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[bluebolt]

A few circa 1940 wiltons (if I am reading the date codes correctly?) showed up on my porch, C-0 w/double pin pipe jaw and a super clean baby...
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The C0 (12-53) is December 1953 and the baby (7-945) is June 1945. Post those on the Wilton date thread in the Vintage Tools section.

 

[trijeff]

BF nice scores! That baby Bison powr arm combo is so nice ... look brand new!

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[Boatman53]

I didn't see the vid but the locking screw makes the vise more manageable when used on the horizontal post. I've thought of adding that to one of mine that is set up on the Pow-R-Arm so it doesn't swivel all over the place.

Yes Blue Frog it lives here.

Jim

 

[Boatman53]

I made one of those wedge things for mine. Just some plywood and a maple triangle glued on.

Works great.
Jim

 

[zoomieport]

Zoom, I made him an offer on that vise only because it is just about mint, and you don't see many of them to start with, especially in that condition.---He made me a counter offer and I was afraid to make him another because I was afraid he would accept.---I already have 2 of them and 1 is just about as clean as that one but without the originally paint.---Add to that, I had just bought an Arora Morgan and had bids on two more, I had to exercise some discipline.---Yours is about museum quality.---Quality costs more.---Glad someone got it that appreciates what it is.

As for the question about usage of a quick release / quick set vises of any kind, I personally couldn't see me using one, cause they are not made heavy duty and most of my vise usage is 12 and 16 pound sledge work and sometimes as much as 48'' pipe wrench work.---Try that on Dodge and see what you get.---I have 7 different types of vises that use this type quick set/release mechanism.---They are just collectables.

I love the "Aurora" angle!
I "started" on Morgans. They are stout, study and underrated, in my opinion.
The only one I am missing of the "basics", is a #170, that I think I've seen one of and if I recall correctly, it was Big Caddy's.
I'd love to find one of those!
Mine are all different "cities" though...

Always great to hear about your cool stuff, thanks VA!

Merry Christmas!
Mike

 

[rusty65]

I bought this little 2 1/4 jaw Triumph Germany vise a month or so ago and haven't seen very many so I figured I'd post a few pictures. The vise uses a front retainer clip and the rear jaw moves instead of the front and the nut is not held in place by pins or anything just friction I guess which I thought was interesting. If anyone has any history or another triumph vise please post.


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[zoomieport]

Anybody want a Reed 106 R ???

Jaws are good. Lots of surface rust. Cranks in and out fine. Most would agree that it needs a new handle. One third of a rotation free play. The worst part is one of the front mounting lugs is broken off. Three remaining are fine.

Seller wants $175 which, considering condition, even in my area is too high IMHO.

What think ye O' masters of various vices? (sp)

Lug notwithstanding...

You should be able to get the backlash out of that model REED, I "believe"... due to the split-nut collar and main nut design that I "think" that model has...?
Correct me if I am wrong fellas. I LOVE ME SOME REEDS!

Merry Christmas!
ZOOM

 

[zoomieport]

Speaking of quick release vises, has any one seen one like this. It is not mine but I was asked if I ever seen one and who makes it. No casting Identification's. Kind of looks like a Prentiss but the heavy gusset kind of says Parker. Purchased in NJ. I was told that when you back it up you can slide it forward or backwards then when you crank it in it locks up. The spring movs the nut off the small serrations. Might have casted in jaw plates since there is no screws for jaw replacement.

Zoomie nice grab on that Dodge, we all drooled over it for some time now and real glad you got it.

Looks like an early Parker to me.

Kevin, I believe what you've got there is a pretty damned rare ATHOL (pretty damned sure I'm sure too, wink.).
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[Brorex]

Fulton iron works
Cheney #30?
I can't seem to find a #30 online. Haven't looked real hard yet though. The paint is horrible but is in decent shape otherwise (edit) found one some pages back. I think I'm going to like this vise


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[va.grouseman]

Topop, I've got an old Oswego 87 that's similar to your Rock 141.---I'd like to see someone put that kind of quality in a tool that a working man could afford.

 

[zoomieport]

That looks like a stout piece of equipment, VA.

Parker Nut, too..

 

[72highboy]

A few circa 1940 wiltons (if I am reading the date codes correctly?) showed up on my porch, C-0 w/double pin pipe jaw and a super clean baby...





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I'm starting to think these double pinned c0s aren't all that rare..

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[Bobioz1]

I'm starting to think these double pinned c0s aren't all that rare..

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Diito

 

[kwoswalt99]

Kevin, I believe what you've got there is a pretty damned rare ATHOL (pretty damned sure I'm sure too, wink.).
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You're right. I can't find the patent for it though.

