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I have a traditional water softening system (salt) installed in our home. I was wondering do any GJs have experience with the magnetic, electronic softenrs; i.e. Hard Water Genie or Calmat Electronic Anti-scale H2O Treatment?
Do these work as effectively, if they do it would be nice not buying all that salt??
 
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My take is magnetic devices for softening is a waste of your hard earned money. The company I work tried half a dozen of these in various stores water feeds (2 or 2-1/2" services) scale was no t reduced. These magnetic companies seem to get the testimonials from folks but our trial ended up being failure and loss of thousands.
 

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I think they're pretty similar to strapping a couple magnets on the fuel line of your car to get better performance. :)
 

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Bogus. Completely bogus. Everyone knows that magnets are only good for increasing your fuel mileage by 55%...

Tommy
 

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Not all that good for soft water, but they're amazingly good when you tape two of them to your Franzinator. One just below the inlet, and one at the top. But, be forwarned, you'll have to put a sump pump under the drain to get rid of all the water. I used them for awhile on my pickup to save on gas, but I got tired of the gas tank overflowing; thought it would cause the truck to catch on fire and it was too much trouble to siphon the gas off to use in the other cars.
 
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Thanks for all the replies. Sarcasm is always welcome and I am a big user of it.
I was interested in reducing the amount of iron coming from my well to my storage tank which is what prompted the search for a magnetic filter. I had an idea of somehow filtering the water prior to it entering the storage tank, being that iron is magnetic...
 

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Okay, on a serious note. If you need to remove iron, have your local water softener company make you up a manganese greensand filter in a standard water softener casing. It rejuvenates with potassium permangamate. Might have to follow it up with a cartridge filter to catch precipitated iron particles. This will do wonders for iron in your water.
 

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My mother told be stories of magic magnetic mattress pads being sold in the 1950s.... These scams are reborn as new junk science stories are re-made to capture the ignorant public. 1980s, 2000s... Same scam different biological action 'story'

How about copper threads being incorporated into knee and elbow supports?
 

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Okay, on a serious note. If you need to remove iron, have your local water softener company make you up a manganese greensand filter in a standard water softener casing. It rejuvenates with potassium permangamate. Might have to follow it up with a cartridge filter to catch precipitated iron particles. This will do wonders for iron in your water.

This is what I use. It works great, just don't forget the KMnO4 otherwise the shower and toilets start looking rusty....
 

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Okay, on a serious note. If you need to remove iron, have your local water softener company make you up a manganese greensand filter in a standard water softener casing. It rejuvenates with potassium permangamate. Might have to follow it up with a cartridge filter to catch precipitated iron particles. This will do wonders for iron in your water.

I have one as well. Tons of iron in my well water. It sits next to the softener and arsenic filter.. Fun stuff
 

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I was looking into getting the Calmat from HD and I wasn't hesitant about the technology, but I was hesitant about the installation on a home that never had a water softener bc of accessibility to the tap-line (main line taps into city main water line).

Explaining how water softener works is very difficult and explaining how these alternative water softener works is just as difficult. The traditional water softener technology doesn't need to be explained for people to accept, it's widely used and proven in both commercial or residential settings. Only time will explain if these water softener "works" or not. If you want to know if it will work effectively or not, you just gotta have faith and dive in.
 
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Thanks for all the replies. Sarcasm is always welcome and I am a big user of it.
I was interested in reducing the amount of iron coming from my well to my storage tank which is what prompted the search for a magnetic filter. I had an idea of somehow filtering the water prior to it entering the storage tank, being that iron is magnetic...

Not in a salt form. if you had bits of metal floating about like in a gearbox the magnet would work.
 

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I started wearing magnetic underwear and taking iron pills.... I'm a firm believer in magnetic therapy!!
 

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Okay, on a serious note. If you need to remove iron, have your local water softener company make you up a manganese greensand filter in a standard water softener casing. It rejuvenates with potassium permangamate. Might have to follow it up with a cartridge filter to catch precipitated iron particles. This will do wonders for iron in your water.

This is probably the best choice. It's basically a miniature version of the filters used in large municipal water treatment plants.
 

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How about copper threads being incorporated into knee and elbow supports?

Have you noticed those commercials have changed? They no longer claim health benfits from the copper, only odor control. Gee ... I wonder which Gummermint agency whispered in their ear?
 

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This magnetic softener scam has been around for years. Keeps showing up every so often. Like other such scams, there are always enough people who fall for it and buy in. I remember seeing something about it back in the sixties.

To be fair, perhaps it will start working one day and the laws of physics and chemistry will be forever altered.

A good friend of mine, about twenty years ago, showed up at my house for a visit carrying a bunch of paperwork "proving" that magnetic bands worn around one's wrist or knee would improve injuries and even arthritis. There was a whole lot of reasoning, but the main sell was that the magnetism would increase blood flow in these areas and encourage healing. This guy was wearing a couple of the wrist bands. Thing is, he is a petroleum engineer. These days, he gets pretty p-o'ed at me if I remind him of all this. He's embarrassed as hell.
 
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I remember having a discussion on an invention that was highly improbable given well known science. I actually got out a thermodynamics resource, and went through the calculations on the device, with the individual.

