Above 1200 Sq/FT Cleaning Up My Shop

[Bob Heine]

Here's a picture of the glass case my buddy bought me for $12.

The 4" Wilton arrived yesterday. There was a flat surface on top of the welding machine which had not been filled recently. It makes a good size indicator.

We had a big earthquake here this evening. Larger than anything I felt in California or Indonesia. It started with rolling thunder that got louder, very loud, and then shook pretty good for five seconds then less for 30 seconds. I've heard a few earthquakes here in the last six months but never heard any other earthquakes anywhere in the world. Just like rolling thunder but it is the ground grinding. I've heard buildings groan, but this is a distant loud sound, thunder. Pretty spooky. Anybody else hear earthquakes?

Andy, that wasn't an earthquake -- it was a collective groan from all your GJ followers when they saw that Coke machine post. You can expect a couple of after-groans for the case and the Wilton.

You do realize you are just being cruel, don't you.

 

[Guster]

We had a big earthquake here this evening. Larger than anything I felt in California or Indonesia. It started with rolling thunder that got louder, very loud, and then shook pretty good for five seconds then less for 30 seconds. I've heard a few earthquakes here in the last six months but never heard any other earthquakes anywhere in the world. Just like rolling thunder but it is the ground grinding. I've heard buildings groan, but this is a distant loud sound, thunder. Pretty spooky. Anybody else hear earthquakes?

No damage I hope.

P.S. Do they have beer in NZ?

We have frequent earthquakes and frequently have very good beer!

Was told the thundery sound of quakes is the sound of a new fracture(or is it fissure?) but is common with deep earthquakes that are closely located but softened due to its depth. Either way is pretty unnerving. I’ve heard one like that while I was in Christchurch. Auckland doesn’t get as many earthquakes even though they have recently been rolling up the country while our largest active volcano is simmering at the moment.

At least all 50 of the volcanos in Auckland are currently dormant and the beer is good.

Andy, that wasn't an earthquake -- it was a collective groan from all your GJ followers when they saw that Coke machine post. You can expect a couple of after-groans for the case and the Wilton.

You do realize you are just being cruel, don't you.

You might be onto something Bob. Groan of the glut, the glut of gloat.

I'd say it is just the sound of the new slab settling under the weight of all the loot. Perhaps the old slab suffering cast iron overload or sympathy pains of all the new stuff filling up space meant for existing stuff from the other ‘shops.

 

[oldironfarmer]

Nice old round top Coke machine.
I have a large collection of Coke stuff, including about 30 cases of old Coke.
I bought a Coke metal cooler at auction last week, for a decent price, it also had some 10" metal letters inside.
Here in Winfield was the very last privately owned Coca- Cola bottling factory. It closed about 10 years ago. I use to go down there and buy the old 6 1/2oz bottles by the cases. I have a few bottles that have Winfield Kansas on the bottom, nice for my collection.
I had a friend that worked as a delivery driver for 40 years, when he died the family took what they wanted from his personal collection, then sold me the rest. I have some very unusual stuff and a few very low number of stuff that was for employees only. Some was for different awards they won, or records they set from sales etc. I think I have a autographed picture from the President of Coke from back in the 40's or 50's? I have some metal cans of Coke made product that never became reality, just samples of what the can would look like.
I have a can that was a winner in a sweepstake, you pulled the metal tab and a plastic tab would float up the drink hole and let you know you won. I think it was for a grand prize of $100,000.00. Aien't that special
Yes I felt the earth move under my feet, and heard a weird noise around the hose. I told the wife it sounded like someone threw something against the house on the North side, then on the East side. I thought it was the wind throwing a limb, she said "NO" its an earthquake. I and thought she was more crazy! Kinda freaky!

Hey! Thanks for relating the story and your interest in Coke memorabilia. Great reading. The earthquake sound was something else. I keep wondering, are earthquakes weather?

Andy, that wasn't an earthquake -- it was a collective groan from all your GJ followers when they saw that Coke machine post. You can expect a couple of after-groans for the case and the Wilton.

You do realize you are just being cruel, don't you.

Did I do wrong? Just trying to keep my post updated with what is happening. I'm just a poor farmer trying to get me a decent place to work on my equipment so I can feed my cows.

No damage I hope.

Nope, no damage, I don't think Bob means anything by his harsh comments.

We have frequent earthquakes and frequently have very good beer!

Oh... no earthquake damage either.

Was told the thundery sound of quakes is the sound of a new fracture(or is it fissure?) but is common with deep earthquakes that are closely located but softened due to its depth. Either way is pretty unnerving. I’ve heard one like that while I was in Christchurch. Auckland doesn’t get as many earthquakes even though they have recently been rolling up the country while our largest active volcano is simmering at the moment.

That would make sense on the fissures, since it is becoming apparent that hydraulic fracturing is causing our rash of earthquakes. Pumping water into a formation until it pops open gives more room for more water.

At least all 50 of the volcanos in Auckland are currently dormant and the beer is good.

50 volcanoes in Auckland?

You might be onto something Bob. Groan of the glut, the glut of gloat.

No, I was not gloating on the unexpected glut of Wiltons. I suppose if I had been gloating I would have taken a picture of all of them together with new concrete in the background.

But I didn't do that, and I won't. It would be too much like gloating. But it was a good thought.

I'd say it is just the sound of the new slab settling under the weight of all the loot. Perhaps the old slab suffering cast iron overload or sympathy pains of all the new stuff filling up space meant for existing stuff from the other ‘shops.

Was I supposed to put old stuff in new space? Isn't that like new wine in old wineskins? I'm thinking new stuff for new space.

 

[neilc]

Andy

Are you near the fracking areas? I've read about the increased incidence of Oklahoma earthquakes and tremors and several reports have suggested they are due to the increased fracking.

