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dkmc

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Lets see your blasting equipment and systems....

Cabinets
Dust collection systems
Pressure pots
Dust hoods
Blast rooms
Media
And the Compressors and air systems you run them with.

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dkmc

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Nice size pressure pot.

Here's some pics

My Trinco I complained about in another thread. Too much media stays in
the bottom of the cabinet, but that's getting sorted out and improvements are being made thanks to other members expertise and suggestions.

And a Pangborn cabinet I've had for years,"stored" out in the weeds.
Needs some TLC and maybe a bit of re-design.

More to come....
 

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Here's a compressor project that's been lingering for, well, actually I thought about it, and it's been 20 years!

This is an IR GRA-125 vane type compressor. 125 CFM, 100 PSI
It's 2 stage, and powered by a (getting rare) Continental G193 overhead valve 4 cylinder engine. A construction company had it, and decided they needed the "trailer" part of the unit, and didn't want the compressor part
any longer. I forget the details now, but I ended up with the pieces.
Started re configuring it into a new skid, but it got set aside many years ago.
I've been re-visiting the idea of getting re-motivated to complete this project.
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Neat unit. does it have or use an oil/air separator? I was involved with a couple 365 cfm units on a previous job, and they had those filters. That would make a good sandblast rig for sure. Hook it to a cabinet and you will get tired before it does
 
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dkmc

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Yes, it's oil injected. Big worry is IF the separator element is still good,
and if not, where the heck I'd source one as they do fail. I'm not sure the
project is worth investing time into. It wouldn't be cost effective, I assure you of that. So it would just be all about the satisfaction of completing it.
 
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Well, it's been awhile since I did an update
This one's got a huge plot twist!

I mentioned the IR Gyroflo compressor with the G193 Continental
gas engine awhile back. And wanting to complete that long standing
project. Well, it's a very time consuming project, and I thought about
all other options.
Including placing a "wanted" ad on Craigslist, similar to dropping a fishing line
in the water. What's to loose? Never expect much, and don't be surprised
if not even the spammers respond. So I gave that a try....

And once in awhile with CL you can get unexpected results.
See pics for what came up in an email from a guy on Craigslist.
I think this option with 2 cylinder Deutz diesel makes a lot more
sense than investing time in the old tech project.
It's possible the G193 Continental by itself will bring $1000-1200 on EBAY.
I see bare blocks on there for $450 and parts piles for $1200.
Or if someone is interested in a compressor project??

The diesel is 125CFM. I'm thinking it sips fuel.
It will need some tinker work and a couple issues fixed, but starts right up,
runs and pumps air fine. I'm convinced it was THE way to go for $600.00
I really like Craigslist!
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More pics to follow as I get into maintenance and taking care of some issues. The prev. owner had a problem with it starting to build air, then the engine would die. Pump itself was getting hot and low oil flow. They bypassed the oil cooler and it runs now. They suspect the oil separator may have failed and plugged up the oil cooler, and the separator element
looked recently replaced. I'm going to dig into it soon.....like way sooner than 20 years!


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Hello RJ

Hope you've managed the heat this summer. Up here in the north we have been hot and dry.

I am very excited about this compressor. I've torn into it to fix
some problems. The oil cooler for the compressor seems to be plugged up
(no idea with WHAT at this point). The seller bypassed the cooler and oil filter and it circulates oil fine. Of course without the cooler things get hot in a hurry. Today I reconnected the filter (still no cooler) and it circulated oil just fine again. So it's not the filter or related hoses.
Then I removed the cooler......UGH what a project.
I need to get the cooler flushed someplace......or somehow.
I'll know more tomorrow.
 

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How about post up a picture of the cooler. Maybe someone will have some ideas.

The heat during the building of the sunroom has been killer, especially with arthritic knees, but I am a diehard. If it wasn't for a piece of towel tied around my head to keep the salty sweat out of my eyes, I would not have been able to hang in there. Work 2 hrs, cool off 1 hr. Still got a ways to go yet, but at least it is dried in. Ready to get back to playing in the shop.

The big cabinet is nice. My son brought the bed to a 12" Craftsman lathe to blast. It was 42" long and was no issue. Taped up the ways with duct tape and went at it. I have lathe all over the shop waiting for blasting on his schedule, but hey, we get to spend a little father/son time. Harder to do when they are in their 30's.
 
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It's amazing they put the filter AFTER the oil cooler on this machine.
If it was before the cooler this may have not happened.


So I gathered fittings to attach an air hose...not much flow
Then the garden hose...not much flow...
Then the Pressure Washer! 2500PSI should make something happen!

