Makita 3/4" impact - Will it remove semi lug nuts?

[reader2580]

I need an impact wrench that remove semi lug nuts. They are supposed to be torqued to between 500 and 600 foot pounds. I tried a 3/4" pneumatic, but I don't have a compressor that can supply enough air even with 1/2" hose and high flow couplers.

Will the Makita XWT07Z 3/4" cordless impact take off these lug nuts since it says it does over 1,200 ft lbs in reverse? Will needing to use a 6" extension on the drive wheels be an issue with reducing the foot pounds to the socket?

I have a 600 ft lb handheld torque wrench to properly torque the lug nuts when I tighten them.

 

[Ruger_556]

Budd or hub pilot? Hub pilot 1200 ft-lbs is usually enough, if it's Budd it's almost guaranteed that none of them will come off with that level of power. Really need 15-1800 ft-lbs to deal with Budd wheels even if they are torqued correctly.

Your torque's are off, 450-500 is spec

 

[reader2580]

I put the wrong model number initially. It should be XWT07Z. The specs on the Makita site show "780 ft.lbs. fastening torque and 1,250 ft.lbs. break-away torque".

I have BUDD lug nuts so it sounds like this might not be powerful enough then. Maybe the real answer is one of those torque multipliers instead to remove the lug nuts.

 

[Ruger_556]

I put the wrong model number initially. It should be XWT07Z. The specs on the Makita site show "780 ft.lbs. fastening torque and 1,250 ft.lbs. break-away torque".

I have BUDD lug nuts so it sounds like this might not be powerful enough then. Maybe the real answer is one of those torque multipliers instead to remove the lug nuts.

Yeah, that won't be enough, probably reverse bias also which will screw you. To deal with budds you need either a stout 3/4 with no direction bias or a 1" gun.

Now que 3 pages of people saying their 1/2" guns take off budd lugs with no problems, "rolls eyes"

 

[geartow]

Now que 3 pages of people saying their 1/2" guns take off budd lugs with no problems, "rolls eyes"

You are correct my half gun will get them off and on but it cracks 33mm sockets more often then it removes a budd lug off that has been weathered.

I have one of the torque multiplier units for wheels they work well for the really stuck ones but are as slow as cold molasses .

Snapon makes a 3/4 drive 33mm socket that is xxxtra deep so no extentions are needed to do the drive wheels.

 

[Wes J]

Why would you need an extension for the drive wheels? Never been an issue for me.

It depends how nice the last guy was. If some tire shop slammed it together with a 1" impact and it's been cruising the salted roads for a few winters, forget it. I always use anti-seize on them. I'll admit I rarely torque them, but I did check a few I ran up with my IR 3/4 impact and they were all very close.

 

[PassnThru]

Now que 3 pages of people saying their 1/2" guns take off budd lugs with no problems, "rolls eyes"

Well - I think that's entirely possible since my 9 year old does it with a quarter inch Craftsman ratchet.

 

[Strouty]

My swench will take them off no problem, doesn't even need a battery.

 

[Olafur]

Perhaps off topic but a 30 gal tank @140 psi is enough for 1" drive impacts for short burst. And short burst with 1" impact will remove the most stubborn of semi lugs.

The size of the compressor dictates how fast you can remove 10 lugs or 100 for that matter. The point is, even tiny compressor with 20-30 gal tank will do the job if you bypass bottlenecks like pressure regulators and use decent size hoses and couplers.

 

[gdocktor3]

Perhaps off topic but a 30 gal tank @140 psi is enough for 1" drive impacts for short burst. And short burst with 1" impact will remove the most stubborn of semi lugs.

The size of the compressor dictates how fast you can remove 10 lugs or 100 for that matter. The point is, even tiny compressor with 20-30 gal tank will do the job if you bypass bottlenecks like pressure regulators and use decent size hoses and couplers.

My thoughts as well. Why spend $300 on a cordless impact that you will only use on lug nuts when you can buy a nice compressor for $200 and use the impact you already have, plus all your other tools? And by nice I mean a used older Craftsman, Kobalt by Sanborn, Campbell Hausfeld or similar quality 30 gallon compressor. I bought my 30 gallon, 5 hp horizontal Craftsman compressor for $200 on CL like 5 years ago and run my 3/4" impact no problem. I pulled the 1-1/4" plug out of the end and reduced it down to 1/2" with a 1/2" filter/reg and 50' of 1/2" Goodyear hose and hi flow couplers. That 5hp motor will put out at least 90 psi all day long with empty or full tank. Yes I have put a gauge on the hose at the tool inlet and tested it after I installed the 1/2" setup.

 

[reader2580]

I already have two air compressors. One 5 HP stationary with 60 gallon tank and one gasoline one. The problem is the 3/4" pneumatic impact I bought won't remove the lug nuts even with 1/2" air hose and Milton V fittings.

I also have the additional problem of not having a good place to tap into the air system on my vehicle that will provide enough air when on the road. I can get a tire truck out to change a tire on the road, but that can sometimes take hours of waiting.