Hope no cracks showed up in the new drywall or anything else!

Really appreciate the thread updates with progress and new finds!

neil

 

[Guster]

Did I do wrong? Just trying to keep my post updated with what is happening. I'm just a poor farmer trying to get me a decent place to work on my equipment so I can feed my cows.

Your absolute humility astounds me Andy. I don't know how you do it!

50 volcanoes in Auckland?

Yeah 50. Though some are getting pretty old and are more like a lake or a big dip in the land now.

http://sciencelearn.org.nz/Contexts/Volcanoes/Looking-Closer/Auckland-s-volcanoes
Still pretty impressive. I live just north of that little lake Pupuke which was apparently quite a decent spew. Not as much as Lake Taupo about 3 hours south which put Krakatoa to shame:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hatepe_eruption

But I didn't do that, and I won't. It would be too much like gloating. But it was a good thought.

Was I supposed to put old stuff in new space? Isn't that like new wine in old wineskins? I'm thinking new stuff for new space.

I dunno... that's usually why we build additions in'it?

Anyway, we have wine in glass bottles with screw tops and I never bothered putting wine back in the bottle. So empty bottles have no purpose other than taking up space in the recycling bin for another week.

 

[oldironfarmer]

Andy

Are you near the fracking areas? I've read about the increased incidence of Oklahoma earthquakes and tremors and several reports have suggested they are due to the increased fracking.

Hope no cracks showed up in the new drywall or anything else!

Really appreciate the thread updates with progress and new finds!

neil

Yes, they have fracked all around here. I'm believing the fracture pressure is causing fissures to open up based on what Guster said. We get a lot of sound from the earthquakes. Oklahoma is pretty pro-oil however the evidence is piling up that fracking (actually water disposal from fracking) is causing the tremors. They have shut down a lot of injection wells (which get rid of the water at a different elevation than the oil production) which is causing a lot of pain for the producers and royalty owners. They will come up with an alternative, like recycling the water instead of injecting it.

Thanks for stopping by, and for your observations!

 

[oldironfarmer]

Your absolute humility astounds me Andy. I don't know how you do it!

Like my signature says, I am quite proud of my contrite humility.

Yeah 50. Though some are getting pretty old and are more like a lake or a big dip in the land now.

http://sciencelearn.org.nz/Contexts/Volcanoes/Looking-Closer/Auckland-s-volcanoes
Still pretty impressive. I live just north of that little lake Pupuke which was apparently quite a decent spew. Not as much as Lake Taupo about 3 hours south which put Krakatoa to shame:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hatepe_eruption

Great reading. One of my projects was within sight of where Krakatoa was. Interesting spot... Everybody should follow those links. Very interesting. Living in Auckland is like living in Yellowstone, apparently. Do you by chance have geysers, or just geezers. (and Geusters)

I dunno... that's usually why we build additions in'it?

Anyway, we have wine in glass bottles with screw tops and I never bothered putting wine back in the bottle. So empty bottles have no purpose other than taking up space in the recycling bin for another week.

Actually my purpose of adding on was exactly that, to give me space to store items crowding the existing shop. Unfortunately the flat space conundrum is taking over and I'm rapidly filling the new space with stuff I just can't do without. Would you have turned down a $610 old Coke machine? The oil reservoirs? The four post lift? I still have high hopes that each item I buy is the last and there will be no clutter whatsoever in the entire shop after I'm done.

I hope my psychiatrist doesn't read that. It sounds a little delusional.

But, you know what, I'm having a GREAT trip "cleaning up my shop"

Glad to have you stop in! Even when you take me to task!

 

[oldironfarmer]

Planned to get a lot done today, then the cows took some time. They are kind of like a wife. When they need you, you best be there and take care of business. Shed can wait

Rain this morning, so I went up to the mezzanine to check for roof leaks. Everything is about sealed up but I've got one problem area where I can't figure out where the water is getting in. Not much, but it is going to be 100% before I let up. Anyway, on the way up I saw my stash of fire doors. Four eight footers, a ripped eight footer left of them, a folding display I used at craft shows, and finally a 7 ft fire door with a light (window). They make great work bench tops and table tops. The shelves in the broom shop are fire door pieces.

It is finally time to use them.

The key I had bought for the Coke machine on eBay was canceled, he could not find it. Key was $12, a replacement lock is $21 and I was really not wanting to wait. The face of the old lock was damaged a little from someone trying to pick it, so no guarantee the right key would open it anyway. So I bought a lock and immediately drilled out the old lock.

Surprisingly clean inside, no bottles, a couple of dollars in change. And it looks like the system is low on freon, the evaporator froze up. I'll probably get it recharged and see how long it lasts. Freon 12 is expensive and soon to be banned, but I figure the longer I wait the more options there are. Absolute worst case is replace the refrigeration unit with a modern efficient one.

Door label is in great shape

Refrigeration unit not too dirty

Coin changer is clean, unit has not been out in the weather, even the wiring diagram on the door is in good shape.

I was not planning to buy a Coke machine and really don't have time to mess with it, but couldn't resist looking inside. Back to work!

 

[oldironfarmer]

Back to work! Put cove base down in the foundry room (needed before setting air compressor). It's a little tedious to apply the adhesive but it goes on quickly then.

Also got it put down in the work bench area. I needed this area done to get a desk placed which has been in the way. (moved it out of the broom shop while I was bringing the broom machine back in, the broom machine traps it in those close quarters)

and outside the foundry door and paint booth door

Had a little trouble around one of the columns. The idea is to caulk the corners. Don't know if that will work.

So I wrapped one piece around the second post but had to clamp it to get the material to lay tight.

Grabbed a v-block to hold the end corner tight.

Also today, I finally got to use my new four post BendPak lift. That's been a long time coming. But it was the right tool for the job, anchoring the stick to put pressure on the v-block.