At first only some ATF came out, then clear water, but not much flow. I kept pulling the trigger briefly on the washer gun.
The all of a sudden there was a great cloud of water and then another stream of ATF. I turned my head quick to not get splashed in the face.

And then it seemed like it was flowing more freely. So then I looked around and in the taller grass I saw what is in the pic below. I did NOT SEE that come out of the fitting, but I guess it must have.
No idea how that can fit in (or back out) thru a 5/8 hole in the 90 degree elbow you see in the picture. It's some sort of tough fiber material. Maybe from the oil separator element. Seller said the element looked recently replaced. It would have to have traveled thru about 3 feet of hose, and then in thru the 90 degree elbow.
Wow!
Now to re-assemble and try a test run!
Still gonna check at the tractor store for another filter mount
and maybe install another one BEFORE the cooler. I'd much rather
change a filter than do this **** again.

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Wow! That thing really shot the wad! I think you are wise to install a filter in the position you stated. If it happened once it can happen again. You may be home free now.
 
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Here is our arsenal for our Powdercoating/Ceramic coating shop:
2 Trinco 60"x48"
1 Trinco 60"x30"
(1) Pirate Pressure Pot

The Blast Cabinets live in a dedicated blast room, we use 80 Grit Al Oxide.
The Pressure pot is in a metal blast booth just outside the shop. With that we use 30/60 Garnet.

Air supply is an Eaton/Polar Air 40Hp Compressor and Polar Air refrigerant dryer.

We've had a few blasters that we've retired in the 10 years we've been in business. The 30x60 cabinet is actually the first one we bought. It was retired and sat outside in the "boneyard" till this year when I rebuilt it. Lined the bottom tub with new 1/8" plate and reconfigured it to one window.

We have two dedicated blast guys and we go through about 1200-1500 lbs of Al Oxide every month.


 
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BTG,

What are you using as dust collection in the blast room? I have a blast room I want to bring back to life, all the air handing equipment is gone.

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The blast room has a large explosion-proof fan exhausting to the outside. There is a slightly smaller fan that pushes air into the room from the shop. The room stays slightly negative pressure so sand and dust does not get out into the shop. There really isnt much dust as all from the blasters. The open booth has two of our old Trinco dust/sand separator cabinets exhausting the dust. There are a couple wall air intake vents on the opposite end of the booth.
 

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I was interested in the area with the pressure pot. I have a 20X30' blast room that I would like to re-commission. The company that was here before used it to shot blast weldments. All the infrastructure for blasting is gone, I have a couple guys interested in doing trailer frames in there.

Steve
 

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Nice size pressure pot.

Here's some pics

My Trinco I complained about in another thread. Too much media stays in
the bottom of the cabinet, but that's getting sorted out and improvements are being made thanks to other members expertise and suggestions.

And a Pangborn cabinet I've had for years,"stored" out in the weeds.
Needs some TLC and maybe a bit of re-design.

More to come....

Please share. Have the same cabinet and problem. What modifications ?
 
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dkmc

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Here is our arsenal for our Powdercoating/Ceramic coating shop:
2 Trinco 60"x48"
1 Trinco 60"x30"
(1) Pirate Pressure Pot

The Blast Cabinets live in a dedicated blast room, we use 80 Grit Al Oxide.
The Pressure pot is in a metal blast booth just outside the shop. With that we use 30/60 Garnet.

Air supply is an Eaton/Polar Air 40Hp Compressor and Polar Air refrigerant dryer.

We've had a few blasters that we've retired in the 10 years we've been in business. The 30x60 cabinet is actually the first one we bought. It was retired and sat outside in the "boneyard" till this year when I rebuilt it. Lined the bottom tub with new 1/8" plate and reconfigured it to one window.

We have two dedicated blast guys and we go through about 1200-1500 lbs of Al Oxide every month.

Great pictures! Nice sized cabinets!
How about some pics and details of your Compressor and Air System as well?




Please share. Have the same cabinet and problem. What modifications ?

Here is the link to the Trinco thread.
I have yet to modify the hopper bottom and increase the airflow with more holes in the cabinet top.
http://www.garagejournal.com/forum/showthread.php?t=331062
 
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A bit of an update on the IR P-125-SD compressor from post #7.
It has some quirks, good thing it's not a critical piece I'm needing right away.
Like many "deals" there needs to be some sorting out of details and maybe some
fixing up here and there.

