Made in China is inferior because of inferior workers or reduced specifications?

[dogdog]

LOL Al Jazeera.

 

[dogdog]

EPA, Unions, Labor Laws, Local, state, and federal building codes, Hazardous Waste Disposal Regulations, OSHA, DOT Regulations. / little of this may apply / depending upon where You place the dot on the globe / Any chance some money-minded business leaders take this into account?

I am suspect Chinese government as a whole choose to ignore or suppress issues related these problems so that they have the foreign business producing product there ..... if any one have been watching where products are made....you know business have already begun migrating to the next low cost labor hub..... competing for your business are India, Vietnam, and of cause Myanmar and in another 30 years even Africa.....

 

[Delerium]

I have a friend who was a buyer of outdoor items and dealt with the Chinese factories directly and and would wholesale to retailers. One of the many problems he had was trying to get the factories to make the items to spec. They love to cheat on grades of materials and quality control.

Had a big problem with this with firearms safes in New Zealand. Certain types of license require 6mm thick steel safe. The prototype for approval was 6mm, the rest ere 4 or 5 mm.

 

[BDT/NWMN]

The labbor cost in China is very low compared to any industrial nation and this is an advantage they can use it to make better product like Japan used to do three decades back when the Japanese Yen was cheap ?especially in products with higher labbor to material cost like most of hand tools instead they opted to cheat or collaborated with a foreign cheater and forge or imitate world famous brands etc??

why they do taht when they have the ability and know how is a big question may be they have a lower ethics than neighbouring Japan

Agree:
The Government of Communist Red China and ethics? They don't play by our rules.. Money talks so much in the big business world. It is cheaper for USA companies to join the import club. Money talks.
As consumers, we have to decide with our own pocketbooks. Again; Money talks for many.

 

[BDT/NWMN]

EPA, Unions, Labor Laws, Local, state, and federal building codes, Hazardous Waste Disposal Regulations, OSHA, DOT Regulations. / little of this may apply / depending upon where You place the dot on the globe / Any chance some money-minded business leaders take this into account?

I am suspect Chinese government as a whole choose to ignore or suppress issues related these problems so that they have the foreign business producing product there ..... if any one have been watching where products are made....you know business have already begun migrating to the next low cost labor hub..... competing for your business are India, Vietnam, and of cause Myanmar and in another 30 years even Africa.....

Yes, That is the way I see it.

 

[exmaxima1]

I am suspect Chinese government as a whole choose to ignore or suppress issues related these problems so that they have the foreign business producing product there ..... if any one have been watching where products are made....you know business have already begun migrating to the next low cost labor hub..... competing for your business are India, Vietnam, and of cause Myanmar and in another 30 years even Africa.....

I don't know what you mean by "even Africa". I think southern Africa has been producing high quality items for many years now---most of the chassis on my 10-year-old BMW is built/assembled in Africa and sent to Germany for final assembly.

 

[openwheelracing88]

We can't compete, so we complain. WTF has USA become?

 

[openwheelracing88]

Gee, if they're so far ahead why would they need to come to North America to study?

Oh, and



http://www.foxnews.com/us/2016/06/05/foreign-students-seen-cheating-more-than-domestic-ones.html

Because they easily out test our students. Call a spade a spade.

 

[openwheelracing88]

Are you people serious?

Of course the Chinese only make inferior products like the iPhone and Milwaukee tools. Clearly they are inherently incapable of producing quality products. They know nothing of design or engineering it is simply an anomaly that most of the graduate students in American Universities' Engineering Schools are Chinese or Indian.

Cutting corners is obviously only something the Chinese would do. Nothing like the continual striving for excellence exhibited by Ford and General Motors who shave .0001 penny from a car at every possible opportunity even if quality is affected. Nixon taught the Chinese capitalism and now the little bastards are better at it than we are. How did that happen.

Let's call this thread what it is: white guys trying to figure out why they are losing their position in the world.

Blaming the Chinese for Wall Street's greed and the cheapness of the American consumer might make you feel better but it's misdirected and false. The Chinese can build whatever quality you're willing to pay for; Apple and Milwaukee are obvious examples. Do you need to watch them like a hawk? Of course you do. Not that American companies would ever do anything shady e.g. Wells Fargo.

Can the Chinese make Snap-On quality tools: You're damn right they can. One reason being their factories are newer and have better machines than Snap-On likely does.

I worked in the semiconductor industry. This is the highest technology industry on Earth. When you're capable of putting millions of transistors in a square centimeter of silicon you've achieved something. Most semiconductors are now made in China, Taiwan or Korea. If you don't think they can forge a piece of steel if they feel like it and you're willing to pay for it you're nuts.

At least someone on Garage Journal has balls to tell the truth.

 

[dogdog]

I don't know what you mean by "even Africa". I think southern Africa has been producing high quality items for many years now---most of the chassis on my 10-year-old BMW is built/assembled in Africa and sent to Germany for final assembly.

the world of products does not just revolve around BMW or mining or diamonds

Africa is a continent, if you have follow the industrial revolutions.... the business tends to exploit low cost labors in stabilized developing countries.

 

[rharman]

Doesn't matter where it's made if the goal is to win the race to the bottom as far as cost/price point. That seems to be what drives the American consumer. Any of us who appreciate good tools understands that.

China could make excellent products if companies would pay for it and not delegate quality control to the source factory. Someone has to mind the store - left on their own, far too many manufacturers will scrimp on materials, fit, and finish.

 

[Eric Essen]

This graphic is very outdated. Chinese wages in tool factories are closer to $4/hr will hit $5/hr by 2019.

Another interesting trend also is that factory wages are rising much faster than white collar, the social status attached to the job means people are willing to work it for a lower wage than they would make in a factory.

The Chinese can make high quality, but you have to be there in person and on top of every step. I've worked on an assembly line in a Chinese tool factory. You'd also be amazed at how much stuff is not automated/machinemade, but is hand shaped.

 

[FMC1959]

China has advanced nuclear technogy & weapons, has its own space program, among leading countries globally for electronics, medicine and many other things.

The answer to the OP's question is..made in China is inferior because it can be made as cheap as we want it. If nobody was buying all the cheap imported stuff, the mfg would not import it.

Wages have been stagnating in the U.S., for the last 35 years.

This is the fault of the American consumer?

Thank god for that. If the average wage was double or triple (think $50-$75/hour) even less would buy made in US because of how much more it would cost compared to cheap made in China. The average guy would have more money but the $200 SK or Wright wrenches would cost $400-$500. How many that by these now would go for Craftsman or Husky? Then either SK, Husky or any other mfg still producing in the US would go under or forced to offshore production to stay alive....viscious circle, and as always, we get NOT what a few of us on GJ want, but what the masses want...CHEAP!

 

[MN_Runner]

The answer to the OP's question is..made in China is inferior because it can be made as cheap as we want it. If nobody was buying all the cheap imported stuff, the mfg would not import it.

This is the precise point.