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Hey guys, long time lurker. So we're looking for our first house shortly and I've been on the hunt for months. I find it extremely hard to find a house with a shop or large garage using the major sites (RedFin, Zillow, Trulia, etc).

Sometimes I use RedFin's parking spot criteria, but I find it leaves a lot out that I discover later. I've noticed a lot of houses with 0.5 acre+ have shops, but it means sifting through all of them. Oh, and asking realtors makes them have this look on their face like I'm asking them for a house with a UFO in the backyard.

Question is, anyone have any decent techniques here? I'd love to hear them!
 
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Thee is a site called http://carproperty.com/ That specializes in listing homes with big garages.

Just looked, nothing in my area of the country, and most are in the millions. That would be awesome if they expanded their clientele though! If I had millions I'd just build the ultimate garage myself :-D

Update:
I was wrong, they just list the featured properties on the main link to houses for sale, if you click on advanced search you can get to all of the properties. Thanks!

Update #2:
If anyone uses the site be careful, they don't update the listings that often. Out of the few they had in my area they were all sold. And this was like back in April. So ya, sparse listings and very outdated, I think they do specialize in high end listings for the most part.
 
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Keep in mind they don't have everything. Gotta ask your local realtors too.
I remember interviewing a potential realtor to find me a house with a big garage and her answer was "Why would anyone want that??"
 
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Keep in mind they don't have everything. Gotta ask your local realtors.
I remember interviewing a potential realtor to find me a house with a big garage and her answer was "Why would anyone want that??"

Hah! Exactly, they keep sending over normal cookie-cutter HOA-ridden 3 car properties. I'll probably just keep searching for a competent realtor. I need to find a realtor that builds cars on the side :3gears:
 

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I believe the search term "detached garage" would be a start.
I think a competent realtor would be a huge asset. Sit down with your other half and make a list of requirements, then make a list of wants. Make that ahead of time, before the realtor can make comments to persuade you to look for something you dont want. Take them the list and say heres what it HAS to be. Call us when it meets the criteria and only then.
 

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The realtor that we used for our last house was great, he took the time to listen to what we wanted, hell he even made a list of our wants, one of which was at least a 26x30 detached garage, no HOA and a decent sized yard preferably fenced.

In the end we bought a house without a garage knowing that it we were only going to be there 10 years or so and I have my big shop at the lake place. We did get almost all of our other wants including the fenced yard.

Shop around and find a realtor who listens to what you want.

Oh wanted to add, he only showed us homes with a garage until I noticed his sign on the house we bought and asked him about it.
 

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A big mistake I made was limiting my price range. That house you might barely be able afford now might be your best investment. Assume your salary will increase and definitely seek out up-and-coming areas with good schools.

Had we upped our price limit a bit, we could have bought in an area where home values are soaring. Instead we bought in a less expensive but nice enough neighborhood, with stagnant home prices.
 

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Realtors work on comission, if they won't find you a home with the features you want, kick them to the curb.
 
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Those are great points, it looks like the key is to let them do the work and stop trying to do everything myself. I'll keep looking for a decent one for sure.

And good point on the price range, I've been artificially limiting my range just to be extremely comfortable. My income has increased every year and will continue, might be time to just bite the bullet and stretch a bit. Especially in this market.
 

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The only sure-fire way to not miss something is to look for half-acre properties and weed through them all. If your realtor has a decent web site that shows alot of info for mulitple properties it won't take as long as you think. You only have to do it once and then weeding through new listing won't take long each day.
What takes time is that once you see something promising you'll need to pull the deed records and check for onerous restrictions.
Our house has an HOA and it's really not a big burden. pretty cheap at $35/mo and we have two amenity centers with pools, playgrounds, tennis, and b-ball courts. The rules about architectural approval are reasonable IMO. Of course, not all HOA's are the same. Some are run by Hitler-youth standards and cost a fortune for nothing.
Just saying I wouldn't rule something out for that alone.
 

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We are very fortunate that our HOA focuses solely on maintaining the communal property and doesn't bother homeowners, as the way it should be.
 

