The VISES of Garage Journal

[zoomieport]

SPEAKING OF RARE SPECIMENS>>> LOL!!!

This one has been on eBay for AGES, it was about 75 miles from me, and we finally agreed on a price that I would drive through a blizzard for...
Original paint, sharp edges, these ones don't fall out of trees...

Take care y'all!
Mike

 

[kwoswalt99]

How well do you like the quick release?

 

[zoomieport]

It's kind of different, interesting I suppose...
I like my "CARDINAL SPEED VISE" (I think... VA, do a search, LOL!) better, as I consider the two "similar"..
But it's cool, none the less, I think.

Take Care!
Mike

 

[zoomieport]

Here is the Cardinal...

 

[zoomieport]

I had to go out and take a pic of this Reed 109 and the Keystone-Hollands salesman sample vise.

Is that Micky O's boot?

It's always a pleasure to see that MONSTER, DEMOMAN!

Take Care!
Mike

 

[trijeff]

Yeah, you picked up a couple of gems there, Zoom!

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[Shiftless]

A friend dropped off this unusual oldie for me tonight. Looks little used and still in original paint. Anybody familiar with the story of JSB vises? Marked "Japan" I believe they originally had the often lost pipe jaws.
Model 1504 with 4 inch jaws.
(Most) exposed screw models are the Rodney Dangerfields of the vise world.

 

[Outlawmws]

If I recall, JSB stands for Japan Steel Something...

I think my dads old 1 lb anvil was a JSB. (Daughter has it now for jewlery making)

 

[Shiftless]

Thanks outlaw!
And congrats on posting in the 50,000 spot

 

[GETRIDAONE]

How well do you like the quick release?

The handle has to be turned out almost a full round before it releases. The locking splines are very susceptible to wear and damage, so not very good if you put a lot of pressure on it.

zoomie, is the lettering white or faded yellow like I have seen on some ? I saw the prices on eBay . I think I payed about $75 with shipping for mine so I have at least one that has gone up in value . Mine didn't include a snow storm road trip story just UPS shipping from sunny Florida .

 

[454ragtop]

A friend dropped off this unusual oldie for me tonight. Looks little used and still in original paint. Anybody familiar with the story of JSB vises? Marked "Japan" I believe they originally had the often lost pipe jaws.
Model 1504 with 4 inch jaws.
(Most) exposed screw models are the Rodney Dangerfields of the vise world.

Shiftless the dynamic jaw with the rib and extra meat compared to most open screw vises looks a lot like a Craftsman 5216. Posted one I found here http://www.garagejournal.com/forum/showthread.php?p=5756315&highlight=Craftsman#post5756315

 

[Shiftless]

454:
Yes it does. Thanks for posting the link to the photos. Your early Craftsman is WAY cooler than my JSB. Picking yours up for $2.00 was a no brainer.

Mine was free but zero is close to its current market value.

 

[vtwinjunkie]

I would kill for a deal like that

 

[Shiftless]

vtwin:
Maybe 454 would sell you his lightweight Craftsman?
I have admired items purchased by GJ members who have then sold them to me. God bless flat rate shipping boxes!

I assume you weren't referring to my free JSB being a deal you'd kill for.

 

[454ragtop]

Just to clear up, paid $2. for the little clamp on shown in the first 2 pics. Think I paid $5. for the 5216, almost didn't buy it, with the open screw and the minor damage to the jaw ledge that can be seen in the pic, but like I said I was impressed with how much stronger it looked where the bar fits in the dynamic jaw casting. A lot of open screw vises I see are cracked in this area.

 

[zoomieport]

The handle has to be turned out almost a full round before it releases. The locking splines are very susceptible to wear and damage, so not very good if you put a lot of pressure on it.

zoomie, is the lettering white or faded yellow like I have seen on some ? I saw the prices on eBay . I think I payed about $75 with shipping for mine so I have at least one that has gone up in value . Mine didn't include a snow storm road trip story just UPS shipping from sunny Florida .

