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Just looking for a really rough estimate. Are we talking $100k or are we talking $200k for a 2nd floor?

The house in question is in a Boston, MA suburb. It is worth about $400,000. It is 900 sqft. Built in the 1950s. Poured concrete foundation, no leaks in the basement.

The 1st floor needs to be completely gutted, fuse panel... so it needs new wiring. Everything original to the 1950s

I am afraid to get a contractor for a quote because I fear they will buy it. I do not own the house.
 
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I would say you are on track between 100-200k rough estimate. Foundation may need beefed up as well.
 

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So many variables at play here. Since you said "Boston", I'm going with a figure much closer to that $200K mark, unfortunately.
 

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Real question is whether the first floor framing is up to adding a floor. Many older houses are not. You need to find out what the first floor framing is (size of studs and spacing) and check with your local code official to see if it will meet their requirements.

I'm working on one at the moment that I wanted to add a second floor, but that would have required reframing the first floor, and the footings/stem wall would have been deficient also. I have enough land that I'm just leaving it 1 story, and adding on a 2 story addition instead. I could have designed and built a system that would allow the second story, but it really was not worth the cost. In my case, it is my to my advantage to leave the existing house and build around it. If I do a remodel/addition, I do not have to pay impact fees that I would have to pay if I tore down the house and started anew. The cost savings make messing with the original house worthwhile.

In your case, since the land/house is so valuable, it might be worth it. You can always gut the first floor, add a stud between each of the existing, and re-sheath the outside. Even the basement wall can be upgraded, if required. Cost would be almost the same as tearing it down and starting from scratch, so you really have to look at whether it is worthwhile to you to live in that neighborhood.
 
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Thank you all for your input.

ssdave, if I purchase this house, I do plan on gutting the first floor anyway. It's original to the 50s, so there is no insulation and there is original wiring (fuse panel, no CBs)

In this area, a pre-fab/turn-key 1400 sqft ranch with attached 2-car garage costs $250,000 including new foundation.

Real question is whether the first floor framing is up to adding a floor. Many older houses are not. You need to find out what the first floor framing is (size of studs and spacing) and check with your local code official to see if it will meet their requirements.

I'm working on one at the moment that I wanted to add a second floor, but that would have required reframing the first floor, and the footings/stem wall would have been deficient also. I have enough land that I'm just leaving it 1 story, and adding on a 2 story addition instead. I could have designed and built a system that would allow the second story, but it really was not worth the cost. In my case, it is my to my advantage to leave the existing house and build around it. If I do a remodel/addition, I do not have to pay impact fees that I would have to pay if I tore down the house and started anew. The cost savings make messing with the original house worthwhile.

In your case, since the land/house is so valuable, it might be worth it. You can always gut the first floor, add a stud between each of the existing, and re-sheath the outside. Even the basement wall can be upgraded, if required. Cost would be almost the same as tearing it down and starting from scratch, so you really have to look at whether it is worthwhile to you to live in that neighborhood.
 

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It's not just the first floor framing to consider but also the footings. Also, a reputable contractor has better ways to make money than buying houses out from under potential customers. Don't buy a house that needs a full renovation and an addition without getting at least one bid and preferably several on the work ahead of time.

To answer your original question; anywhere from 175k to you basically just bought an expensive lot and you need to start from scratch.
 

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When I was a kid, my parents raised the house, and they put a finished basement under the existing house. It worked out good for our family
 

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I have a 1 story ranch with an attached 2 car. My foundation is block and poured as I have a full basement, except under the garage. it's from the mid 60's and not up north. It might cost you half that much just to redo the roof when inevitably it needs completely gutted.

Then there's the matter of finding out after you did all the planning reinforcing so on and so on that you won't be able to match the edifice of the first floor.

Short answer I've been thinking about it since before we put in an offer. And it still may never happen. It's so far back burner it's behind the stove. If you do it though you take a million photos. I want to save money from where you made the mistakes first. Good luck.
 

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Assume you put a second floor on, how much do you estimate the house would be worth?

We're going through a similar decision process in the Philly area except we've been in the house 10 years. It's a 1500sqft brick rectangle, so easy to add up with no structural concerns. Doing a nice but not extravagant reno, taking it down to the block and going up a story would run around $350k. That's new everything-- hvac, subfloors, roof, windows, kitchen and baths, etc. but within the same footprint.

