Harbor Freight 3 Ton Daytona Jack Versus Snap On FJ300 Jack
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Can one of you guys who purchased this jack lay a tape measure across the front wheels and let me know how wide it is? (outside to outside) I want to buy this jack but I need it to fit in a jack holder that I made to fit one of my older jacks, which fits in the back of my truck..... It would save me a potentially wasted trip to HF. Thanks in advance!
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kd4gij
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It seems Snap=on is suing HF over this Jack.
https://www.biztimes.com/2016/09/22/snap-on-suing-harbor-freight-over-floor-jacks/
https://www.biztimes.com/2016/09/22/snap-on-suing-harbor-freight-over-floor-jacks/
pedrodagr8
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Aleady been discussed several times in this thread.
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My new Daytona takes 4 and a 1/4 pumps to get to full height.
guy48065
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Well I'm not going to read all 17 pages either but I AM curious if it's been discussed exactly WHAT SnapOn was able to patent on their jack. It all looks like ordinary stuff to me except for shape. I don't believe you can patent appearance...
The linked article is short on facts.
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It is a design patent not a device/functionality patent. Design patents are the easiest to get around in general because they only protect how something looks. They are saying the designs are similar enough that they can be confused. They actually have cited this thread as evidence that they are too similar to the general public. It will be interesting to see how this shakes out. At first glance they ARE similar, but there is also only so many ways you can design a jack (which the court will take into consideration). Additionally, at last check, design patents cover a design but not user impressions (thought I might be wrong on this, a lawyer can weigh in and correct me). Trademarks are used when it comes to use impressions.
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guy48065
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I did some Googling after I posted and found what you state is true. I wasn't aware that there is a completely different type of patent for appearance and design.
I think SO just wanted some press that makes HF look like thieves. Comments in that Milwaukee news article (previous link) just finds people accusing SO of whining over losing business to far cheaper competition.
There's enough differences in shape, wheel size, color, graphics, etc that HF will prevail, IMO.
I think SO just wanted some press that makes HF look like thieves. Comments in that Milwaukee news article (previous link) just finds people accusing SO of whining over losing business to far cheaper competition.
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bubinga
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How do You like your new, Harbor Freight 3 Ton Daytona Jack?
General Geoff
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UPDATE: Daytona jack is still going strong, I also discovered that it's low enough to slide completely under my lowest car (2006 Lincoln Zephyr) from behind, and jack the whole rear end from the rear suspension subframe centerpoint. My old 3-ton HF jack could not do that. HUGE time saver.
I find myself working on my vehicles more often now, just because it's so much less hassle to get them off the ground.
I find myself working on my vehicles more often now, just because it's so much less hassle to get them off the ground.
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This jack is REALY good. I have been around lots of shops and tried their jacks, used my buddies jacks, and my last 2 jacks were Torin 3.5 ton and Torin 3 ton (which I returned to Pep Boys after 1 use because it was so crappy). We have 2 land cruisers that I like to wrench on and this jack is great. Sturdy, lifts fast, long, greaseable. It has all the high end features. I think this is another HF "gem."
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Kamanhart
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Stopped in to the local Harbor Freight last night to pick on of these up. They were changing up the display and I ended up picking it up for $159 as it was the floor model, perfect condition minus the box. The manager mentioned something about how it was a big deal and every store had to redo the jacks display blah blah. It makes me wonder if its not in part to the lawsuit, they didnt have the new one up yet or i would have snapped the pic.
WWheeler
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FWIW just recently there has been one ebay seller after another unloading 10 or more of these Daytona jacks for right around $100 each w/ free shipping. No doubt it sounds a little sketchy for that price and especially as they all seem to be listed by new sellers with little to no previous ebay sales ratings, though there has been a few that have had a handful of feedback from very satisfied-sounding buyers of these jacks from them. I've been watching the listings come up over and over for a couple weeks now waffling over whether I would rather take the gamble or not, and at that price they keep selling out very quick.