I agree, it's is not something I'd like bolted to my bench to be a user, but for my collection, it's unique... I paid a little more than I'd like, but far less than he was asking. Plus it really is in nearly unused condition, I had to have it...

Dark Putty Gray - body
Pale Yellow - letters

Take care GET!
Mike

 

[mlisac]

For anyone (like me) who wants the function but hasn't been able to locate a vintage Versa Vise, this is quite tempting for a new version. Under $40 for a new Yost "Multi-Angle Vise"

https://www.amazon.com/dp/B015KP2F5M/?tag=atomicindus08-20

It's sure as hell is not as cool as vintage.

 

[va.grouseman]

SPEAKING OF RARE SPECIMENS>>> LOL!!!

This one has been on eBay for AGES, it was about 75 miles from me, and we finally agreed on a price that I would drive through a blizzard for...
Original paint, sharp edges, these ones don't fall out of trees...

Take care y'all!
Mike

Zoom, I made him an offer on that vise only because it is just about mint, and you don't see many of them to start with, especially in that condition.---He made me a counter offer and I was afraid to make him another because I was afraid he would accept.---I already have 2 of them and 1 is just about as clean as that one but without the originally paint.---Add to that, I had just bought an Arora Morgan and had bids on two more, I had to exercise some discipline.---Yours is about museum quality.---Quality costs more.---Glad someone got it that appreciates what it is.

As for the question about usage of a quick release / quick set vises of any kind, I personally couldn't see me using one, cause they are not made heavy duty and most of my vise usage is 12 and 16 pound sledge work and sometimes as much as 48'' pipe wrench work.---Try that on Dodge and see what you get.---I have 7 different types of vises that use this type quick set/release mechanism.---They are just collectables.

 

[KMScott]

Speaking of quick release vises, has any one seen one like this. It is not mine but I was asked if I ever seen one and who makes it. No casting Identification's. Kind of looks like a Prentiss but the heavy gusset kind of says Parker. Purchased in NJ. I was told that when you back it up you can slide it forward or backwards then when you crank it in it locks up. The spring movs the nut off the small serrations. Might have casted in jaw plates since there is no screws for jaw replacement.

Zoomie nice grab on that Dodge, we all drooled over it for some time now and real glad you got it.

 

[bluebolt]

For anyone (like me) who wants the function but hasn't been able to locate a vintage Versa Vise, this is quite tempting for a new version. Under $40 for a new Yost "Multi-Angle Vise"

https://www.amazon.com/dp/B015KP2F5M/?tag=atomicindus08-20

It's sure as hell is not as cool as vintage.

I didn't know Yost had that vise, it appears the same as the Shop Fox Parrot vise and I wouldn't be surprised if the same Chinese maker supplies them to Yost and Shop Fox. They both have similar reviews, most people like them and some have had problems with them. The Yost (and probably the Shop Fox too) are gray iron castings so they are not very strong compared to a ductile iron vise.

Shop Fox does have an interesting set of pivot jaws for these.
https://www.amazon.com/dp/B0000DD4ZV/?tag=atomicindus08-20

 

[bluebolt]

Found another of the Versa Vice clones from Garrett Wade but this one has an IMPORTANT modification, a 90 degree angle adapter like was optional with the original! From reading the reviews it MIGHT be possible to get this piece separately.
http://www.garrettwade.com/ultimate-versatile-vise.html

Also they carry another interesting thing they have is a USA made pivot jaw accessory.
http://www.garrettwade.com/gyrojaw-...green=7c7ef7002-796c-211795-d04b-2b9d37b4b9b0

 

[topop101]

Agreed, great point, thank you!

I know how hard it is to get a decent collection and what I have invested, not to mention, I know the "value" of each, as "we" study them like a job/hobby.
I follow the "market" so to speak also, some of us have quite an investment, whether "people" agree or not.
A price is a price, they go up, they go down.
But Value, is Value and I pay for quality.
That guy, not even sure who he is, has some nice stuff.
He's got 5 that I would buy and pay to ship.
So I guess it's really about the buyer and the seller, no...?