 

[Provincial]

I found this vise at an estate sale this month. It had belonged to the deceased's grandfather, so it is at least 100 years old. It is an Oswego, identified by the circle T trademark, and is a Smith's Patent. The jaw width is 4-1/2 inches.

It is missing the pipe jaws, the base plate, and the original mounting stud/wing nut. The jaw inserts have been brazed on, which isn't surprising, given that these vises were often broken. The stationary jaw doesn't appear to have any damage. I put some light oil on the moving parts and it works smoothly. I had to remove the dynamic jaw in order to lift the parts by myself.

The interesting thing is that it has a bell emblem cast into the stationary jaw frame. The emblem is very much like the Bell System logo. Besides that, I can find no markings other than the standard Oswego Circle T, No. 3 Comb. cast-in markings.

I started a new thread in the General Tool Discussion in hopes of finding information from the larger audience.

 

[CRSINMICH]

Brorex: Here are a few old ads for Cheney. I also included an old drawing of the Fulton Iron Works and patent drawings for Cheney. Don't beat on it. The anvil section is hollow.

 

[CrotalusAtrox]

Diito

I think there are less of them then the single pin and clip style but that's just my opinion and it is only based on what I have seen out in the market. I don't have access to Wiltons production records so I am making an assumption. Regardless of rarity I really like the design

 

[bagged89s10]

I found this vise at an estate sale this month. It had belonged to the deceased's grandfather, so it is at least 100 years old. It is an Oswego, identified by the circle T trademark, and is a Smith's Patent. The jaw width is 4-1/2 inches.



It is missing the pipe jaws, the base plate, and the original mounting stud/wing nut. The jaw inserts have been brazed on, which isn't surprising, given that these vises were often broken. The stationary jaw doesn't appear to have any damage. I put some light oil on the moving parts and it works smoothly. I had to remove the dynamic jaw in order to lift the parts by myself.



The interesting thing is that it has a bell emblem cast into the stationary jaw frame. The emblem is very much like the Bell System logo. Besides that, I can find no markings other than the standard Oswego Circle T, No. 3 Comb. cast-in markings.



I started a new thread in the General Tool Discussion in hopes of finding information from the larger audience.

Now that's an old Oswego. Very nice vise. They seem to be very rare. I have an Oswego 88 which is slightly newer. It's semi restored.

 

[topop101]

Topop, I've got an old Oswego 87 that's similar to your Rock 141.---I'd like to see someone put that kind of quality in a tool that a working man could afford.

Va I'm afraid those days have long past. I think our best chance at owning quality at a price we can afford is doing what we do. Saving this old iron from scrappers that need a fix . I get satisfaction every time I take an old vise and after restoring it putting it in the hands of a fellow tradesman for a good affordable price. Usually half the price or less of a new Wilton today. I get enjoyment out of all aspects of this. From finding it, restoring it, to selling it. Doing this allows me to keep a few

 

[CrotalusAtrox]

Need to get some new jaws for this one. No major issue just some clean up with a file and a bit of polishing. Its ready to make America great again.

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[topop101]

Topop, I've got an old Oswego 87 that's similar to your Rock 141.---I'd like to see someone put that kind of quality in a tool that a working man could afford.

VA That is a great looking machine! I don't find Oswego's in my area. I like the simple restore you did on that. Some time less is more!

 

[mlisac]

I made one of those wedge things for mine. Just some plywood and a maple triangle glued on.

Works great.
Jim

That is pretty slick

 

[mlisac]

Found another of the Versa Vice clones from Garrett Wade but this one has an IMPORTANT modification, a 90 degree angle adapter like was optional with the original! From reading the reviews it MIGHT be possible to get this piece separately.
http://www.garrettwade.com/ultimate-versatile-vise.html

Also they carry another interesting thing they have is a USA made pivot jaw accessory.
http://www.garrettwade.com/gyrojaw-...green=7c7ef7002-796c-211795-d04b-2b9d37b4b9b0

I looked at those also. The idea of trying out a "Versa Vise" for under $40 got my blood pumping.

"you should be more patient"
- my wife

 

[Bcom]

Need to get some new jaws for this one. No major issue just some clean up with a file and a bit of polishing. Its ready to make America great again.

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I love the double pinned C0s. I really think they are rarer than people think. After my friend selling one on Ebay for $600 plus shipping,others must find them just as appealing

 

[Bobioz1]

I think there are less of them then the single pin and clip style but that's just my opinion and it is only based on what I have seen out in the market. I don't have access to Wiltons production records so I am making an assumption. Regardless of rarity I really like the design

I think the double pinned design is superior and looks better too. My later C1 has set screws and shims. Definently not "new and improved". Are the holes in the double pinned pipe jaws elongated so they can "float" a little?