Then laid out for the filter wall and doors on the paint booth. Need that wall in before I install electrical system to make sure the lights are spaced properly. Going to be a nine foot opening with two 54" doors 84" high.

Wall framing tomorrow, then sheetrock and you get to see me finish sheetrock. The good, bad, and the ugly.

 

[oldironfarmer]

Guster: I happened on my broom thread where you had asked about my mill, and I missed responding to your question.

My mill is a Webb (Taiwan clone of a Bridgeport) with an R8 head, table is 9"x55" with power feed on long axis and two axis DRO. 3 hp 3 ph motor with a home made phase converter.

I'll post a picture if there's any interest.

 

[Terrick down Under]

please do..post the pic of the mill.

 

[drivesitfar]

OIF: I remember an earthquake in 1963 that was loud and shook for about 20-30 seconds and i think it was a 6.8. i was only 7 and felt that one pretty good. then when we had another one that big i had clients in my car and i couldn't feel a thing driving down the road and we were in a bad part of town and people were running out of their homes and buildings so kept on driving and couldn't believe it was that big when we heard about it later. we have small 2 an 3 rated earthquakes and up to 5 fairly often, but the only one i remember being noisy was the one in 1963. maybe you guys get them cause you sucked all the oil out of the earth that was keeping things in place down below? not sure if that's my theory of if true, but my story and i'm sticking to it.

I love your optimism about the Coke machine's compressor area being fairly clean and wish you the best on that project cause it looks like fun. also what are you planning on putting in the glass case?

great work on the shop as per usual and i've never liked using that vinyl baseboard trim, but looks like it's working for you. great idea with the clamps and V Block and funny comment about being able to use your lift.

just so you know a few of the members also like vises and since you like Wiltons you might like one member's post showing just a few of his. you've got a ways to go if you want to catch up, but i like your variety of stuff. Coke machine, old blue car, caboose. cows, etc....

cheers and have another great SATURDAY.

 

[1/2 Cup]

Andy, your base coving gives the rooms a nice clean look.

 

[sublime68charger]

just got started on this thread and I'm up to page 5, can't wait for the other adventures and treasures I find as I go through this!!!

great work so far and I'll be back to post what else I find cool and interesting as I read though this epic thread!

 

[Guster]

Coving looks good. Haven’t seen that particular product before. Might have to look into it if/when I redo the chipboard walls in my workshop.

Actually my purpose of adding on was exactly that, to give me space to store items crowding the existing shop. Unfortunately the flat space conundrum is taking over and I'm rapidly filling the new space with stuff I just can't do without. Would you have turned down a $610 old Coke machine? The oil reservoirs? The four post lift? I still have high hopes that each item I buy is the last and there will be no clutter whatsoever in the entire shop after I'm done.

I hope my psychiatrist doesn't read that. It sounds a little delusional.

But, you know what, I'm having a GREAT trip "cleaning up my shop"

Glad to have you stop in! Even when you take me to task!

As most psychiatrists would say:
First step - see a professional or get some concrete quotes.
Second step is to admit you have a problem – not enough shed space.
Third step is to do something about it – build an addition and fill it with more stuff.
Fourth step – wait a minute…
Oops my 5 minutes are up, see you next week.

Don’t know about Coke machines. But I can see the benefit of sitting back with a cold one, on another nice Saturday, while marvelling at Vicky’s curvaceous bodywork(wondering about her little oil leak) and enjoying retirement. No point doing anything if there is not some fun to be had.

Too hard to take you to task mate. You are keeping busy and having more fun than most. Nothing wrong with that.

You even have a caboose!

Guster: I happened on my broom thread where you had asked about my mill, and I missed responding to your question.

My mill is a Webb (Taiwan clone of a Bridgeport) with an R8 head, table is 9"x55" with power feed on long axis and two axis DRO. 3 hp 3 ph motor with a home made phase converter.

I'll post a picture if there's any interest.

Forgot I even asked… Think I’ve since seen it. Then again is there ever a reason not to post a picture?

maybe you guys get them cause you sucked all the oil out of the earth that was keeping things in place down below? not sure if that's my theory of if true, but my story and i'm sticking to it.

Like getting water in your oil!

While I am open minded to the idea, I’m not totally convinced fracking will increase the occurrence of earthquakes. It may cause localised stability issues like collapsing subterranean caves and sinkholes which can be pretty rumbly. However earthquakes happen on a tectonic scale and fracking is merely mucking around the surface by comparison. Fracking would have to take place over an enormous region along a fissure to introduce enough instability to affect tectonic action at that scale. More concerned about what it does to our groundwater supplies and what they do with the stuff they pump out.

If anything, France and US have been doing deep subterranean nuclear weapons tests in Nevada and out here in the Pacific for decades and that is without looking into what any of the other nuclear capable nations have been up to. How about them apples?

 

[Bob Heine]

Guster, you are probably right. This map of Oklahoma shows more than a few holes in the ground. I don't know how many would be required to cause an earthquake but it looks like the experiment is well under way.

http://www.drillingmaps.com/oklahoma.html#.WCIzECQjwwB

As I understand fracking, each of those vertical holes makes a 90-degree turn and creates a quarter-mile long horizontal hole. A series of explosions, followed by a 15,000 psi squirt forces the fluid into the shale formation. A single well uses just 6,000,000 gallons of water to get the job done. The "Shale Stuff" website explains the process better than I can (http://shalestuff.com/education/fracking/fracking).

 

[Guster]

Guster, you are probably right. This map of Oklahoma shows more than a few holes in the ground. I don't know how many would be required to cause an earthquake but it looks like the experiment is well under way.