I love a good "market conversation", because as I said, I've cash ******* in these "things", LOL!

I welcome all to discuss, or not, but I see the prices too, and some of us (tiny Hollands or whatever...), see the value in a "rare" specimen...

I hope our cast iron turns out to be gold, or at least, we have some fun...

Take Care ALL!
Merry Christmas!
ZOOM

Zoom I'll talk turkey with ya. As both a collector and flipper I see very well both sides of the deal. By flippin I am able to offset the cost of my collecting . I will admit I'm not successful 99 % of the time on ebay going after a rare tool. It's not that I'm not willing to pay top $ but always seem to get beat in the last few seconds by quicker fingers??? I do far better in person when I can use my many years of experience in BSing to close a deal. To me, finding old tools from the 1800's is hitting the jack pot every time. Whether it be a vise or handsaw or just some old shovel. Then to find anything pre civil war US made simply rocks like a Daniel Simonds nickel 12" broad axe. I can make money every day. Finding and preserving some old piece of iron from 150+ years ago is worth my cash. I mean just look at what we produce today. Very few maker marks, mostly paper stickers to save a buck. Things are designed to fail so you have to buy again. Very few tools today are built to last life time'SSS .
I guess what I'm trying to say is these old, rare, well built vise's and other tools are worth a premium $. If they were to be built today to the standard of yesterday the new price would be very high. Just today I paid $80.00 for and old Rock Island #141. Did I pay too much? Does it matter that it's probably a century old or close? I mean it's just a 3-1/2" vise... does it matter that the vise is a combo and still has the original pipe jaws ? Or that it has all the original single bolt mounting hardware? Or that it doesn't have hardly a scratch on it much less a hammer ding. What would one this well built cost new today ? 600? 800? was 80 to much? Not for my wallet!!!
So those that want to hack on us that may over pay for a great vise or other tool maybe they should look into there own tool box and see what they will be leaving behind for there kids, grandkids or great grand kids because I know what I'm leaving will out last even them!

 

[bluebolt]

I think I just found some NOS Wilburt Versa Vise accessories. Wish me luck, won't know for sure until they get here in the mail.

 

[zoomieport]

Zoom I'll talk turkey with ya. As both a collector and flipper I see very well both sides of the deal. By flippin I am able to offset the cost of my collecting . I will admit I'm not successful 99 % of the time on ebay going after a rare tool. It's not that I'm not willing to pay top $ but always seem to get beat in the last few seconds by quicker fingers??? I do far better in person when I can use my many years of experience in BSing to close a deal. To me, finding old tools from the 1800's is hitting the jack pot every time. Whether it be a vise or handsaw or just some old shovel. Then to find anything pre civil war US made simply rocks like a Daniel Simonds nickel 12" broad axe. I can make money every day. Finding and preserving some old piece of iron from 150+ years ago is worth my cash. I mean just look at what we produce today. Very few maker marks, mostly paper stickers to save a buck. Things are designed to fail so you have to buy again. Very few tools today are built to last life time'SSS .
I guess what I'm trying to say is these old, rare, well built vise's and other tools are worth a premium $. If they were to be built today to the standard of yesterday the new price would be very high. Just today I paid $80.00 for and old Rock Island #141. Did I pay too much? Does it matter that it's probably a century old or close? I mean it's just a 3-1/2" vise... does it matter that the vise is a combo and still has the original pipe jaws ? Or that it has all the original single bolt mounting hardware? Or that it doesn't have hardly a scratch on it much less a hammer ding. What would one this well built cost new today ? 600? 800? was 80 to much? Not for my wallet!!!
So those that want to hack on us that may over pay for a great vise or other tool maybe they should look into there own tool box and see what they will be leaving behind for there kids, grandkids or great grand kids because I know what I'm leaving will out last even them!