 

[gdocktor3]

I already have two air compressors. One 5 HP stationary with 60 gallon tank and one gasoline one. The problem is the 3/4" pneumatic impact I bought won't remove the lug nuts even with 1/2" air hose and Milton V fittings.

I also have the additional problem of not having a good place to tap into the air system on my vehicle that will provide enough air when on the road. I can get a tire truck out to change a tire on the road, but that can sometimes take hours of waiting.

Ok but regardless the cordless unit isn't powerful enough to remove them either. So, since you have a compressor big enough to run anything, you should also consider customizing your trucks air setup to handle a pneumatic gun. I bought my 3/4" Aircat for around $100 barely used on eBay. There are a few 1" Aircats in eBay with "best offer" option. Maybe you can get a good deal on one.

 

[sberry]

I saw a test with a red cordless, guy says it takes them all off. Now, if a 200$ compressor would do this the world would not need 2000$ ones.

 

[the GOAT]

Sounds like you aren't doing this everyday...

So would something like this work (along with the cordless)

http://www.uniquetruck.com/p-16732-...0eiYFvaG_3wfRQ5Bp0KoU32FVjYkftoDWwaAjx88P8HAQ

 

[gdocktor3]

That Nutbuddy is pretty cool and has all 5 star reviews in Amazon. It's also cheaper on Amazon.

 

[geartow]

The nut buddy is the torque multi plier thing i mentioned owning above . Would not recommend putti ng an impact on it .

 

[reader2580]

I ended up buying a torque multiplier for removing the lugs. It is 78 to 1 so you only need to input 20 pounds of force to create 1,500 lbs of force. They are not supposed to used with an impact, and shouldn't be used with one.

I will probably get the Makita cordless 3/4" impact wrench too since I have other uses for it with a 1/2" adapter.

 

[Git]

I ended up buying a torque multiplier for removing the lugs. It is 78 to 1 so you only need to input 20 pounds of force to create 1,500 lbs of force. They are not supposed to used with an impact, and shouldn't be used with one.

I will probably get the Makita cordless 3/4" impact wrench too since I have other uses for it with a 1/2" adapter.

Just for info - ToolUp is running a promotion right now on select tools. You buy two and you get (2) 4.0 battery packs for free

Those batteries normally sell for around $180 for the two (Makita BL1840B-2). ToolUp's prices are pretty reasonable already, they have free shipping and don't charge me sales tax to S Cal

http://www.toolup.com/promotions/makita-free-18v-battery-with-2-bare-tools

 

[stikman56]

Budd or hub pilot? Hub pilot 1200 ft-lbs is usually enough, if it's Budd it's almost guaranteed that none of them will come off with that level of power. Really need 15-1800 ft-lbs to deal with Budd wheels even if they are torqued correctly.

Your torque's are off, 450-500 is spec

No, he's actually too high. Budd specs are 450-500. Not going to tell anyone they won't come loose at that torque, but that's what they call for. Most get crammed down too tight with tire guns though from what I have encountered. Pulled threads, etc.
Yes, you need way more torque than that to remove them. I doubt a 3/4" cordless will do it, and if it does it won't be pretty. My 3/4" pneumatics (any of them,and I've had the strongest ones out there) have all had trouble getting them moving.

 

[reader2580]

Just for info - ToolUp is running a promotion right now on select tools. You buy two and you get (2) 4.0 battery packs for free

Thank you, I am aware of this promotion. This is actually a Makita promotion and a bunch of retailers are doing it, including Amazon. Amazon made it really hard to find the promotion on their site.

I ended up ordering the 3/4" impact wrench and the Makita brushless grinder from Amazon as the overall price with tax after 5% back from Discover was better than others. Home Depot has a promo on the grinder for $99 so Amazon and the others matched the price.

 

[reader2580]

No, he's actually too high. Budd specs are 450-500. Not going to tell anyone they won't come loose at that torque, but that's what they call for. Most get crammed down too tight with tire guns though from what I have encountered. Pulled threads, etc.
Yes, you need way more torque than that to remove them. I doubt a 3/4" cordless will do it, and if it does it won't be pretty. My 3/4" pneumatics (any of them,and I've had the strongest ones out there) have all had trouble getting them moving.

The 1,500 pounds he is talking about are to get them loose, not the torque to tighten them. If you tightened them to 1,500 pounds there is a good chance the stud would stretch or break. I use a Tireman torque wrench to tighten the lug nuts.

 

[chris142]

I was amazed when my ir231 removed the Budds from my peterbilt! 150 psi non regulated air going to it

 

[stikman56]

I was amazed when my ir231 removed the Budds from my peterbilt! 150 psi non regulated air going to it

With enough air they can. They'll also snap the rotor output right off after you do that for a bit. They aren't very big, and they have a hole through the center of them. Guy in our shop broke his twice while I was there, once doing just what you described.

 

[truckdriver]

My M18 fuel took the lugs off my semi without breaking a sweat. I've posted the video here before.