After clearing the 'wad' from the oil cooler, I did a test run and it behaves very well as far as oil temp now. So I installed another larger micron filter before the cooler.
Then I got into the (lack of) pressure problem...

It was only making about 70 psi and unloading at that point. Even tho the hour meter says 135 hours, it's apparent someone has been fiddling with this unit.
The hour meter actually works, and a buddy pointed out that the lack of dirt, and the way the engine starts and runs so well may indicate that it is actual hours.

After some research and repeated head scratching, I spotted a spacer in the parts diagram that sits under the unloader spring.....spacer was MIA. So I made one up from Alu. bar stock and installed it. Also the throttle screw was backed off, and with a screw compressor, pressure is a function of RPM. More adjustments and I have easily obtained the 100 PSI unload point.

Problem is, as you open the service valve (air outlet valve) the pressure drops all the way down to exactly 50 PSI before the throttle opens and output increases.
That is not acceptable to me. I want a 80-100 or better yet a 90-100 PSI range.
At this point I have done considerable research, asked questions, talked to IR service
center techs on the phone, etc. and I can't figure out how to raise the "load" set point. I've been told a shop service manual is not available for this unit, only a parts manual which I have. I've had the unloader-modulating valve apart and inspected all the parts for wear and problems. It's not very complicated, and there aren't many parts in the assembly.

This unit is a 1985 year of manufacture, and supposedly was made Doosan.
I'm at the point where I'm questioning the engineering that went into the unloader mechanism. Like....did it always just work this way? It may have, and an operator with a Jack Hammer might not even notice the drop to 50 PSI when he pulls the trigger on the hammer, and at 50 PSI the throttle kicks up, RPM comes up, and then he's hammering at 80-90 PSI.

What puzzles me is, I've studied other unloader's on other screw compressors, and they seem way more complicated, and contain many more parts.
Also there are key components seen on most all screw compressors that are missing (from the factory) on this unit. No Minimum Pressure Valve, No Output Check Valve, No oil cooler Thermostatic Bypass Valve. It's like they left out parts to keep the price as cheap as possible.

I'd sure like to find another one of these units and test it to see if the pressure drop is similar. If it comes to a worst case scenario, I'm already exploring options, and have a plan to add some parts to enable it to unload electrically (12VDC) with a pressure switch similar to most electric motor driven compressors that have the "constant run" setup.
There is an IR plant not to far from me, and I've been told about a retired engineer that worked in the compressor research lab. I'm going to track him down and see if he'll let me pick his brain a bit.

Sometimes a piece of equipment requires some sorting and patience before it settles down into something useful. I get that. Been there-done that more than once.
The part I dislike is when Mr. Murphy feels he needs to come work along side me and "help".....
Like when I was doing some testing and a piece of rubber weather stripping worked loose, and wormed it's way into the oil cooler fan shroud...
I heard a "bang" and it turns out the end of the weather strip went INTO the plastic fan and cleaned 7 of the 8 blades off of it.
Now I've gone to the bone yard, and have a steel fan off of a S10 pickup I'm building a hub for.
Problems, problems....but soon it will settle down, the Gremlins and Murphy will get their fill and move on....
I never give up, but I'm (still) glad the previous owner did!
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Yes, it was a 100# lp bottle.

Old pressure washer hose for the sand. Old valve on the bottom to regulate and a long wand. Holds about 250#.
 

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How about post some pics of the valves so we can have a look.

I've managed to gather parts together to convert the IR portable to electro-pneumatic control. Including a digital pressure switch/ pressure gauge from EBAY, a solenoid valve, air cylinder, etc. The pressure switch allows a differential pressure range as small as 2 PSI. I will set it up for about 10 PSI.

The parts are here, but I haven't been in the shop much. I'm preoccupied with my GF having both knees replaced. She's doing well with recovery at this point.

To be continued..........:thumbup:
 

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Still here...just been really busy with staffing issues and maintenance. Spent all day repairing one of our ovens - replaced the firebox motor, shaft bearings, and the heat slinger that decided to explode the yesterday. I'll try to remember to take some pics next week. The setup is an Eaton/Polar 40hp screw compressor, 240 gal tank, and a polar air dryer. This feeds the 3 blast cabinets, the blast booth, 3 paint/powder booths. The 40hp compressor gets pretty taxed if the blast booth and a blast cabinet or two is running at the same time. We'll be upgrading to a 60 or 75 hp at some point.
 

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Here are some photos of our Air compressor system. Eaton/Polar Air 40 hp compresor (about 8 years old), 240 gal tank, and Polar Air dryer.


 
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