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What is going on with S-K Tools?

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Problems with the Union, Protests at Sears?

Are their workers/union trying to kill the goose that lays the golden egg, or is the goose terminally ill and the employees feel they have nothing to lose?

Aren't they Employee owned? (From the breakaway with FACOM?)

Are they getting ready to go under?

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I hope not. While I agree they they got the shaft... they should still be glad they have jobs these days.
 

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just a quick run down of what i know. former facom employees bought sk. sk has come upon hard times as all have. sk's insurance company drops its health coverage for employees. sk has not found another company to pick up policy or can't afford new rates. union tells employees to go on strike. sk has big problem getting bigger. i do not know who is to blame or how to solve. that is it in a nutshell. rusty has a more complete story on the darkside in political or off topic.i do not remember wich.
 

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Damn, everytime I hear about this, it makes me sad. I love S-K tools. I hope this company doesn't go under . . .

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wasn't much of a fan to begin with. I think the union guys should look at the bigger picture. I also understand their situation and the company should have tried to be upfront.
 

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The Chinese would be more than happy to make SK tools over on their turf ... and they don't care about benefits either.
 

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the sad part is it's being caused by the rising cost of healthcare but ya'll will still blame the union instead of correctly identifying the issue.
 

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They are cutting their own throats..... good bye to another US made tool.

They've been cutting their own throats for years with their pricing structure. They charge list prices almost as high as Snap-on or MAC, yet everyone knows you can buy for 40% less on on the Internet. Why do you think retail outlets for their tools have dried up? They have invested a huge amount on a nice web site, but you have to be an idiot to pay those prices.

I would guess French ownership is NOT a good thing for any US company. The French, in general, do not seem to get the concept of operating a business in the US.
 

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If SK wasn't so bent on competing with the likes of GearWrench and others, they could charge a descent price for their tools and get the employees what they want.

But at the same time, the Germans have socialized healthcare and they still charge good money for their tools. :D
 

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If SK wasn't so bent on competing with the likes of GearWrench and others, they could charge a descent price for their tools and get the employees what they want.

Merk, you've really gotten to the root of the problem. For SK to be competitive, they need to improve their quality and increase their prices. In order for Americans to cost compete with Chinese labor, the standard of living there has to increase or the standard of living in this country has to decrease. Most likely both. I really wish I had the money to buy the whole company instead of just watching it all go down the tubes.
 

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krusty, i respectfully ask you. if sk has no health insurance. how are they going to get it when the company is out of business? no job or no insurance. i pick job. if the union wanted to help the employees they would say. get your a-- to work and make sure you have an employer when we figure out how to get you covered. trash the company and then think someone will buy from them later. that kind of thinking does irrreparable damage to the reputation of the company. will those same emplyees go back out and say buy sk if they get covered? no, they will have to be at work. those people have a right to be upset and should be, but they are putting the gun to their head and may as well pull the trigger. a bad reputation is almost impossible to overcome.
 

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The Chinese would be more than happy to make SK tools over on their turf ... and they don't care about benefits either.

I would be that there are plenty of people in america right now that would be more than willing to take on the job even w/ out the benefits. I'm sure it pays more than unemployment.
 

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sk.......i see both sides of the problem. my comment was an observation of the ROOT cause of the issue. people tend to place blame in the wrong places. i have no opinion of whether the strike is justified or not since i don't know all of the facts AND most importantly i'm not a member of either party involved.



edit: i tried to stop the union bashing in another sk/strike thread but it seems everyone (at least one) wants to do it........the union debate is nothing more than politics but since we want to rehash it over and over we should ask ourselves..............hellman's or miricle whip!
 
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The largest wholesale distributor to the mobile tool business recently quit handling SK tools as well. They are also not handing any of the SK warranties anymore.
 

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other than being a fan of their stuff i have no party to their problem either. i just see that rather than being a moderator to the problem the union is being an antagoniser and that is a most destructive position to take in this time in our economy. that whole mentality is hard to break. the flare nut wrench thread is a fine example. someone got scared to buy ans sk wrench set because thy may go out of business. how many wrenchs get warrentied anyway. i have maybe hundreds of wrenches and have had maybe none replaced. a couple broken cheapies but no good wrenches. most people other than us nutjobs only buy a set or two of standard and metric wrenches. they lose that sale and they probably never get it back. at many times in life you get one oppurtunity to make a good choice. if you screw it up you may never get back to that point again. i fear sk is at that point in their life again and someone has made a bad choice.
 
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i think ALL the parties (including the insurance compay) have made bad choices, not just one.

but sadly people are just blaming one (and it's based in thier political belief's).


I believe you are correct.

