Any TV/Cable/Directv experts out there?? Need help

[Rocker4x4]

Ok guys, I wanting to get tv out in my garage now. I'm currently on Directv. Here is what I am working with. From my dish it runs into house to a SWM splitter just before the HD receiver. splitter feeds one bed room. My garage sits little bit away from the house. Right about 300'.I do have a 2" conduit from house basement to garage for phone/internet. so there is plenty of room to run a coax cable in conduit out to garage. So from my research 300' is pushing the limits on distance. My only shot is to use RG11 cable that goes "from" the SWM splitter out to the garage to a DTV genie mini. Does all this sound doable or even close to being right?? I know very little about this stuff just going on some research. I hope someone here could shed some light on this before I spend the money on the RG11 cable..
Thanks

 

[Fortysixand2]

Yes, you are correct.

 

[OKDave]

Since it is digital now days, I would be inclined to try it with rg6quad, BUT if have spools of the stuff. I would try it on the spool, usually you can get at booth ends, slap some connectors on it and try it out before you go with pulling it in the conduit. Digital will keep the pic going until the bitter end, then it will start to show up in "artifacts" dropped frames and pixels. It probably wont work but you will not be out much.
Dave

 

[CNGsaves]

Buy a SlingBox and just use high-speed internet to watch whatever is showing on your DirectTV main TV. That is only drawback . . . . you MUST watch whatever is showing on the main TV. You have full control using the SlingBox software to change channels, etc. . .. . . but the person in house watching the main TV can change it right back.

SlingBox is also terrific when you're away from home, as you can watch TV over internet anywhere in world . . . . as if you were home . . . . as long as you have a high-speed internet connection.

 

[tthornto]

If you already have Internet out there then you don't need to run a cable at all. Direct TV has receivers that will connect to the whole house dvr via your home network either wired or wireless.
If you do decide to run coax stick with the RG6 Quadsheild and use compression fittings.
I have a mix of RG59, RG6 and RG11 at work for a cctv system. The longest runs are about 300 feet. The RG11 is a pain to work with, It is about twice the diameter of RG6 and is 10 times stiffer. The connectors for it have to be ordered whereas RG6 fittings can be picked up at any big box store. The connector are very hard to crimp properly due to their size. We spent about $75 bucks on a good quality (huge) crimper for the RG11 and it still isnt as secure connection between the cable and the F-connector. The best cable in the world won't do you any good if it isn't terminated properly.

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[Rocker4x4]

Direct TV has receivers that will connect to the whole house dvr via your home network either wired or wireless

How does this work? this would be by far the easiest to do. My main receiver is a Genie Gen 2. So I think that is capable with whole home. I have 2 CAT 5 cables running to garage now one is for a wireless router, other is for phone that is not hooked up. I could run a 3rd if needed. Can you explain more how this works? Will the Genie mini work the same (watch any live channel) as the main receiver? Only difference is only recordings I can watch is what the main receiver has recorded? Right? How is this done through wifi? do I need a smart TV in garage for it to work? I know lots of loaded questions. but I'm not electronic guy by any means
Thanks

Oh and yes I've heard horror stories how hard the RG11 is to work with. Really dreading it. that's main reason I've not done this project yet, that and the knowledge of how I need to run it.

 

[Oldgloryfirearms]

How does this work? this would be by far the easiest to do. My main receiver is a Genie Gen 2. So I think that is capable with whole home. I have 2 CAT 5 cables running to garage now one is for a wireless router, other is for phone that is not hooked up. I could run a 3rd if needed. Can you explain more how this works? Will the Genie mini work the same (watch any live channel) as the main receiver? Only difference is only recordings I can watch is what the main receiver has recorded? Right? How is this done through wifi? do I need a smart TV in garage for it to work? I know lots of loaded questions. but I'm not electronic guy by any means
Thanks

Oh and yes I've heard horror stories how hard the RG11 is to work with. Really dreading it. that's main reason I've not done this project yet, that and the knowledge of how I need to run it.

This is how my garage is set up. Just call and tell them you want a wireless genie Mini. No need for a smart tv and yes the gini mini will work just the same as well if you have a DVR you will also beable to watch any recording on it as well. They use there own network they setup using your internet in the house and thats how all the boxes talk to each other.

 

[Kaizen]

i'd try the proposed setup just in the house before going through all the trouble.

 

[Falcon67]

I'm pretty sure our mini's have an ethernet port on the back. I'd have to look. I ran RG6 the 150' to the shop TV from the Direct node in the house. No issues at 150'. Same run as I used with Dish.

 

[Todd.Brock]

The problem is going to be the distance with the Genie Mini. I have DTV. With the wireless Genie, it actually runs on its own "wifi" network. The Single wire comes into the main DVR - we actually have this stuffed under a dresser in our bedroom. A HDMI connects to the DVR and goes to our bedroom tv. There is a DTV "router" hooked in after the SWM. It broadcasts to the wireless mini genies. For the wireless mini genies you need power and an hdmi cord to the TV. We have wireless Genies tucked behind the TV 's on our walls - above Fireplace, etc.
The whole DTV network connects to your home wifi set up to access on demand content. The RF remotes control the mini genies and you can record from one TV and stop and resume on another TV. Think of it like PC's accessing a file on network file. As long as you are connected you can access recordings. Works great, but the 300 ft might be an issue. I am not sure if there is a way to extend the DTV "wifi" with repeaters etc. I can tell you that it looks like a normal wifi network you would see available.

