New Lithium Ion jump pack at Harbor Freight.

[kctyphoon]

I don't have it, not interested in another "let's bash HF thread" either

Passing this along for anyone interested

Edit - this pack uses a new type of lithium ion tech, thats actually a Lithium Iron Phosphate. Suppose to be safer and better performing than standard lithium batteries, as explained here

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lithium_iron_phosphate_battery

http://t.harborfreight.com/Lithium-...iNjkuOTkiLCJwcm9kdWN0X2lk IjoiMTE4MTQifQ==

Some other new HF items -
http://t.harborfreight.com/see_new_products.html?utm_source=011017

 

[Goleee33]

They are certainly going after the competition by directly calling them out. The comparisons are pretty funny sometimes.

 

[kctyphoon]

They are certainly going after the competition by directly calling them out. The comparisons are pretty funny sometimes.

But have been proven to be very accurate on some things too..

 

[6PTsocket]

They are certainly going after the competition by directly calling them out. The comparisons are pretty funny sometimes.

I think it is more to dazzle HF customers than to get SnaoOn fans to buy the Daytona jack or Honda users to buy the HF generator. The Snap On guys wouldn't be caught dead with an HF tool, no mater what the tests and specs show. A tear down of the Daytona did not impress our resident jack expert.

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[kctyphoon]

I think it is more to dazzle HF customers than to get SnaoOn fans to buy the Daytona jack or Honda users to buy the HF generator. The Snap On guys wouldn't be caught dead with an HF tool, no mater what the tests and specs show. A tear down of the Daytona did not impress our resident jack expert.

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This guy again....?

 

[Goleee33]

But have been proven to be very accurate on some things too..

Certainly! I generally would choose what gets the job done. I mean for $500 + warranty I would get that generator without a doubt. They don't lie about any of their claims from what I've seen. But I'm sure they withhold information as do most comparisons.

 

[kctyphoon]

This is just a thread to let some people that shop there see what's listed as new..

 

[zendriver]

I was wondering when HF was going to finally start selling lights with SMD LEDs.

Guess the time is now.

In a perpetually underemployed US consumer market, HF is the future of tool buying, whether one cares to admit it or not.

I'm getting one for $8 (using coupon).

http://www.harborfreight.com/rotati...62955.html?in_name=newproducts&in_date=011017

The Snap On is probably 3x better, since it's 3x the price.

 

[Revelations]

They are certainly going after the competition by directly calling them out. The comparisons are pretty funny sometimes.

Nothing wrong with calling out the competition, as long as independent testers vetify thier claims. Most of that stuff in HF is junk. However thier Earthquake XT guns, impact sockets, and Tool Boxes troll the competition.

Sent from a Galaxy far far away.

 

[454ragtop]

I was interested in the jump pack till I saw the 90 day warranty. Already had 1 lithium jump pack fail on me after a very short time (different brand).

 

[6PTsocket]

I was wondering when HF was going to finally start selling lights with SMD LEDs.

Guess the time is now.

In a perpetually underemployed US consumer market, HF is the future of tool buying, whether one cares to admit it or not.

I'm getting one for $8 (using coupon).

http://www.harborfreight.com/rotati...62955.html?in_name=newproducts&in_date=011017

The Snap On is probably 3x better, since it's 3x the price.

Snap On should double their price so it could be six times better. It is a cheap piece of Chinese **** that probably has a landed price of 12 cents. Snap On just rips you off more. This is not one of their ratchets or sockets . Snap On has slapped their name on cheap stuff sold in Costco. Snap On used to use Bluepoint for the cheap stuff but has found out people will buy anything marked Snap On.

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[Skin]

Says Lithium Ion in the name then says its a LFP in the description?

 

[drsung]

I purchased the new jump pack a couple of weeks ago and it has worked well. I have only used it to jump an old Honda 3 wheeler and a 70's era gravely walk behind tractor. I will point out that this jump pack WILL start a vehicle without having a battery hooked up. I know that is a big limitation on some of the packs but not with this one.

 

[kctyphoon]

I was interested in the jump pack till I saw the 90 day warranty. Already had 1 lithium jump pack fail on me after a very short time (different brand).

It use a Lithium IRON Phosphate battery.. suppose to be a safer and more stable battery chemistry... who knows..

