Above 1200 Sq/FT Cleaning Up My Shop

[oldironfarmer]

When I bought the purple car it was from a hot rodder's shop in front of a pawn shop. I stopped by there today and happened to ask if the shop was closed. They had purchased it along with the old filling station they use. I asked if they had some old aluminum castings (my only purpose in life). He asked if I'd like some of the stuff. well, of course, I don't have enough stuff. Most of the contents were gone but there were lots of tools left. I was surprised he didn't want the tools. First he gave me five chain saws. Started out to give me eight but I got him to pull the ropes and he decided to keep three. I found lots of great stuff. My truck:

An old Sears chain saw. Not sure I can bring myself to melt this.

A Dremel scroll saw (it runs)

A bunch of small taps most of which look new

Had an old friend come by to look at the foundry so we cast a shelf bracket.

Used my new wooden runners and it worked great!

Now it was time to heat treat my taper cutter. Put a half brick in front of the burner to keep the flame indirect.

That's the cutter in the middle, heating slowly.

Getting to a good orange heat

Mark is taking pictures now. We let it soak until it was hot to the bottom

Pulled it out warm

And straight into cold water with vigorous agitation.

Pull it out for a couple of seconds to let the internal heat temper it

Then back in until it is cool.

Still wet but looks good

A file will cut it on the shank And it feels hard when trying to file along where the milling cutter cut it (that's a 90 degree corner so I can hold a file into that corner) however the file cut the root of the end of the cutter between teeth. I think it is hard enough to cut steel. But I'm only cutting walnut, a relatively soft wood.

The proof, as they say, is in the pudding. I have to go to review my taxes tomorrow so I may or may not be able to try it out tomorrow.

Thanks for stopping in!

 

[ajohno]

Great score Andy.

 

[HCNDM]

I laughed and laughed. You're going to listen to me on heat treatment? I use water on unknown steel

Whew! Got to get a grip here. OK, O1 is oil quench, but you just can't heat a sharp edge to red and lose some metal to mill scale and not lose the edge. Better to leave the edge a bit blunt then sharpen and hone after treating. Even with oil you can initiate some fine cracks when you quench a very sharp edge.

How do you temper?

Is you edge fine after sharpening?

Do you test?

I like to forge cutting tools out of sucker rod (connects the pump jack on the surface with the downhole pump. Good steel, alloys all over the map. If I'm making a knife I forge down a small section and heat treat it. Then I bend it to failure in a vice and inspect it. I've done this several times with a water quench on a 1/8" by 3/8" piece of sucker rod. I get a 30 to 45 degree bend before it snaps and there are fine cracks all over the surface. Hard surface and relatively tough underneath. Good enough for lots of tools.

Do some kind of test on your process to confirm how you like it.

We won't know how I did until tomorrow when I cut some wood with the cutter. However the cutting edge is almost 90 degrees so losing a bit of surface metal will make it sharper.

Hey Andy,

I had a giggle at that. Sadly I don't forge due to neighbors and noise and all that. Stock removal all the way.

Temperring is done in my kitchen oven at 200c for a couple of hours.

As to testing... let's just say it's mostly redneck. Hitting the edge on some metal, sticking in a vice and bending 30 degrees etc.

Millscale cleanup with sandpaper and sharpening the edge with water stones. Knock on wood I have never had edge problems or hardness issues.

I've had two of my knives tested and the both came in at 57-58 hrc.

I made a chefs knife a few years ago where after hardening and tempering I place the half inch closest to the edge in an ice water bath and then heated the spline to red hot with an oxy torch. Makes for a very flexible blade. Not my idea though... as seen on YouTube.

Great score on the tools btw! And interesting how you used the internal heat to temper I have to try that.

I also noticed you have a lot less mill scale forming than I do on 01? Wonder if that's the water quench over oil?

I really need to read up a bit rather than learn by youtube.

Niels




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[dlcwent]

Nice pawn shop score Andy.

I was going to make some smart assed crack but decided to give you a break. I've got a lot of usable material but if I run out, I'll hit Jim Reed up. He's apparently got more than I do.

