Above 1200 Sq/FT Cleaning Up My Shop

[bolensboneyard]

Andy just dropped by to wish you and yours a Merry Christmas. Bobby

 

[oldironfarmer]

Know what you mean about getting things fed. We are supposed to drop to -11 with -25F wind chills today/tonight. I have considered getting a heat houser for my Oliver 1650 but never have. We don't usually feed round bales in the field for the horses but put two in for the saddle horses and two teams and one in the field with the grandkids ponies. Then went ahead and drug up a long log by the outside wood burner to use up (these below zero plunges use up the wood!). Be safe.

I've wanted a heat houser for an M, but I have an aluminum cab I'm too lazy to install. I really love Olivers. If my families (on both sides) hadn't had Farmalls I might have been an Oliver guy.

it looks like you have the remnants of my old '39 model A farmall. do you think it is restorable? and i really like the broom with the blue handle!

jim

No, that's remnants of my '39 model A. But you couldn't tell it was a '39. It's restorable, but was burned, so it needs radiator, starter, magneto, carburetor, tires, fuel tank, and you've spent more than it costs to buy a restored one Plus it's been like that for 26 years

Glad you like the broom! No transportation jokes with the ladies

Andy just dropped by to wish you and yours a Merry Christmas. Bobby

Merry Christmas to you and yours too!!

 

[oldironfarmer]

People occasionally ask about costs, and post costs. Here is a cost summary for my 1,500 sq ft add on. Any paid labor is included. My son in law helped frame and dug the footings gratis.

Concrete $4,809.00
Lumber $3,163.92
Metal $1,647.72
Insulation $3,039.00
Sheetrock $1,081.04
Hang Sheetrock $600.00
Sheetrock Finishing $1,173.20
Doors and Windows $3,509.00
Electrical $546.65
Paint $254.19
Lights $908.00
Air $491.12
Total $24,731.84
Per sq ft $16.49


Sorry I couldn't get columns to line up.

My banker didn't think I could come in under $20/sq ft like I told him. He said $50. HA! Of course I didn't have to do framing or outside metal for 75 ft of wall (existing wall) but it got new sheetrock, same with the roof on 600 sq ft, but it got joists, sheetrock, and insulation. And it does include plenty of lights.

Not included is the lift ($2,800), Coke machine, storage cabinets and bolt bins, new tools, or projects to fill it with. I also did not include anything for leftover materials and lumber I used (maybe $1,000) but I did include the heifer/concrete trade.

All in all I'm pretty pleased with the results. And I'm cheap. So I'm hard to please on the financial end.

 

[dlcwent]

"Thrifty Andy". Maybe that's what I'll call you from now on instead of "Lazy Andy".

I just wanted to thank you for all you've added here on the GJ, you are one of the best it has to offer. So before this week slips away I wanted to say thank you and I truly hope you and your family have a wonderful Christmas.

 

[jbmatth]

That is great on the cost of the addition, I wouldn't have expected you'd be able to do it for under $20/sq.ft. either, my had is off to you. I'm beginning to think a lot more about a new addition to my place when the temps go down into the dumps like this weekend. Enjoy the new warm shop space and get those cows fed.
JB

P.S. I hope you and yours have a very Merry Christmas and a happy new year.

 

[oldironfarmer]

"Thrifty Andy". Maybe that's what I'll call you from now on instead of "Lazy Andy".

I just wanted to thank you for all you've added here on the GJ, you are one of the best it has to offer. So before this week slips away I wanted to say thank you and I truly hope you and your family have a wonderful Christmas.

Thanks for your kind words, Dan. I'm so new here, and really like the interaction between people with similar interests. You guys have really made me feel welcome, even though my feeble attempt at humor often misses the mark. But it is ingrained and something I can't avoid.

You are a big part of what I like about GJ.

Merry Christmas!

That is great on the cost of the addition, I wouldn't have expected you'd be able to do it for under $20/sq.ft. either, my had is off to you. I'm beginning to think a lot more about a new addition to my place when the temps go down into the dumps like this weekend. Enjoy the new warm shop space and get those cows fed.
JB

P.S. I hope you and yours have a very Merry Christmas and a happy new year.

Thanks for your comments JB! Or can I just call you Matth?