A bunch of investors are doing it around here. Buy for $300, spend $350, sell for $900. You could easily do it for less but I wouldn't go in with less than $250k. Things add up quickly. Architectural plans and permits may cost $15000 alone.

Instead of the second story (higher cost + higher taxes), we decided to make our walk-out basement part of the house. We're just getting estimates now but even that's going to cost $200k. Renovate 3000sqft, no structural changes, no roof changes, some new windows, new kitchen/bath, doors, etc.
 

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I flip houses and I just did a full 2nd story on 1150 sq ft ranch and I was all in @$250K in construction costs. This included garage new 22x22, fence, landscape, all new mechanicals, full gut and reframe of first floor, finishing basement. I wrapped entire house in Hardie Board that alone was over $20K

This can be done cheaper but not by much
 

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Just over 10 years ago we decided to add a third garage stall & a second story to a third of our single story house. I was also concerned about footers, existing framing, etc. A couple of architects, & some engineers fleshed out my basic plan & showed us how to use what we had. Basically they supported the second floor with large glu-lam beams supported by columns on large concrete footers placed at several locations inside the house. The existing framing & footers only stabilized the ends. No upgrade to existing framing or footing.

It was expensive, $320,000, but by the end we had gutted the entire house, re-plumbed, re-wired, & remodeled everything. End result is a new house with a solid second floor & a stairwell with no creaking. We ended up with more house than we could have had with either a complete rebuild, or selling & buying anything in the same neighborhood.
 
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Thanks all.

The current size of the house is pretty much perfect for me (being single) and I plan on doing a complete gut renovation. Just weighing options for resale or for my future (kids). I'd probably have to tear out the walls again if I decide to add in the future?

If I finish the basement and add 2nd floor, it may be worth close to $650k. If i only reno the 1st and finish basement it may be worth $525k. Asking price for this house currently is $410k

Do you guys think i'm thinking too far ahead?
 

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Do you guys think i'm thinking too far ahead?

Yes. Yankee fans could move in and ruin the whole neighborhood. ;)


Just weighing options for resale or for my future (kids). I'd probably have to tear out the walls again if I decide to add in the future?

Don't underestimate the value of child labor! We tend to shy away from this, for some reason... My early entre to construction was helping add an additional story to my parents house. The deal was simple - if I built my own bedroom, I got to continue to live there. The bedroom was great, but the skills I learned turned out to be much more valuable.


In this area, a pre-fab/turn-key 1400 sqft ranch with attached 2-car garage costs $250,000 including new foundation.

Obviously these aren't being built in the neighborhood where they are asking $410K for the house you are interested in. The catch is that the price of construction (not including land) runs a wide range, depending on the construction type, area, and finishes. (The latter two being a huge part of it.) You'll commonly see $125-$250 per square foot costs for construction. In downtown Boston, many places will be much much higher.


Before you proceed with this transaction, I'd ask a realtor to find out what the land (with no house on it) is worth. For the price of what it would be to build something, I'd say a physical 900 sq foot house that needs to be gutted is probably worth around $75-90K. If the land isn't worth $325K with no house on it, I'd walk away and find a better deal.

^ That being said, if the land is really worth $325K I'd just patch up the house with duct tape and fresh paint for now. Treat it as disposable - Taking in to account the effect of your new tax deduction - you'd spend more than the cost of the house in rent over the time it will take to get ready to build a family. When the time comes to have a bigger house - tear the whole thing down to the foundation and start over. (I'd think you'd end up with a much more valuable "newer" house at that point.)
 

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If the house really needs to be gutted out and redone, and you intend to add a second floor, I'd presume you'd reside and put in new windows also. If you're going to that extent, I'd replace the HVAC and Plumbing too.

At that point, all you're really re-using is the framing. There's not a huge amount of value to the framing; the $75-$90K quoted earlier is generous, considering that you have to put in the labor of gutting out the house too. Reusing the framing does save you a small amount of demolition and disposal costs, though.

I'm currently building a new house around a 900 square foot existing house. I'm gutting and remodeling it because it's sound, and doing so saves me paying impact fees. I'm just slightly ahead of break even by re-using the framing over just going new. Costs are more reasonable here than where you live, my bid for materials and labor to frame the house (no excavation, foundations, siding, windows or roofing costs included) is $58,000. That's for 2800 sf of house and 36 x 48 attached garage. At that kind of cost, except for the impact fees, you'd be nuts to remodel an existing house, after paying anything more for it than the land is worth. Where construction costs are higher, or where you can save more of the existing house, it makes economic sense to remodel.
 

