ddawg16
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And end up like this?
http://abcnews.go.com/US/parents-cry-murder-drunk-teen-killed-home-invasion/story?id=21474534
The best protection is a dog.
Fake surveillance cameras?
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And end up like this?
http://abcnews.go.com/US/parents-cry-murder-drunk-teen-killed-home-invasion/story?id=21474534
The best protection is a dog.
Yes they will deter theft. My shop was visited by thieves probably half a dozen times. They didn't get inside but always hauled off stuff from outside such as iron, chains, a grinder I left sitting out, roller table, etc. I installed a couple cameras and haven't had any visitors since and that was two years ago. Ive even left broke grinders outside as bait (but they wouldn't know that) and nobody would take them. I put security signs up as well at the same time I put the cameras up. they absolutely help.
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UM What part of "decent neighborhood" am I missing ? "Crack heads" by the gate makes the original description either completely delusional or a lie ?
PhantomEB
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Wanna break into my place? Something like 5 major stages to deal with.....eventually to meet a pit bull that will take your DNA sample first.
steveo1o9
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That's the worst part, theifs are not even considerate
. I had my car broken into many years ago and all they ended up taking was a handful of change out of the ashtray... They broke a window, destroyed my stereo trying to get it out, and cracked the dash around the stereo, all while the alarm was going off. I got to deal with $500+ in damage and they ended up with maybe a few bucks in loose change. They even left their screw driver in my car which I still have kicking around to this day.JRC3
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Think of the damage they do when they steal copper plumbing and wiring from a home. Not only do they completely ruin the plumbing and electrical, but they destroy cabinets and walls to get to it.
Then to boot, they probably leave a nice pile of piss and poop in a corner or two.
A buddie's BIL worked for a company that bought ruined homes in the city to flip or to turn in to rentals, they had like 200. Anyway, when they bought these distressed shithomes he said the druggies and squatters would piss and **** down the registers and air returns. Can you imagine??? He said the bathtubs were used much the same way and halfway full.
Think of the damage they do when they steal copper plumbing and wiring from a home. Not only do they completely ruin the plumbing and electrical, but they destroy cabinets and walls to get to it.
Then to boot, they probably leave a nice pile of piss and poop in a corner or two.
A buddie's BIL worked for a company that bought ruined homes in the city to flip or to turn in to rentals, they had like 200. Anyway, when they bought these distressed shithomes he said the druggies and squatters would piss and **** down the registers and air returns. Can you imagine??? He said the bathtubs were used much the same way and halfway full.
VinceG
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There is a old one on the corner of my house I've just never taken it down I think its easy to tell its fake but I have seen people knock on my door and wave at it so I guess it stills fools people.
Our door got smashed in moments after my wife (and kids) left. Based on what they stole, I assume they were on something. Anyway, back to the point, like most other people you get security/educated AFTER you've had something happen.
We changed a lot of things, type of back door, alarm system (which is more for my wife than protection because the company is so dang slow) and some other changes. However, one that I share with everyone is getting 3M security film on anything glass. It's not as easy as "smash the glass and gain entry" now. It takes quite a bit more effort to get through than before.
Slowing a thief down is important. The longer they're out there trying to get in the better chance they have of being exposed.
We changed a lot of things, type of back door, alarm system (which is more for my wife than protection because the company is so dang slow) and some other changes. However, one that I share with everyone is getting 3M security film on anything glass. It's not as easy as "smash the glass and gain entry" now. It takes quite a bit more effort to get through than before.
Slowing a thief down is important. The longer they're out there trying to get in the better chance they have of being exposed.
Flipper88
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Does not apply much to residential, but putting up “this property is under video surveillance” signs are a huge liability if you don’t actually have cameras. A business in my area was sued by an employee who was assaulted in an area that was “under surveillance” She claimed she was lured into a false sense of security and the judge agreed.
wssix99
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I think that's an excellent plan. I should have added that my situation is a good litmus test for this since I have a high concentration of meth heads and other sorts around me.
We have real cameras and they (or the 'uge "you are being recorded" signs on the gates) have done little to deter crime. Even when photographic evidence and license plate numbers have been provided to the police for smaller offenses, they have not resulted in action or investigations. (They would have investigated larger thefts/crimes.)
In the same areas, bright and motion activated lights have indeed worked to deter vandalism and crime. We haven't had any issues at night - all of our problems have been during the day. I had a neighbor who was having his house tagged regularly and that all stopped once he installed much brighter lighting.
wssix99
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In today's America, I think these are 1 in 10 people? They are in your neighborhood also. If you insist otherwise, then you need to open your eyes. (Or put a small box at the end of your driveway labeled "Free Meth" - you'll be shocked at who stops to peek inside.)
BTW - I use the term "crack head" interchangeably with "heroin mom", etc. With regards to crimes for drugs, I don't believe there is any difference between a homeless person living under a bridge and a soccer mom addicted to pills. Both will break in your garage while you are out of town to steal your tools.