I really struggled over posting costs. Deleted it several times. But in the end, I think it is important for people to realize that you can do suitable work inexpensively if you watch where you spend. There is a tendency to just "go for broke" when doing a pretty much one time addition or new build, and that can be achieved, "broke". I realize my goal is to have a comfortable space with minimum cost while lots of fine garages are built to be show places. Nothing wrong with either approach, of course, unless those with limited resources think they can't have what they need because they feel the need to go "first class". LED's for show or T8's for light, for example. I admire The **** Shack for getting a very workable space with low inputs. Enough in fact he may just get the first annual "Clean Sweep of Achievement Award", which will consist of, what else, a free home made broom.

Thanks for the visits, everyone, and I hope each gets to be with their family members this Christmas season.

 

[drivesitfar]

Andy: one thing to note about your costs is that you are very wise and handy so if it didn't sound right or needed a fix you could step right in and make it right. also knowing some of the right people and companies to call for certain jobs is a bit plus. even at your brisk pace i bet there were some days you'd wake up and wish it was just DONE.

you've done and are doing a great job and like i said it's a pleasure just watching and learning what you call REDNECK ways to GET R DONE.

after watching a few tornado movies and clips i had to wonder if that wasn't how you ended up with a CABOOSE in your yard. i hope a twister never comes within miles of you or your friends, but what i remember of Oklahoma and i was only in Tulsa was that the WIND was ALWAYS BLOWING.

TAKE CARE and i'll be ordering a few brooms for you in 2017 so hoping you get your shop cleaned up and put back in order.

 

[oldironfarmer]

Somebody asked about "wind chill" over on Thomas' thread. There is much misunderstanding over wind chill. It is only the perceived effect on human skin. If it is 33 degrees out water will not freeze no matter how fast the wind is blowing. But 33 degrees with a 40 mph wind may "feel" like 5 degrees. But water still will not freeze at 5 degrees wind chill if the temperature is 33 degrees.

The feeling is real and it gives you a good idea of how to dress. But if the wind chill is 10 degrees that is dead still air, so you dress for going into a walk in freezer at 10 degrees. Gloves and wind resistant clothes remove most of the effect of wind chill because the wind chill is the apparent temperature seen by exposed human skin.

OK, so maybe it is not too easy to explain.

 

[madoc1]

Somebody asked about "wind chill" over on Thomas' thread. There is much misunderstanding over wind chill. It is only the perceived effect on human skin. If it is 33 degrees out water will not freeze no matter how fast the wind is blowing. But 33 degrees with a 40 mph wind may "feel" like 5 degrees. But water still will not freeze at 5 degrees wind chill if the temperature is 33 degrees.

The feeling is real and it gives you a good idea of how to dress. But if the wind chill is 10 degrees that is dead still air, so you dress for going into a walk in freezer at 10 degrees. Gloves and wind resistant clothes remove most of the effect of wind chill because the wind chill is the apparent temperature seen by exposed human skin.

OK, so maybe it is not too easy to explain.

makes me wonder how they came up with the charts for wind chill. human testing where many give their opinion as to how cold they THINK it is and then average out the results? maybe google has an answer!

jim

 

[madoc1]

funny, just googled wind chill and the latest formula was developed by us and can. using human volunteers in a wind tunnel, although using sensors on their skin. interestingly, the first concept
for wind chill was develop by two scientists in the antartica in 1940.
google does seem to be a know-it-all. i wonder if it knows who won the election?

jim

 

[bdbecker]

Somebody asked about "wind chill" over on Thomas' thread. There is much misunderstanding over wind chill...

I stopped trying to explain to people that wind chill is only a perceived temperature, not an actual one, just like heat index. Some folks have a really hard time wrapping their heads around the idea that objects (specifically cars in the cold weather) aren't actually affected by wind chill.

 

[oldironfarmer]

Andy: one thing to note about your costs is that you are very wise and handy so if it didn't sound right or needed a fix you could step right in and make it right. also knowing some of the right people and companies to call for certain jobs is a bit plus. even at your brisk pace i bet there were some days you'd wake up and wish it was just DONE.

you've done and are doing a great job and like i said it's a pleasure just watching and learning what you call REDNECK ways to GET R DONE.

I don't feel very wise, but thanks for the good words! It is great to be able to call on people you have worked with for years and know they can respond. The barn/house I'm building came up a little short on fill when they string lined it, and when I called my septic/dozer/dump truck guy today he said he would get me some out tomorrow (Tuesday). We're trying to get the slab poured Thursday to hit a warm weather window and need fill, then plumbing, then rebar and the concrete guy said he'd be there Thursday. lumber yard said they would get the rebar delivered.

So far I've not wished it were done, because I know I've got a long path to get all the rooms cleaned, fitted out, and organized. Just can't think about being done.