Have a good tax day.

 

[jimreed2160]

Andy--We are all watching with delight and amazement as you clean your shop. Making tools is cool but machining your own bits is over the top in cool.

In the early days, my wife inquired about my shop activities. I was setting up the shop at the time so my activities were making shop furniture and fixtures. This activity continued for years and she later dubbed my shop:

The Great Black Hole of the Universe where tools and materials disappear and are consumed to make yet more tools which consume more material. Things go in but nothing ever comes out of there.

I changed my strategy and squirted out the occasional project just to keep her happy.

Just keep being Andy and we will get more popcorn and watch.

 

[drivesitfar]

Andy: with all you posted yesterday i think you got a week's worth of Saturdays in. WELL DONE!!!

thanks for sharing how you made your new cutter from muffin to tempered tool and very curious to see how it works.

I had to smile when you asked the guy what was going to happen with all the stuff in the pawn shop and then saw what you found. did you NEED it, probably not, but it was there and some of that stuff might come in handy. you'll never know if you don't ask so NICE HAUL!!

one of our members Down Under (TwoBytes) has a huge ants nest not far from his home and he had this on his trash can yesterday (pic below). so while he's looking up how to get rid of (or kill) ants he found this video that i thought you and others following your foundry information might like. i bet it took a lot of muffins to make this.

have another great SATURDAY

Jim: great story and somewhat similar to what my wife thinks when i say i'm ORGANIZING! i'm showing a little progress the last few months and do a project that she wants done so she doesn't think i'm swearing anymore when i say i'm going to ORGANIZE.

 

[oldironfarmer]

Great score Andy.

Thank you, I guess. More of what I already have too much of, but how can you pass?

Hey Andy,

I had a giggle at that. Sadly I don't forge due to neighbors and noise and all that. Stock removal all the way.

Nothing wrong with stock removal, and that's why I'm not allowed to have neighbors. But I do like my trip hammer pounding.

Temperring is done in my kitchen oven at 200c for a couple of hours.

Just put it in with a potato to bake!

As to testing... let's just say it's mostly redneck. Hitting the edge on some metal, sticking in a vice and bending 30 degrees etc.

Millscale cleanup with sandpaper and sharpening the edge with water stones. Knock on wood I have never had edge problems or hardness issues.

I've had two of my knives tested and the both came in at 57-58 hrc.

I'm surprised you're getting that soft with 200C temper, seems more like 300C hardness. Do you know you're getting to temperature before quench?

I made a chefs knife a few years ago where after hardening and tempering I place the half inch closest to the edge in an ice water bath and then heated the spline to red hot with an oxy torch. Makes for a very flexible blade. Not my idea though... as seen on YouTube.

Never heard of that, nice way to get a soft back. Seems like there would be lots of residual stresses close to the cutting edge.

Great score on the tools btw! And interesting how you used the internal heat to temper I have to try that.

I hope I can use at least some of the tools I spent time collecting...

If you want to use residual heat for tempering it's best to start with something like a cold chisel. Grind your shape, anneal, then heat to quenching temperature, quench, pull out and file quickly to get bright metal, then watch the colors run to the edge. I usually quench again at a straw color, about 440C. Works well after you get the rhythm down pat. I guessed on the cutter because I didn't want to try to file the cutter. for wood chisels I usually polish the edge then heat the body with a propane torch and watch for the colors next to the edge and quench quickly.

I also noticed you have a lot less mill scale forming than I do on 01? Wonder if that's the water quench over oil?

O-1 I think you'll find needs to be kept in a controlled atmosphere for the best results. I was pretty quick from an oxygen neutral furnace to the water. And some of your mill scale is burned hydrocarbon. I just don't like oil quenching and seem to survive with water.

I really need to read up a bit rather than learn by youtube.

Niels

I've heard YouTube is replacing university studies.


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Thanks for the visit!

Nice pawn shop score Andy.

Thanks?

I was going to make some smart assed crack but decided to give you a break. I've got a lot of usable material but if I run out, I'll hit Jim Reed up. He's apparently got more than I do.