Maybe you can purchase an extended warranty from them for a few $$ I believe. The price on this pack is not far off some other name brands.. if it were $29 I'd be skeptical, but you can find cheaper ones in hd at times, maybe even Costco. At least this appears it will be a regularly stocked item, and its Lithium so a better investment than the old models.

Also it's listed at 12,000mah which is a decent size I think.

Reviews on the site seem pretty good, here's a video of it for a general idea. Looks like a decent buy to me.

 

[guy48065]

I think it is more to dazzle HF customers than to get SnaoOn fans to buy the Daytona jack or Honda users to buy the HF generator. The Snap On guys wouldn't be caught dead with an HF tool, no mater what the tests and specs show. A tear down of the Daytona did not impress our resident jack expert.

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Especially in comparison to the Snap On. Oh wait--that didn't happen. Well I'm sure the SO is totally better.

 

[Coloshaver]

Also it's listed at 12,000mah which is a decent size I think.

FWIW - 12,000 Milliamp hours = 12 Amp hours

 

[trackwelder]

Especially in comparison to the Snap On. Oh wait--that didn't happen. Well I'm sure the SO is totally better.

The Snap On is better but the haters still hate. Bottom line is the Daytona is a typical Harbor Frieight item. The low price is directly connected to all the corners that they cut.

 

[theoldwizard1]

I am surprised and pleased that HF went with lithium iron phosphate battery. They have lower energy density but according to Wikipedia

One important advantage over other lithium-ion chemistries is thermal and chemical stability, which improves battery safety. LiFePO4 is an intrinsically safer cathode material than LiCoO2 and manganese spinel. The Fe-P-O bond is stronger than the Co-O bond, so that when abused, (short-circuited, overheated, etc.) the oxygen atoms are much harder to remove

Less chance of those pesky fires !

 

[kctyphoon]

Wish the 20% coupon worked on these.. it's really starting to appear that HF has an interest in retailing better quality items these days. Their success and expansion looks like it's been a good return on investment for them..

 

[Empty Pockets]

A year ago, I would have been a HF basher. While they still sell quite a bit of junk, it appears to me that they are trying hard to upgrade the quality of their wares. Their Pittsburgh Pro ratchets are quite an improvement over those sold in years past

While I'm not in the market for a jump box, at this time, I could see myself checking out these jump boxes at some future date, if the need arises. HF might be gaining some respectability in the future. Time will tell

 

[kctyphoon]

A year ago, I would have been a HF basher. While they still sell quite a bit of junk, it appears to me that they are trying hard to upgrade the quality of their wares. Their Pittsburgh Pro ratchets are quite an improvement over those sold in years past

While I'm not in the market for a jump box, at this time, I could see myself checking out these jump boxes at some future date, if the need arises. HF might be gaining some respectability in the future. Time will tell

I hand out the composite 1/4" ratchets to guys at work. If I get stuck working on someone else's truck, I'm amazed at the junk they deal with every day, and how they have the patience to deal with it. It's so bad that I'm willing to goto the store and buy it so that "I" don't have to deal with their ****** tools the next time I get stuck working with them. I buy the ratchets, and colored set of 1/4" drive deep sockets. People are amazed at how good they are. Those ratchets are almost bombproof, and don't get so cold in this weather either. I've been using the same 3 or 4 ratchets myself for a few years now..

The drill press table, and maybe that new light are on my HF shopping list when I get around to it.

 

[dogdog]

I think it is more to dazzle HF customers than to get SnaoOn fans to buy the Daytona jack or Honda users to buy the HF generator. The Snap On guys wouldn't be caught dead with an HF tool, no mater what the tests and specs show. A tear down of the Daytona did not impress our resident jack expert.

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Is there a video of this? I would love to see what criteria they used for comparison. Impress is a very subjective thing.... and are subject to bias.

 

[kctyphoon]

Is there a video of this? I would love to see what criteria they used for comparison. Impress is a very subjective thing.... and are subject to bias.

I'm willing to bet the jack was disassembled, and found to have contained cheaper construction compared to a $1,000 jack.. another ground breaking study....

 

[Skin]

Is there a video of this? I would love to see what criteria they used for comparison. Impress is a very subjective thing.... and are subject to bias.

He's referring to Hiball. As far as I know there was no comparison to the Snap-On jack, he only took apart a Daytona. Diagram wise they sure look practically the same and while i'd like to think companies go out of their way to justify their premium pricing I also wouldn't put it passed Snap-On to cheap out and simply cash in on their name. Its not like they don't already do just that on hundreds of products they straight up rebrand.