--

http://www.drillingmaps.com/oklahoma.html#.WCIzECQjwwB

As I understand fracking, each of those vertical holes makes a 90-degree turn and creates a quarter-mile long horizontal hole. A series of explosions, followed by a 15,000 psi squirt forces the fluid into the shale formation. A single well uses just 6,000,000 gallons of water to get the job done. The "Shale Stuff" website explains the process better than I can (http://shalestuff.com/education/fracking/fracking).

Yup, right on with the fracking*. Holey Oklahoma! Wow... that is a lot of holes!

Don't get me wrong - there is definitely no argument being made here. I'm never surprised at the effects of human interaction on our little ball of dirt(with a gooey centre). Especially the cumulative nature of it and maybe, that is just it. The unknown quantity of our cumulative action.

Just curious how much scratching around 2.5km deep affects a continental plate which is 30-50km deep and by no means solid to start with. Especially when we have been making lots of larger holes and blowing stuff up for ages.

* PS. Am I the only Battlestar Galactica geek that loves to use the word fracking?

 

[y'sguy]

Ok, I guess I'll be the one to post this.
You didn't know they made these right?
I'm not that far down the street if you need more help.

https://www.lowes.com/pd/FLEXCO-30-Pack-4-in-W-x-0-25-ft-L-Black-Dahlia-Vinyl-Outside-Corner-Wall-Base/50191967?cm_mmc=SCE_PLA_ONLY-_-Flooring-_-SosVinylFloorCovering-_-50191967:FLEXCO&CAWELAID=&kpid=50191967&CAGPSPN=pla&k_clickID=eb90e5b2-1f6a-4e64-8317-47e6f45a6f55

 

[neilc]

Really nice work on the base shoe.

I've done outside vinyl corners by cutting a 'v' vertical groove on the inside at the corner using a box cutter and slightly heating the bottom external taper to allow it to more gracefully wrap.

I seem to recall some youtube videos on installing vinyl base that might be of interest, Andy.

 

[oldironfarmer]

OIF: I remember an earthquake in 1963 that was loud and shook for about 20-30 seconds and i think it was a 6.8. i was only 7 and felt that one pretty good. then when we had another one that big i had clients in my car and i couldn't feel a thing driving down the road and we were in a bad part of town and people were running out of their homes and buildings so kept on driving and couldn't believe it was that big when we heard about it later. we have small 2 an 3 rated earthquakes and up to 5 fairly often, but the only one i remember being noisy was the one in 1963. maybe you guys get them cause you sucked all the oil out of the earth that was keeping things in place down below? not sure if that's my theory of if true, but my story and i'm sticking to it.

Sucking the oil out is likely not it, since the oil is in a porous rock formation. Except oil which is in a formation which has to be hydraulically fractured. Sand is pumped in those formations under extreme pressures and the sand props open the cracks which are made in the rock, letting the oil flow back out. Fracturing or fracking uses lots of water to inject and all that water comes back out and is usually injected into another formation. That injection process is being blamed on the earthquakes. Most oil comes out with salt water which is returned to the earth in disposal wells. Most disposal wells operate at a vacuum at the surface, sucking the water right down into the ground.

I love your optimism about the Coke machine's compressor area being fairly clean and wish you the best on that project cause it looks like fun. also what are you planning on putting in the glass case?

I have seen compressor areas of old coolers much much dirtier and clogged with lint and debris. It is not clean

The glass case is for Skelly memorabilia and the normal things found in a service station case: air gauges, candy and gum, etc.

great work on the shop as per usual and i've never liked using that vinyl baseboard trim, but looks like it's working for you. great idea with the clamps and V Block and funny comment about being able to use your lift.

I don't really care for the cove base however it is economical and quite fit for purpose for this type of installation. Wooden trim would have taken a LOT of material and a lot of work. I was glad to start using my lift, finally

just so you know a few of the members also like vises and since you like Wiltons you might like one member's post showing just a few of his. you've got a ways to go if you want to catch up, but i like your variety of stuff. Coke machine, old blue car, caboose. cows, etc....

cheers and have another great SATURDAY.

That Wilton collection is very impressive. I do collect farm tractors and have somewhere over 50 of them. Most everything else I have is intended for use, I think.

Thanks for stopping in!

Andy, your base coving gives the rooms a nice clean look.

Thank you sir! It's really an "unseen" portion of a building. I've had it in my bathroom (for mopping) for several years and it is working great.

Thanks for the visit!

just got started on this thread and I'm up to page 5, can't wait for the other adventures and treasures I find as I go through this!!!

great work so far and I'll be back to post what else I find cool and interesting as I read though this epic thread!

Thanks for taking the time! As you've read, my primary goal is to get motivated and posting a thread absolutely does that for me.

Hope you enjoy the story and looking n on my corner of the world! My intention is to clean each area of my shop after I get the new addition finished.

 

[oldironfarmer]

Coving looks good. Haven’t seen that particular product before. Might have to look into it if/when I redo the chipboard walls in my workshop.

We see it a lot in schools and hospitals, a lot of commercial buildings, even office buildings laid with carpet. It's rather dear in 4 ft lengths, but I bought 120 ft rolls which are fairly economical.

As most psychiatrists would say:
First step - see a professional or get some concrete quotes.
Second step is to admit you have a problem – not enough shed space.
Third step is to do something about it – build an addition and fill it with more stuff.
Fourth step – wait a minute…
Oops my 5 minutes are up, see you next week.

There you go folks, that's how it works! If you have ever consulted a psychiatrist, they are great fun. Their goal is to make you feel good about yourself. I love it but only if it is free

Don’t know about Coke machines. But I can see the benefit of sitting back with a cold one, on another nice Saturday, while marvelling at Vicky’s curvaceous bodywork(wondering about her little oil leak) and enjoying retirement. No point doing anything if there is not some fun to be had.

