Is this a genuine IR anvil, or a counterfeit?

[454ragtop]

I ordered what was supposed to be a genuine IR anvil for my 2135Ti, part # 231B-A626 from a seller on Ebay. Item shows up in a plain zip lock bag, nothing to ID it as genuine. Seller insists it is, says you can tell by the twin hammer logo. So I pulled the OEM broken anvil out of the gun, logo isn't really the same. My original broken anvil is stamped a lot deeper and clearer, replacement almost looks like a poor copy. Last pic shows what I was expecting to receive, with a factory pkg. Note that this pic isn't from the Ebay listing, just one I found on the web. Anybody have any experience with these? Wonder if I should try contacting IR to see what they say?
TIA, Jim

 

[hemifalcon]

Probably an aftermarket contracted replacement piece by IR.. OR--Chinese knockoff. Supposed too be new? How good of a deal was it??


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[454ragtop]

Here's the link http://www.ebay.com/itm/142175454302?_trksid=p2057872.m2749.l2649&ssPageName=STRK:MEBIDX:IT
Was $38 with shipping.

 

[Spdfreak91]

I'm no expert but i did the same thing as you (different seller), after going back and forth me saying fake and them saying oem, I sent it back and they gave me an oem, finally they admitted to "same as factory just in bulk pack" I saw it as if it doesn't have the strong edge in the emblem its either a fake or aftermarket

 

[stikman56]

I haven't seen any copies that I can remember on those that had the logo stamped on them.

 

[Marlin]

The logo is actually backwards. Looks like a fake.

 

[Derek420]

Clearly a knock off generic as logo is backwards and light, looks etched, I've seen a lot of stuff like that it's a Chinese copy they do that **** and change logo slightly to Dodge law suits or at least try. Seller bought that for pennies on the $1 and charged you retail, you see this a lot on eBay the Chinese fake everything from video game controllers/parts, purses, (your product) every time I've bought knock off from eBay they always **** out as they are not quality made just quantity made.... Return that or you will be out $40 and have to start over... EBay is buyer beware as they have even sold fake Hazet tool sets that looked almost like real deal enough to fool anyone not an expert about the tools. Chinese fake anything they can sell.

 

[freudianfloyd]

I ordered what was supposed to be a genuine IR anvil for my 2135Ti, part # 231B-A626 from a seller on Ebay. Item shows up in a plain zip lock bag, nothing to ID it as genuine. Seller insists it is, says you can tell by the twin hammer logo. So I pulled the OEM broken anvil out of the gun, logo isn't really the same. My original broken anvil is stamped a lot deeper and clearer, replacement almost looks like a poor copy. Last pic shows what I was expecting to receive, with a factory pkg. Note that this pic isn't from the Ebay listing, just one I found on the web. Anybody have any experience with these? Wonder if I should try contacting IR to see what they say?
TIA, Jim

Looks like a Sunex logo to me.

 

[WWheeler]

Airgas usually keeps the real deal in stock for about $40

 

[EOC_Jason]

My vote is for chinese knockoff... The backwards / crappy logo imprint is the red light...

Sometimes you pay a little more to buy from a reputable source, but in the end at least you know you are getting the part you want.

 

[Engine]

Looks like somebody made that logo using a hammer and punch. Not even a good copy of the real item.

I know it's not the same thing, but it reminds me of the knockoffs of the Mitutoyo digital calipers that are priced 25% of the real ones. In the pictures they look exactly like the real thing but I'm sure if you had both in hand the differences would be clear.

 

[bczygan]

Horrible cheap not even close copy.

 

[SMKS]

Probably just aftermarket, not necessarily counterfeit. Maybe it was misrepresented by the seller, but that doesn't make it counterfeit.

If they were really going to counterfeit it, then they wouldn't make A different logo. They would just exactly copy the real logo.

 

[TK-421]

Probably just aftermarket, not necessarily counterfeit. Maybe it was misrepresented by the seller, but that doesn't make it counterfeit.

If they were really going to counterfeit it, then they wouldn't make A different logo. They would just exactly copy the real logo.

But if it's aftermarket, and they're trying to pass it off as OEM, doesn't that make it counterfeit?

 

[The Cobbler]

I would open a case with Ebay, or tell the seller you plan to if he won't refund your money and shipping

 

[SMKS]

But if it's aftermarket, and they're trying to pass it off as OEM, doesn't that make it counterfeit?

That would make it misrepresented by the seller, not counterfeit.

If it came in package with fake IR labels and an exact copy of the IR stamp and everything, then it would be counterfeit.

There's a differance between a truly counterfeit item and an aftermarket part being misrepresented by a sketchy seller.

 

[454ragtop]

If it had no logo, I would agree. But the kinda sorta same logo tells me whomever made it was trying to pass it off as the real thing. Same as a bad counterfeit bill, just cause it's poorly done doesn't mean it isn't counterfeit.

 

[Spdfreak91]

also look for the hole in the OEM anvil my after market they send didnt have one which was also a tell tale sign.

 

[454ragtop]

Well, the plot thickens. I sent IR the pic showing the 2 logos last week to see if they would confirm it is counterfeit. They asked where I purchased it, told them Ebay. Got an email today that basically says they cannot confirm parts from sellers who aren't authorized dealers or resellers. But, they did change suppliers for the anvils, and the method of etching the logos. Then went on to say the logo looks correct, but because of where I got it, they can't confirm that it is genuine since it was purchased outside their controlled distribution network. So I guess I'm going to use it.

Oh, and Spdfreak, it does have the hole, in the same spot as my original.

 

[TK-421]

That would make it misrepresented by the seller, not counterfeit.

If it came in package with fake IR labels and an exact copy of the IR stamp and everything, then it would be counterfeit.

There's a differance between a truly counterfeit item and an aftermarket part being misrepresented by a sketchy seller.

An exact copy would make it a very good counterfeit, but it doesn't have to be exact, or even good, to still be considered counterfeit.

Counterfeit is simply the way it's designed/presented; if it's presented as genuine, and it's not, then it's counterfeit. Doesn't matter how good or bad the counterfeit job is.

It could entirely be that this item was misrepresented to the seller, and the seller bought it thinking it was a good deal, and is now turning them around and selling them the way they were described originally, and is entirely unaware that they're not genuine.

 

[EOC_Jason]

An exact copy would make it a very good counterfeit, but it doesn't have to be exact, or even good, to still be considered counterfeit.

Funny story, sometimes the authorities discover counterfeit products because they look nicer than the original... lol, go figure.

 

[Marlin]

Well, the plot thickens. I sent IR the pic showing the 2 logos last week to see if they would confirm it is counterfeit. They asked where I purchased it, told them Ebay. Got an email today that basically says they cannot confirm parts from sellers who aren't authorized dealers or resellers. But, they did change suppliers for the anvils, and the method of etching the logos. Then went on to say the logo looks correct, but because of where I got it, they can't confirm that it is genuine since it was purchased outside their controlled distribution network. So I guess I'm going to use it.

Oh, and Spdfreak, it does have the hole, in the same spot as my original.

I know for sure that the logo does not look correct. I doubt the drawing shows the logo and then has a note that says a mirror image is also acceptable. My guess is the person answering your questions may not have access to the drawings.

 

[EOC_Jason]

If the logo was the right direction it would be plausible. But to have a reverse logo on a supposedly legitimate product just wouldn't fly.

 

[Roberts210]

Well, let us know how long it lasts.