His response? "You've fallen into the trap of buying into the fallacy of newtonian physics!"


To be fair, though, there is a very small amount of science that supports descaling of calcium hardness in water by using very strong magnetic fields. Permanent magnets attached to the pipe won't do it. To really make it work, the magnetic field has to be incredibly strong. You can use variable magnetic fields induced by an electronic device to mimic the effect, with some success. The electrical coil devices sold by such as Home depot do this. They can have some positive effect. The joker to it all is that the effect is very small, and that it entirely depends on what is causing your hardness, the other characteristics of the water, and what your piping is. Hardness in many waters varies over time, and how much your pipes and faucets and such scale depends on your usage patterns. So, often the testimonials come from someone that may have had ideal water, or from someone that experienced a reduction due to seasonal variability of water quality, or a change in use or other variable.

The hardness molecules in water are divalent, and can be influenced by a strong magnetic field. My understanding of the result is that the molecules are essentially "aligned", and for a period of time, may clump together, and become less likely to "stick" to other substances. The problem is again that word "strong". It takes a lot of power to do this, through a pipe, with water flowing by. Most successful applications of this technology have been using very strong magnetic fields, or very small flows. When you try to extrapolate those results to home use, they don't produce real world effects at that home use scale.

The successful applications I have seen documented have been for industrial processes where replacing the pipes or cleaning them in place was difficult or cost prohibitive because of the resulting process shutdown. The cleaning was done by a company that brought in specialized equipment, and operated it on piping during the normal process operations for a finite amount of time to remove the existing scale. Most of the time, continuous operation of the devices wasn't the intent, just descaling of the pipes to restore them to original function. As someone stated at the beginning of the thread, sometimes it doesn't work, and you're out very expensive costs. But, sometimes it does.

I think in the homeowner realm, it very seldom will work. And, it definitely will not work on iron, only on calcium hardness.
 
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I remember having a discussion on an invention that was highly improbable given well known science. I actually got out a thermodynamics resource, and went through the calculations on the device, with the individual.

His response? "You've fallen into the trap of buying into the fallacy of newtonian physics!"


To be fair, though, there is a very small amount of science that supports descaling of calcium hardness in water by using very strong magnetic fields. Permanent magnets attached to the pipe won't do it. To really make it work, the magnetic field has to be incredibly strong. You can use variable magnetic fields induced by an electronic device to mimic the effect, with some success. The electrical coil devices sold by such as Home depot do this. They can have some positive effect. The joker to it all is that the effect is very small, and that it entirely depends on what is causing your hardness, the other characteristics of the water, and what your piping is. Hardness in many waters varies over time, and how much your pipes and faucets and such scale depends on your usage patterns. So, often the testimonials come from someone that may have had ideal water, or from someone that experienced a reduction due to seasonal variability of water quality, or a change in use or other variable.

The hardness molecules in water are divalent, and can be influenced by a strong magnetic field. My understanding of the result is that the molecules are essentially "aligned", and for a period of time, may clump together, and become less likely to "stick" to other substances. The problem is again that word "strong". It takes a lot of power to do this, through a pipe, with water flowing by. Most successful applications of this technology have been using very strong magnetic fields, or very small flows. When you try to extrapolate those results to home use, they don't produce real world effects at that home use scale.

Are you are saying that if water has certain contaminants, such as nails, that a strong magnetic field may offer some help? I can't disagree with that. :spit:
 

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Water hardness is caused by minerals. The reason you use salt is that the softener is a big ion exchange machine. The chemistry that happens in a traditional water softener with pellets and resin is quite simple.

It is like the ion exchange columns I used in chem labs. The softener is just exchanging sodium ions for magnesium and chloride ions. I will stop before I put you guys to sleep lol.

For those still awake, the water goes through the column that has sodium ions on it. The magnesium and calcium ions stick to the resin and the calcium takes their place. You can use potassium chloride but that is more expensive.
 

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Answer the guy in plain basic english, and for his purposes.

He will not be helped w Doctoral Thesis excerpts.


What does, or can happen at like Fermilab or wherever, has NOTHING to do w him.


Just say, in home use, with home $, the magnets won't do **** that matters.

Done. Marc
 
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Okay, on a serious note. If you need to remove iron, have your local water softener company make you up a manganese greensand filter in a standard water softener casing. It rejuvenates with potassium permangamate. Might have to follow it up with a cartridge filter to catch precipitated iron particles. This will do wonders for iron in your water.

thinking of doing this myself new well has some iron in it but not real bad.
found a few good used Kinectico systems on CL
dump the resin and add greensand.
Any pointers on how to do? where do you get rid of the potassium permanganate,is it safe for the septic tank?
 

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thinking of doing this myself new well has some iron in it but not real bad.
found a few good used Kinectico systems on CL
dump the resin and add greensand.
Any pointers on how to do? where do you get rid of the potassium permanganate,is it safe for the septic tank?



I would not try covert a water softener to an iron filter. They look the same but but are slightly different. Potassium permanganate should be handled with some care and not getting the system flushed after regen would be a huge problem if not dangerous.


It you iron problem is not severe often a good softener can deal with some level iron as well.
 
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