I agree on having fun. I don't have much of a life, apparently, because I do not consume any alcohol. Following the path of my parents. I was a sometime obedient child. In a few areas. Probably should have avoided *** too

Too hard to take you to task mate. You are keeping busy and having more fun than most. Nothing wrong with that.

You even have a caboose!

We need to get everyone to post pictures of their Cabeese. Or caboose, Or cabooses. Maybe I'll start that one, I haven't seen it yet.

Forgot I even asked… Think I’ve since seen it. Then again is there ever a reason not to post a picture?

OK, I'll get one, the hold up is it might be cluttered

Like getting water in your oil!

While I am open minded to the idea, I’m not totally convinced fracking will increase the occurrence of earthquakes. It may cause localised stability issues like collapsing subterranean caves and sinkholes which can be pretty rumbly. However earthquakes happen on a tectonic scale and fracking is merely mucking around the surface by comparison. Fracking would have to take place over an enormous region along a fissure to introduce enough instability to affect tectonic action at that scale. More concerned about what it does to our groundwater supplies and what they do with the stuff they pump out.

Yeah, that was what everyone thought, but we've never had earthquakes of any consequence before. Could be global warming, I suppose.

If anything, France and US have been doing deep subterranean nuclear weapons tests in Nevada and out here in the Pacific for decades and that is without looking into what any of the other nuclear capable nations have been up to. How about them apples?

Of course a nuclear explosion is a temporary pressure event in a small area. Fracking is more or less long term pressure increase.

Maybe I should change my thread name to "Frack It!"

Guster, you are probably right. This map of Oklahoma shows more than a few holes in the ground. I don't know how many would be required to cause an earthquake but it looks like the experiment is well under way.

http://www.drillingmaps.com/oklahoma.html#.WCIzECQjwwB

As I understand fracking, each of those vertical holes makes a 90-degree turn and creates a quarter-mile long horizontal hole. A series of explosions, followed by a 15,000 psi squirt forces the fluid into the shale formation. A single well uses just 6,000,000 gallons of water to get the job done. The "Shale Stuff" website explains the process better than I can (http://shalestuff.com/education/fracking/fracking).

Nice description Bob (I've got one smart skid steer). Most wells around here (including the one I have an interest in) are about a mile horizontal. Some 3,000 feet deep, then a relatively sharp 90 degree turn, then 4,000 to 5,000 feet horizontal. But interestingly, the horizontal pay zone may be very small, maybe 30 ft thick. So they use a nuclear detector in the drill bit to detect the rock they are drilling and adjust the bit up or down to follow the pay zone. Fracking fantastic technology.

Yup, right on with the fracking*. Holey Oklahoma! Wow... that is a lot of holes!

Well, there are maybe a thousand horizontal wells in Oklahoma, but pushing 300,000 total wells drilled for oil and gas in the last 120 years. That's right, about 3,000 wells per year for over a hundred years. Up to 12,000 wells in a single year. That is, by the way, a lot of activity for something like an oil well which takes a lot of money, planning, materials, contractors, and approvals ot make it happen.

Don't get me wrong - there is definitely no argument being made here. I'm never surprised at the effects of human interaction on our little ball of dirt(with a gooey centre). Especially the cumulative nature of it and maybe, that is just it. The unknown quantity of our cumulative action.

Gooey center. Geotechnical energy is seemingly inexhaustible but what do we do if we chill the center of the earth?

Just curious how much scratching around 2.5km deep affects a continental plate which is 30-50km deep and by no means solid to start with. Especially when we have been making lots of larger holes and blowing stuff up for ages.

* PS. Am I the only Battlestar Galactica geek that loves to use the word fracking?

Fracking NO! Lot's of us love it! It just cracks me up

Ok, I guess I'll be the one to post this.
You didn't know they made these right?
I'm not that far down the street if you need more help.

https://www.lowes.com/pd/FLEXCO-30-Pack-4-in-W-x-0-25-ft-L-Black-Dahlia-Vinyl-Outside-Corner-Wall-Base/50191967?cm_mmc=SCE_PLA_ONLY-_-Flooring-_-SosVinylFloorCovering-_-50191967:FLEXCO&CAWELAID=&kpid=50191967&CAGPSPN=pla&k_clickID=eb90e5b2-1f6a-4e64-8317-47e6f45a6f55

Come on out and help! Yes I knew they made the individual corner pieces. Which results in more joints, and the potential of adhesive failure and peeling material. The gym where I do Zumba has those. The material I bought claims it can be wrapped around a corner without cutting. Not exactly my experience. But it is a garage...

But I could use some help!

Thanks for stopping in.

Really nice work on the base shoe.

I've done outside vinyl corners by cutting a 'v' vertical groove on the inside at the corner using a box cutter and slightly heating the bottom external taper to allow it to more gracefully wrap.

I seem to recall some youtube videos on installing vinyl base that might be of interest, Andy.

Thanks for the advice. I thought about looking for instructions, but didn't think I needed it I have supervised installation of cove base but not actually done it myself until now. I tried cutting a miter and it may be OK when I trim the outside. Unfortunately I'm about done with outside corners unless I redo the really bad one.

Thanks for stopping in!

 

[Guster]

Very interesting. Living in Auckland is like living in Yellowstone, apparently. Do you by chance have geysers, or just geezers. (and Geusters)

Strangely no. Despite all the bumps and dips we only have a few thermal wells but nothing as impressive as a geysers. For that you have to go south a bit towards the center of the north island where it is very, very active. Rotarua permanently smells of brimstone.

Then to national park with volcanoes the grumble and spit a bit every few years. The largest(Ruapehu) is a popular ski resort like Mt. Fuji and has a crater lake that causes a lahar every now and then. Its sibling Ngarahoe erupted a few years ago and Ruapehu is currently on alert. It has a natural cycle of eruption every 5-10 years and last erupted almost 20 years ago when I arrived here. They say that if it goes it should be a good one. White island off east the coast is also currently grumbling.