Call DTV and ask if you can run an extender or hardwire a mini Genie via cat 5.

This all was new to me- I was used to having coax for each tuner on the old satellites. Made our new house easy b/c I didn't have some yahoo stringing coax all over the damn place

 

[pcmeiners]

Does all this sound doable or even close to being right?? NO

If lightning hits the ground house or garage there will be a high voltage potential difference between the house and garage. High voltage will go through the conduit, jump to the wires and fry devices either in garage or house. The Faraday effect does NOT work in the scenario, (as in the pipe shielding the wires). Had the equivalent scenario in a company with a campus, multiple buildings separated each by several hundred feet, steel conduit between buildings, fully grounded. I was on site during one lightning storm, watch a lightning hit, which knocked out comm links between 4 buildings. Lost a good bit of equipment due to this, eventually had to run fiber. Get a WiFi link going .

 

[Catadj78]

call em up and tell them you want another receiver installed.

I have Dish. My shop is almost 200' away from the house. The guy wasn't happy digging a 200' trench to bury the wire and it showed by his poor effort but I have tv out in the shop now. I was right at the distance of being too far as well. They were willing to install another dish though

 

[tthornto]

Does all this sound doable or even close to being right?? NO

If lightning hits the ground house or garage there will be a high voltage potential difference between the house and garage. High voltage will go through the conduit, jump to the wires and fry devices either in garage or house. The Faraday effect does NOT work in the scenario, (as in the pipe shielding the wires). Had the equivalent scenario in a company with a campus, multiple buildings separated each by several feet, steel conduit between buildings, fully grounded. I was on site during one lightning storm, watch a lightning hit, which knocked out comm links between 4 buildings. Lost a good bit of equipment due to this, eventually had to run fiber. Get a WiFi link going .

It could happen, the chances are better than your chances of winning the lotto. However if both house and garage are grounded according to code; the chances of lightning striking and choosing that path are low. Plus most homeowners insurance policies would cover the damage too.

So if you've already got the wire run then use it. If you would have to pull wire/conduit and possibly trench, then look into the wireless links because they are cheaper and easier, but the chance of lightning damage is low enough that it wouldn't factor into the decision at all for me.

 

[Falcon67]

If lightning hits the ground house or garage there will be a high voltage potential difference between the house and garage.

I work on a university campus that's been here since 1891. We have all kinds of conduits, wires, pipes, gas lines, cable plant, who-knows-what running between the buildings. Everything current was built from the 30s to around the 90s. It's not something we particularly worry about.

 

[4Kings]

What do you want to watch ? You already have a router in the garage, just get a roku and stream your content. Since you already have a DirectTV account you pretty much have streaming access to a ton of content. Just buy a antenna for your locals.

 

[Rocker4x4]

High voltage will go through the conduit,

I'm not expert, but how does voltage go through PVC conduit?

There is a DTV "router" hooked in after the SWM. It broadcasts to the wireless mini genies. For the wireless mini genies you need power and an hdmi cord to the

So this whole home DTV uses its own router? So has nothing to do with current wireless internet router I have now? That was a concern for me. How does the wireless genie work off a different router than the main DVR receiver? My house has a router, and garage has a router, they are connected, but still 2 different routers.

I could possibly run from actual dish to garage, but your talking 400ft, they could ad another dish to garage, but not sure on cost of adding another dish if added to account, I already have $120 month bill, I hate for it to go up too much more.

What do you want to watch ? You already have a router in the garage, just get a roku and stream your content. Since you already have a DirectTV account you pretty much have streaming access to a ton of content. Just buy a antenna for your locals.

How exactly does Roku work? What can you watch?
I've got some sports channels and few hunting channels i'd like to watch in garage

 

[weadjust]

I bought a second Directv dish on ebay and installed it myself. The extra hd receiver is $7 a month. The additional dish & receiver will not be on your whole home network.

 

[4Kings]

How exactly does Roku work? What can you watch?
I've got some sports channels and few hunting channels i'd like to watch in garage

Roku is just a device that connects to your TV and your home network. There are several different models to choose from but they all work the same. You add "channels" to your Roku. Most channels are free but some have a small monthly fee. I've never used any of the "paid" channels. I have WatchESPN, FoxSportsGo, and other sports channels. There are also several hunting & fishing channels. I like watching old westerns, and there several channels for that content as well.

On the WatchESPN channel for example, you enter your DirectTV credentials when you setup the channel. This give you the same access to all the ESPN channels you currently have in your subscription; ESPN, ESPN2, ESPN3, ESPNU, SecNetwork, etc.