OK, you've disappointed me. I thought sure the level of absurdness of my haul would elicit some great comments.

Have a good tax day.

Andy--We are all watching with delight and amazement as you clean your shop. Making tools is cool but machining your own bits is over the top in cool.

Thank you very much! I am quite proud of my new cutter!

In the early days, my wife inquired about my shop activities. I was setting up the shop at the time so my activities were making shop furniture and fixtures. This activity continued for years and she later dubbed my shop:

The Great Black Hole of the Universe where tools and materials disappear and are consumed to make yet more tools which consume more material. Things go in but nothing ever comes out of there.

I changed my strategy and squirted out the occasional project just to keep her happy.

Smart strategy! My wife has never expected anything productive from me and I try to never disappoint.

Just keep being Andy and we will get more popcorn and watch.

Thank you! I can be me.

I tried being Bob but it just wasn't me.

Andy: with all you posted yesterday i think you got a week's worth of Saturdays in. WELL DONE!!!

Thank you!

thanks for sharing how you made your new cutter from muffin to tempered tool and very curious to see how it works.

Thank you, again! But the cutter is not from an aluminum muffin, but a piece of sucker rod.

I had to smile when you asked the guy what was going to happen with all the stuff in the pawn shop and then saw what you found. did you NEED it, probably not, but it was there and some of that stuff might come in handy. you'll never know if you don't ask so NICE HAUL!!

No, I was innocent. The building was closed during normal business hours and I merely asked whether it had gone out of business. He informed me that it was closed, and now theirs, and did I want anything. I basically picked out each item and know for a fact there is not much I'll ever use. But at least I didn't pay for it after bidding on it.

one of our members Down Under (TwoBytes) has a huge ants nest not far from his home and he had this on his trash can yesterday (pic below). so while he's looking up how to get rid of (or kill) ants he found this video that i thought you and others following your foundry information might like. i bet it took a lot of muffins to make this.

Incredibly interesting ant casting video!

have another great SATURDAY

Jim: great story and somewhat similar to what my wife thinks when i say i'm ORGANIZING! i'm showing a little progress the last few months and do a project that she wants done so she doesn't think i'm swearing anymore when i say i'm going to ORGANIZE.

Not much done today

 

[oldironfarmer]

I hurried out this morning before breakfast and tried out my new cutter. I made a little jig to guide the cutter, a 1" dowel in a 2x4 centered under the 3/4" cutter.

I clamped two boards together, offset, so the bottom board would use the dowel as a guide and I could safely trim the top board with the cutter.

The drill press does not have a spindle lock, just a depth lock so I was getting some chatter. I next drilled a couple of holes and ran the tool into each hole. Large is 3/4", small is 5/8".

Smooth as a baby's **** on a doorknob. This was the intended original purpose of the tool: to taper holes through a pattern so the sand will come out.

Then I got brave and put it in a router. Router ran smooth, so I cut into a board with it. High speed and slow movement it burned, but not too bad. This wasn't guided so the cut is not straight. It should be sharp to get a clean cut at router speeds. Having no relief also hurts more at high speed. Even though it is unsightly it is smooth and does not harm the board for use as a pattern.

I need to figure out how to sharpen it if I'm going to run it in a router.

I went to Woolaroc after taxes (getting a refund!) to meet with my wife's cousin. They are having a rendezvous of mountain men re-enactors, of which he is one. Woolaroc is Frank Phillips ranch (of Phillips 66 fame) and the ranch has a fabulous museum. But these guys are camped out re-enacting an old time rendezvous. He brought me an ancient meat grinder (and no, I don't know why) and needed me to come get it before he comes down Saturday because his truck is FULL. Probably 200 tents there. I had too much fun to take pictures...

My helper got enough cleaned out to start closing in the shop. There are stairs but I asked him to put in a door in the center. It may never be used.

He "found" an old Craftsman tool box. Yes, I knew it was there. This was Dolores Southern's dad's box. She is in her nineties, and I've had it since soon after he died. I don't want to use it, but I may start now.