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Any Realtor that is a member of the MLS (And almost all are), has access to all the listings, not just their own. Ask to look at that!

Another way is to look for unlisted properties, and not just FSBO's.

Find properties you like and find out who owns them and make offers.

A property doesn't have to be for sale, for you to buy it. You just have to find an owner willing to sell.

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realtor.com has a search filter where you can select 3+ car garage. I found that to be somewhat useful. Another way is to use google earth to find houses with detached garages in neighborhoods that you find acceptable. Then you can bounce those against sites like zillow or trulia.
 

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The only sure-fire way to not miss something is to look for half-acre properties and weed through them all. If your realtor has a decent web site that shows alot of info for mulitple properties it won't take as long as you think. You only have to do it once and then weeding through new listing won't take long each day...

We looked for about a year for what was the perfect place, but it took a lot of footwork on our part. I decided on the criteria we wanted both for our home (remember, you DO have to sleep at night!--lol--) and the shop.

We wanted something rural, 10+ miles from the nearest town, and 50+ from the nearest city. Had to have at least 2 acres, a good shop and storage space, wildlife, no HOA's and no nosy or buttinski neighbors. Some local history would be nice. And we both have a thing for natural wood.

When you find "that place", you will know it. You may have to whap your RE agent over the head (we almost fired ours) to get him to realize what you want. But you'll know. If it doesn't feel right - keep looking.
 
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Great suggestions, thanks! I'll open up the search to HOAs and check their requirements too, that does include quite a few more when I search.
 

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As others have said, patience is a key too.
Took us over a year to find the right fit for us.
You may also have to consider finding a house with suitable land to build the shop you want.
We've been in our new place about a year now and it had a 600sqft detached garage already which I added onto. The day the house hit the market we went to see it and had an offer in that night.
I used RedFin with a auto search for anything in my price range over 2 acres.
 
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As others have said, patience is a key too.
Took us over a year to find the right fit for us.
You may also have to consider finding a house with suitable land to build the shop you want.
We've been in our new place about a year now and it had a 600sqft detached garage already which I added onto. The day the house hit the market we went to see it and had an offer in that night.
I used RedFin with a auto search for anything in my price range over 2 acres.

I've kicked this idea around, and even gone as far as to get some quotes for some metal buildings. It looks like it would cost an insane amount of money to build versus buying with one pre-built. I'm getting very high quotes for stick buildings. I have a couple of quotes sitting out there for metal buildings too, just a little worried about total costs (foundation, permits, etc.). But ya, ideally it would be nice to just buy some land and put my own up to my specs.
 

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I'd look in the 1-5 acre range for starters. At least around here. Not sure about your area of the country. Outbuildings are very common at least in Michigan, due to snowy weather and people having gasoline-powered things that need to be kept out of the weather, plus workshop-type activities as well.
 
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I've been through this. Successfully. Here's what I did.

I was looking for a house that had either an already-standing workshop, an outbuilding, or enough space to build something in the back yard. My agent was kind of useless at this task, and wasn't finding the kind of properties we were interested in. To her credit, she was a good agent, and this is a fairly hard-to-find thing in our area. Also, the MLS listings largely don't do a good job at this. Utterly worthless, actually.

So I hunted down the listings myself. I got up every single morning and logged on to Redfin with my morning coffee, looking at all the listings that were vaguely in our price range (I was generous here) and vaguely where we wanted to be. I looked at everything. For each listing, the first thing I did, before looking at ANY details of the house, was to pull up the satellite view and check it from all angles. I got good at identifying where the back wall of the garage was, and whether there was anything (like a family room) in the way. I got good at reading rooflines, too.

Over the course of many months, I ended up finding a handful of properties with outbuildings or detached garages with space around them. One house (that we actually went into escrow on) had a 600 square foot in-law unit behind (and attached to) the detached garage. We had to drop out of that one (the sellers misrepresented a bunch of things).

