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Mark in Indiana
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RG,
Your 974-1/2 is a newer version of my Parker 205 (in my avatar). It's been my daily driver for >25 years. How much did you get it for?
bagged89s10
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Mark in Indiana
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RG,
You didn't do bad, especially if you're in a vise desert area. Those are top shelf vises. I sold one to a local truck garage for $250. The owner got tired of his guys breaking the HF vises that he was buying.
Also, >25 years ago, before vises were cool, I paid 50$ for my Parker 205. Back then, I felt that I overpaid for it. I'm glad to have it.
You didn't do bad, especially if you're in a vise desert area. Those are top shelf vises. I sold one to a local truck garage for $250. The owner got tired of his guys breaking the HF vises that he was buying.
Also, >25 years ago, before vises were cool, I paid 50$ for my Parker 205. Back then, I felt that I overpaid for it. I'm glad to have it.
FMC1959
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Here's a pretty good explanation from GJ member Catalyze, back in the early pages of this thread, on the difference between a Parker Eclipse and a Parker Superior series vise. (85 pound 4" vise, crazy)
This is the explanation....
http://www.garagejournal.com/forum/showpost.php?p=2440269&postcount=4907
And he is referring to Lumps 824 in this post...
http://www.garagejournal.com/forum/showpost.php?p=2439972&postcount=4894
This is the explanation....
http://www.garagejournal.com/forum/showpost.php?p=2440269&postcount=4907
And he is referring to Lumps 824 in this post...
http://www.garagejournal.com/forum/showpost.php?p=2439972&postcount=4894
jakemac
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Did I get taken?
no, that's not fair. I had my eyes open and didn't see. I bought this 4 1/4" Reed at a flea mkt
And was glad to see the wing nut with it. No mounting ring or pipe jaws , but a good price.
Didn't notice what you all have probably already seen til I got it home : the welded jaw.
So, what do I actually have? A vise, yard art, or 68 pounds of scrap?
Dayid's site seems to be down; at least I can 't find the big index, so any info as to age, model number etc. Would be much appreciated.
no, that's not fair. I had my eyes open and didn't see. I bought this 4 1/4" Reed at a flea mkt
And was glad to see the wing nut with it. No mounting ring or pipe jaws , but a good price.
Didn't notice what you all have probably already seen til I got it home : the welded jaw.
So, what do I actually have? A vise, yard art, or 68 pounds of scrap?
Dayid's site seems to be down; at least I can 't find the big index, so any info as to age, model number etc. Would be much appreciated.
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jakemac
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A few pictures might be helpful.
Trying!!!
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va.grouseman
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You mean the highly paid...
Highly educated...
Administrative types...
That move paper and data from one pile to the next...
Without accomplishing any meaningful work???
Those paper pushing government types???
I'll bet they're 'Swivlin' B@#tards", too!!!!
HA! HA! HA!, I resemble that remark.
jakemac
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Oooo, that's an ugly booger.
It might be ok for light use, but I wouldn't try heavy work on it.
Either way, I'd clean it up and put it on display. As an antique, she's earned her retirement.
joe.striper
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Cope
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Good man.
I had an 824 and a 975 at the same time. It's crazy that the 975 only weighed about 19lbs more than the 824.
As I recall the 824 was 85lbs and the 975 was 104lbs. An 85lb 4" vise is a beast!
The crazy thing was I had it on Craigslist for a long time before I sold it for $125. People will pay roughly 3 times that for a 4" Wilton that isn't in the same league for strength and durability.
It is unfortunate that Parker jaws are soft and essentially impossible to replace economically.
So, it's starting to sound like this would be a good buy at $100?
I thought these jaws would be replaceable?
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I thought these jaws would be replaceable?
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oldldh
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www.benchvisejaws.com
Reverend Kevin Scott can tell you how to replace them...
And...
He'll even make you some, and put them on, if you'll send your clamper to him...
And part with a small pile of coin of the realm...
Well, make that a medium sized pile ----
Look at the Chas Parker page on his website...
oldldh
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HA! HA! HA!, I resemble that remark.
My best friend, a Retired USAF Chief Master Sergeant....
Was a GS-13 at the Headquarters of Southern Command in Miami...
