New 24'x24' Bungalow Woodshop/Autoshop in California

[drivesitfar]

Nitro: as much as i like your garage and your house remodel i bet you might be spending more of your money filling up the shop with all the quality stuff you've been buying. any idea how much all that shop GOODNESS is costing you because as of now the only thing i've seen not brand new is the old doors you are using for bench tops and I think you said you are having stainless top made or you are making them.

VERY WELL DONE and nice to see all the details of your build and how you are putting your shop together.

I might have put some brighter lighting under the cabinets, but then i'm 30+ years older than you are if i recall correctly and i need more light to see even with my reader glasses on, but you can always change that later if you want or need to.

 

[toronto99]

Nitro, love the build, can you tell me there you got the levelling feet inserts for the work bench with the HF tool cabinets?

 

[Jim_No_Garage]

The only thing that I disagree with on your ENTIRE build was you leaving the rubber US General mats on the top of your tool cabinets. The mat on my cabinet smelled so bad it left the garage 5 minutes after it arrived!

This entire thread has left me in awe of your attention to details and planning skills.

I do want to see a video of you bringing the M3 in, around and back out of the driveway. It looks REALLY tight in pictures past the chimney but I can't visualize how tight the turn around court is.

Keep us updated on the continued progress .

Cheers

Jim

 

[Jackie Treehorn]

Excellent build! Jealous I am.

 

[nitro3421]

Nitro: as much as i like your garage and your house remodel i bet you might be spending more of your money filling up the shop with all the quality stuff you've been buying. any idea how much all that shop GOODNESS is costing you because as of now the only thing i've seen not brand new is the old doors you are using for bench tops and I think you said you are having stainless top made or you are making them.

VERY WELL DONE and nice to see all the details of your build and how you are putting your shop together.

I might have put some brighter lighting under the cabinets, but then i'm 30+ years older than you are if i recall correctly and i need more light to see even with my reader glasses on, but you can always change that later if you want or need to.

Thanks. I'm definitely going to improve the under cabinet lights - not quite up to part and very cheaply made. The adhesive is already failing after a week. Luckily the strips themselves were less than $30 total. Everything came in on budget - but keep in mind, I'm in the trades, so my cost is significantly less than it would be for someone hiring a contractor to do all/parts of the work.

 

[nitro3421]

Nitro, love the build, can you tell me there you got the levelling feet inserts for the work bench with the HF tool cabinets?

Got everything here: http://www.jwwinco.com/

Total cost shipped was around $100 for 20 inserts/feet

I had to grind down the plastic inserts a bit as I used an odd wall thickness (90/1000) but that just took a few minutes on a belt sander.

http://www.jwwinco.com/products/section7/en448s/

http://www.jwwinco.com/products/section7/sn974/

 

[nitro3421]

The only thing that I disagree with on your ENTIRE build was you leaving the rubber US General mats on the top of your tool cabinets. The mat on my cabinet smelled so bad it left the garage 5 minutes after it arrived!

This entire thread has left me in awe of your attention to details and planning skills.

I do want to see a video of you bringing the M3 in, around and back out of the driveway. It looks REALLY tight in pictures past the chimney but I can't visualize how tight the turn around court is.

Keep us updated on the continued progress .

Cheers

Jim

Ah - that's the source of the smell. It's terrible but went away after a few days. I thought it was the drawer inserts, which I wasn't willing to part with...

The M3 fit is nothing... try getting a 3/4 ton truck past there on a daily basis. There's about 4" to spare on either side of the folded in mirrors.

 

[Trey T]

How much did it cost you to build the entire workbench w/ the cabinets and all?

 

[nitro3421]

Moving forward with the benchtop dust port for sweeping debris into. I'm going to rig up a port out of some duct boots and cut out a plywood insert with a gasket behind and cabinet pull for easy use. More pics to come later.