What I wake up thinking most days is I wish I could spend more time on the shop. MRI for the wife today, then met with the plumber on the new barn/house. (Is that spelled "hoose" in Canada, eh?)

after watching a few tornado movies and clips i had to wonder if that wasn't how you ended up with a CABOOSE in your yard. i hope a twister never comes within miles of you or your friends, but what i remember of Oklahoma and i was only in Tulsa was that the WIND was ALWAYS BLOWING.

TAKE CARE and i'll be ordering a few brooms for you in 2017 so hoping you get your shop cleaned up and put back in order.

I have never seen a tornado in real life. It is usually dark and raining hard. The closest one missed me by a mile. Exactly. The wind does not always blow, I don't think. I'd be happy to sell you some brooms, I'm used to working in disorder, so let me know! Always a pleasure ot have you visit!

makes me wonder how they came up with the charts for wind chill. human testing where many give their opinion as to how cold they THINK it is and then average out the results? maybe google has an answer!

jim

Interesting, I've wondered the same thing.

funny, just googled wind chill and the latest formula was developed by us and can. using human volunteers in a wind tunnel, although using sensors on their skin. interestingly, the first concept
for wind chill was develop by two scientists in the antartica in 1940.
google does seem to be a know-it-all. i wonder if it knows who won the election?

jim

Very interesting. That makes sense. With no wind there is a boundary layer of warm air around your skin. So they could measure actual skin temperature at a specific air temperature then see how much wind at a warmer air temperature would give that same skin temperature.

I had an interesting (to me) experience. On the North Slope of Alaska (Prudhoe Bay area), about -30F, and I had taken my parka off to drive (yes, it was in the truck). Drove up to the barge dock and saw the moon in the north, over the top of the world. Thought it would make a nice picture but had a guy with me in the passenger seat and it was on his side, so I got out with my camera and no gloves or parka, just flannel shirt and jeans and chukka boots. Walked to the front fender and took a picture over the hood. No wind (or I wouldn't have been there) and I could feel the warm air envelope moving with me, and if I moved quickly the icy air would break through it. Hands and knees were getting stiff as I got back in the warm truck.

Thanks for stopping by and checking out wind chill!

I stopped trying to explain to people that wind chill is only a perceived temperature, not an actual one, just like heat index. Some folks have a really hard time wrapping their heads around the idea that objects (specifically cars in the cold weather) aren't actually affected by wind chill.

Maybe someday I'll gain your level of wisdom and stop trying to explain it. Just drives me crazy when someone worries something will freeze at 34 degrees F just because it is windy.

 

[Vieux]

Merry Christmas! My best wishes!

 

[tinker rick]

Andy the brooms arrived and the wife says they are beautiful and that she is sure that those who will recieve them will think so too. Thank you and Merry Christmas.

 

[jbmatth]

I know where you are coming from on wind chill Andy, I've had that same discussion with people around me as well. My biggest beef with wind chill comes from running. I've gone for runs at 40°F with a wind chill of 30°F and was much colder than when I could run at 30°F and no wind. Maybe is was all perceived warmth and I really wasn't warmer, but I do know no beef was harmed in this experience.
JB
P.S. Talk about trying too hard to make a joke. sheesh

 

[oldironfarmer]

Merry Christmas! My best wishes!

Thank you and Merry Christmas, always glad to have the Vieux from Russia

Andy the brooms arrived and the wife says they are beautiful and that she is sure that those who will recieve them will think so too. Thank you and Merry Christmas.

Great! If the wife says it, then it must be true Merry Christmas!!

I know where you are coming from on wind chill Andy, I've had that same discussion with people around me as well. My biggest beef with wind chill comes from running. I've gone for runs at 40°F with a wind chill of 30°F and was much colder than when I could run at 30°F and no wind. Maybe is was all perceived warmth and I really wasn't warmer, but I do know no beef was harmed in this experience.
JB
P.S. Talk about trying too hard to make a joke. sheesh

Personally I think wind chill gets blown out of proportion. My biggest beef with wind chill is the bull. He's a Big Old Boy. However the bovine design temperature is much lower than homo sapiens'.

Your perception of comfort is in large part based on your core temperature. When you fall below 98F you can get cold, and my thermodynamics training and experience tells me that at 40F with enough wind your core could potentially fall below the comfort zone.

Thanks for the humor, it always make me feel better about myself.

 

[bolensboneyard]

Thank you and Merry Christmas, always glad to have the Vieux from Russia



Great! If the wife says it, then it must be true Merry Christmas!!