 

[oldironfarmer]

Strangely no. Despite all the bumps and dips we only have a few thermal wells but nothing as impressive as a geysers. For that you have to go south a bit towards the center of the north island where it is very, very active. Rotarua permanently smells of brimstone.

Then to national park with volcanoes the grumble and spit a bit every few years. The largest(Ruapehu) is a popular ski resort like Mt. Fuji and has a crater lake that causes a lahar every now and then. Its sibling Ngarahoe erupted a few years ago and Ruapehu is currently on alert. It has a natural cycle of eruption every 5-10 years and last erupted almost 20 years ago when I arrived here. They say that if it goes it should be a good one. White island off east the coast is also currently grumbling.

Very interesting. I never knew NZ was so volcanic. Not surprising, I guess, since islands in the ocean seem to all come from volcanic activity.

20 years ago when you arrived, are you a NZ native?

My dad spent some time in Christchurch while supporting the Ski C-130's during the 1963/64 Antarctica expedition. He loved it.

Thanks for the comments!

 

[oldironfarmer]

Cool productive day here today.

Got the plenum wall for filtering air exiting the spray booth laid out and framed up today. Decided to go with 20" by 20" filters, so the studs are on 21-1/2" centers to match filter dimension.

No filter frames other than stops inside the squares. My plan is to have inlet air filters high in the doors and exit filters low on the exit wall. The exit wall forms a plenum to feed the exhaust fan on the far wall.

A few calculations indicate that ten filters will be plenty for 600 cfm I expect the fan to move.

Put up almost all the sheetrock on this wall. Just need a little more on the near side of the door jamb. Everything else will be painted and have filters. I don't believe there is a downside to having too many filters, just longer time between filter changes.

Now I have to go ahead and figure out how to mount the fan and exhaust louver. It will be tight working inside the plenum but I've lost weight.

Also finished framing the wall for the doors.

I could have framed the entrance wall and had the sheetrockers cover it, but I really wanted to try some cars in it before I placed the plenum. The blue car likes it in there, so I let it stay and watch the construction.

 

[1/2 Cup]

Andy, productivity plus, well done..

 

[drivesitfar]

OIF: interesting read about all the drilling and holes in the earth in your state and area. not sure what causes earthquakes, but like i said having all that old dinosaur crude come out of the ground (and the water) can't help.

in case you might want to send out your COKE machine another GJ member just had his restored that is sort of similar to yours (i didn't look that close) and his came back amazing. he has a nice little man cave and garage too so here's the link that might give you a few ideas for yours.

http://www.garagejournal.com/forum/showthread.php?t=297365

one of the members and i thought that a WOODWORKING 101 thread might be a good thing for GJ since there are a few of us that like to turn a piece of old wood into something we like looking at so i'll keep you posted if you would like me to and we decided to put in GENERAL TOOLS since fabrication doesn't get many member's eyes. i'm pretty sure you'll have a thing or two to teach us and maybe you might learn something too.

keep up the great work and of course the stories and conversation is a big reason why i keep stopping in to check to see what you are up to.

cheers

 

[Guster]

That angle on the back wall suddenly makes a whole lot of sense with the addition of the 'filter wall' and the location of the venting fan.

Very interesting. I never knew NZ was so volcanic. Not surprising, I guess, since islands in the ocean seem to all come from volcanic activity.

20 years ago when you arrived, are you a NZ native?

My dad spent some time in Christchurch while supporting the Ski C-130's during the 1963/64 Antarctica expedition. He loved it.

Complete with black iron sand beaches and pumice all along the west coast of the north island. Quite eerie seeing boulders and rocks that float(pumice)

Been in NZ half my life but born in South Africa. Funnily enough my dad serviced C-130s for the SAAF during the Angolan war providing air support to the US fighting Russian+Castro's forces over there.

Last weekend I machined down my dad's gantry car/trolly to fit a slightly smaller beam width. It has these amazing cross bolts in them which turns out to be from replaced bolts out of C-130 landing gear.

Oh... and don't get me started swooning on about C-130s(Hercules)... such an amazing plane. That and the A-10(my other fave)

one of the members and i thought that a WOODWORKING 101 thread might be a good thing for GJ since there are a few of us that like to turn a piece of old wood into something we like looking at so i'll keep you posted if you would like me to and we decided to put in GENERAL TOOLS since fabrication doesn't get many member's eyes. i'm pretty sure you'll have a thing or two to teach us and maybe you might learn something too.

There are a few of us will be all over that!

 

[drivesitfar]

OIF, GUSTER & ALL: here's the link for the Woodworking 101 thread that i'm sure all of you have something to add even if it's just about putting trim up on a window or planing a piece of wood (safely).

http://www.garagejournal.com/forum/showthread.php?t=344153

I've always wanted to learn more about Wood and how to become more of a wood worker and not a Butcher so i'm hoping this thread will help me while it's hopefully helping others.

cheers

 

[oldironfarmer]

Andy, productivity plus, well done..

Thanks so much! I appreciate the visit!

OIF: interesting read about all the drilling and holes in the earth in your state and area. not sure what causes earthquakes, but like i said having all that old dinosaur crude come out of the ground (and the water) can't help.

in case you might want to send out your COKE machine another GJ member just had his restored that is sort of similar to yours (i didn't look that close) and his came back amazing. he has a nice little man cave and garage too so here's the link that might give you a few ideas for yours.

http://www.garagejournal.com/forum/showthread.php?t=297365

Nice! Unfortunately I seem to be a DIY fanatic. Haven't tried DIY dental work yet, but why not?

one of the members and i thought that a WOODWORKING 101 thread might be a good thing for GJ since there are a few of us that like to turn a piece of old wood into something we like looking at so i'll keep you posted if you would like me to and we decided to put in GENERAL TOOLS since fabrication doesn't get many member's eyes. i'm pretty sure you'll have a thing or two to teach us and maybe you might learn something too.