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It wouldn't be particularly hard to do what you want to but it will be expensive. Being in a big ****** there might be a lot of paperwork/restrictions on how you do it as well.

As far as wiring the house doesn't need to be gutted, you have an unfinished basement and walls with no insulation in them. Personally if the house is a screaming deal I would buy it, pay the $20k for someone to rewire it and work on remodeling as time and funds permit because it is stupid expensive. When you start thinking about kids finish out a couple of rooms in the basement.
 
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It wouldn't be particularly hard to do what you want to but it will be expensive. Being in a big ****** there might be a lot of paperwork/restrictions on how you do it as well.

As far as wiring the house doesn't need to be gutted, you have an unfinished basement and walls with no insulation in them. Personally if the house is a screaming deal I would buy it, pay the $20k for someone to rewire it and work on remodeling as time and funds permit because it is stupid expensive. When you start thinking about kids finish out a couple of rooms in the basement.

Actually, I JUST found out that the house has blown-in insulation. Also, half of the basement is "finished" with the 1950s woodgrain panels, legally making it 1200 sqft "finished", and 400sqft is unfinished

I'm going to city hall today to see if setback allows for a 2nd floor.

Thanks all.
 

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You really need to run all the numbers as accurately as possible.

Values and costs are what they are and you need a dispassionate analysis of the facts and figures.

Whenever I hear of someone trying to make extreme changes to a structure, I think they are trying to make the impossible into reality.
 
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It wouldn't be particularly hard to do what you want to but it will be expensive. Being in a big ****** there might be a lot of paperwork/restrictions on how you do it as well.

As far as wiring the house doesn't need to be gutted, you have an unfinished basement and walls with no insulation in them. Personally if the house is a screaming deal I would buy it, pay the $20k for someone to rewire it and work on remodeling as time and funds permit because it is stupid expensive. When you start thinking about kids finish out a couple of rooms in the basement.

It is NOT a screaming deal but the location is where I want to be, quiet street but close to all major routes. The house is a good size for me, I am able to build a garage. The land is alright, needs some leveling and filling, but it's good.
 
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You really need to run all the numbers as accurately as possible.

Values and costs are what they are and you need a dispassionate analysis of the facts and figures.

Whenever I hear of someone trying to make extreme changes to a structure, I think they are trying to make the impossible into reality.

You are right about me... I've fallen in lust with this house :sad:
 
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Based on what many here and people i've spoken to say, it will cost too much for me to add a 2nd floor, even though I will break even on the home's value. I dont have the money

Just renovating the 1st floor and basement, I will still break even on the home's value if I were to purchase a similar home already renovated. Doing it myself (hiring it out), I will have everything the way I want it.
 

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You are right about me... I've fallen in lust with this house :sad:

I won't say it can't be done.

In fact, I designed just such an addition for a home not 2 miles from here. A young couple with children bought a house in a near suburb, and the husband was killed over a $700 debt. The mother sold her house in the city to fund the full second floor 3 bedroom and bath addition, and moved in to help with the children.

Bill
 

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Thanks all.

The current size of the house is pretty much perfect for me (being single) and I plan on doing a complete gut renovation. Just weighing options for resale or for my future (kids). I'd probably have to tear out the walls again if I decide to add in the future?

If I finish the basement and add 2nd floor, it may be worth close to $650k. If i only reno the 1st and finish basement it may be worth $525k. Asking price for this house currently is $410k

Do you guys think i'm thinking too far ahead?

As an investor, No your numbers are terrible to make any money. If it's worth $650k after $250k remodel I personally wouldn't buy it higher than $250K to make any marginal return
 
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As an investor, No your numbers are terrible to make any money. If it's worth $650k after $250k remodel I personally wouldn't buy it higher than $250K to make any marginal return



Good. I want the house for me. I dont want an investor to get it.
 

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As an investor, No your numbers are terrible to make any money. If it's worth $650k after $250k remodel I personally wouldn't buy it higher than $250K to make any marginal return

Good. I want the house for me. I dont want an investor to get it.