Another problem with companies like S-K is that they have virtually abandoned a certain nitch of the market. If you want to sell tools you need to make them easily available in stores. Some Sears stores used to have an okay selection of S-K tools. Tools like S-K, Proto, and New Britain used to be available in places like Western Auto, NAPA, and other good auto parts stores. No longer, and New Britain doesn't even exists anymore. People can say bad stuff about GearWrench all they want, but Gearwrench has done a good job of filling a void left by a lot of good tools companies who have abondoned the consumer. There are lots of passionate car enthusiasts who wrench on the side and would be more than happy to have a readily available supply of good quality tools, even if they have to pay a bit more for them.
 

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great point krusty. i am sure all parties have fault. i just don't think standing in front of sears helps their problem. the cure to making bad choices is to quit making them.just because everyone else does it does not make it right. i would sure like to help you drink some of those cheap light beers and talk about it some time if you weren't so darn far away.
 

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i think ALL the parties (including the insurance compay) have made bad choices, not just one.

but sadly people are just blaming one (and it's based in thier political belief's).

While it is likely that both the union and management share some responsibility for this issue...I guarantee that the insurer is NOT the culprit.

Health insurance costs are rising at a pretty alarming rate. The health insurance business is pretty much a "cost-plus" business, and profit margins are quite low for insurance companies, (national average LESS than 5%). The ONLY four reasons an insurer would cancel a client;
---Non-payment of premium
---Overall discontinuence of a particular product, or product line
---Inadequate participation (they must get the good with the bad)
---Poor claim experience (sometimes a carrier just can't charge enough to offset a sour claim situation)

It is simply a business decision, there is very little that an insurer will do if the situation is not right for them.

And in my experience, there's always another carrier that's willing to write the business as long as the participation issue is addressed.

But union vs. management negotiations on this topic can be uterly unrealistic at times...I've sat at these discussions enough to say it is a screwed up process.
 

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Not sure I get the sign they are holding up saying "Don't Buy SK Handtools sold at Sears"

At the Sears in MN I have seen one 1/4 SK ratchet and that's the only SK thing in the whole store. I thought Danaher made all of the Craftsman stuff. Do the employees not even know where the tools they make are sold or am I missing something?
 

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who added the political part in manny's quote of krusty? i assume manny as i did not see that krusty edited. noone else has mentioned political beleif. i am not being political or anti union. i am just stating imop that the union and the employees are pulling a stupid pr stunt that will not make insurance magicly appear. it's only benifit is to smear the company and damage it's reputation. not a very good way to prop up an ailing company in a fragile economy. again, my opinion.[sorry i mentioned you manny, i misread the quotes when i quickly checked in please accept my apology]
 
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While it is likely that both the union and management share some responsibility for this issue...I guarantee that the insurer is NOT the culprit.

Health insurance costs are rising at a pretty alarming rate. The health insurance business is pretty much a "cost-plus" business, and profit margins are quite low for insurance companies, (national average LESS than 5%). The ONLY four reasons an insurer would cancel a client;
---Non-payment of premium
---Overall discontinuence of a particular product, or product line
---Inadequate participation (they must get the good with the bad)
---Poor claim experience (sometimes a carrier just can't charge enough to offset a sour claim situation)

It is simply a business decision, there is very little that an insurer will do if the situation is not right for them.

And in my experience, there's always another carrier that's willing to write the business as long as the participation issue is addressed.

But union vs. management negotiations on this topic can be uterly unrealistic at times...I've sat at these discussions enough to say it is a screwed up process.

i guess i should have said the healthcare system as a whole.......
 

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great point krusty. i am sure all parties have fault. i just don't think standing in front of sears helps their problem. the cure to making bad choices is to quit making them.just because everyone else does it does not make it right. i would sure like to help you drink some of those cheap light beers and talk about it some time if you weren't so darn far away.

hahaha.......it's budweiser from now on :beer:
 

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Not sure I get the sign they are holding up saying "Don't Buy SK Handtools sold at Sears"

At the Sears in MN I have seen one 1/4 SK ratchet and that's the only SK thing in the whole store. I thought Danaher made all of the Craftsman stuff. Do the employees not even know where the tools they make are sold or am I missing something?

sk makes wobble extensions, crowsfeet, palm ratchet, line or flare wrenches and possibly others. they used to make the full polish combo wrenches before danaher. other items are at times available via catalog.
 

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sk makes wobble extensions, crowsfeet, palm ratchet, line or flare wrenches and possibly others. they used to make the full polish combo wrenches before danaher. other items are at times available via catalog.

Are these then re badged as Craftsman?

Thanks
 

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Why doesn't the union provide their own health insurance for their members? How much money in union dues are they collecting every month?
 

