The VISES of Garage Journal
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kwoswalt99
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Either a Milwaukee, or a Powr Kraft made by Milwaukee.
The silver looking one, almost looks like it's machined aluminum but can't really tell
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va.grouseman
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VISEs, there's that Aurora setting right up top.---You can still get the entire swivel base and lock-down kit from Milwaukee Tool and Equipment Co., if you are a mind to.---Just an option.
cajunfirehawk
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Hello all!
I hope you are well!
I am not sure if this is appropriate, so I will take it down immediately if asked to.
I am shaving my head bald March 5th to raise money for the St. Balrldrick's Foundation to help find a cure for childhood cancer, because CANCER *****!
If you are able to donate to my baldness, in any amount, please do!
I realize money is tight and you have responsibilities, commitments and your own personal charities and vises to buy!!!
They are a very reputable charity, please look it up or send me a PM and I will fill you in.
Here is the link, if you are interested...
https://www.stbaldricks.org/participants/mypage/883781/2017
I appreciate your time and attention!
Take care all!
Mike
Mike, Done!
I wasn't aware that the swivel base and lockdown were still available. That's great news! Thank you for sharing that. I will order them up.
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zoomieport
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Mike, Done!
Thank you so much Todd, your generosity is awesome!
I can't thank you enough!
I will get with you this weekend!
Take care SIR!
Thank you!
Mike Dillon
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GETRIDAONE
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zommie, I don't know what you were thinking about at 1:30 in the morning but you might need to check spelling on your last name.
zoomieport
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zommie, I don't know what you were thinking about at 1:30 in the morning but you might need to check spelling on your last name.
I was so excited about he donations on this site I guess I changed my name... Not too flattering of a choice I made either, I must say, haha!
Now let's talk about you SIR!
You are awesome, SO GENEROUS!
I told my girl what my "vise buddies", as she call us (I'm not sure it's a compliment all the time, lol!), had donated in the last 12 hours and I think I can buy another vise. (with my own money, not the donations, LOL!)
I think she likes us now, (well you guys probably more so than me...
)You guys have become great friends over the years!
And you SIR are one generous son of a gun!
Thank you very much!
I am in awe of you fellas!
Thank you so much!
Mike DILLON
EDIT, No Grey Goose or Bell's Beer were harmed during last nights post, LOL!
https://www.stbaldricks.org/participants/mypage/883781/2017
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zoomieport
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The donations coming in from you guys are absolutely BLOWING MY MIND!!!
I cannot thank you enough!
God Bless!
Thank you SO MUCH!
Mike Dillon
https://www.stbaldricks.org/participants/mypage/883781/2017
I cannot thank you enough!
God Bless!
Thank you SO MUCH!
Mike Dillon
https://www.stbaldricks.org/participants/mypage/883781/2017
Mostly because of the confusing part numbers, and pictures. Hopefully they'll still offer jaws for the models with the holes through the jaw face. You'd think it would be easy to have two part numbers and descriptions for a company as big as JPW.
Regardless, this is one of those times when I'm happy to be wrong! I really happy to see Wilton offering the jaws with the bolts from the back...more clamping surface, strong jaws, makes it a win-win situation!
The Wilton Magnet was on destroy today, but I managed to scale back the power and leave a few for everyone else. I passed on 6 other clean bullets between 2 and 4 inches, but these had my name on them.
All original 450SJ with a lot of the original paint on it. It had a set of soft jaws in it, so you know it wasn't beat on.
Original paint, original sticker baby on a Pow-R-Arm that is so nice I'm still in shock.
Nice clean early Schiller Park 4" bullet that only needs to be cleaned up and painted...unless someone wants to put it to work right away.
I've been looking for an SJ and clean baby for a long time...two at the same time is just bananas! I usually restore and sell most of the vises I find, but these two will test my resolve!
I need to get some shelving! Three of these (500N, 1760 in green, and 1780 are already spoken for/sold) but I'm supposed to pick up a couple more next week. I'd like to find something really strong I can put on casters....always another project, right?
All original 450SJ with a lot of the original paint on it. It had a set of soft jaws in it, so you know it wasn't beat on.
Original paint, original sticker baby on a Pow-R-Arm that is so nice I'm still in shock.
Nice clean early Schiller Park 4" bullet that only needs to be cleaned up and painted...unless someone wants to put it to work right away.
I've been looking for an SJ and clean baby for a long time...two at the same time is just bananas! I usually restore and sell most of the vises I find, but these two will test my resolve!
I need to get some shelving! Three of these (500N, 1760 in green, and 1780 are already spoken for/sold) but I'm supposed to pick up a couple more next week. I'd like to find something really strong I can put on casters....always another project, right?