I was googling around wondering how on earth it was possible to have free shipping on a +100 lb jack for that price when I stumbled on this thread. Is it possible it's Harbor Freight unloading excess stock of these things just because of the lawsuit? I don't know. For that price I am considering buying one. Just thought I'd mention it here.
The main reason I started shopping these things on ebay and elsewhere is because for the last month or so I'd been wanting one I found that the only local Harbor Freight to me doesn't stock them at all. First trip there no one seemed to know what I was talking about and on the second I took a copy of the online sales page & the manager said they do not have any nor do they plan to get any. He suggested I could order it online which I haven't ruled out but that just adds another $7 for shipping plus the main advantage of buying from HF for me would be the warranty & HF's customer service, but if the only store near me doesn't sell them I don't know what that's worth.
I do really want one of these jacks. Wondering what any of you think? Has anyone dealt with HF customer service on an online order before?
EDIT: What the heck. I went ahead and took the gamble and placed an order on ebay. I haven't done much buying there before and I noticed that none of the sellers offer returns but eBay does say they have a "Money Back Guarantee if you received an item that is not as described in the listing." If it's not all that it's supposed to be I'll chalk it up as a lesson learned and order from HF while I try and jump through ebay's hoops to get my money back.
I'll post back here if & when my ebay gamble arrives. Fingers crossed.
I was googling around wondering how on earth it was possible to have free shipping on a +100 lb jack for that price when I stumbled on this thread. Is it possible it's Harbor Freight unloading excess stock of these things just because of the lawsuit? I don't know. For that price I am considering buying one. Just thought I'd mention it here.
The main reason I started shopping these things on ebay and elsewhere is because for the last month or so I'd been wanting one I found that the only local Harbor Freight to me doesn't stock them at all. First trip there no one seemed to know what I was talking about and on the second I took a copy of the online sales page & the manager said they do not have any nor do they plan to get any. He suggested I could order it online which I haven't ruled out but that just adds another $7 for shipping plus the main advantage of buying from HF for me would be the warranty & HF's customer service, but if the only store near me doesn't sell them I don't know what that's worth.
I do really want one of these jacks. Wondering what any of you think? Has anyone dealt with HF customer service on an online order before?
EDIT: What the heck. I went ahead and took the gamble and placed an order on ebay. I haven't done much buying there before and I noticed that none of the sellers offer returns but eBay does say they have a "Money Back Guarantee if you received an item that is not as described in the listing." If it's not all that it's supposed to be I'll chalk it up as a lesson learned and order from HF while I try and jump through ebay's hoops to get my money back.
I'll post back here if & when my ebay gamble arrives. Fingers crossed.
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Harbor Freight is a large Nationwide retailer. They have absolutely no reason to be "scared" of Snap-on. I highly doubt HF is blowing out their inventory on eBay. If they really needed to blow out their inventory, they could easily do it in their own stores, or on their own website, without giving eBay a cut. After all, that's what their website and stores are for.... selling things. You know what they say, any time a deal is too good to be true, it usually is.
Buyer beware!
Buyer beware!
WWheeler
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Yeah, after reading that I'm inclined to agree with every word of it, but I had already just took the plunge. Just in the last hour or so the listing I was watching went from 10 sold to 17 sold to 21 sold ... and I gave in. It does seem to be a deal too good to be true though I will admit.
Either way I promise to post back here with an update on whether my gamble paid off or didn't.
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I'm pretty sure you will get your money back. I'm glad you posted this. I was going to do the same thing order on eBay for $100. Hope everything turns out good.
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mrycar
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The ebay $100 daytona jack seems too good to be true, most sellers have low sales ratings.
If you don't buy something because it appears too good a deal, you will never find a good deal (and people on GJ report great deals all the time). Buying through ebay and using paypal provides protection to take the risk. Good luck.
I just looked at the eBay listings. It's weird that the little bit of feedback those sellers have are as buyers. None of those sellers have sold on eBay in the past. It is very tempting I will agree. I also see they mentioned nothing about the 3-year warranty in the eBay listings...