Personally I think wind chill gets blown out of proportion. My biggest beef with wind chill is the bull. He's a Big Old Boy. However the bovine design temperature is much lower than homo sapiens'.

Your perception of comfort is in large part based on your core temperature. When you fall below 98F you can get cold, and my thermodynamics training and experience tells me that at 40F with enough wind your core could potentially fall below the comfort zone.

Thanks for the humor, it always make me feel better about myself.

My common sense training tells me you hit the nail (not the bull) on the head when you said "wind chill is BLOWN out of proportion."

 

[realvc]

I will quit trying to be funny on purpose on the internet, for a while anyway. When ever I hear the weather man talk about the wind chill factor for some reason I think of wind shield factor. So far I'm the only one that thinks it is funny. I guess you have to hear what I hear.

Thanks to you and your thread I've proved to my wife that I really don't have too much stuff.

 

[drivesitfar]

ANDY: i'll keep showing up to see what you've done each day cause i'm shooting to accomplish half as much. i also like the fact that you answer all of my questions (or thoughts) in some fashion. i'm not sure how we went from Tornadoes to WIND CHILL, but very interesting conversation just the same.

How's the COKE machine working? got any cold beer or coke in it yet?

have a great SATER(day)

 

[Bob Heine]

Andy, when I lived in upstate New York, I always drove to work wearing a 3-piece suit and kept an overcoat in the back seat. When it was 20 or 30 below zero (F) I added a piece of cardboard in front of the radiator and I was fine as long as I didn't have to get out of the car for longer than it took to walk from the house to the car or the car to the office. Only problem I ran into was bare skin sticking to metal handles. Wearing more than 3 layers of clothing seemed like overkill unless I was spending hours out in the cold and wind.

 

[oldironfarmer]

My common sense training tells me you hit the nail (not the bull) on the head when you said "wind chill is BLOWN out of proportion."

Oh, I see, that could be taken two ways...

I will quit trying to be funny on purpose on the internet, for a while anyway. When ever I hear the weather man talk about the wind chill factor for some reason I think of wind shield factor. So far I'm the only one that thinks it is funny. I guess you have to hear what I hear.

Thanks to you and your thread I've proved to my wife that I really don't have too much stuff.

I have several things that I revise for commonly said phrases. One of mine is that popular animation about British Politics "Tory Story". When it sounds funny to me I usually repeat it. I have little self control. I think your malprop was great but I took you seriously and didn't want to embarrass you so I didn't respond with measured sarcasm. It's hilarious after you tell us it's ok to laugh

Ummm... you don't think I have too much stuff, do you? I'm a little sensitive to it.

One day a fellow drove in to my yard and asked whether I had any tractors for sale. I put my hand to my forehead and said "OH Sh!t, does it look like I bought too many?" He left.

ANDY: i'll keep showing up to see what you've done each day cause i'm shooting to accomplish half as much. i also like the fact that you answer all of my questions (or thoughts) in some fashion. i'm not sure how we went from Tornadoes to WIND CHILL, but very interesting conversation just the same.

How's the COKE machine working? got any cold beer or coke in it yet?

have a great SATER(day)

Thanks for the visit! Coke machine is working, and it has Coke in it, but it is not turned on. I need to make some aluminum or HDPE shims to make it dispense 8 oz cans reliably. And it needs a door gasket, and the door needs tweaking some. It's on my list. My mental list.

Andy, when I lived in upstate New York, I always drove to work wearing a 3-piece suit and kept an overcoat in the back seat. When it was 20 or 30 below zero (F) I added a piece of cardboard in front of the radiator and I was fine as long as I didn't have to get out of the car for longer than it took to walk from the house to the car or the car to the office. Only problem I ran into was bare skin sticking to metal handles. Wearing more than 3 layers of clothing seemed like overkill unless I was spending hours out in the cold and wind.

Bear skin sticking to metttle handles?

Most suits have such little leg protection with a little breeze.

When we had a -25 morning in Oklahoma a few years ago I drove to work without enough clothes if I had had to walk any significant distance. I felt unsafe. Foolish. Daring. Renegade. Macho. Tough. Manly. Dumb.

What do you consider "upstate"? I lived in Plattsburg. That is upstate in everybody's book. I don't remember seeing you there...

 

[oldironfarmer]

Got a gift in the mail today. Thanks Don Long! I immediately cleaned off a spot and mounted it on my old tire machine.

