The VISES of Garage Journal

[Bcom]

Those are great little vises, and having it from your dad is even cooler! I've been on the lookout for that exact vise for a while....I'll find one eventually!

I thought you had one laying in that pic you sent me? Do you sell that too?

 

[CrotalusAtrox]

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Love this thing. I inherited it (and the workbench) from my dad. He made the lead jaw inserts.


They are very versatile and work great, that one is in super shape.I have had a few really like them but cant keep them all, or at least I can't

 

[joe.striper]

Thanks for your Parker info Joe. This one will be ready for work (soft duty) once I make a collar to replace that dang bolt.

You know I may have one of these early parkers in my shop. Whats your jaw size? I will send you my collar to copy if it is the same size. Let me get a photo.

 

[kcrccc05]

Hey JIMREED2160 -I have the same vise -Check page #1957 -posts 39125 -39132-39133

At the time I was told it was a Howard Iron Works with parker jaws -there is a illustration on post 39133

 

[joe.striper]

OK. I need some help from the Parker crew. This thing was delivered by Mr Postman early today. It is an unusual Parker but is in pretty good shape. The jaws are 3 1/4". There are no casting marks but it does have stamping on the front jaw(?). In addition, the missing collar was attached from the top.

Looks pretty early. Did Parker stamp their jaws in the early days?

Here is my early vise which I believe is a Parker. I haven't restored it yet but LOTS of similarities to yours...what do you think? 4" jaws.

 

[joe.striper]

Hey JIMREED2160 -I have the same vise -Check page #1957 -posts 39125 -39132-39133

At the time I was told it was a Howard Iron Works with parker jaws -there is a illustration on post 39133

Thats an answer I've never entertained. Is it possible the Howard Iron works had these private labeled by Parker? I know these jaws are all hand fit. I cant imagine a company going to all that trouble and then buying the jaws, but nothing would surprise me.

 

[joe.striper]

Hey JIMREED2160 -I have the same vise -Check page #1957 -posts 39125 -39132-39133

At the time I was told it was a Howard Iron Works with parker jaws -there is a illustration on post 39133

Thats an answer I've never entertained. Is it possible the Howard Iron works had these private labeled by Parker? I know these jaws are all hand fit. I cant imagine a company going to all that trouble and then buying the jaws, but nothing would surprise me.

 

[jimreed2160]

KC--Parker jaws on a Howard vise. Interesting. It might explain why there are patent marks stamped all over the dynamic jaw.

Rusty--I have a picture of the underside of the slide.

Joe--Your vise looks like a big brother to this one.

Here are more pictures.

Here is the underside of the dynamic. Notice the protruding pins.

And here is the underside of the static. Notice the botched drilling job.

Here is a close up of the jaws from the side. They do not have the fit and finish of my other Parker vises.

So maybe this is a Howard with Parker jaws. Either that or this one was made in the summer of 1881 when B.J. "Bucky" Parker came to work with his dad. After many false starts on the floor, Bucky was "promoted" to marketing where he championed the black japan finish for years because "it was what customers really need".

 

[CrotalusAtrox]

KC--Parker jaws on a Howard vise. Interesting. It might explain why there are patent marks stamped all over the dynamic jaw.

Rusty--I have a picture of the underside of the slide.

Joe--Your vise looks like a big brother to this one.

Here are more pictures.



Here is the underside of the dynamic. Notice the protruding pins.


And here is the underside of the static. Notice the botched drilling job.


Here is a close up of the jaws from the side. They do not have the fit and finish of my other Parker vises.


So maybe this is a Howard with Parker jaws. Either that or this one was made in the summer of 1881 when B.J. "Bucky" Parker came to work with his dad. After many false starts on the floor, Bucky was "promoted" to marketing where he championed the black japan finish for years because "it was what customers really need".

No that is Funny

 

[G-ManBart]

I thought you had one laying in that pic you sent me? Do you sell that too?

It's the version with the tall, think jaws, and it's been broken and brazed so it doesn't really work. Mostly it's for parts in case I find the model with the short/wide jaws that needs a base.

 

[Boatman53]

G-Man where or how is it broken, and how much do you want for it?
Jim

 

[kcrccc05]

jimreed2169 -here are the jaws on my vise

 

[kcrccc05]

Jimreed 2160 - Heres another pic

 

[jimreed2160]

KC--Thanks for the pictures. I see yours are stamped by Parker also. Looks like we have Howard vises.