These are older Craftsman tools, look like they are cadmium plated.

Two sockets are replacements, and there is a speed wrench under the tray.

There is a job checkout tag dated in 1952 on the handle, meaning it had been checked OK by the guards as he was leaving a job in Louisiana.

He also found another tool box. I honestly have no idea where it came from, but I vaguely remember it.

I was surprised there were tools in it

Note the tapered small sockets. The ratchet has the old style head with a newer style handle. They are chrome plated. Wrenches under the tray.

I am surprised these tool boxes are so clean and in my shop. Mine are full of tools and junk. I guess I'll take a picture of my boxes for reference and the amusement of bored GJ readers.

Thanks for stopping in!! I guess I never know what I have.

 

[1/2 Cup]

Andy, when you do an update, you do it well...

What more can I say..

Nice scores from the pawn shop as well

Regards

 

[Vieux]

This is awesome !

 

[bolensboneyard]

Good score Andy

 

[-Brent-]

That second box is a beaut! If you ever choose to sell it, think of me, will ya? I'd love to display that up on my "cool old stuff" shelf.

 

[oldironfarmer]

Andy, when you do an update, you do it well...

What more can I say..

Nice scores from the pawn shop as well

Regards

Thank you, Steve! I appreciate your comments! And I'm having a great time!! I just have more I want to do than I have time for.

This is awesome !

Thank you Vladimir! I appreciate that!!

Good score Andy

Thanks Bobby! Nothing like what you come up with, but it was FREE! Isn't free stuff good even if you never use it?

That second box is a beaut! If you ever choose to sell it, think of me, will ya? I'd love to display that up on my "cool old stuff" shelf.

You made me go to eBay. Whoa! there aren't many of these. Mine has the snap lid, apparently later ones had a hasp. I might be talked out of it. Unless I start using it. This is what my tractor tool boxes look like. They are mounted on the front frame rail and get lots of vibration so everything stays shined up.

Two each combination wrenches in the tray, along with a small ball peen, drifts, cold chisel or two, pliers, and in the bottom, a 1/2" socket set, 3/8" deep sockets, 3 lb hammer and a 16" Crescent (missing from this one, wonder when I stole it?). I would never treat a good tool box like this, but I have two boxes like this outfitted and one rides on each tractor when I'm working. This is for the mower tractor, the second is a baler box. They have to stay loaded (16" Crescent going in this one) for grab and go. Never leave home without a tool box.

Thanks for the comments!!

 

[oldironfarmer]

When I went to Woolaroc my wife's cousin gave me this:

It is a very old meat grinder. The final screen is missing, but other than that it is complete. He said I could use a hit and miss engine to run it. Now I have something to do!

Had a closing to buy a house today, that soaks up the time But I stopped by my local hardware store to ask if I could buy scrap aluminum. No, but they will give me all I want to dig out of the scrap pile. I ran out of time but managed to get this

This is truly me. I will collect way more aluminum and brass than I need because I have an innate fear of running out.

Time to start on a more conventional furnace. Rather than casting refractory in a pipe (which cannot be disassembled or repaired) I've decided to cast four 90 degree sections. I wanted 12" ID for the form but I'm a settler so I settled for a 12" pipe (12-3/4" OD) for my form. I had this piece of pipe recently acquired when a guy moved out of town and sold me some of his stuff. He was going to use it as a firebox for a smoker, and it's a good length for me. Started with a couple of saddles to hold it.

I decided on 2-1/2" thick refractory. I want to key each quarter section of refractory so I made a form for each side.

Not sure I have enough gap so I need to do some careful measurement.

Tomorrow is busy, my sheet metal is ready for the shop ceiling so I have to go get it. That takes the morning, then my friend (yes, my only friend) is bringing my South Bend lathe back for use in pattern making. And the cousin is coming in Saturday so who knows when I'll be able to get back to work?

Thanks for stopping in!