Fit perfectly, even with the coveted brake rotor base. Yes, I did clean a spot for it. Yes there was too much junk stacked on the tire machine for the tire spreader to fit on. I don't see anything else to be cleaned, why are you laughing?

Don graciously offered it and it is exactly what I need to patch the inside of tires. Thanks again Don. Don't expect to see it powder coated

Work in the shop has about crept to a stop. I hate that! Three doctors appointments this week and had to meet the concrete guy at the pole barn today. They are going to pour Friday, and that's a non appointment day so I will have had to leave the farm every day this week. Aaargh!

I did tell the concrete guy I have three prime heifers penned up if he'd like to consider a basic bovine barter (bbb). He's thinking

One thing I truly like about building is to conceive a space, then create it. I experienced fruition of that effort today when I opened the foundry room to move in my kilns. I'm sure this does not mean much to you guys, but it is just what I dreamed, planned, and achieved.

I forgot to take the right "before" picture. But here is the mess with the tire machine removed, and the small kiln removed. Big kiln is next.

Tire machine was between the welders.

Small kiln moved to it's new home, large kiln close, some assembly required. It is a three section kiln and I had converted it to two section because I didn't have enough power in the previous location. The section with the lid is the center section so the lid has to come back off and go on the top section.

The kilns can be used for solution annealing small stainless parts but you can't open them hot so they're not good for heat treating.

Been working on electrical in the Skelly Garage and it is going SLOW!

Just about ready to put lights in the paint booth.

 

[madoc1]

yes bob. where in upstate n.y.? we visit corning to see my s.o.'ers family and to see the nascar race at watkins glen. beautiful in the spring summer fall. no so much in winter.

jim

 

[slimpickins]

Andy,
Mother Theresa must have been thinking of you when she said:

"We the willing, led by the unknowing,
are doing the impossible for the ungrateful.
We have done so much, with so little, for so long,
we are now qualified to do anything with nothing."​

Glad to see you are keeping the faith!

Windchill is definitely a real thing. We've had some roller coaster weather this fall up here in Saskatchewan. First we had the early snow in September. Then it melted, and we had record setting high temps (+20C) through almost to the end of November and of course all the snow melted. Next we had a bout of -30C to -40C/F weather (-40C and -40F are same temp) for the first two weeks of December. Now we are back up at 0C and by Thursday we are supposed to have +2C to +5C. At -30C and below, believe me, windchill is VERY REAL!

Living here, I just bring my shorts and skidoo suit along every day so I'm prepared for anything!

Great work on the "Cleaning Up"! When are you going to start?

Cheers!
... and thanks for putting a smile on my face every time I read your posts!

 

[Lyndon]

Andy

The purpose of the post is to wish you and your extended tribe a very Merry Christmas, and a New Year full of shed cleaning (you know - on those spare Saturdays you get so often).

Keep up the great posts - I love 'em.

Lyndon
Going back into the thread worm hole. . . .

 

[dlcwent]

Living here, I just bring my shorts and skidoo suit along every day so I'm prepared for anything!


Great work on the "Cleaning Up"! When are you going to start? I've wondered the same.

Cheers!
... and thanks for putting a smile on my face every time I read your posts!

Hijacking Andy's thread for a minute. Slim I just wanted you to know that I get the same from you when I read your post.

And now......................Back to the Andy show.

 

[realvc]

I don't think you have too much stuff at all.
I think I don't have very much stuff. My wife thinks I have too much.
So far I've been able to get it all inside the shop and still have room to work. So there is no way that I have very much stuff.

 

[oldironfarmer]

yes bob. where in upstate n.y.? we visit corning to see my s.o.'ers family and to see the nascar race at watkins glen. beautiful in the spring summer fall. no so much in winter.

jim

Earth to Bob. Come in Bob. We're waiting. Patiently?

Andy,
Mother Theresa must have been thinking of you when she said:

"We the willing, led by the unknowing,
are doing the impossible for the ungrateful.
We have done so much, with so little, for so long,
we are now qualified to do anything with nothing."​

Glad to see you are keeping the faith!

Windchill is definitely a real thing. We've had some roller coaster weather this fall up here in Saskatchewan. First we had the early snow in September. Then it melted, and we had record setting high temps (+20C) through almost to the end of November and of course all the snow melted. Next we had a bout of -30C to -40C/F weather (-40C and -40F are same temp) for the first two weeks of December. Now we are back up at 0C and by Thursday we are supposed to have +2C to +5C. At -30C and below, believe me, windchill is VERY REAL!