Well stated, thank you.

Nice RI too!

Take care!
ZOOM

 

[rusty65]

Top: that Rock island is a nice one. I'm kinda partial to the through the bench swivel bases they have a old school look to them and one of my favorite vises I own is a reed no 32 which is also a through the bench style. Also that's just oil on the back slide of the vise not rust or anything.

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[drivesitfar]

Top: well said and i agree just like i'm sure Zoomie, GET, VA, Meatsis, Gman, Loydski and a few others that FLIP them that like old tools that were made to last and not made to throw away to create more sales.

i had the Rock Island 141 and sold it cause i have the same version in a Reed 31, but neither had the pipe jaws that usually are MIA.

 

[cajunfirehawk]

A few circa 1940 wiltons (if I am reading the date codes correctly?) showed up on my porch, C-0 w/double pin pipe jaw and a super clean baby...





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[Blue Frog]

I just won these beauties from an on-line auction. Can't wait to pick them up on Sunday!











Blue Frog

 

[CrotalusAtrox]

So lets talk more about that double pinned C0, I have one on the way, Do you plan to take those pipe jaws out?

Sorry didn't see your post until now. Yes I take out the pipe jaws they drive out prettty easy

 

[cajunfirehawk]

Sorry didn't see your post until now. Yes I take out the pipe jaws they drive out prettty easy

NP, yes came out real easy, surprised actually. (see my post 50038)

 

[Shiftless]

Anybody want a Reed 106 R ???

Jaws are good. Lots of surface rust. Cranks in and out fine. Most would agree that it needs a new handle. One third of a rotation free play. The worst part is one of the front mounting lugs is broken off. Three remaining are fine.

Seller wants $175 which, considering condition, even in my area is too high IMHO.

What think ye O' masters of various vices? (sp)

 

[CrotalusAtrox]

NP, yes came out real easy, surprised actually. (see my post 50038)
https://goo.gl/photos/iiFPt4HXZK2c86YP
(let me know if you can see google pic link)

Can't see pic

 

[Shiftless]

Reed 106 R. other side

Note missing front lug lower right.

 

[kwoswalt99]

Speaking of quick release vises, has any one seen one like this. It is not mine but I was asked if I ever seen one and who makes it. No casting Identification's. Kind of looks like a Prentiss but the heavy gusset kind of says Parker. Purchased in NJ. I was told that when you back it up you can slide it forward or backwards then when you crank it in it locks up. The spring movs the nut off the small serrations. Might have casted in jaw plates since there is no screws for jaw replacement.

Zoomie nice grab on that Dodge, we all drooled over it for some time now and real glad you got it.

Looks like an early Parker to me.

 

[cajunfirehawk]

Can't see pic

fixxed, see above, thx

 

[Boatman53]

Nice get on those vises Blue Frog I see you haven't lost your charm. You still got that Wilton I sold you?
Jim

 

[Blue Frog]

Nice get on those vises Blue Frog I see you haven't lost your charm. You still got that Wilton I sold you?
Jim

Jim,

Still have it, along with a NOS 825 and a 1947 vintage 920 in very good condition.

Are you still using the long-lip version of the Versa Vise?

Blue Frog

 

[Outlawmws]

Has anyone actually used those Wade Garret vises? In that 2-1/2 min Vid, he was using thumbscrews to lock in position? Did he leave the "lock on close" feature out; or is he just using the thumb screw for a temp. location so its not falling over before being tightened closed?

 

[Outlawmws]

BF, great score!

 

[bluebolt]

Has anyone actually used those Wade Garret vises? In that 2-1/2 min Vid, he was using thumbscrews to lock in position? Did he leave the "lock on close" feature out; or is he just using the thumb screw for a temp. location so its not falling over before being tightened closed?

I can see the lockout lever still there so the thumbscrew lets you get it set up before tightening.