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trijeff
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Dang Gman!! REALLY nice haul ... drooling over here!
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The Wilton Magnet was on destroy today, but I managed to scale back the power and leave a few for everyone else. I passed on 6 other clean bullets between 2 and 4 inches, but these had my name on them.
All original 450SJ with a lot of the original paint on it. It had a set of soft jaws in it, so you know it wasn't beat on.
Original paint, original sticker baby on a Pow-R-Arm that is so nice I'm still in shock.
Nice clean early Schiller Park 4" bullet that only needs to be cleaned up and painted...unless someone wants to put it to work right away.
I've been looking for an SJ and clean baby for a long time...two at the same time is just bananas! I usually restore and sell most of the vises I find, but these two will test my resolve!
I need to get some shelving! Three of these (500N, 1760 in green, and 1780 are already spoken for/sold) but I'm supposed to pick up a couple more next week. I'd like to find something really strong I can put on casters....always another project, right?
I'll buy them both.
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Given equal jaw size I'd say a Record is probably a stronger, more durable vise than a Wilton bullet, but sealing the screw inside the tube of the Wilton gives it an advantage in keeping the screw clean, and debris out.
For service vehicles a Wilton bullet/tradesman will be better since you won't get dust, water, etc inside to gum up the works and cause rust.
Resale value is all Wilton. Nobody here really seems to know about Record or the similar vises like Paramo or Dawn, so they won't pay much for them.
I'm hoping to find a Record or Param with the quick release mechanism one of these days....really great vises.
kwoswalt99
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Depends on which model Record, some weren't as strong as others. I wouldn't put a Wilton on a truck personally, the slide design is prone to freezing up from rust.
Tell that to virtually every service truck that has a Tradesman mounted on the bumper. If they were freezing up from rust they wouldn't be the standard of the industry for that application.
In fact, if you ride around with the vise closed, almost none of the slide is going to get exposed and a little grease or Fluid Film will take care of what's exposed.
I'd much rather have a little bit of surface rust on a small portion of the slide than a rusted screw because it was completely exposed to all the moisture and salt coming off the road.
Mostly because of the confusing part numbers, and pictures. Hopefully they'll still offer jaws for the models with the holes through the jaw face. You'd think it would be easy to have two part numbers and descriptions for a company as big as JPW.
Regardless, this is one of those times when I'm happy to be wrong! I really happy to see Wilton offering the jaws with the bolts from the back...more clamping surface, strong jaws, makes it a win-win situation!
I suspect the 600's with the screws through the jaw face use the 1984 up C3 jaws.
And KMScott's jaws for the bolt though the back 600's are $118 minus the GJ discount, cheapest I found the factory Wilton 2903280 jaws is $95.77 at Zoro including shipping. If I needed jaws I would be getting Kevins!
kwoswalt99
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^You only have one?
trijeff
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Time to play the whats-in-there and wheres-it-going game ....
trijeff
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Ha! There is actually something smaller than a Wilton baby in there ... no joke!!
kwoswalt99
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That's more like it.
Thrumcap
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So, who was watching the 1920 Pittsburgh Vise catalog that just ended at over $400? 
http://www.ebay.com/itm/1920-Pittsburgh-Vise-Catalog-Original-Old-Tools-/162386530762?roken=cUgayN&soutkn=tLLKzd
Thrumcap
Ok who just bought it? That is absolutely incredibly infuriating to me!
Im talking about the Pittsburgh vise catalog!
VA!! I'm certain you are the one...but I can't get you on the phone...
Ok I'll be a good sport....congratulations to whom ever just won it....way to outbid me by $5. Lord have mercy. But anyways. Congratulations to you! Now may I please purchase a full color copy or two of it?!?!?
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Im talking about the Pittsburgh vise catalog!
VA!! I'm certain you are the one...but I can't get you on the phone...
Ok I'll be a good sport....congratulations to whom ever just won it....way to outbid me by $5. Lord have mercy. But anyways. Congratulations to you! Now may I please purchase a full color copy or two of it?!?!?
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meatsis
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You have something smaller than a baby bullet in a crate over 3 feet long?!!!
I8AWRENCH
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Question for the visexperts - this wilton was on cl in my area and now its gone - sold I'm sure but I'm wondering if it was a good deal - Wilton #8 has 6"jaws and swivel base looks old - a crappy picture I know, but the ad was asking for 350 ? I am looking at getting another Wilton which is supposed to be new but from the one picture of it I see looks to have raised (embossed ) logo - don't the newer ones have stickers ? - thanks , maybe that was more than one question. Oh and are new 800N and 600N Wilton's really almost 3k and 1.1k ? That comes up when googling new Wilton vise. Thanks again.