Everything here is sounding like this is really a tear-down property. If so, there's nothing wrong with purchasing it for yourself, but you need to know the value of the clear land to know if you are throwing money away and the course of action would be to spend a very little amount of money on lipstick and paint to make it passable until its time to bring in the wrecking ball. (A $400K+ 1200 sq foot fixer-upper that "needs" a gut rehab in a highly desirable neighborhood fits this description to a tee.)

For example, if your land is worth $200K and the physical structure is worth $75-90K (on a good day), why would you offer more than $275K for it?
 
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Everything here is sounding like this is really a tear-down property. If so, there's nothing wrong with purchasing it for yourself, but you need to know the value of the clear land to know if you are throwing money away and the course of action would be to spend a very little amount of money on lipstick and paint to make it passable until its time to bring in the wrecking ball. (A $400K+ 1200 sq foot fixer-upper that "needs" a gut rehab in a highly desirable neighborhood fits this description to a tee.)



For example, if your land is worth $200K and the physical structure is worth $75-90K (on a good day), why would you offer more than $275K for it?



Land in this area is scarce. Tear-downs (as stated in listing descriptions) usually go for $300K-$350K

Ive heard that ranches built it the 1950s in the Eastern Massachusetts area are built rock-solid like tanks.
 

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Some folks near here jacked up the house and built a new first floor.

Same roof, it looks good.
 

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Land in this area is scarce. Tear-downs (as stated in listing descriptions) usually go for $300K-$350K

As I suspected. You are describing a $300-350K tear-down that is overpriced by $50-100K, which is fine - that's what realtors do and why people make offers in property.

Think of it this way. The house is really a $300-350K house. That extra money you save could go in to your tear-down project some day.

Ive heard that ranches built it the 1950s in the Eastern Massachusetts area are built rock-solid like tanks.

If this were true, the house wouldn't need a gut rehab... The structure (probably only 10% of the construction cost) may be made of better lumber than what you can get today, but that doesn't mean much if its all rotten. Older houses need/needed more maintenance and who knows if all that was done???



It is NOT a screaming deal but the location is where I want to be, quiet street but close to all major routes. The house is a good size for me, I am able to build a garage. The land is alright, needs some leveling and filling, but it's good.

Good. I want the house for me. I dont want an investor to get it.

^ If you are having these thoughts, then you aren't ready to buy a house. You have to be willing to walk away from the deal. If you aren't, then the people on the other side of the table are going to take advantage of you.

If you end up paying an extra $100K to the seller that the house isn't worth, that will set you a long way back with regards to your goals for this.


I dont want an investor to get it.

Everyone in this country who buys a house is an investor. So, if you are going to buy it, you should think like one.

More food for thought - lot's of "investors" get their lives ruined when they pay too much for a property, loose their job or hit financial troubles mid-construction, and then can't unload the property because its actually worth a lot less than they paid for it.
 
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As I suspected. You are describing a $300-350K tear-down that is overpriced by $50-100K, which is fine - that's what realtors do and why people make offers in property.

Think of it this way. The house is really a $300-350K house. That extra money you save could go in to your tear-down project some day.



If this were true, the house wouldn't need a gut rehab... The structure (probably only 10% of the construction cost) may be made of better lumber than what you can get today, but that doesn't mean much if its all rotten. Older houses need/needed more maintenance and who knows if all that was done???







^ If you are having these thoughts, then you aren't ready to buy a house. You have to be willing to walk away from the deal. If you aren't, then the people on the other side of the table are going to take advantage of you.

If you end up paying an extra $100K to the seller that the house isn't worth, that will set you a long way back with regards to your goals for this.




Everyone in this country who buys a house is an investor. So, if you are going to buy it, you should think like one.

More food for thought - lot's of "investors" get their lives ruined when they pay too much for a property, loose their job or hit financial troubles mid-construction, and then can't unload the property because its actually worth a lot less than they paid for it.

Thanks.

Mybe I'm just thinking it "needs" to be gutted because everything is old and 1950's looking.... in my unprofessional, inexperienced, non-carpenter opinion.

If just renovating the first floor and basement, for a flipper, I dont think this house is good for them. For a homeowner, what do you think about breaking-even on the total cost and final value for the current Boston suburb market? If I spend 530k-540k total, I'm confident the property will be worth 520k or more(I dont plan on selling anytime soon). My estimate includes building an attached garage, and I know building garages do not see good $ returns.
 