I then found another house with a completely detached, permitted workshop in the back yard, 22x20. The MLS listing didn't mention it, didn't picture it, didn't hint at it AT ALL. If I hadn't been looking at satellite views, I would have never known it was there. The listing agent just completely blew it.

And now I own it.
 
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I've been through this. Successfully. Here's what I did.

I was looking for a house that had either an already-standing workshop, an outbuilding, or enough space to build something in the back yard. My agent was kind of useless at this task, and wasn't finding the kind of properties we were interested in. To her credit, she was a good agent, and this is a fairly hard-to-find thing in our area. Also, the MLS listings largely don't do a good job at this. Utterly worthless, actually.

So I hunted down the listings myself. I got up every single morning and logged on to Redfin with my morning coffee, looking at all the listings that were vaguely in our price range (I was generous here) and vaguely where we wanted to be. I looked at everything. For each listing, the first thing I did, before looking at ANY details of the house, was to pull up the satellite view and check it from all angles. I got good at identifying where the back wall of the garage was, and whether there was anything (like a family room) in the way. I got good at reading rooflines, too.

Over the course of many months, I ended up finding a handful of properties with outbuildings or detached garages with space around them. One house (that we actually went into escrow on) had a 600 square foot in-law unit behind (and attached to) the detached garage. We had to drop out of that one (the sellers misrepresented a bunch of things).

I then found another house with a completely detached, permitted workshop in the back yard, 22x20. The MLS listing didn't mention it, didn't picture it, didn't hint at it AT ALL. If I hadn't been looking at satellite views, I would have never known it was there. The listing agent just completely blew it.

And now I own it.

That's a really good idea to look at sat. views first. I always do it the other way and check out the ones I find after it looks like it has one in the pics. And that was my feeling so far, that a lot of them are being lost due to lack of info/pictures.

We've been to a few open houses where they didn't even show pics of a detached garage or list anything in the description. I mean, the kitchen/bathrooms sell the wife, and the garage the husband usually right? Doesn't take much effort to go snap some decent pics of the outside too. But I digress, maybe I'm expecting too much from that profession. ;)
 

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We've been to a few open houses where they didn't even show pics of a detached garage or list anything in the description. I mean, the kitchen/bathrooms sell the wife, and the garage the husband usually right? Doesn't take much effort to go snap some decent pics of the outside too.

Exactly. Given how much they stretch everything else, you'd think they'd want to add as many things as possible to attract buyers.

Good luck with your search. And be patient -- the right house will come along.
 
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Exactly. Given how much they stretch everything else, you'd think they'd want to add as many things as possible to attract buyers.

Good luck with your search. And be patient -- the right house will come along.

Here's 14 pictures of the bargain leftover granite they put in, 12 of some staged room, and 1 of a detached garage that's about 300ft away. Hah!
 

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A good realtor who knows the area and the inventory is extremely helpful but when I bought my NY house and again when I bought in NM I spent a lot of time just driving around looking at areas, neighborhoods and houses. Some time with google earth can cut down on that.
 

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As others have said, a realtor is your best choice. Take the time to interview realtors. Ask them if they have found special or unique properties in the past. Some realtors will show you homes that don't fit your needs to test your resolve. Many just want show you lot's of property and feel they are doing a great job for you. A good one is not found in every office so visit several offices.

Make it clear to them that you will not waste their time or yours looking at properties that do not fit your specific criteria.

If they find a property that almost fits your needs and could work make sure to at least make an offer contingent on a number of items. If you don't, the realtor will think you are not serious and will then not work very hard for you. If you change your mind you can walk away.
 
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Ok, a couple of you guys were dead on about upping the range a little. I just spent a while searching about $50-75k more than I was originally and found probably 5 more properties with giant shops!
 

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While you are interviewing new realtors, ask if they have properties with an "RV Garage" on their books.

That might get a better response than asking if they have a property equipped with what in their minds equates to a free standing man cave.

Another plus will be a large overhead door, and fairly high ceilings as the distinguishing factor of an "RV Garage" is the ability to park an RV inside.

Look for them in areas snowbirds live / lived (odd phenomenon, after enough trips, people tend to die, or move permanently :dunno: ).
 

