New Garage (Need an Advice)

[Doulos]

I'm moving into a new home with a brand new garage (~400 SQFT) next month and debating what to do with the garage floor. The garage will be used for just parking and storage.

Here are my assumptions:
1. Don't care about the look
2. Protection from water, oil, etc
3. Simple (relatively) prep work
4. Least amount of money invested

Based on the above, I narrowed my choices down to Ghostshield and SPGX.

I would really appreciate comments from the experts on what I should choose between the two or if there is any other products that I should consider.

Thank you in advance for commenting.

 

[Garage Flooring]

I'm moving into a new home with a brand new garage (~400 SQFT) next month and debating what to do with the garage floor. The garage will be used for just parking and storage.

Here are my assumptions:
1. Don't care about the look
2. Protection from water, oil, etc
3. Simple (relatively) prep work
4. Least amount of money invested

Based on the above, I narrowed my choices down to Ghostshield and SPGX.

I would really appreciate comments from the experts on what I should choose between the two or if there is any other products that I should consider.

Thank you in advance for commenting.

If oil is an imperative then use TL37 densifier and GhostShield 8505 otherwise use either TL39 (same page) for moderate protection against water and salts or TL37 and TL021 Silane Siloxane sealer for high protection.

 

[Doulos]

Justin,
Thank you for the response. I've spoken with customer rep at your company who recommended combination of Ghostshield 4500 and Ghostshield 8505. I think the rep said since I have a brand new concrete, I would need to apply 4500 before 8505. what's the difference between 4500 and applying the TL37?
Also, what prep work is required for applying TL37?
Lastly, i guess the difference between 8505 and TL021 is the protection against Oil (other than the price)?
Thanks again for assisting

 

[Garage Flooring]

Justin,
Thank you for the response. I've spoken with customer rep at your company who recommended combination of Ghostshield 4500 and Ghostshield 8505. I think the rep said since I have a brand new concrete, I would need to apply 4500 before 8505. what's the difference between 4500 and applying the TL37?
Also, what prep work is required for applying TL37?
Lastly, i guess the difference between 8505 and TL021 is the protection against Oil (other than the price)?
Thanks again for assisting

Ghostshield has a brand of densifier and we do too. Typically ours is a better value. It is lithium based and less expensive. Prep work, clean and dry. thats it. You definitely do not want to etch or grind.

8505 Is a combination sealer that features a fluorocarbon specifically designed for oil and automotive fluids. TL021 is a super high solids silane siloxane sealer that really kicks ****. However, from a chemistry standpoint, it is not designed to specifically repel oil. 8505 is truly Oleophobic.

Now having used 021 and other sealers, they do generally repel oil for an initial period of time, but stains are still possible if not likely with long term exposure.

 

[Doulos]

Justin,
Once again, appreciate the response. Since I haven't heard from SPGX, I'm leaning toward your products. However, reviewing other threads I'm also interested in Rustbullet.
I think in terms of cost between combination of TL37/GS8505 and just two coats of base RB grey paints, I think they are about the same, right? (420 SQFT)

In terms of performance (longevity), what would you recommend between the two option based on my assumptions above.

 

[Garage Flooring]

Justin,
Once again, appreciate the response. Since I haven't heard from SPGX, I'm leaning toward your products. However, reviewing other threads I'm also interested in Rustbullet.
I think in terms of cost between combination of TL37/GS8505 and just two coats of base RB grey paints, I think they are about the same, right? (420 SQFT)

In terms of performance (longevity), what would you recommend between the two option based on my assumptions above.

I LOVE Rust Bullet. I have since day 1. Apples and oranges comparison. If I had to pick between the two personally I'd go Rust Bullet but they are really for two different applications

8505 is for the guy that is going to weld and beat the heck out of the floor, not to concerned about appearance, just avoid stains.

Rust Bullet is a coating. Slag will hurt it, but otherwise performs very well and leaves a nice appearance that is easy to clean. If you are going to abuse it and you are doing gray only, use our anti wear anti skid.

 

[Doulos]

Thanks, Justin
well...I called RB customer rep and asked what's required for prep work. The rep said that since it's a brand new cement floor which is smooth, she recommends grinding the floor, which I really wanted to avoid altogether.
Is that right? I thought one of the biggest advantage of RB paint was easy application. If I need grind it, then I guess I have to go with ghostshield option.
Is there a test I can do to see whether grinding is really required?

 

[Garage Flooring]

Thanks, Justin
well...I called RB customer rep and asked what's required for prep work. The rep said that since it's a brand new cement floor which is smooth, she recommends grinding the floor, which I really wanted to avoid altogether.
Is that right? I thought one of the biggest advantage of RB paint was easy application. If I need grind it, then I guess I have to go with ghostshield option.
Is there a test I can do to see whether grinding is really required?

Generally speaking Rust Bullet can be installed over most garage floors without the need to acid etch or grind the floor. There is a *** HUGE *** exception to this. Generally it applies to power troweled floors but in some cases it could apply to to other 'very smooth' concrete.

Does water absorb right away?

If there is any uncertainty, the appropriate test is an adhesion test. 1/4 pint of Rust Bullet. 2" square. 2 coats. Cured for 72 hours. slice a graph paper pattern into it with a utility knife. Apply duct tape and allow it to sit for an hour or so. Then tear it up. If everything sticks, you are in good shape.

 

[Doulos]

Justin,
Yes, water does absorb right away, no indication of formation of water.
Not quite follow what the huge exception is. are you saying the exception is if the surface is power troweled or very smooth?

Is there any way I can get a sample to do the test you mentioned?

 

[Garage Flooring]

Justin,
Yes, water does absorb right away, no indication of formation of water.
Not quite follow what the huge exception is. are you saying the exception is if the surface is power troweled or very smooth?

Is there any way I can get a sample to do the test you mentioned?

are you saying the exception is if the surface is power troweled or very smooth?

YES. Given the results of your water test, it sounds like you should be good. I actually forwarded this whole post to the tech at the manufacturer and I am trying to work with them to see if we can find a better way to phrase this. They do not mean a grinder like with epoxy. They are talking CSP1

http://www.werkmaster.com/concrete-profiling/

 

[Doulos]

Justin,
Sorry for keep bothering you and thank you for your help.

If I understood the website you linked correctly, basically since my floor is very smooth (CSP1), I would need to "rough it" up to make it CSP2 assuming my coating application is from 2–3 mil thickness?

If I understood it correctly, even if this is not as extensive as grinding for epoxy, am I not still doing some sort of light grinding?

 

[Doulos]

Justin,
Just got a confirmation from the builder that the cement floor was hand troweled. With that do you think I can just paint RB without any grinding/roughing?

 

[Garage Flooring]

Justin,
Just got a confirmation from the builder that the cement floor was hand troweled. With that do you think I can just paint RB without any grinding/roughing?

I have never had an issue going over a hand troweled floor. I was saying they are asking for a CSP1 profile to be created if you had a power troweled floor.

 

[Doulos]

Awesome.
What is the best way to purchase them? How many gals to I need? I have a 410 sqft garage.

 

[Garage Flooring]

Awesome.
What is the best way to purchase them? How many gals to I need? I have a 410 sqft garage.

I would order 2 gallons and one quart http://www.garageflooringllc.com/rust-bullet-concrete/

I would order 3-9" rollers and some solvent for clean up. If you do not have a respirator, we can send one for $20

 

[Armorpoxy]

Hi
A single coat of SPGX would give you a super resistant floor with very little work. Two gals would be fine for this project.


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