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Without seeing the home it's difficult to say but many of the most valuable older homes are VERY lightly updated to add modern convenience and efficiency to classic charm. Ask anybody in architectural salvage, folks pay big bucks to make their home look classic. Many others piss away money needlessly updating old homes only to end with an odd mishmash with little value. My personal favorite - gutting plaster to needlessly "insulate."

JME but the bigger issues I see on a project like this for a younger or inexperienced first time buyer is financing and code enforcement. You might get the initial loan but pose a huge risk and probably won't get much if any construction loan for upgrades or repairs. If you are doing a significant amount of work, also be aware many municipalities in your area won't let you occupy until the work is completed, inspected, and a new COO issued.....so you may end up with double living costs and paying cash to repair the existing house before thinking about an addition. Also be prepared to pay high insurance rates and taxes until you can occupy. Not to be a downer, but new home and car sales are popular with younger folks for good reason - bc most don't have the cash flow for these projects and banks won't deal with them.

As to the cost, DIY I'd say $50-70k if you shop around and are careful, $150-200k if you have no connections within the trades and hire it out. Also be prepared to be told it's simply not possible for various structural reasons.


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Without seeing the home it's difficult to say but many of the most valuable older homes are VERY lightly updated to add modern convenience and efficiency to classic charm. Ask anybody in architectural salvage, folks pay big bucks to make their home look classic. Many others piss away money needlessly updating old homes only to end with an odd mishmash with little value. My personal favorite - gutting plaster to needlessly "insulate."

JME but the bigger issues I see on a project like this for a younger or inexperienced first time buyer is financing and code enforcement. You might get the initial loan but pose a huge risk and probably won't get much if any construction loan for upgrades or repairs. If you are doing a significant amount of work, also be aware many municipalities in your area won't let you occupy until the work is completed, inspected, and a new COO issued.....so you may end up with double living costs and paying cash to repair the existing house before thinking about an addition. Also be prepared to pay high insurance rates and taxes until you can occupy. Not to be a downer, but new home and car sales are popular with younger folks for good reason - bc most don't have the cash flow for these projects and banks won't deal with them.

As to the cost, DIY I'd say $50-70k if you shop around and are careful, $150-200k if you have no connections within the trades and hire it out. Also be prepared to be told it's simply not possible for various structural reasons.


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This house is a cookie cutter ranch style house. So, i would say there is nothing of value as far as architectural things go. I assume youre talking about period style stuff like victorian crown molding... Etc.

It appears that its going to be out of my budget to add a second floor. I'll focus on the 1st floor and basement. Assuming i even win the bid for the house...
 

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Mybe I'm just thinking it "needs" to be gutted because everything is old and 1950's looking.... in my unprofessional, inexperienced, non-carpenter opinion.

If just renovating the first floor and basement, for a flipper, I dont think this house is good for them. For a homeowner, what do you think about breaking-even on the total cost and final value for the current Boston suburb market? If I spend 530k-540k total, I'm confident the property will be worth 520k or more(I dont plan on selling anytime soon). My estimate includes building an attached garage, and I know building garages do not see good $ returns.

Understand your not an investor but your not actually breaking even as it will cost you at least 7% to sell the house if you needed too - so if your ARV is $540k it will cost you $35-40K just to sell the asset with RE commissions and closing costs. Point is just because you have the money sunk understand it's not a wash to recoup
 
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Understand your not an investor but your not actually breaking even as it will cost you at least 7% to sell the house if you needed too - so if your ARV is $540k it will cost you $35-40K just to sell the asset with RE commissions and closing costs. Point is just because you have the money sunk understand it's not a wash to recoup



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But, couldnt the same be said about any home purchase? Let's say I just bought an already renovated house for $550k. Something suddenly comes up and I have to sell. Your scenario will still hold true for this house too?
 

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I'm confident the property will be worth 520k or more(I dont plan on selling anytime soon).

You need to understand what the bare land is worth before you can figure out what anything is worth here. If not, you will be guessing. If you are comfortable guessing with that kind of money, I have a few things I'd like to sell you...

This decision is really important and will have serious future consequences. If you plan to have a family and pass the value of the asset on, you would want to maximize the future value of what you are doing.