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A big mistake I made was limiting my price range. That house you might barely be able afford now might be your best investment. Assume your salary will increase and definitely seek out up-and-coming areas with good schools.

Had we upped our price limit a bit, we could have bought in an area where home values are soaring. Instead we bought in a less expensive but nice enough neighborhood, with stagnant home prices.

This is why the 2008 bubble popped and people are still pushing this mentality?

Wife was from Menifee Ca which is near Temecula/Marrietta ca and everyone was pushing buying as much house as you can barely afford. Wife grandfather had 12 rental properties and saw it coming and sold all but one when it popped. Additions were half empty. People were stealing copper wire, pipe, and ac units from under three year houses. It was the most sickening thing on earth when we visited in 2010. I was laid off during that trip but because we only had bills the one of either my wife or my job would cover plus a good savings I was able to relax, get some things done around the property and even volunteered to do some work for my community.

On the other hand a lot of my coworkers had been buying as much house as they could afford when the going was good and they were getting 60+ hours had immediate problems when the overtime was halted let alone laid off. It had major financial ramifications for life as many had to raid their 401k to stay afloat and many ended up bankrupt or divorced due to money problems.

I say set a budget and stick to it.
 

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I feel the OP's pain! Trying to explain we wanted a shop to any realtor we encountered was difficult at best. They'd find things with a "2 car garage" and think it was perfect. Some of these 2 car garages might fit two SmartCars side-by-side, if you fold in the mirrors. Most realtors just don't understand, period. Unfortunately, we did have better luck with male realtors than female.

x100 on satellite views. If your local county has a good GIS this might be better than GE or whatever.

In the end we really just got lucky through a realtor through word-of-mouth. My step-dad knew of a realtor who operated outside of the MLS. He was close to retirement and, like many realtors, was sick of paying all the fees. He was still licensed, but just bought up small properties himself and sold them on his own website. He also still had his signs and would stick them in the ground on properties for sale. He had the PERFECT property for my wife and I - 35 acres, small but 5 year old house, truly large detached garage with one high bay (which sufficed until we built a 40x50x14)

ANYWAY, in an attempt to cheer up the OP, look at the bright side: at least around here "shops" and "outbuildings" add virtually no value to the property. This is good as a buyer. We've twice had the property appraised and the appraisers hardly looked at the shop, and said at best it might add a few thousand to the value. One (a woman, I'm sorry to say), couldn't even measure the footprint of the shop properly and listed 40' as 36'.
 

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When we bought our cottage my wife said "lake", I said "garage". She did the research and found it on Kijiji of all places!
 

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This is why the 2008 bubble popped and people are still pushing this mentality?
Not at all. You just have to make a wise decision. Of course you don't want to get in over your head, but you don't want to buy cheap house in a stagnant or declining area either. The 2008 bubble was mainly caused by the government CRA regulations screwing with the real estate market.
 

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a competent realtor.
This is the key. You have a pretty good idea of what you want. Their job is to find you something that matches what you want. If they are good at their job, they are paying attention to the houses they show and visit with others so they should have a good idea of what price range for you to get what you're looking for. They also should have a good idea if what you want is available in the area, what neighbourhoods, etc etc.

My realtor did one thing for me that was the best thing I could ask of a realtor; she got me a login to their proprietary website to search on my own. Had she not done that, she'd have been fired. I didn't threaten that to her, she decided the houses she was showing us weren't fitting what we both wanted and came up with a solution. Whether you are talking about a doctor, lawyer, realtor, etc a credentialed professional who can solve your problem is a person worth keeping and one who can't is worth replacing.

Anyways what I wanted was a little different from you but combining the searches for garage, basement, minimum acreage and a minimum square footage, I sent her the ones I wanted her to vet (ones that didn't specify HOA, ones she was familiar with neighbourhood, etc) and then used the pedestrian sites for things like crime stats. You aren't going to find a 3+ car on a 0.3 acre lot with a HOA very often. So while the searches can help you, you have to do some common sense work to sort through the bs.