 

[djcslice]

Moving forward with the benchtop dust port for sweeping debris into. I'm going to rig up a port out of some duct boots and cut out a plywood insert with a gasket behind and cabinet pull for easy use. More pics to come later.

Awesome idea!

AMAZING BUILD!

 

[nitro3421]

How much did it cost you to build the entire workbench w/ the cabinets and all?

Tube steel, cut to length: $490
Welding wire: $15
Spray paint: $20
Tube inserts/fee: $115
5 HF boxes: $1995
Plywood for doors/shelves: $91
Sheet metal top: TBD but around $600
Total: $3326

Upper cabinets (NewAge Products): $1321 shipped

 

[rmalkow2]

Awesome garage design and build Nitro.

 

[Denwood]

That dust setup hiding behind your benches will be pretty awesome some ideas here keeping things compact...may help depending on what you're planning to use for DC: http://www.garagejournal.com/forum/showpost.php?p=5709057&postcount=1034

 

[nitro3421]

That dust setup hiding behind your benches will be pretty awesome some ideas here keeping things compact...may help depending on what you're planning to use for DC: http://www.garagejournal.com/forum/showpost.php?p=5709057&postcount=1034

Awesome ideas there! Once I move most of my tools in and determine somewhat of a final layout, I'll circle back around to this. In the meantime, I did some ducting behind the HF cabinets. See below.

 

[nitro3421]

Here's the bench top dust port - I made a removable cover so I can keep unwanted items from falling in and improve the suction on the floor sweep since they're on the same hose.









I also added a floor sweep in the toe kick space of the side cabinets:

 

[shortykorte]

Great idea on the duct work. Looking good!!!

 

[camarosrus69]

The vacuum doohickey looks a neat idea. However, I do have some questions/observations. I don't know what you're using for the power source, so I don't know the cfm of the system. Also, I don't know if this is some kind of kit or you are winging it. That being said, it seems like the flexible duct you have running along the back of the bench would be susceptible to damage, and consequently leakage, from sharp objects sucked thru, such as nails, screws, shards of metal, and other nasty bits of garbage. I know that larger tubes pose less of a restriction, but air velocity is important to keep everything moving thru the tube, and not piling up at some bend or low spot. Just eyeballing your pictures, it seems that the flex duct is larger than the floor sweep flange. Wouldn't a run of PVC tubing provide a smoother more durable duct? They make PVC electrical conduit that has nice bend radii.

 

[Gentle_Ben]

Wow, and I thought I had good attention to detail!

Very nice build, really enjoyed your thread, especially how you finished the exterior of the garage with the copper accents, and your use of concrete and brick.

 

[Denwood]

Floor sweep...that's something I need to patch in. Come to think of it, we need one in our kitchen..ha.

The side cabinets attached to the tool chests look about perfect there.

 

[Dan_RN]

The dust collection and floor sweep is a great idea. Another blog I follow used the corrugated flexible tube for their dust collection system, although they said hindsight being 20/20; they should of used hard duct work because the turbulence created from the flexible pipe really cut down on the amount of suction. Just food for thought. Love the build!

 

[Trey T]

Tube steel, cut to length: $490
Welding wire: $15
Spray paint: $20
Tube inserts/fee: $115
5 HF boxes: $1995
Plywood for doors/shelves: $91
Sheet metal top: TBD but around $600
Total: $3326

Upper cabinets (NewAge Products): $1321 shipped

awesome workbench man

 

[Bigplansno$$]

Incredible build. Subscribed. Awesome M3 too. Great job so far! Keep posting!

 

[hughfree]

Really love your build....absolutely beautiful work.