I'll check it out. I'm always open to learning new things. Some guys come up with amazingly simple ways to do old tasks.

keep up the great work and of course the stories and conversation is a big reason why i keep stopping in to check to see what you are up to.

cheers

Thanks for stopping in, and the comments!

That angle on the back wall suddenly makes a whole lot of sense with the addition of the 'filter wall' and the location of the venting fan.

I was hesitant to install the plenum wall and give up some space. But it allows more uniform flow through the filters by having a relatively large space behind the filters and away from the fan suction. But the angle the walk through door is in was angled only to allow access to the foundry room without going through the paint booth.

Complete with black iron sand beaches and pumice all along the west coast of the north island. Quite eerie seeing boulders and rocks that float(pumice)

I love the black sand beaches.

Been in NZ half my life but born in South Africa. Funnily enough my dad serviced C-130s for the SAAF during the Angolan war providing air support to the US fighting Russian+Castro's forces over there.

Last weekend I machined down my dad's gantry car/trolly to fit a slightly smaller beam width. It has these amazing cross bolts in them which turns out to be from replaced bolts out of C-130 landing gear.

Oh... and don't get me started swooning on about C-130s(Hercules)... such an amazing plane. That and the A-10(my other fave)

Interesting. My dad was a WWII B-17 pilot, went back to the farm after the war, droughted out in 1952 and went to Kansas City to work winters at Ford Aircraft and was soon recruited by Lockheed Georgia. Country farm family moved to Marietta GA in 1955 and my dad worked on the flight line readying new C-130A's for flight, picking up all the assembly line omissions and modifications. By 1959 he was recruited as a Field Service Representative located at customer facilities, primarily USAF but also Canada, Australia, NZ, Iran, France, SA, Indonesia, Phillipines, and others. I grew up going out on weekends and evenings to watch while they solved problems to keep the planes in the air. The C-130 has a very dear place in my heart and I would have been an Air Force pilot except for my vision. By the way, my dad elected to not renew his lifetime multi-engine pilot's license at the twenty year renewal opportunity in 1965. I didn't understand. He said he would never pilot again, and he didn't.

There are a few of us will be all over that!

If you've ever seen a C-130 with JATO (Jet Assisted Take Off) flaming as the plane leaps into the air with seemingly no ground roll you'll not forget it. And the C-130 gunships with the Gatling guns, and...

OIF, GUSTER & ALL: here's the link for the Woodworking 101 thread that i'm sure all of you have something to add even if it's just about putting trim up on a window or planing a piece of wood (safely).

http://www.garagejournal.com/forum/showthread.php?t=344153

I've always wanted to learn more about Wood and how to become more of a wood worker and not a Butcher so i'm hoping this thread will help me while it's hopefully helping others.

cheers

Thanks for the link. The main thing you need to know about wood is that it expands and contracts with the seasons, and it does so more cross grain than with the grain. Glue joints which ignore that expansion and the differential of directions are subject to failure.

 

[oldironfarmer]

Took an old tub of joint material and opened it to find it not quite hardened. Wish I had thought to take a picture. Spent about a half hour getting water mixed into it to get the right consistency. Time well spent, it would have taken longer to go to town and buy more. And that would have made saving the old tub a little silly, now wouldn't it?

Put tape on the plenum wall.

I'm better at this just watching the guys who did my work. They put the tape on and let it dry. No more mud until the tape is dry. It sure seems to work good.

Took my wife to town for lunch, bank run, and sheetrock. Also bought more mud. Got the sheetrock up even though I had a visitor who needed to do some wood work.

I was a father today, tomorrow I'll be a mudder.

 

[Bob Heine]

If you've ever seen a C-130 with JATO (Jet Assisted Take Off) flaming as the plane leaps into the air with seemingly no ground roll you'll not forget it. And the C-130 gunships with the Gatling guns, and...

Andy, my father was an Army Air Force meteorologist instructor in WWII and an Air Force Reserve officer through the 1950s. Named our first dog JATO because he took off down the street like he was on fire when he was a puppy.

 

[oldironfarmer]

Andy, my father was an Army Air Force meteorologist instructor in WWII and an Air Force Reserve officer through the 1950s. Named our first dog JATO because he took off down the street like he was on fire when he was a puppy.

Wonder if he crossed paths with my dad? Dad trained as a radio operator, bombardier, navigator, single engine, then multi-engine pilot. All in Texas except NC for navigator training.

JATO is a great name for a dog!!

Funny how many things we have in common with other GJ members.

 

[53PontiacSD]

Cool productive day here today.

Got the plenum wall for filtering air exiting the spray booth laid out and framed up today. Decided to go with 20" by 20" filters, so the studs are on 21-1/2" centers to match filter dimension.

No filter frames other than stops inside the squares. My plan is to have inlet air filters high in the doors and exit filters low on the exit wall. The exit wall forms a plenum to feed the exhaust fan on the far wall.

A few calculations indicate that ten filters will be plenty for 600 cfm I expect the fan to move.

Put up almost all the sheetrock on this wall. Just need a little more on the near side of the door jamb. Everything else will be painted and have filters. I don't believe there is a downside to having too many filters, just longer time between filter changes.

Now I have to go ahead and figure out how to mount the fan and exhaust louver. It will be tight working inside the plenum but I've lost weight.

Also finished framing the wall for the door

 

[53PontiacSD]

Well, the blue car looks good in there. Next to the coke machine.

 

[53PontiacSD]

I guess I missed the size of your paint booth. From the look of the blue car being in there, it looks like you have a lot of room to walk around the car when painting.