 

[drivesitfar]

ANDY: you are a brother from another mother i swear. i see you asking about scrap. showing your finds that you might have spent a little time and energy and maybe a got a scratch or two getting and I just smile. Then you show your 40's Craftsman Heritage toolboxes with the old GOOD quality Craftsman tools in them just as they were maybe bought 70 years ago. Brent won't be the only one wanting those that is for certain and if you wanted to clean them up and use them you might be surprised that they are probably better tools than anything made today.

great job on the cutter and you certainly have SKILLS.

if you want to tell us why you bought another house instead of another hot rod you are more than welcome to, but you don't have to. or did the house come with a few hundred acres so you could put on your developer's hat to help pay for more hot rods and foundry supplies?

cheers and have a great SATUR DAY and i'll do the same

just to add a little color to my post i had another local GJ member find me this old USA version of the Chinese Wonder Vise you might have seen or maybe you own one. it's missing some parts so i'll need to try to find a few original ones or have some made, but that's the fun of making 100 year old tool work like new again like maybe you will with your new (old) meat grinder.

 

[oldironfarmer]

ANDY: you are a brother from another mother i swear. i see you asking about scrap. showing your finds that you might have spent a little time and energy and maybe a got a scratch or two getting and I just smile. Then you show your 40's Craftsman Heritage toolboxes with the old GOOD quality Craftsman tools in them just as they were maybe bought 70 years ago. Brent won't be the only one wanting those that is for certain and if you wanted to clean them up and use them you might be surprised that they are probably better tools than anything made today.

Does Bob know you're our brother?

great job on the cutter and you certainly have SKILLS.

Thank you!

if you want to tell us why you bought another house instead of another hot rod you are more than welcome to, but you don't have to. or did the house come with a few hundred acres so you could put on your developer's hat to help pay for more hot rods and foundry supplies?

I was a victim of an aggressive Realtor who has made me a lot of money in the past. A nice deal which will make money, but it's just a house in town.

I only buy hot rods I can't resist and none have crossed my path.

cheers and have a great SATUR DAY and i'll do the same

just to add a little color to my post i had another local GJ member find me this old USA version of the Chinese Wonder Vise you might have seen or maybe you own one. it's missing some parts so i'll need to try to find a few original ones or have some made, but that's the fun of making 100 year old tool work like new again like maybe you will with your new (old) meat grinder.

Wish you were closer, we could make those parts.

Thanks for stopping in!

 

[oldironfarmer]

This was an SS day! Oh, Slow Shed day

But early this morning my little calves were having a meeting prior to their moms finishing breakfast. Made my day!

Went to town to pick up my sheet metal for the ceiling, and also stopped by to get some more fire brick. Always fun to bring home supplies!

A friend in the HVAC business gave me about 40 lbs of copper and brass.

And my South Bend lathe showed up today! It has been gone for several years and is coming home to take up service as a pattern maker's lathe.

A round of applause for this old friend, please!

He stayed with my good friend Bill Woodson until Bill died and I gave him a home. After I got a bigger lathe for some jobs he went to Dry Gulch, home of the Christmas Train in NE Oklahoma. He was needed to help maintain three steam locomotives at that facility. It has now been closed and he is looking for meaningful retirement work so I offered him a place of respect. He is too cool to respond, but here he is!!

I guess I need to make him a new bench, that will give me something to do...

 

[1/2 Cup]

A round of applause indeed..

I have plenty of benches out here Andy, happy for you to ship it to the Shed Downunder if space is an issue and you cant fit another bench in.

The offer is out there..

 

[1/2 Cup]

PS, I think it would be well suited to my Retro Industrial Bench.

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[Bob Heine]

Andy, it's amazing how well you train things to return. The only things to come back to me are bad pennies (I roll the good ones).

 

[jimreed2160]

"OK, WhiteFace, why did you call this meeting?"
"Farmer got a new hot rod."
"Meh."
"Farmer is casting cans into muffins."
"Meh."
"Farmer got a new SB lathe."
"Meh."
"And Farmer got a meat grinder."
"Aaaaaaahhhhhhiiiiieeeeee! We're in trouble now! Quick, everybody give him the stinkeye stare. That should hold him off."