One word of caution on your dust collection system. Not sure what you are planning on using the system for but if you are looking to collect heavier particulate (ie wood shavings, metal grinding, etc.) you need to maintain high velocities to capture and hold in the air stream (usually in the range of 4500 to 4000 feet per minute). If that is 4" ductwork you are talking about approximately 350 CFM. To maintain that volume through flexible ductwork you will need to develop a high suction pressure (probably 3 to 4" WG). That ductwork looks to be flexible duct intended for HVAC applications and will collapse under the pressure necessary to produce the capture velocities need to carry this type of particulate. Also, the ductwork material appears to be material that would not be suited for the abrasive nature of dust collection systems. They make flexible ductwork specifically suited for this purpose but it is significantly heavier and more expensive. PVC mains with short flexible duct runs (no more than 4') works best. One last suggestion, if you can configure your floor sweep duct connection on the side of your collection box rather than on top you will be much happier. Think about using your vacuum cleaner and trying to pick up something heavy, you have to put the hose directly on the item to capture it. Your capture velocity is reduced by the square of the distance from the item that you are trying to capture. This is one of the reason that you do not "**** out" birthday candles....you would burn your lips every time

Really a great idea and I love your creative thought process. I would just hate to see you having to go back and replace this stuff after you have have finished such a beautiful project.

 

[ttype976]

I still can't get over the amount of flake you put on the floor...looks awesome!!! Much better than random flakes depending on how much you had in your hand when you threw them in the air...

 

[On Edge]

What a beautiful garage. I love your attention to detail.

 

[polexican23]

Nitro, how far from the side wall did you put the right side lift box?

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[Lamby44pod]

I hate being jealous of anyone. But dang, when you see builds like this, its darn near impossible not to be!!

This is superb.

Hopefully one day I will be lucky enough to have something close to what I see on this website.

 

[Mr. Roboto]

I just read through your thread. Not sure how I missed your build, but it's fantastic. Love how well you matched the house with the garage. Your bench is coming together great as well, I can't wait to see it all wrapped up!

 

[machinemanjr]

Just curious, where are you to-date with construction costs. With the level of detail here, I'd image the number is double a laymen's guess.

I'd guess north of 75k.

 

[drivesitfar]

Nitro: i also like the floor sweep idea. any chance if you get a minute can you open the cabinet with the floor sweep in it and take a few pictures to show us how it looks installed? i tend to agree with others that PVC piping might work better for the collection, but maybe try not to put any big stuff in there and your design will probably work fine for years.

looking forward to seeing pictures of your stainless top getting installed on your old doors for your bench top.

WELL DONE!!

BTW did i miss the post where you had put the new engine back in your BMW or did you yet?

 

[nitro3421]

Sorry for all the late replies - been crazy busy (not garage related unfortunately) and will be busy next week too. Picked up the garage counters this morning - 14 gauge sheet metail, theyre HEAVY. I probably wont have time to install for at least another week.


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[nitro3421]

The vacuum doohickey looks a neat idea. However, I do have some questions/observations. I don't know what you're using for the power source, so I don't know the cfm of the system. Also, I don't know if this is some kind of kit or you are winging it. That being said, it seems like the flexible duct you have running along the back of the bench would be susceptible to damage, and consequently leakage, from sharp objects sucked thru, such as nails, screws, shards of metal, and other nasty bits of garbage. I know that larger tubes pose less of a restriction, but air velocity is important to keep everything moving thru the tube, and not piling up at some bend or low spot. Just eyeballing your pictures, it seems that the flex duct is larger than the floor sweep flange. Wouldn't a run of PVC tubing provide a smoother more durable duct? They make PVC electrical conduit that has nice bend radii.

This is definitely a "winging it" set up for sure. I've had similar setups in place for a long time with no issues. Given this is all for hobby and not rigorous daily industrial use, and the fact that I had this extra flex duct from an old project, I went with it. All the flex duct is sized correct for the 4" fittings so I should be good to go. Most imporarnt, I'm using all flex because I'm unsure of my final shop layout. This will allow me to change it easily and maybe down the road I'll swap a few longer sections out for SDR35 PVC.

 

[nitro3421]

Really love your build....absolutely beautiful work.