His quote (with apologies to Sir Winston Churchill...)
Never, in the field of governmental endeavor...
Have so many...
Done so little...
With so much...
For so few...
I turned down a GS-11/12 job at Eglin AFB, because they wouldn't pay my relocation...So I was nearly one of you...And a GS-12/!3 job at Tinker AFB in Oklahoma City, because I would have been out of the country 6 to 7 months a year...After 16 years overseas, while I was in the Air Force --- Laos, England, Belgium, Spain, and another tour in England, I wanted to stay home awhile...
My least favorite "Highly Paid Civilian and Armed Forces People" are the prima donna divas called Air Traffic Controllers....Don't even get me started on those folks...
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KMScott
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I am restoring this Parker 439 for a member and will take longer then a weekend to restore. Gotta be careful when buying vises that are damaged. You need a machine shop to fix vises like these. Would welding the jaw supports take away from the worth of a vise like this Parker? I think not in this case but just my opinion. It is hard to pass up on a vise like this if you know it can be fixed.
I was asked to look at the Wilton 800 to give my opinion if it is repairable. I told the guy it is possible but requires hours of machine time and requires custom jaws. I am surprised when I get contacted and shown pictures of vises like the 800 after the customer spends dollars and shipping costs. No telling what caused this big vise to get damaged.
It is good to see guys like Joe that help the young man out on his wood working vise, it is satisfying like Joe mentioned to help guys out. I wish I'd get a few kids wanting to repair there vises, I would love the company.
One day we must discuss what a restore is, clean and polish to me is not considered a restore but maybe I need to be corrected.
I was asked to look at the Wilton 800 to give my opinion if it is repairable. I told the guy it is possible but requires hours of machine time and requires custom jaws. I am surprised when I get contacted and shown pictures of vises like the 800 after the customer spends dollars and shipping costs. No telling what caused this big vise to get damaged.
It is good to see guys like Joe that help the young man out on his wood working vise, it is satisfying like Joe mentioned to help guys out. I wish I'd get a few kids wanting to repair there vises, I would love the company.
One day we must discuss what a restore is, clean and polish to me is not considered a restore but maybe I need to be corrected.
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I generally describe what I do as "cosmetic restoration" although I have gone farther than that a few times into actually fixing stuff.
Bellaireroad
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What you have there is a reed 32... daddy to the 2C...should have a 32 cast on the other side...
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CwazyWabbit
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I generally describe what I do as "cosmetic restoration" although I have gone farther than that a few times into actually fixing stuff.
Dictionary definitions are interesting.
Restore - repair or renovate (a building, work of art, etc.) so as to return it to its original condition.
Refurbish - renovate and redecorate
Renovate - restore (something old, especially a building) to a good state of repair.
Overhaul - take apart (a piece of machinery or equipment) in order to examine it and repair it if necessary.
CRSINMICH
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VISEs: Here are two catalog pages, one from 1900 and one from 1912, showing your Nason Mfg. Co. pipe vise. Nason was a plumbing supply company in New York City. I also included some information about Joseph Nason and J.J. Walworth. With all your vises I assume that you have at least one Walworth. If you do, please post some pictures when you have the time.
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bagged89s10
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So, it's starting to sound like this would be a good buy at $100?
I thought these jaws would be replaceable?
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Parker jaws are soft and renewable. If I had a mill, I would find a way to recut the serrations on all my parkers. I'm want to find a way to make a jig to use the tools I have to recut serrations on a few sets I have.
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They are easy enough to remove...just drive the pins out from the bottom. Actually machining a replacement set is fairly involved, and the only person around that I'm aware of making them KMScott. The problem is that they're all essentially a custom job, and I'm pretty sure you have to ship the vise to him, so you're paying shipping in both directions, then for the actual work.
I suspect that when you add up shipping and having the new jaws made, it will add up to a lot more than you could ever sell the vise for. If you're keeping it, or it has some sentimental value, that's not as important, but if you're considering a purchase you might be able to find the same model vise with good jaws for less than what it would cost to buy one that needs new jaws and replace them.
The good thing is that if somebody has KMScott make a set of jaws for their Parker they shouldn't ever have to replace them!