 

[Corndoggeh]

I was wondering when HF was going to finally start selling lights with SMD LEDs.

Guess the time is now.

In a perpetually underemployed US consumer market, HF is the future of tool buying, whether one cares to admit it or not.

I'm getting one for $8 (using coupon).

http://www.harborfreight.com/rotati...62955.html?in_name=newproducts&in_date=011017

The Snap On is probably 3x better, since it's 3x the price.

I have 2. The are ptriceless in how useful they are to me.

 

[jerseykat1]

I think it is more to dazzle HF customers than to get SnaoOn fans to buy the Daytona jack or Honda users to buy the HF generator. The Snap On guys wouldn't be caught dead with an HF tool, no mater what the tests and specs show. A tear down of the Daytona did not impress our resident jack expert.

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"snap on guys" ??? i have some snap on tools. i also have some harbor freight tools, im a professional technician and one of the top techs at my shop. I would buy this if it works as advertised. It's a PITA having to go get the jump box from parts then carry it out to the LOT (my Garage is HUGE 22 Bays) its a long walk. I don't understand the whole brand loyalty thing that some people seem to have.

I love my HF Pittsburgh pro impact sockets they are holding up to daily abuse just fine. I

have the NOCO GB70 and it's not let me down yet for my side business. But i would not mind having one of these HF units to keep in my Box at work.

 

[dogdog]

He's referring to Hiball. As far as I know there was no comparison to the Snap-On jack, he only took apart a Daytona. Diagram wise they sure look practically the same and while i'd like to think companies go out of their way to justify their premium pricing I also wouldn't put it passed Snap-On to cheap out and simply cash in on their name. Its not like they don't already do just that on hundreds of products they straight up rebrand.

O ! I see... Now I remember that thread I think.... I though he was referring to some one at his company reviewing it. If two jacks are exactly / similar build, one sells for $1000 the other for $300 something have to give. Dependents on your quality tolerance level..... or the price you paid for branding with a promise of quality.......

So I was just wondering what criteria was used to gauge quality of a jack..... I know the other guy did test on impacts was good info and the aircat vs IR videos....

One thing I learn from the channel lock warranty experience, Lifetime guarantee ain't mean sh#t if I have ship the whole wrench back when I just asked for a small selector piece that broke. The cost of shipping is the price of the wrench....so name brand warranty don't mean jack most of the time to me.

 

[gungatim]

back on topic---it looks like the new jump pack has the same crappy clamp ends as the other cheapo's. it may be a quality jump pack, but I just scrapped 2 of the other ones and was going to use the clamps on a pair of old jumper cables. when I took them apart I found how crappy they are, little square of copper very thin and only one end is crimpable. The handle is all plastic with no metal support in it (and easy to break when cold).

so just tossing it out there, if you buy one you may want to also pickup a nicer pair of clamps for it. to get the screws out, you have to pry off the +/- caps with a pic (or drive a drywall screw into it which works faster).

 

[6PTsocket]

O ! I see... Now I remember that thread I think.... I though he was referring to some one at his company reviewing it. If two jacks are exactly / similar build, one sells for $1000 the other for $300 something have to give. Dependents on your quality tolerance level..... or the price you paid for branding with a promise of quality.......

So I was just wondering what criteria was used to gauge quality of a jack..... I know the other guy did test on impacts was good info and the aircat vs IR videos....

One thing I learn from the channel lock warranty experience, Lifetime guarantee ain't mean sh#t if I have ship the whole wrench back when I just asked for a small selector piece that broke. The cost of shipping is the price of the wrench....so name brand warranty don't mean jack most of the time to me.

As I recall he had a problem with the type of seal used for the ram and some magnets that were used to collect metal filings There were photos of the Daytona internals and he pointed out what he did not like. It would be interesting to look inside the SnapOn. Speaking of similar drawings, my old Earthquake had an almost identical drawing to the IR Thunder Gun. There was a difference in the trigger and that was it.

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[nes999]

If it wasnt 70 bucks I would buy one just to compare with my microstart. I would love a second jump pack.