Living here, I just bring my shorts and skidoo suit along every day so I'm prepared for anything!

Great work on the "Cleaning Up"! When are you going to start?

Cheers!
... and thanks for putting a smile on my face every time I read your posts!

Interesting quotation, also attributed to Konstantin Josef Jireček in 1881. I did not realize the full quote, thanks! Don't we all feel that way at times?

I've always said "when it's 40 below it's 40 below".

You've got some real weather swings there!

Cleaning up? Well I've already started! Did you see that tire spreader? And how about all that empty space where the new tire machine used to be

Thanks for stopping by, eh?

Andy

The purpose of the post is to wish you and your extended tribe a very Merry Christmas, and a New Year full of shed cleaning (you know - on those spare Saturdays you get so often).

Keep up the great posts - I love 'em.

Lyndon
Going back into the thread worm hole. . . .

The purpose of this response is to thank you for adding wit and humor to our lives. All of my seven close relatives with 343 relationship links thank you for your well wishes.

Hijacking Andy's thread for a minute. Slim I just wanted you to know that I get the same from you when I read your post.

And now......................Back to the Andy show.

What? I've been hijacked? Was I hurt? Is there a ransom? Would anybody pay it?

Did the Canadiens-eh do it?

Build a wall

I don't think you have too much stuff at all.
I think I don't have very much stuff. My wife thinks I have too much.
So far I've been able to get it all inside the shop and still have room to work. So there is no way that I have very much stuff.

If you can get your stuff into your shop and still have room to work you are a disadvantaged have-not. I feel for you and am loading a couple of tons of really nice rusty stuff and will head your way at daylight. This is a mercy mission! (No thanks necessary, I'm just trying to clean up my shop.)

 

[drivesitfar]

ANDY: like i said i LOVE visiting your thread daily and looking for new projects, humor and other member's comments so yes it's the ANDY SHOW. that said i think one of the reasons i had to get a new laptop was because of all the ice tea i spit out on it from the SLIM & ANDY SHOW that would show here and on his and a few others threads.

looking forward to a great year and if i hadn't said so already i'll say it again have a HAPPY HOLIDAY SEASON and here's to a great 2017 while you are cleaning up.

is the lift going to get opened on Christmas??

cheers and thanks again for the laughs and of course the HEAD SHAKES while i google and try to figure out what was said.

 

[Bob Heine]

What do you consider "upstate"? I lived in Plattsburg. That is upstate in everybody's book. I don't remember seeing you there...

yes bob. where in upstate n.y.? we visit corning to see my s.o.'ers family and to see the nascar race at watkins glen. beautiful in the spring summer fall. no so much in winter.

jim

Earth to Bob. Come in Bob. We're waiting. Patiently?

Andy and Jim, we spent 9 years in Wappingers Falls, New York (south of Poughkeepsie). Like Philadelphia, it was closed.

I grew up on Long Island and everything north of the Bronx was called "upstate." I spent summers in the early '50s in Rutland and Fairhaven, Vermont, which was upstate New York to the kids I grew up with on Long Island. I was accepted at St. Lawrence University and to be interviewed, flew into the Massena International Airport before hitchhiking south to the school. I consider my time in Massena to qualify as the "upstatiest" part of New York state.

Andy, like you I have been filling my days with doctor visits and most recently, shopping expeditions. All appointments and expeditions are for mid-day with the morning consumed by preparations to go out (feeding and walking one dog, applying makeup and combing hair -- it's not easy to look this old). My uncanny ability to find the slowest checkout line fills the afternoon. My remaining free time is spent discussing options for the evening meal -- to cook or not to cook, that is the question.

 

[madoc1]

well christmas came early today. my mail lady came riding in on a blue broom! thx a lot andy and a job well done. may just save it and mount it on the wall.

 

[1/2 Cup]

Andy,

"We the willing, led by the unknowing,
are doing the impossible for the ungrateful.
We have done so much, with so little, for so long,
we are now qualified to do anything with nothing."
​

So true..

All the best for you and your familly for Christmas enjoy..

Looking forward to following your exploits in 2017..

Regards

 

[oldironfarmer]

ANDY: like i said i LOVE visiting your thread daily and looking for new projects, humor and other member's comments so yes it's the ANDY SHOW. that said i think one of the reasons i had to get a new laptop was because of all the ice tea i spit out on it from the SLIM & ANDY SHOW that would show here and on his and a few others threads.