WWheeler
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Yeah, that was my worry I alluded to in my post, but not all of them. Here's one screenshot of a seller that was selling 10 or so of them last week for $109 and sold out, and now wouldn't you know it just after I ordered from a different seller who doesn't have any seller reviews yet I see that this guy's just re-listed some more of them again...
Like I said in my earlier post. There's other sellers too who likewise were selling them who had no seller ratings and only after they sold out did these ratings later start showing up in their profiles. That's what got me thinking maybe just maybe this isn't all just some sort of scam. I'm not saying it's not. I guess I'm going to find out.
I still think it's possible that Harbor Freight is unloading these on the down-low if only because trying to dump them at a discount through their stores might risk being construed as an admission that Snap-On's lawsuit has merit. I hope it's something like that. Either that or it doesn't make any sense how these are selling at that price unless maybe it's a batch that's known defective or something like that.
In any case I'm sure buying this route is void of any warranty. Again, I guess I'm going to find out.
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Somebody will still argue the $500 Chinese red one is better.
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Have you ever actually touched a "$500 Chinese red one". Let's see your Daytona pick up 550s everyday. Hell even a one ton. We also had "the beast" from Matco and it didn't compare
It's been posted pretty obviously they aren't the same thing.
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And, I've followed this thread from the very begining and I must have missed the posts where it's proven the HF jack is absolutely different from the SO jack. Can you give me a link or a post # where this proof is located, please?
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The last 17 pages..
The only thing similar is they look similar but damn sure not identical. No different than them ripping off IR for impacts
The only thing similar is they look similar but damn sure not identical. No different than them ripping off IR for impacts
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It's just like the people who tell you a harbor freight earth quake is on the same level as an IR gun. $ vs value for homeowners. I've been watching for anyone beside homeowners to post experience anywhere. I'm not spending $200 just to see it turn into a pretzel lol
Yes I have "touched" one. No more special than the Daytona. If lifts and releases. Nothing magical.
Why wouldn't it be able to lift a 550?
If you are lifting 550s all day every day I think it's time to invest in something other than a floor jack
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Well it's obvious they're not identical. You would have to be blind to think they're identical. I'm looking for information that shows they're different mechanically or structurally. I haven't seen any proof or evidence that they are different in that aspect.
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A few pages back someone circled all the structural differences
General Geoff
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A few people have mentioned seeing the Daytonas being used at local tire shops, sounds to me like a followup is in order!
HF wouldn't be sending them out the door with a 3 year warranty if they couldn't handle the full 3 ton rating, over and over again, for years.
HF wouldn't be sending them out the door with a 3 year warranty if they couldn't handle the full 3 ton rating, over and over again, for years.
Art From De Leon
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The fact that they are already being sold at far less than HF sells them for, tells me that they fall in the same category as all the rest of the junk that HF has made its 'reputation' on.
I hope that Snap on presses this as much as they possibly can, and continues their legal action to include the rest of the Snap-on clones that HF tries to pass of as 'equal'.
I hope that Snap on presses this as much as they possibly can, and continues their legal action to include the rest of the Snap-on clones that HF tries to pass of as 'equal'.
Mgnu
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Lol at the GJ-Snap-Freight thread devolution. Very similar to the Presidential election cycle **** on the Newstainment channels.
Burgerkong
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You do realize that they're all most likely scams right?
ajchien
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Hiball, you've made me feel a lot better. I thought I was the only one in the world that kept getting "dud" jacks. Ive gone through 4 made in china jacks, they've laste 3 months to 1.5 years before they leaked. Leaky jacks are simply annoying. Puddles on your floor, and needing to refill the reservoir occasionally. I'm currently using a rebuilt 70year old walker that is happily going 3+ years.
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why wouldn't it? just use some dunnage or a scrap 6x6 block or whatever you got. sometimes i use firewood rounds. **** sometimes i use firewood rounds for jack stands, too. and if i don't want to drag my jack out i just stack up 2x4's in a ramp pattern and drive up those lol