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[kctyphoon]

back on topic---it looks like the new jump pack has the same crappy clamp ends as the other cheapo's. it may be a quality jump pack, but I just scrapped 2 of the other ones and was going to use the clamps on a pair of old jumper cables. when I took them apart I found how crappy they are, little square of copper very thin and only one end is crimpable. The handle is all plastic with no metal support in it (and easy to break when cold).

so just tossing it out there, if you buy one you may want to also pickup a nicer pair of clamps for it. to get the screws out, you have to pry off the +/- caps with a pic (or drive a drywall screw into it which works faster).

I bought a smaller (both in size and output) antigravity pack for my motorcycle and the clamps didn't seem like anything special. I'll have to look at the hf to compare just cause I'm curious now.. I DO wish however, that the clamps that came with my pack were alot smaller.. the clamps take up more room than the jump pack, defeats the purpose of buying an ultra small model when I'm not saving any real space keeping the whole kit in its case..

 

[gungatim]

may want to get a set of the small battery charger clamps, you can get them at autozone, they are only like 2". I had to buy some for a charger that got driven over...and yes I soldered the wires

 

[bcradio]

"snap on guys" ??? i have some snap on tools. i also have some harbor freight tools, im a professional technician and one of the top techs at my shop. I would buy this if it works as advertised. It's a PITA having to go get the jump box from parts then carry it out to the LOT (my Garage is HUGE 22 Bays) its a long walk. I don't understand the whole brand loyalty thing that some people seem to have.

I love my HF Pittsburgh pro impact sockets they are holding up to daily abuse just fine. I

have the NOCO GB70 and it's not let me down yet for my side business. But i would not mind having one of these HF units to keep in my Box at work.

This is what I don't get as well.

 

[SilverBulletZ06]

Quick question: could you leave this in the trunk of the car and not worry about temperature swings causing a problem. My wife constantly "accidently" hits her interior light and drains her battery. Not having to drive over and give her a jump would be swell.

 

[kctyphoon]

Quick question: could you leave this in the trunk of the car and not worry about temperature swings causing a problem. My wife constantly "accidently" hits her interior light and drains her battery. Not having to drive over and give her a jump would be swell.

It should be fine, and no different than leaving power tools batteries in a vehicle. I leave my lithium Milwaukee and Dewalt batteries on utility trucks all year and I've never had an issue when I needed to use any. My antigravity pack is in the back of my GSXR under a motorcycle tent too..

 

[Rewind97]

Just for comparison I just ordered this one from Amazon

https://www.amazon.com/dp/B01DGJHV8K/?tag=atomicindus08-20

It is rated at 600A and 14,000mAh where the HF model is rated at 450A and 12,000mAh and it's $20 less.

 

[theoldwizard1]

So I was just wondering what criteria was used to gauge quality of a jack...

Hiball gave me an education once, but I have forgotten about 90% !

Simply put, high pressure hydraulic cylinder can use sever different styles of seal. Some will out last other. Of course you can not see this as it is inside of the jack cylinder.

 

[theoldwizard1]

Quick question: could you leave this in the trunk of the car and not worry about temperature swings causing a problem. My wife constantly "accidently" hits her interior light and drains her battery. Not having to drive over and give her a jump would be swell.

I would say YES ! There is no min/max storage temp but the lithium iron chemistry is more durable than other types of lithium batteries.

There is some contradictions in the owners manual versus what is written on the box. Suffice it to say, that it should be recharged after every use.

 

[dogdog]

Just for comparison I just ordered this one from Amazon

https://www.amazon.com/dp/B01DGJHV8K/?tag=atomicindus08-20

It is rated at 600A and 14,000mAh where the HF model is rated at 450A and 12,000mAh and it's $20 less.

It does have CE certification wonder why no one have UL certifications..... for these things. But it does have Chinese translated English all over it.... Not that I writes any better.

[PROTECTION]: An safe and mistake-proof design with spark-proof technology and reverse polarity protection, which allow it to safely connect to any battery.The high quality Circuit boards, chip CPU and cables has over current protection, short circuit protection, overload protection.The high quality lithium battery which allow it to Provide stable strong Peak and current voltage, but not explode !

 

[dogdog]

Hiball gave me an education once, but I have forgotten about 90% !

Simply put, high pressure hydraulic cylinder can use sever different styles of seal. Some will out last other. Of course you can not see this as it is inside of the jack cylinder.

this is what I don't see these seals makes a HF jack $700 differences from the Snap-on ones ? But interesting, I should go hunt down that thread and do some reading.