Now I'm embarrassed. When these thoughts pop into my head I just have to spit them out quickly or they'll pollute my mind. Glad somebody gets some humor from them. Many years ago we were in church choir rehearsal. My sweet wife was the pianist and I was trying to make everyone laugh without disrupting the director's efforts, so it has to be a little low key. Everyone was having a good time, I thought, until a lady in front of me asked my wife "is he always like this?". She was not having a good time so I had to withdraw into my shell

looking forward to a great year and if i hadn't said so already i'll say it again have a HAPPY HOLIDAY SEASON and here's to a great 2017 while you are cleaning up.

Best get to cleaning soon so I can get back to projects! I don't want to fix up my shop, I want to get back to using it.

is the lift going to get opened on Christmas??

Yes, sir, I am struggling toward a Christmas Eve opening. I have three cars needing oil changes and if I can get the lift together I'll use it, otherwise its back to the old Rotary.

cheers and thanks again for the laughs and of course the HEAD SHAKES while i google and try to figure out what was said.

Thanks for the visit! Saw a recap of 2016 news and it reminded me of 1968. Next year must be better, but then I'm a farmer and a farmer relies on things somehow getting better.

Andy and Jim, we spent 9 years in Wappingers Falls, New York (south of Poughkeepsie). Like Philadelphia, it was closed.

I grew up on Long Island and everything north of the Bronx was called "upstate." I spent summers in the early '50s in Rutland and Fairhaven, Vermont, which was upstate New York to the kids I grew up with on Long Island. I was accepted at St. Lawrence University and to be interviewed, flew into the Massena International Airport before hitchhiking south to the school. I consider my time in Massena to qualify as the "upstatiest" part of New York state.

Never heard of Massena. Wow! It's north of Plattsburgh. That should be considered "upstate". I remember swimming in Lake Champlain with my brother with ice still floating in the lake. It was chilly but we really wanted to swim.

Andy, like you I have been filling my days with doctor visits and most recently, shopping expeditions. All appointments and expeditions are for mid-day with the morning consumed by preparations to go out (feeding and walking one dog, applying makeup and combing hair -- it's not easy to look this old). My uncanny ability to find the slowest checkout line fills the afternoon. My remaining free time is spent discussing options for the evening meal -- to cook or not to cook, that is the question.

One trip to town just kills the day. However my wife has given up on me and I wear my work clothes to town (I put on clean clothes to go to doctor's offices, my mom would just die if I didn't. Ok she did, but you know what I mean). I've got to go cook now. My wife eats whatever I fix without complaining so that inspires me to fix something decent every now and again.

well christmas came early today. my mail lady came riding in on a blue broom! thx a lot andy and a job well done. may just save it and mount it on the wall.

Thank you! Glad you got it. They are made to be used. Just hang it by the bail, it will last a long time and look better with a little wear.

Andy,

"We the willing, led by the unknowing,
are doing the impossible for the ungrateful.
We have done so much, with so little, for so long,
we are now qualified to do anything with nothing."
​

So true..

All the best for you and your familly for Christmas enjoy..

Looking forward to following your exploits in 2017..

Regards

And a hearty 1/2 Thank You and Merry Christmas to you too! Little side note, when working at Cumberland Steam Plant in Cumberland City Tennessee (two 1,300 megawatt units IIRC) I was directed to go see Merry Christmas. Her office was all decked out with Christmas decorations (nowhere near Christmas). Merry Christmas was her married name. Given name Merry. Cool lady.

So I actually know Merry Christmas!!!

 

[oldironfarmer]

Even though we had a doctor's visit, and went to the county seat to pay property taxes, made a little progress today.

Wow! Just look at all the clean space where the tire machine and kilns were.

Early this morning I got on the large kiln. It needed the lid section unscrewed from the middle section and screwed to the top section, now that it will have enough amperage to heat all three sections.

So everybody are in their new places!

Then got the work bench area and desk area lights and outlets finished up.

That leaves just the paint booth switches and lights to wire up.:rocker

Got those switches wired up

And the raceway started. Got to order more wire clips.

Much as I hate setting goals, my plan is to unbox the lift, finally, on Saturday. Let's see, it arrived on October 5. It's been hard to focus on the shop rather than open a new lift for about 80 days. Real hard. I think we'll start on the lift Saturday whether the paint booth lights are done or not.

 

[NedNorton]

Andy,
Just finished catching up. Man, is there any tool you don't have? The new space is coming together, quickly! Great work.

I must say that I had a twinge of jealousy when you posted your Quincy all hooked up. Plug and play! A far cry from how most tools seem to come my shop.