One word of caution on your dust collection system. Not sure what you are planning on using the system for but if you are looking to collect heavier particulate (ie wood shavings, metal grinding, etc.) you need to maintain high velocities to capture and hold in the air stream (usually in the range of 4500 to 4000 feet per minute). If that is 4" ductwork you are talking about approximately 350 CFM. To maintain that volume through flexible ductwork you will need to develop a high suction pressure (probably 3 to 4" WG). That ductwork looks to be flexible duct intended for HVAC applications and will collapse under the pressure necessary to produce the capture velocities need to carry this type of particulate. Also, the ductwork material appears to be material that would not be suited for the abrasive nature of dust collection systems. They make flexible ductwork specifically suited for this purpose but it is significantly heavier and more expensive. PVC mains with short flexible duct runs (no more than 4') works best. One last suggestion, if you can configure your floor sweep duct connection on the side of your collection box rather than on top you will be much happier. Think about using your vacuum cleaner and trying to pick up something heavy, you have to put the hose directly on the item to capture it. Your capture velocity is reduced by the square of the distance from the item that you are trying to capture. This is one of the reason that you do not "**** out" birthday candles....you would burn your lips every time

Really a great idea and I love your creative thought process. I would just hate to see you having to go back and replace this stuff after you have have finished such a beautiful project.

Luckily the ducting itself is specifically designed for dust collection systems in shops. It's surprisingly durable and doesnt collaps. I hear you on the velocity though, but it's going to see small amounts of dust in this section of duct work 90% of the time. It's fairly easy to swap out if it's a problem down the road.

 

[nitro3421]

Nitro, how far from the side wall did you put the right side lift box?

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~3'-9"

 

[nitro3421]

I just read through your thread. Not sure how I missed your build, but it's fantastic. Love how well you matched the house with the garage. Your bench is coming together great as well, I can't wait to see it all wrapped up!

Thanks for all the compliments, it's definitely turning out just the way I wanted it to. Hoping to have the interior pretty much dialed in by November or so.

 

[nitro3421]

Just curious, where are you to-date with construction costs. With the level of detail here, I'd image the number is double a laymen's guess.

I'd guess north of 75k.

You're right about that! I'll keep the exact costs to myself, but keep in mind construction costs around here are the highest in the nation... by a long shot, even with my ability to perform the work "at cost."

 

[nitro3421]

Nitro: i also like the floor sweep idea. any chance if you get a minute can you open the cabinet with the floor sweep in it and take a few pictures to show us how it looks installed? i tend to agree with others that PVC piping might work better for the collection, but maybe try not to put any big stuff in there and your design will probably work fine for years.

looking forward to seeing pictures of your stainless top getting installed on your old doors for your bench top.

WELL DONE!!

BTW did i miss the post where you had put the new engine back in your BMW or did you yet?

Will do, I'll snap a photo of it all finished out. That part of the cabinet will house all the sound equipment (amp, sonos, volume controls, etc. for the 8 indoor/outdoor speakers.

The M3 is back on the road. No fun driving it right now though, still in the break in period for the new factory motor. Can't go over 5k RPM for the first 1200 miles.

 

[wasfast]

A stunning execution in all regards.

The flex ducting is handy but as many have found out, the efficiency of air movement is really restricted by all the ribbing inside the duct. Guess you just buy more hp on the fan device

 

[Bigdukaaa]

your build is amazing, great work

 

[GarageSpider]

Just binge-read this. Love the craftsmanship from design to build. Inspiring.

Tip on the LEDs is to run 24V LEDs instead of 12V to reduce the current by half and tolerate voltage drops better. Otherwise, run home runs to LED driver for every so many feet. I like to run lots of it, high lumen, high CRI stuff. Not all LED is the same. Get the aluminum channel from Amazon to help with heat dissipation and mounting. Too bright? Well run it on a Magnitude dimmable LED driver/transformer.