The big difference is in locale is that when you put these people in a City, where they are concentrated closer together, things get a lot more violent. The difference between a nice neighborhood and a not-nice neighborhood is violence and not crime. (You can't escape crime among a dense population, even if you live in a neighborhood with $10M houses.)
wssix99
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I'll try to take more pictures... The best stories are not-safe-for-work, so I probably won't be posting them.
Here's a little gem I found the other day:
View media item 65584
It's a genuine 2016 Chicago Cubs World Series Bullet - shot in to the air over the great City of Chicago at the precise moment the Cubs won their historic 2016 championship. (Wrigleyville was heavily supervised by the Police and closely supervised, but the rest of the City was out of fireworks and things were kind of like a Baghdad invasion without the tracers.) Fortunately, this little guy was just a .22 and didn't damage the roof!
I'm planning to make up a certificate of authenticity and see if I can find some *** - I mean superfan to purchase the item for a nice shadow box display.
ttpete
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I'll try to take more pictures... The best stories are not-safe-for-work, so I probably won't be posting them.
Here's a little gem I found the other day:
View media item 65584
It's a genuine 2016 Chicago Cubs World Series Bullet - shot in to the air over the great City of Chicago at the precise moment the Cubs won their historic 2016 championship. (Wrigleyville was heavily supervised by the Police and closely supervised, but the rest of the City was out of fireworks and things were kind of like a Baghdad invasion without the tracers.) Fortunately, this little guy was just a .22 and didn't damage the roof!
I'm planning to make up a certificate of authenticity and see if I can find some *** - I mean superfan to purchase the item for a nice shadow box display.
You'll find that in most big cities, and it doesn't take a world series win to do it. New Years eve is where most of it comes from. Ask a few roofers.
JbTech
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JRC3
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You silly people...Guns are illegal in Chicago, so that must be a fishing weight.
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JbTech
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Touche'!
I forgot about the great gun laws in ShitCago.
Hope y'all welcome O'Bummer home!
wssix99
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New Years was nothing compared to the World Series. Not even close. It would have been better if people were expecting a win (and the series wasn't so close) so they could have gone across the boarder and just gotten some fireworks.
No. This is 'Merica. Guns are easier to buy than cigarettes. You just can't buy ammo. I actually think the solution to our problem would be to open up ammo sales in the city - except force every box of rounds to have tracers mixed in them...
ttpete
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I see Chicago has had its 600th murder of 2016 the other day. Nice place to live.
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wssix99
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We've had enough history with fire. Most buildings are masonry, so as long as we miss the windows - we should be all good.
wssix99
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It is actually a very nice place to live. Quantity of murders means nothing - large cities will naturally have more crime than little towns. (The news media likes to sensationalize the aggregate number even though its not a meaningful statistic other than to point out that New York and LA are doing better than us.)
Your City is actually #5 on the murder rate list and we aren't even on the thing... https://www.neighborhoodscout.com/top-lists/highest-murder-rate-cities/
Great. When the folks come home from the hospital and they've forgotten about the burglar blomb, they walk in and get blasted...
Tommy
The good thing is they won't make that mistake twice!
It actually warns you with an audible signal that reminds you to disarm it, just like most alarms.
I don't care what the population is, when 10 or 20 people get shot in a weekend, you've got a major problem.
I work in Detroit and no way you'd get me to work in Chicago....traffic, crime, etc are all worse by a huge margin.
Then again, I can't imagine thinking that any big city is a "nice place to live"....they all ****. I only have 20 acres, and my closest neighbor is a couple hundred yards away and that's a couple hundred yards too close....and I like them.
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Coolabah
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Well, I guess we won't hear from you again if you are in future one of those non-meaningful murders ?? I am more than a little non-plussed to hear anyone think that one murder , let alone 600 is "natural"
Pretty sure where I live we have had 6 shotings in the same time period, and some of them were police shootings of violent criminals :shrug:
Farrier
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We thought fake cams were great until we had a break in. Felt pretty stupid when the investigator asked to review our security footage. Major facepalm moment for us.
ttpete
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Unlike NYC, LA, and your city, we are allowed to have a means of defending ourselves when we are out in a public place.
wssix99
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I was speaking from a mathematical/statistical perspective and not a spiritual one. Many Americans have deep difficulty with the math thing...
By one perspective, the gun/crime situation here would not be what it is had your King not dropped the ball a couple hundred years ago. (Things in Australia and Canada - not too far away are much different.)
wssix99
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Is that why your per capita crime rate is higher? (It doesn't make a good case for us to change - but I am looking forward to enacting the plan like New York did a few years back to drive their crime rate down.)
ttpete
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Only inside Detroit city limits. The city is over 85% black, and most are low-income. Those who could afford it packed up and left, and now crime is rampant. I stay out of the city because there's nothing there I need. The place is a disaster and current population is just over a half million.
If you're talking about stop-and-frisk, it'll never happen with the current government. In NYC, it went away when Giuliani left.
wssix99
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What do you mean? Rudy's back in - tight with the new Pres - going nationwide, now! Maybe none of us have anything to fear? lol