Developing (or buying) property in neighborhoods where houses are being torn down is a dangerous game. Many of the people doing that activity are skilled and experienced developers and are your competitors. (As you have mentioned.) You may end up with what you think is a lovely $500K renovated building, but if developers tear down around you and surround you with $1.5M mansions -> no one will want your house. It will sink in value to what the land is worth and someone will come along and only buy your house so they can tear it down and build another $1.5M mansion on the land.

In order to really have something of value, you'll need to forget about what you think you want to do for this property and put together a plan that follows what's happening in the rest of the neighborhood.


So, i would say there is nothing of value as far as architectural things go. I assume youre talking about period style stuff like victorian crown molding... Etc.

More evidence that this house is a good tear-down candidate.


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But, couldnt the same be said about any home purchase? Let's say I just bought an already renovated house for $550k. Something suddenly comes up and I have to sell. Your scenario will still hold true for this house too?


You are going to loose this money on any sale. If you give away an extra $100K at the closing table when you buy the house or sink money to renovate a structure that the next person to come along is just going to tear down, then this situation is much much worse.
 

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Most likely a house back in the '50's probably had 2x4 walls, which won't be sufficient for a second floor by todays standards. I know that older homes (20', '30's) had the fullsize oak 2x4's, but the '50's some of those were starting to get into the smaller size 2x4's and getting away from the hard oak 2x's. So today, using todays lumber, you will most likely have to have 2x6 studding for the lower floor outer walls to support the upper second story. And as stated above, you will need to make sure that the foundation is up to todays standards to support a second floor addition.

As far as cost, for adding a second floor to a 900 sq. ft. house, completely finished, and all, for no bigger than what the house is.....if that little of house is worth $400,000 now, I would guess in Mass. you are easily looking at $200,000 for a contractor to come in and do it. You could knock that price down quite a bit by DIY if you are capable, and the house has a simple footprint to it.

Is there a particular reason that you would want to go up instead of out? Lot size possibly. If you would have a decent sized lot where you could go out, I think if it were me, I would go that route to keep things more in proportion. At 900 sq. ft. now, you most likely have a square box or a small rectangle of around 24x38. being that small, I think a second story would look sort of odd, unless you had a larger front porch to offset the height of the structure.

It's really hard to tell what the cost would be though as a lot of us don't have a clue as to what things cost in Mass. other than being higher than most places, except for a few places in the United States. And then you have to factor in whether you are going to be doing any of the work or just writing the checks. If you are just gong to write the checks, and depending on how you make the outside of the structure look, materials used, brands of windows and doors, if you use high end materials you could be close to hitting a $300,000+ mark. Then you have to consider whether you just tear things down and start completely over, or if you tear everything down except for one wall to grandfather things in, and call it a major remodel. As far as a contractor buying it out from under you, and if cost of adding a second story on is a determining factor as to whether you buy it or not, I think I would take my chance and speak with a contractor. You'll never get an idea unless you have one to look it over.

Or put an offer on it with the idea of leaving it at 900 sq.ft., buy it, and if per chance it cost too much to add on a second story, fix up and update what you have, then resell it for a slight profit.
 

964haus

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We added a second story to a 1920s craftsman. Added a little breakfast nook on main floor - upstairs is 3 small bedrooms and a little bathroom. $250K in 2006.

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dragonballz

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Thank you everybody. I've read all of your posts AT LEAST 3 times to make sure I understand everything and know as much of the risks as possible.
 

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If you like the area, it is hard to make more ground in that spot. Since you seem convinced to add on a garage, have you thought about building a second story on the garage with the stairway in the part that connects to the house?
 
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dragonballz

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Update: Seller accepted my offer. I believe i paid more than a few thousand more than market value.

You are welcome everybody. Now that I've bought a house, the real estate bubble is going to pop any day now. [emoji847]


If you like the area, it is hard to make more ground in that spot. Since you seem convinced to add on a garage, have you thought about building a second story on the garage with the stairway in the part that connects to the house?



Yup ive thought about it.
 

wssix99

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Update: Seller accepted my offer. I believe i paid more than a few thousand more than market value.

So you offered more than market value??? WWDTD? (What would Donald Trump do?) When you buy a car, do you pay more than sticker price, also?

^ It's not too late to fix this. We can give you all sorts of 60+ year-old-house "deficiencies" to find during your "home inspection", which will allow you to negotiate the price down. I feel some "potentially toxic mold" and "dirty ducts" coming on...

So... where are the pictures? Without pictures, this transaction doesn't exist. ;)
 
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