 

[ChargerRT]

Well I got another one... it's a little thing and its pretty old but I think it is still welcome here???

 

[CrotalusAtrox]

Well I got another one... it's a little thing and its pretty old but I think it is still welcome here???

That is cool.

 

[trijeff]

Yeah, that clamp on Wilton baby mount is pretty rare

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[drivesitfar]

Charger: do you own a baby bullet with a power arm? by chance would the power arm fit on that clamp to give it a few more options?

Jim: yep your Parker looks like an oldie and interesting that another company might be involved in the making of yours.

ALL: or would maybe ZOOMIE or another member have that clamp and also a power arm? i like my style clamp better with the power arm since i'm using it at the same bench, but if i was taking the vise out and about and maybe had it clamped to a sawhorse, deck or trailer hitch for quick use a solid clamp on would work better.

 

[ChargerRT]

I use to but some guy wanted it more than I did so I sold it to him... I'm pretty sure it would be able to be clamped to a power arm pretty easy though

 

[Bcom]

Well I got another one... it's a little thing and its pretty old but I think it is still welcome here???

Ive never seen a clamp on baby bullet before. Very cool

 

[ChargerRT]

I havn't either until this one and really can't find much online about it... and holy **** is the 2" vise truly a baby

 

[drivesitfar]

Charger & Bcom: in case you hadn't seen my baby bullet with power arm and separate clamp that is maybe my FAVORITE vise here's a few pictures. in the only picture i found the clamp to hold down the power arm is laying next to it. pictures of it in action are on my old DEAD laptop.

 

[ChargerRT]

Drive thats a great looking vise... Do you know if in 1952 the wiltons were the putty grey or the verde hammered green? Under my red paint looks to be the putty color like yours

 

[nick-flanders]

Here is my Wilton 400. Just got done with repainting it a few days ago. I am thinking about sanding all of the lettering (or brushing silver) on the sides to let it stand out more. Painted with House of Kolor Brandywine over black, and silver marble. Here are some pics!

 

[drivesitfar]

Charger: if i recall correctly my baby has 2 date stamps on it in 1946 & 1947. it also was sandblasted i think with glass media and painted grey just to keep it from rusting until he decided on a color and then he decided to sell it to me when i was buying a bunch of his other tools.

my guess is that yours was originally a grey. the early Chicago ones were a satin green and the newer ones seem to be more of a verde green.

you are welcome to post up your baby's pictures with the date stamp on the Wilton Date stamp thread to add to the data base that has close to 250 vises now. while you are on the thread you might take a look at all the bullet vises and make your own research on what you think is the original color. as i've said many times before YOUR VISE, YOUR COLOR. if it was mine i'd either strip and put on BLO or maybe try to put a wrinkle texture under a EXTREME GREEN.
http://www.garagejournal.com/forum/showthread.php?t=269079&highlight=wilton+date+stamp

 

[joe.striper]

Has anyone ever seen a 1.5" Baby Bullet? I supposedly have pictures of one coming. Owner knows his **** and said it is legit....He wants beacoup bucks for it, which I may pay if it is real.

 

[PghJKB]

Joe

It may be one of these:

http://www.morrisonandmarvin.com/vise.php

JKB

 

[Bcom]

Here is my Wilton 400. Just got done with repainting it a few days ago. I am thinking about sanding all of the lettering (or brushing silver) on the sides to let it stand out more. Painted with House of Kolor Brandywine over black, and silver marble. Here are some pics!

It looks like candy!! Nomnomnomnom!

 

[Bcom]

I think driveitfar has a secret hoard of vises hes not showing us

 

[va.grouseman]

Drive, I have a Baby Bullet Clamp-on and a Power-arm, but not together.---Right now the power-arm has a Baby Swivel-head Fulton on it.---I'm almost positive Zoomie has both to.


Nick, the paint on your Wilton looks like candy apple red and a 1/4'' deep.---I like it!


Joe,, Micky O posted a 1/2'' jaw Baby Bullet salesman sample in the (The Biggest Bench Vise Ever Made) thread, on page 3, posts 50, 53, 56, 58, and 92 on page 5.---If he's on the up and up.---See what you think.

 

[zoomieport]

I think driveitfar has a secret hoard of vises hes not showing us

I guarantee I do...