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Update:Columbian 404 ½ Swivel Jaw Machinist Vise
Previous related post (41472, page 2079:
Barn-finds- I’ve heard about them, but never seen one and certainly never been the recipient of one, but out of the blue my son dragged home a massive Columbian 404 ½ found lying in the dirt in rural Virginia. Although I don’t have a lot of use for such a large vise (I have a heavy Palmgren and a massive Emmert already), I will restore this one just to add to my Columbian collection. Still I would have preferred him finding a cherry ‘67 or ‘68 Chevelle.
The vise appears to have seen little use and no abuse other than abandonment to the elements. I got the swivel plate off, and the screw and nut appear to be free. The moving jaw slide is frozen in place. The taper pin holding the swivel jaw is pretty solidly rooted too.
I will start to get things freed up and cleaned up in my electrolysis tank. The hot caustic bath works wonders. If that fails, out come the torch, liquid nitrogen, and vibratory stress reliever. I don’t want to get medieval on this, so I will try finesse for a while.
I have noticed that the swivel locking handle, screw and wedge are missing so once I get this thing freed up I may request a sketch from another owner of a 404 ½ so I can fabricate replacements.
After much start and stop effort, assisted by a large electrolysis tank, an Enerpac cylinder, and lots of PB Blaster, I managed to separate all components of this vise, including the huge moving jaw and taper pin for the swivel jaw. There is very little clearance between the slide of the moving jaw and the vise body, which is normally a good thing. However years of corrosion had fused the two together such that 6 hours, an Enerpac jack, and large (Thor sized) deadblow hammer were required to separate them. The swivel pin, likewise, required a small hydraulic jack to uncork from the body.
All done though, and after an extended electrolysis bath and hot oil finish, the vise is now assembled and function (and heavy). As noted in my original post, the clamping hardware for the swivel base was all missing when the vise was found. Would someone with a similar Columbian sketch up the clamp arm, bolt, and wedge and post it? I have several pictures of the same vise, so I could reverse engineer something, but after this much effort I would like to match the original design if possible.
Previous related post (41472, page 2079:
Barn-finds- I’ve heard about them, but never seen one and certainly never been the recipient of one, but out of the blue my son dragged home a massive Columbian 404 ½ found lying in the dirt in rural Virginia. Although I don’t have a lot of use for such a large vise (I have a heavy Palmgren and a massive Emmert already), I will restore this one just to add to my Columbian collection. Still I would have preferred him finding a cherry ‘67 or ‘68 Chevelle.
The vise appears to have seen little use and no abuse other than abandonment to the elements. I got the swivel plate off, and the screw and nut appear to be free. The moving jaw slide is frozen in place. The taper pin holding the swivel jaw is pretty solidly rooted too.
I will start to get things freed up and cleaned up in my electrolysis tank. The hot caustic bath works wonders. If that fails, out come the torch, liquid nitrogen, and vibratory stress reliever. I don’t want to get medieval on this, so I will try finesse for a while.
I have noticed that the swivel locking handle, screw and wedge are missing so once I get this thing freed up I may request a sketch from another owner of a 404 ½ so I can fabricate replacements.
After much start and stop effort, assisted by a large electrolysis tank, an Enerpac cylinder, and lots of PB Blaster, I managed to separate all components of this vise, including the huge moving jaw and taper pin for the swivel jaw. There is very little clearance between the slide of the moving jaw and the vise body, which is normally a good thing. However years of corrosion had fused the two together such that 6 hours, an Enerpac jack, and large (Thor sized) deadblow hammer were required to separate them. The swivel pin, likewise, required a small hydraulic jack to uncork from the body.
All done though, and after an extended electrolysis bath and hot oil finish, the vise is now assembled and function (and heavy). As noted in my original post, the clamping hardware for the swivel base was all missing when the vise was found. Would someone with a similar Columbian sketch up the clamp arm, bolt, and wedge and post it? I have several pictures of the same vise, so I could reverse engineer something, but after this much effort I would like to match the original design if possible.
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trijeff
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Yeah, I'm so sick of these shipping companies destroying vises I just go totally overboard these days. Break that UPS!!!
Oh, and there might be a ginormous vise in there, too
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meatsis
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Oh and are new 800N and 600N Wilton's really almost 3k and 1.1k ? That comes up when googling new Wilton vise. Thanks again.[/QUOTE]
Yes they do cost that much. In case you didn't know, Wilton bullets are made of pure gold.
Yes they do cost that much. In case you didn't know, Wilton bullets are made of pure gold.
va.grouseman
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Well VISEs knows it wasn't me that got the catalog now, cause I talked with him, but we both want to know who got it along with some others.---Whoever you are, you can recoup your money by selling copies for a nominal fee.---Just an idea.---There are several that would purchase one.