 

[trijeff]

While I like the look of the double pin WAY more than the others, I've never seen the pipe jaw are cracked or broken on the spring clip type, but have seen it on both pin and screw types. Probably the float issue as B1 mentions.

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[Bobioz1]

While I like the look of the double pin WAY more than the others, I've never seen the pipe jaw are cracked or broken on the spring clip type, but have seen it on both pin and screw types. Probably the float issue as B1 mentions.

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Thanks for sharing that! Maybe it was an improvement.

 

[454ragtop]

Might be a cheap fixer upper for someone around PA http://www.ebay.com/itm/American-Table-Vise-4-/262762546913?hash=item3d2dde46e1:g:b5IAAOSw4GVYJrXN

 

[topop101]

This one just showed up in the mail today. It show no signs of use or even ever being bolted down. Kind of curious about a few points on it. The lead screw sticks out past the end and there's no dust cap and the hardware attaching the swivel base isn't original. It's marked Chicago as all my babies are but this one is the "newest" one I have stamp dated 1-73. It also has about 99% of what looks to be the original finish. The most interesting point is the anvil pad was never ground. Any one have any insight as to why this is?

 

[cajunfirehawk]

I think the double pinned design is superior and looks better too. My later C1 has set screws and shims. Definently not "new and improved". Are the holes in the double pinned pipe jaws elongated so they can "float" a little?

No sir...

 

[cajunfirehawk]

Need to get some new jaws for this one. No major issue just some clean up with a file and a bit of polishing. Its ready to make America great again.

I sent KMScott one of my pipe jaws as a sample because he did not have any C-0 double pin pipe jaws but he will soon, stand bye

 

[Bobioz1]

No sir...

Thank you

 

[CrotalusAtrox]

Well I was out hunting for tools today and came across this kids work bench with a vise attached to it. We agreed on a price of $30 for this little guy that was 15 times more then the first one I bought but I think I did ok

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[joe.striper]

I apologize but Im away from my computer and I'm curious, I'm bidding on ebay for an Acme vise. I am sure it is a rebadged Wilton 840. I swear I've seen this discussion on here before.

Am I wrong? Im sure I wont win it....

 

[zoomieport]

I apologize but Im away from my computer and I'm curious, I'm bidding on ebay for an Acme vise. I am sure it is a rebadged Wilton 840. I swear I've seen this discussion on here before.

Am I wrong? Im sure I wont win it....

You are correct, Sir.

 

[KMScott]

I think the double pinned design is superior and looks better too. My later C1 has set screws and shims. Definently not "new and improved". Are the holes in the double pinned pipe jaws elongated so they can "float" a little?

No, the holes are larger then the pins and the reason I believe is because the castings are really not that accurate to align both pipe jaws in the same spot across from each other. The pipe jaws should float to align on a bar or pipe or what ever you are grabbing. The C1 pipe jaws might have 7/16 pins or even 3/8's. The clip design is the best method in my opinion but the pin set up looks pretty nice. This C1 I added the holes and made my own pins using a C-Clip.

Note that Reed used the same pipe jaw as Wilton or visa versa. Both were made in the same shop is my guess.

 

[Outlawmws]

CA, you Double ****!

 

[CrotalusAtrox]

This one just showed up in the mail today. It show no signs of use or even ever being bolted down. Kind of curious about a few points on it. The lead screw sticks out past the end and there's no dust cap and the hardware attaching the swivel base isn't original. It's marked Chicago as all my babies are but this one is the "newest" one I have stamp dated 1-73. It also has about 99% of what looks to be the original finish. The most interesting point is the anvil pad was never ground. Any one have any insight as to why this is?

Looks like new

 

[Outlawmws]

Bagged you need to put that side by side with the similar Parker. it certainly has the Parker style jaws...

For anyone (like me) who wants the function but hasn't been able to locate a vintage Versa Vise, this is quite tempting for a new version. Under $40 for a new Yost "Multi-Angle Vise"

https://www.amazon.com/dp/B015KP2F5M/?tag=atomicindus08-20

It's sure as hell is not as cool as vintage.

Now that's an old Oswego. Very nice vise. They seem to be very rare. I have an Oswego 88 which is slightly newer. It's semi restored.

 

[Outlawmws]

Boatman that is a great jaw addition! Well Done!

I have a similar jaw on a tiny DP vise I have (1-1/2 " jaws...) I just never gave any thought as to doing it for a larger vise. The Ply holder really makes the difference.

I made one of those wedge things for mine. Just some plywood and a maple triangle glued on.

Works great.
Jim