding off bolt after bolt, something is wrong and its not the bolts or the sockets (unless you consider using an SAE socket on a metric fastener the socket's fault). I will admit, Im not a professional but I do ALOT of DIY auto tech stuff for myself, friends, family, and neighbors and I have never rounded off a bolt that wasnt my fault (using the wrong socket or coming at a poor angle).
 

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In all honesty as a professional technician buying harbor freight causes more issues then it solves. If you are doing basic stuff like you do for the first 2 years it will work not great but, it will work. Once you get into anything complex you will start to round fasteners especially if other technicians have been there before you.

I own 5 harbor freight tools that I trust 2 pairs of oil filter wrenches, a cen tech IR temp gun, parking brake caliper set and magnetic trays after i have re rtv'd them together. I have owned many other tools by them and they all do not last and all caused damage to what i was doing when used even though being used correctly. I lost a magnet off of one of their magnetic pickup tools in the valve train of a maxxforce 13 and that was the last straw. Took 3 hours to find it and if I hadn't I would have trashed the engine.

Matco is starting to head down hill bad as well.

Yes you have to have a good head on your shoulders to be a tech and an even better one to use **** tools when you start out but, in the end they cost you more then the cost of good ones.

Simple example we have a tech that has only been doing minor stuff for 2 years talked himself up to the boss' started pulling a turbo and intake on an E van. Rounded bolt after bolt and kept blaming it the bolts. It ain't the bolts, it ain't the tech, its the harbor freight tools he is using. He now realizes how much of an investment he has to make in tools and he has been upset ever since. I handed him my precision torque and 6s sockets and he finished the job after having to use 15-20 new fasteners when going back together.

I could care less what anyone believes being a technician for over 5 yrs now if you are doing this to put food on the table you need quality if you are doing it to save a few buck at home gearwrench wrenches, sunex sockets, gp sockets, craftsman (usa made) screwdrivers, hammers, and professional ratchets will do.

Only reason I even comment on this stuff is to keep new techs from wasting money and being inn a bad spot.

Hers a better question, how much does your "2yr tech" make? Then explain to me how it makes sense he buy the most expensive tools available? If he can't use HF sockets, which MANY people in here do without issues, what leads you to believe the s/o sockets will solve his problem? You can't buy experience- no matter how much you spend.
 

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^^^^I know he upgraded, but its just proves that it can be done...
and your second point completely contradicts itself you said and I agree with pt1...



But Then you judge them by the tools they use and not the skills they have...
sounds like a double standard to me?????



Am I missing something????

1st Point - I can give an idiot the best tools in the world, the best diag equipment, and he won't be able to fix the car. Thats where the experience comes in. Could an experienced tech fix it with **** tools? Most likely he could.

2nd Point - If you have been doing this for a while, and consider yourself a technician, and use the absolute cheapest tools possible I am not paying you more then someone who has invested in themselves. It speaks to the level of pride you take in your work.

Sorry, not playing in the race to the bottom.
 

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I make a living with my tools (from snappy to HF and all the in between ) and if a pro can't make a solid living in today's day with the brands you yourself listed then they are the problem not the TOOLS...

I could care less what anyone believes being a technician for over 5 yrs now if you are doing this to put food on the table you need quality if you are doing it to save a few buck at home gearwrench wrenches, sunex sockets, gp sockets, craftsman (usa made) screwdrivers, hammers, and professional ratchets will do.

Only reason I even comment on this stuff is to keep new techs from wasting money and being inn a bad spot.

6 point sockets don't round bolts dumb mechanics with 12pt HF wrenches and sockets do,
but hey you cant fix stupid.... Right?

Ironically your the type who buys a $1 mag pickup tool to save $5 bucks vs buying the real ullman tool (same as craftsman, bluepoint....) one and then complains when it cost you 3 hrs...
Who's fault is that?
 
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