More importantly... I hope you and the family have a safe and wonderful holiday.

Cheers,
Chris

 

[dlcwent]

Anxiously awaiting the exploits of Andy's lift project.

 

[oldironfarmer]

Andy,
Just finished catching up. Man, is there any tool you don't have?

Any tool I don't have? What is it? I'll get two. In all honesty I try to just keep the bare minimum to get by, that's what I tell my wife. I'm such a poor craftsman I need lots of tools to just get by.

Famous quote from my father: "Be wary of the "craftsman" always complaining about the quality of his tools. Trust the craftsman who does fine work with worn out and marginal tools".

I've got mostly cheap tools because that is what I could afford, and my dad taught me to not complain about them. To that end I delight in making my tools when I can, even though they are not commercial quality they work for me.

The new space is coming together, quickly! Great work.

Thank you!

I must say that I had a twinge of jealousy when you posted your Quincy all hooked up. Plug and play! A far cry from how most tools seem to come my shop.

You personally have about ruined me. As I was hooking up the compressor this time (I've had it about a year) I was thinking "no volt meter, no ammeter, no hour meter, I'm flying blind without a pilot's license much less an instrument rating".

Note to self: Don't go ten years without plumbing the drain outside.

I really admire how you (and others here) seem to find the time to really clean up old tools before putting them into service. I'm too lazy and in too much of a hurry. Case in point: small kiln sits on fire brick, I've never made a stand for it, wouldn't this have been a prime time? Large kiln has ACTIVE RUST on its sheet metal legs and I didn't even take the time to shoot some paint over the rust. I think the new environment will slow the oxidation process significantly. I'm pretending it's COR-TEN

More importantly... I hope you and the family have a safe and wonderful holiday.

Cheers,
Chris

Thank you so much for your visit and well wishes. We trust Jen is on the mend and Chris has gained a deeper appreciation of the truly good things in life.

Merry Christmas!

Anxiously awaiting the exploits of Andy's lift project.

Now I'm getting worried. How long should it take one guy to set one up? Even better, what is the GJ average for setting up a lift (after starting)?

I never in my wildest dreams thought it would be 80 days to get started. Heck, isn't that enough time to go around the world?

I'm so lazy it just stinks. Maybe I can't get it set up and will have to call in experts. It says right on the box "some assembly required". What does that really mean? Do I have a screw loose?

Now confusion is setting in. Wasn't he a Chinese wise guy who once said "you can get rich making cheap tools for Americans"?

 

[oldironfarmer]

I spent too much time posting the previously posted post. Got the dreaded "you don't have permission" or "you are not logged in" which used to cause me panic.

I would like to know how others recover.

My process is this, hit the back button to see my draft, highlight and copy draft, go immediately above and click on the thread name. Log in, hit "Post Reply", paste my reply (highlighting before pasting if I was quoting) and then preview.

Is there an easier way? I've not lost any text doing it this way but it takes several steps.

One other question, am I getting timed out or voted out?

 

[HCNDM]

OIF,

Just wanted to say thank you for sharing your projects and bovine friends with us.

To you and yours a merry Christmas and a happy 2017 filled with more old iron!

Niels


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[jbmatth]

Andy,
I must say that I had a twinge of jealousy when you posted your Quincy all hooked up. Plug and play! A far cry from how most tools seem to come my shop.

Cheers,
Chris

I know exactly what you mean, some machines come in and can be used, but just aren't "right". I'll get around to fixing what isn't broken later, or go hog wild and do less than 1/2 of the work that you and others do. LOL

I spent too much time posting the previously posted post. Got the dreaded "you don't have permission" or "you are not logged in" which used to cause me panic.

I would like to know how others recover.

My process is this, hit the back button to see my draft, highlight and copy draft, go immediately above and click on the thread name. Log in, hit "Post Reply", paste my reply (highlighting before pasting if I was quoting) and then preview.

Is there an easier way? I've not lost any text doing it this way but it takes several steps.

One other question, am I getting timed out or voted out?

I've never been successful with the back button, for some reason I go back and the page typing window (pane or is it pain) is empty, which certainly does cause me pain. If I know it has been a while I'll highlight it and copy before I try to post. On the other hand there is a box next to the login that says something like keep me signed in, I leave that checked at all times. On the other hand is a real nice branded glove I can't even give away because it is a medium, that makes typing harder. (The glove is an inside joke with Andy, sorry everyone else if you don't get it.)

JB