Here's a link to the different Roku models. https://www.roku.com/products

Link to Roku Sports channels. https://channelstore.roku.com/browse/sports

 

[Rocker4x4]

On the WatchESPN channel for example, you enter your DirectTV credentials when you setup the channel. This give you the same access to all the ESPN channels you currently have in your subscription; ESPN, ESPN2, ESPN3, ESPNU, SecNetwork, etc.

So what your saying is it CAN be tied with your DTV account somehow? I also have movie channels like HBO Cinemax on my DTV acct. I'm able to access them through Roku? What about local live tv?

On the Ruko site they show "add channel" I guessing some are free? Some are paid? Is that monthly type thing?

 

[gipraw]

My garage has a dish on it .. Far easier than the other options.

 

[My Old Tools]

My garage has a dish on it .. Far easier than the other options.

It can be. It boils down to whether or not you want to pay for (buy or rent) another receiver and pay the monthly fees on it. With Sling, Roku, Chromecast, Firestick, no monthly fees. You already have paid for the content through the DTV account.

 

[4Kings]

So what your saying is it CAN be tied with your DTV account somehow? I also have movie channels like HBO Cinemax on my DTV acct. I'm able to access them through Roku? What about local live tv?

On the Ruko site they show "add channel" I guessing some are free? Some are paid? Is that monthly type thing?

In my example of WatchESPN, after you add the channel (WatchESPN is free to add) to your Roku you will need to enter your DirectTV info, I can't remember if it's an account number or your online DirectTV access id. After that you will get all your ESPN DirectTV content on your Roku.

There are several Roku channels that work that way; HBO, FoxSports, Showtime to name a few.

I've never paid for a Roku channel, just use the free ones, and there are a ton of them. There is a free channel called PowerNation that has Muscle Car, Trucks!, and other PowerBlock content.

Unfortunately the Roku will not allow access to your local over the air (live) channels like NBC/ABC/CBS etc. This is where an inexpensive antenna comes into play.

 

[Showkey]

Wow.......did a little research......there are a lot of unhappy slingbox users

 

[DC73]

Does all this sound doable or even close to being right?? NO

If lightning hits the ground house or garage there will be a high voltage potential difference between the house and garage. High voltage will go through the conduit, jump to the wires and fry devices either in garage or house. The Faraday effect does NOT work in the scenario, (as in the pipe shielding the wires). Had the equivalent scenario in a company with a campus, multiple buildings separated each by several hundred feet, steel conduit between buildings, fully grounded. I was on site during one lightning storm, watch a lightning hit, which knocked out comm links between 4 buildings. Lost a good bit of equipment due to this, eventually had to run fiber. Get a WiFi link going .

Yep. Technically when lightning strikes, the potential difference is between the two grounding points. This causes a current to flow via the path of least resistance which is usually communications cable or metal conduits. One solution is to connect the two grounding points together with good copper wire of sufficient size but that can be pretty costly for a 300' run. Another solution is to use an optical isolator on the Cat5 cable and good surge protectors on equipment at either end.

DC

 

[kbuhagiar]

Wow.......did a little research......there are a lot of unhappy slingbox users

Can't speak for anyone else, but I have had my Slingbox for four years, and it is one of the best A/V inverstments I have ever made. My wife and I travel a lot, and we are able to watch our premium Xfinity cable service from anywhere in the world with a decent broadband connection.

Thumbs up for Slingbox.

 

[Rocker4x4]

So I looked on ebay, wow can't believe how cheap a dtv dish is.. So all I would need to do is buy one, run rg6 cable from dish to inside to a 2nd receiver and that's it? I'd have to call dtv to add the 2nd receiver, I understand that, but it can run off a different dish? How hard is it to set a dish? and make right angle?

 

[weadjust]

Depends on receiver you want to run. Post the model # of the receiver and we can tell you what dish and whether or not you need a power insterter. Dish is fairly easy to aim if you can use a level and a compass.

 

[empa1968]

I have direct tv. The house is 200' to barn, barn is 80' long and tv is at the furthest point. Went with direct burial cable and it works fine.

 

[Git]

So I looked on ebay, wow can't believe how cheap a dtv dish is.. So all I would need to do is buy one, run rg6 cable from dish to inside to a 2nd receiver and that's it? I'd have to call dtv to add the 2nd receiver, I understand that, but it can run off a different dish? How hard is it to set a dish? and make right angle?

I have a 2 year old DTV dish they left when I cancelled service. I wouldn't be surprised if you got one for free from someone....

Also - heads up. On the 28th, DTV is releasing their version of Sling (streaming service). $35 for 100 channels, no hardware needed

DirecTV Now
http://www.techtimes.com/articles/1...-of-tv-offers-100-channels-for-35-a-month.htm

 

[Rocker4x4]

Well I went ahead and ordered a Roku premier plus. Guess i'll try this first as a easy route. If not satisfied I need to look into dtv options

 

[Git]

I am seeing reports that when DirecTV launches their streaming service on the 28th, they are giving out a free Apple TV (Apples version of a ROKU) for free if you sign up for 3 months. 1 month should get you a free firestick

Have to wait for further info to be sure