I saw a home with a 2 car detached that was all but fallen down, 2 car attached that was converted into an exercise room with shelves installed in front of the garage doors, and a full basement that was finished badly and had a sliding glass door you could tell it's where used to be a garage door. This house was listed as having 'a 6 cars garage'. People will do anything to sell a house. Between you and the realtor it should be easy to catch most of the bs ones.

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I say set a budget and stick to it.
The 2008 bubble was about predatory lending and banks being above the law. If you try to pull a fast one on a bank and it's going to cost the bank money, someone in that company is going to catch it. If you met the right criteria and the bank could sell you a loan guaranteed to fail, default, or whatever after or beyond their reach they'd do it. It was all about where the buck stopped. Banks have to have quarterly reports and shareholders and all the business stuff. The govt was more or less a willing patsy to all the shenanigans.

It was much much more complicated than you trying to bite off more than you can chew. that's plain old bad judgement and the housing market can survive a few people making bad decisions on the scale of individual borrowers. I don't know the numbers but wouldn't be surprised if every major city in the US at least one home gets foreclosed upon daily due to someone not being able to pay (anymore, perhaps) their mortgage.

Anyway. If you are concerned, I started out the same way. I wanted to have my mortgage, insurance, tax, all housing related costs come out the same cost monthly as what I was paying for rent & insurance on my apt. The end result was houses that were too small or lots too small or too much work needed to get what I want. And I don't mean like a reno or addition. I mean like pretty extreme regrading, 'digging out the other half of the basement' in more than one case, structural work, etc to support what I wanted.

When I decided I could afford more house if I did more stuff at home, stopped seeking entertainment outside the house and settled for going out once a week or so was good enough, we found much more room in the budget for house costs and increased the asking price until we found what we wanted. It took a 50% increase in what we originally thought we were budgeting but it was within what the bank had approved us for to begin with, and I wound up purchasing a house 75% of the cost they had approved us.
 
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It takes two to tango, the borrowers were just as much at fault as the lenders. What I witnessed in SoCal was ludicrous and the only ones not extended to the hilt where the ones that had been there 15+ years.
 
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So I took some of the advice here, found a pitbull of a realtor (extremely proactive) and did some good research on my own. Found this place in a day of looking at my list of favorites.

House is awesome too, but the crown jewel: 1400sqft, 15ft ceilings, 240v, ventilation system, separate room for something like machine shop tools, and even a store room! And of course, all the junk will be gone by closing (they won't leave all of the machinery, I asked).

First things going in are a 100% solid epoxy floor and the lift.

We're under contract, here's to an easy inspection and it's ours. So stoked! Just wanted to share the pics real quick. Thanks guys!

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I am not trying to hijack your thread, I am just trying to present a different perspective in order to give you other options.

If I were in the market for a house and a big garage, I would do it a little different. I would look for a house with sufficient lot size so that I could build the type of garage/shop that I wanted. It is doubtful you will ever find exactly what you want, size, height, type of building, etc. If you build it yourself (or hire it done) you will get what you want instead of having to settle for what is there and then modify it as best you can so it suits your needs.
 
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I am not trying to hijack your thread, I am just trying to present a different perspective in order to give you other options.

If I were in the market for a house and a big garage, I would do it a little different. I would look for a house with sufficient lot size so that I could build the type of garage/shop that I wanted. It is doubtful you will ever find exactly what you want, size, height, type of building, etc. If you build it yourself (or hire it done) you will get what you want instead of having to settle for what is there and then modify it as best you can so it suits your needs.

I think it depends on the financials. I know personally it would take me a year or two to save up the $20-50k I got quoted when I was looking at building something. It was much easier to let someone else take that hit and finance it into the mortgage. I actually had a list of 11 that worked, narrowed it down to 4, and 1 came out on top. All of them had at least 12' ceilings, plenty of room, and really nice houses attached. But yes, if I had a huge reserve saved up I would definitely rather build it myself.
 

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How big are we talking? I got lucky and found my house with a detached 20X40
and a 1 car attached.
 

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