 

[zoomieport]

Drive, I have a Baby Bullet Clamp-on and a Power-arm, but not together.---Right now the power-arm has a Baby Swivel-head Fulton on it.---I'm almost positive Zoomie has both to.


Nick, the paint on your Wilton looks like candy apple red and a 1/4'' deep.---I like it!


Joe,, Micky O posted a 1/2'' jaw Baby Bullet salesman sample in the (The Biggest Bench Vise Ever Made) thread, on page 3, posts 50, 53, 56, 58, and 92 on page 5.---If he's on the up and up.---See what you think.

I have never put the two together... I will check it out when I get home.
Cheers VA!

 

[bluebolt]

Drive, I have a Baby Bullet Clamp-on and a Power-arm, but not together.---Right now the power-arm has a Baby Swivel-head Fulton on it.---I'm almost positive Zoomie has both to.


Nick, the paint on your Wilton looks like candy apple red and a 1/4'' deep.---I like it!


Joe,, Micky O posted a 1/2'' jaw Baby Bullet salesman sample in the (The Biggest Bench Vise Ever Made) thread, on page 3, posts 50, 53, 56, 58, and 92 on page 5.---If he's on the up and up.---See what you think.

I still think that is a 2" bullet.

 

[PghJKB]

OK. I need some help from the Parker crew. This thing was delivered by Mr Postman early today. It is an unusual Parker but is in pretty good shape. The jaws are 3 1/4". There are no casting marks but it does have stamping on the front jaw(?). In addition, the missing collar was attached from the top.

My guess is that it is a very early Parker. Stamping looks like "No 1" with "Parker" and "Patented June **" "1854".

Looks pretty early. Did Parker stamp their jaws in the early days?

Here is my early vise which I believe is a Parker. I haven't restored it yet but LOTS of similarities to yours...what do you think? 4" jaws.

Jimreed 2160 - Heres another pic

Can't say who actually made those vises, but here is the patent trail:

The first patent here for Parker is 11137, issued 20 June 1854. It is for improvements in vise contruction, specifically thae additon of the steel bar in the slide. But if you look closely at the image, you can see that the retaining collar is in the shape of an upside down "L". This patent is the earliest Parker patent I have found, but I am still looking.

The second Parker patent is 57957, issued 11 Sep 1866. This is another patent for improvements in vise construction. If you look closely at this image, the retaining collar is still the upside down "L".

The third patent is 71498, issued 26 Nov 1967. This patent is specifically for the classic Parker retaining collar. This is the collar that was used until Parker was bought out by Union. It you read through the text, Parker is recommending that the face of the slide be machined down to compensate for wear.

The vises are probably no later than early 1868 but could be much earlier i.e. pre 1854.

#11137
http://pdfpiw.uspto.gov/.piw?PageNu...%26S1=0011137.PN.%26OS=pn/11137%26RS=PN/11137

#57957
http://pdfpiw.uspto.gov/.piw?PageNu...%26S1=0057957.PN.%26OS=pn/57957%26RS=PN/57957

#71498
http://pdfpiw.uspto.gov/.piw?PageNu...%26S1=0071498.PN.%26OS=pn/71498%26RS=PN/71498

JKB

 

[zoomieport]

I call "B*LLSH*t" on the 1-1/2" baby Bullet...
Was the 2" TOO BIG for the "salesman" to carry???
NOPE!

Merry Christmas!
ZOOM

 

[joe.striper]

I call "B*LLSH*t" on the 1-1/2" baby Bullet...
Was the 2" TOO BIG for the "salesman" to carry???
NOPE!

Merry Christmas!
ZOOM

Zoomie, language!

I want pics and i want #s to insure someone didnt take a 2"er and sand it down.

Its interesting no?

 

[zoomieport]

No... lol!

 

[Outlawmws]

Zoomie may be drinking tonight!

 

[zoomieport]

I plead "the 5th of Grey Goose"!

Take Care Outlaw!
Merry Christmas!
Mike

 

[Boatman53]

I struggle with analysis paralysis and this project has languished for far too long. This thread has given me the inspiration to finally get it done. I have a plethora of vises as you all can imagine and couldn't decide which vise to mount on here.

But finally decided on this one due to the rotating jaws, and the goal is versatility.

The top of the jaws can be as low as 28" and as high as 46".

Jim