GETRIDAONE
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Here is a "renovate - overhaul" according to CW and the dictionary. The crack in slide was wide enough to jamb about half way open. I had to knock it out with a wood block and hammer. I did a poor brazing job on it and ground down the sides of the slide to fit. The vise was given to me so I have nothing in it. I enjoyed repairing it and getting a little more experience brazing cast iron.
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KMScott
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I think using a flux that does not burn will help you in your brazing Getridone. That is a perfect sized vise to practice on and it will last another 50 years. I do not have the means to heat vises to brazing temps since the last few I have repaired were big vises. I choose to weld Demomans 109 after adding a buried 3/8 bolt before welding. Could only fit one Socket Head Cap Screw since the webbing under the square slider is so thin. The webbing could have been thicker from the Foundry and maybe the crack would have not happened.
Renovate is a good description of our work.
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PghJKB
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Highboy
Yes, they are replaceable. But do they need replaced? It looks to me like the original jaws are there. The images are at best, poor, but when I enlarge them, it it looks like the original jaws are present.
Parker installed smooth jaws. Perhaps what you are looking at are smooth jaws and you are expecting serrated ones? If I remember correctly, one of the members here used a hand file to cut serrations into smooth jaws (Get, was that you?)
Can you provide a better image of the jaws?
JKB
Garagetime
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Thanks for the input everyone, I'm currently trying to get better pics of the jaws before I make the drive. I just wanted to make sure the jaws weren't forged on. I have access to a mill and am probably dangerous enough to make my own set, maybe send them to kmscott for serrations and hardening, if needed. Km Scott, are you grinding jaws to size after hardening?
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SMOKEYBEAR
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I have 3 vices, I have id'd one as a Craftsman 5025, its in good condition and has the markings and label for identification. One of the others have a mark/ brand, but nothing else, and the last one..no id marks that I can find. Pics, I'm all ears fro info any of the three. I don't have a use for em but would like to attempt to gather what info is available. I'm pretty sure the last one, the aluminum jaw isn't original seems as though it should be iron like the stationary side.
KMScott
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Thanks Bart for the kind words but as you know I do make mistakes.
72, yes I leave .004 on each side and finish grind after heat treating. If you or anyone else makes jaws out of A2 then send them to me and I will include them with my heat treat at no charge except for shipping. I'd have to look at the heat treat spec"s on A6 and S7 both air hardening Tool Steel to see if they could go in the same basket. Air hardening steel is very stable and does not twist or bend after heat treating.
GETRIDAONE
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JKB, I only did a couple of old ones that had the hand filed cross pattern to start with. They were about worn off and I just followed the faint lines that were there. Smooth jaw vises grip amazing well.
Kevin, That crack you repaired looked as long as the whole little Yost I worked on. I am still uncomfortable getting to near a piece of glowing red hot metal.
Kevin, That crack you repaired looked as long as the whole little Yost I worked on. I am still uncomfortable getting to near a piece of glowing red hot metal.
joe.striper
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Bought 6 vises today. Wilton C1, 5" prentiss fixed base, 5" athol swivel base, 5" Athol quick release, 1" Athol clamp on, 5.25" prentiss 21 swivel jaw, Parker 23x. Pd $405 for all 6 of the vises.
Gray vise is the Athol and what I assume is a quick release...i got out of there as fast as possibe before the seller changed his mind.
Also bought a small compressor and a Hunter 6x12 surface grinder in great shape for 150.
Gray vise is the Athol and what I assume is a quick release...i got out of there as fast as possibe before the seller changed his mind.
Also bought a small compressor and a Hunter 6x12 surface grinder in great shape for 150.
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RivennHewn
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Well now, Joe Striper, don't you ****!
trijeff
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^^^ This. Nice work, Joe.
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Cope
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What model?
My hats off to you! What a gentleman and scholar! Many thanks for providing this information I just love it!!!
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CRSINMICH
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Well, jeeze, you're making me blush! If you like that you'll probably like the stuff on the Vise Manufacturer' thread. Here's a link: http://www.garagejournal.com/forum/showthread.php?t=283430&highlight=vise+manufacturers&page=3
You should be able to add a lot of information to it yourself.
Here's my Walworth - most of it anyway. It needs a handle.