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Why doesn't the union provide their own health insurance for their members? How much money in union dues are they collecting every month?
i do not know but i often wonder what the union does anymore as i really do not know. i know they helped bring about many benificial labor laws that protect the worker , but osha and other agencies make sure those policies are kept up. i really do not know what they have to offer now. i have no idea but i would assume those union dues would go a long way towards helping sk pay to reestblish some type of healthcare. my wife pays part of the cost of our health plan at her job. i do not know why the could not do the same.
 

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A few large national distributors have dropped the SK line because inventory availablility became a big issue.
 

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Why doesn't the union provide their own health insurance for their members? How much money in union dues are they collecting every month?

i'm not sure how thier contact reads and all are different. but usually it is up to the employer to provide the insurance as part of the wage/benefit package that they agreed to pay. the union is not in the insurance business.
typically union dues are $25 per month but it depends on the local.


as far as the strike is concerned it's just a barganing chip to get the employer to hold up thier end. i'm sure that they tried to negotiate before resorting to a strike. no one really wins a strike and both parties know that.
 
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sk.......i see both sides of the problem. my comment was an observation of the ROOT cause of the issue. people tend to place blame in the wrong places. i have no opinion of whether the strike is justified or not since i don't know all of the facts AND most importantly i'm not a member of either party involved.



edit: i tried to stop the union bashing in another sk/strike thread but it seems everyone (at least one) wants to do it........the union debate is nothing more than politics but since we want to rehash it over and over we should ask ourselves..............hellman's or miricle whip!

I wasn't "bashing" anyone. My statement is what it is. BOTH sides are cutting their own throats. Compromise....how about we ALL work together to fix what is wrong and stop blaming the other party?

Look, I pay for my own health insurance. $18,700 a year as a matter of fact. Why? Because the company my wife works for doesn't offer it to "management". Now, right or wrong, we take care of ourselves and don't expect someone else to do it for us. Union or gooberment.

I 'm sure the management of S&K can find other options. Will the two come to a compromise? Who knows. I hope so, but with this crappy global economy, I doubt it will be in time. So, in the end, both sides will lose and they will ALL be out of work.
 

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i'm not sure how thier contact reads and all are different. but usually it is up to the employer to provide the insurance as part of the wage/benefit package that they agreed to pay. the union is not in the insurance business.
typically union dues are $25 per month but it depends on the local.


as far as the strike is concerned it's just a barganing chip to get the employer to hold up thier end. i'm sure that they tried to negotiate before resorting to a strike. no one really wins a strike and both parties know that.

Lol, My BLET union dues are $120 a month and my portion of the wage benefit package for healthcare is $140 a month, The company was putting out that it costs them $800 bucks a month for every agreement employee to cover there portion of the negotiated benefits. I dont want to get into a ******* match over who's fault it is but if these employees are working under a negotiated contract that provides them health insurance then the company needs to hold of there end of the bargain, Also for the guy who pays $18 grand a year for health care that is REDICULUS.... I have awesome Benefits, NO co-pay, Been to the doctor probably 15 times in the last 12 years and never paid a dime, scripts are 2 and 8 dollars respectively, Definitely some of the best insurance out there. Either you have 15 kids or sounds like you need to shop around. Would like to add im not a big fan of global healthcare for everyone, Where people get off thinking they are owed healthcare i dont know but with that said i think it should be affordable and $18k a year is far from affordable. My fiance is a architect and her father provides her insurance along with his wife and even there insurance is only like $250 a month for 3 adults and its not bad insurance.
 

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I wasn't "bashing" anyone. My statement is what it is. BOTH sides are cutting their own throats. Compromise....how about we ALL work together to fix what is wrong and stop blaming the other party?

This is true.. In a failing economy where people are not spending money on items such as tools, Automobiles etc there needs to be some give and take with both parties. Where the problem lies is generally, not always Labor will take the brunt of the cutbacks. These corporation will cry and moan about how bad the company is doing yet there will still be corporate bonuses, They will still show up to the meetings in there Leer jets etc. I have no compassion for a company who chooses not to provide contractural healthcare for its employees because of declining sales and wont cut from the top of the food chain. I mean seriously how many VP's do you need?
 

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it looks to me that the two owners hold the top four positions at sk according to their website. it does not seem too top heavy to me. do you have more info hiball or are you speculating? i honestly don't know other than what the sight shows.
 

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it looks to me that the two owners hold the top four positions at sk according to their website. it does not seem too top heavy to me. do you have more info hiball or are you speculating? i honestly don't know other than what the sight shows.

Im just speculating, It should be public knowledge if someone wanted to take the time to look it up. My top heavy comment doesnt just indite the company, Labor organizations are similar except there salary is paid by the union members via dues.
 
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