 

[oldironfarmer]

Well, the blue car looks good in there. Next to the coke machine.

Thank you. I'll tell it, they like to know they look good, you know

In my mind it is the prettiest car I've ever owned and I never get tired of looking at it. And my wife feels the same way, calls it "her" car.

I guess I missed the size of your paint booth. From the look of the blue car being in there, it looks like you have a lot of room to walk around the car when painting.

Paint booth is about 12' 6" ft wide inside. I think it is about 28 ft long, inside. I wanted plenty of room to work around. I've never painted a car with enough room around it except when I had nothing and was also painting all my tools and equipment with drift. I got tired of making a mess and have not painted anything in years, except the grandson's 64 Mustang but that was in his fathers garage in a plastic tent with no ventilation and not enough space. Not as much fun as a straight jacket, but close. It is intended to be used for car storage when painting is not required.

Thanks for stopping by!

 

[Bob Heine]

Wonder if he crossed paths with my dad? Dad trained as a radio operator, bombardier, navigator, single engine, then multi-engine pilot. All in Texas except NC for navigator training.

JATO is a great name for a dog!!

Funny how many things we have in common with other GJ members.

I never got all the details but my father joined, mustered out and re-joined as an officer. Spent 9 months at the Grand Rapids Michigan Weather School (http://www.historygrandrapids.org/audio/4376/weather-school). Near the end of the training my mother got pregnant unexpectedly for the second time. His first duty station was Douglas, Arizona and six months and a few blocks from the Mexican border I joined my 2-year old brother to make us a family of four. In 1945 my parents headed for California , presumably to train Pacific Theater pilots when the European front was done.

My father stayed in the Air Force Reserve because of his brother Harvey. Harvey enlisted as a Private in the Army Corps of Engineers. He had a cushy job clearing mine fields after D-Day. His platoon went out ahead of the rest of the Army and intentionally (and sometimes not) blew up the mines. Success was a cleared road or field and everyone in one piece. Harvey not only survived but received a series of battlefield promotions and mustered out as a Captain. Took Dad another decade to achieve that rank in the Reserves -- I saw the funny telegram Harvey sent Dad for the occasion. Military promotions are few and far between in peacetime.

 

[Bob Heine]

Thank you. I'll tell it, they like to know they look good, you know
In my mind it is the prettiest car I've ever owned and I never get tired of looking at it. And my wife feels the same way, calls it "her" car.

Andy, I suspect your wife thinks the blue baby is "hers" in the offspring sense. You can avoid a serious problem if you maintain a fatherly tone to those "prettiest ... I've ever owned" comments. Avoid "sensual, flowing curves" and "tightest rear end of its time"... Just sayin'!

 

[53PontiacSD]

Well, I'm impressed with your paint booth! Hopefully I can build one soon. I understand the painting everything that's out with drift. Covers things you didn't know were out until it's too late. Thanks for the info. Billy

 

[oldironfarmer]

I never got all the details but my father joined, mustered out and re-joined as an officer. Spent 9 months at the Grand Rapids Michigan Weather School (http://www.historygrandrapids.org/audio/4376/weather-school). Near the end of the training my mother got pregnant unexpectedly for the second time. His first duty station was Douglas, Arizona and six months and a few blocks from the Mexican border I joined my 2-year old brother to make us a family of four. In 1945 my parents headed for California , presumably to train Pacific Theater pilots when the European front was done.

Sounds like they didn't cross paths. Was it a big war?

My father stayed in the Air Force Reserve because of his brother Harvey. Harvey enlisted as a Private in the Army Corps of Engineers. He had a cushy job clearing mine fields after D-Day. His platoon went out ahead of the rest of the Army and intentionally (and sometimes not) blew up the mines. Success was a cleared road or field and everyone in one piece. Harvey not only survived but received a series of battlefield promotions and mustered out as a Captain. Took Dad another decade to achieve that rank in the Reserves -- I saw the funny telegram Harvey sent Dad for the occasion. Military promotions are few and far between in peacetime.

Why am I not surprised Uncle Harvey sent Dad a funny telegram? And telegrams are a little harder to commit humor upon, though not a hard as Morse Code.

Two way radio, on the other hand, may be unintentional. I was in Nigeria working late in the Port Harcourt office of Bonny Oil and Gas when a field order came in from a pipeline spread. Single sideband radio was echoing all through the building so I had no choice but to listen. First the British gentleman taking the order in my office could not understand "Skoal" so I got up to help. Communication is difficult and these gentlemen were trying. No time for humor. Then the east Texas pipeliner says "ten pair of galoshes". Brit could not process the word galosh. I got up once again and went to the radio room and told him "overshoes". He went back on the radio "you want rubbers?". East Texas boy yells back "hell no these are pipeliners, I can't get them to wear rubbers". I was the only one laughing.

Andy, I suspect your wife thinks the blue baby is "hers" in the offspring sense. You can avoid a serious problem if you maintain a fatherly tone to those "prettiest ... I've ever owned" comments. Avoid "sensual, flowing curves" and "tightest rear end of its time"... Just sayin'!

You, sir, have gained the wisdom of age. Or is it the aged? Remember this is the wife who had the big caboose. We're still married. She pretty much discounts everything I say. When we first married, she would say things like "our anniversary is coming up. We don't have to do anything, but I don't want you to miss it if you had planned something". She is just glad to be along for the ride. What a find!

By the way, did you ever see the Cheech and Chong game show with Bob?

Well, I'm impressed with your paint booth! Hopefully I can build one soon. I understand the painting everything that's out with drift. Covers things you didn't know were out until it's too late. Thanks for the info. Billy

Billy: Good news, in Pampa you don't need an exhaust fan! Energy savings! You don't even need a broom, just open both ends briefly!

Thanks for the comments, I'm eager to use it a few times.