 

[-Brent-]

Hahaha @ Jim.

 

[Farmall450]

What model is your neighbors tractor? I thought it might be a 504 or other utility IH the a few pages back but the brake pedals don't look right.

 

[Vieux]

The lathe is great. Applause!!!!

 

[oldironfarmer]

A round of applause indeed..

I have plenty of benches out here Andy, happy for you to ship it to the Shed Downunder if space is an issue and you cant fit another bench in.

The offer is out there..

Well, the five acre plot is still empty, had you gone ahead and relocated we would just let the South Bend stay in your shed. However I fear the trip down under and then back here would be too much stress for the little guy. I cannot imagine the stress of expecting life in a wonderful place only to be relocated back to the land of wind and heat.

PS, I think it would be well suited to my Retro Industrial Bench.

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That would be the most ideal bench. Maybe we can work something out.

Andy, it's amazing how well you train things to return. The only things to come back to me are bad pennies (I roll the good ones).

Your comment took me by surprise. Then I thought about the band saw, propane tank, drill press, lathe and finally my brother-in-law, all of which left only to return to greener pastures at home. That's a pretty good record, at least four out of five. I should have never lent you my Corvette.

"OK, WhiteFace, why did you call this meeting?"
"Farmer got a new hot rod."
"Meh."
"Farmer is casting cans into muffins."
"Meh."
"Farmer got a new SB lathe."
"Meh."
"And Farmer got a meat grinder."
"Aaaaaaahhhhhhiiiiieeeeee! We're in trouble now! Quick, everybody give him the stinkeye stare. That should hold him off."

I'm glad I've never put Wi-Fi in the barn. We really don't need the cows reading those words, or even asking "what's a beef cow?"

Hahaha @ Jim.

He's good, isn't he.

What model is your neighbors tractor? I thought it might be a 504 or other utility IH the a few pages back but the brake pedals don't look right.

It's a 235 Massey. The key that it's not an IH is that it needed repair.

The lathe is great. Applause!!!!

 

[oldironfarmer]

Life has interfered with foundry work

My help showed up the day before Sunday and I worked all day to help him.

First sheet up! This is going to be good!

New wall at the top of the stairs.

We put some goal posts on the scaffold and he can hang the sheets by himself.

Shop is taking shape but it is a full time job to clean clutter out from in front of the scaffolding. But I'm sorting and discarding as we go.

I don't really mind! (just ask my wife)

Thanks for the visit!!

 

[1/2 Cup]

Andy, looking fantastic...

The bench is negotiable

Regards

 

[Vieux]

As we say -"the case is moving"

A huge thank you to Andy!
Today I got the license plate number Oklahoma. This is a great addition to the collection. I'm very happy!

 

[oldironfarmer]

Andy, looking fantastic...

The bench is negotiable

Regards

Thanks!

I'm really pleased with the new ceiling. It's slow to get the lights down, holes cut for outlets, and lights back up.

As we say -"the case is moving"

A huge thank you to Andy!
Today I got the license plate number Oklahoma. This is a great addition to the collection. I'm very happy!

Glad it made it at last! Now it has a home away from home

My bull went to visit the neighbor again, and the neighbor walked him back down the road and he jumped the fence to get back in my place. Dang! When they learn how to jump fences they have to go away and meet new friends. I can't find him this morning so he may go sooner than later. More important than GJ, so stay tuned!

 

[39SixSedanMan]

Just saw your entire post and thread. Love the Farmalls. Any chance you have parts to sell from the Farmall 450? Looking for the 'Diesel' emblems.
God Bless Hoarders!
Pat

 

[jimreed2160]

Calf1: "Hey, did 'ja hear? Bull jumped the fence and rund oft. There may be a job opening!"

Calf2: "Not us, dude. We got banded."

Calf1: "You mean I gots no dangles!?!"

 

[larry_g]

My bull went to visit the neighbor again, and the neighbor walked him back down the road and he jumped the fence to get back in my place. Dang! When they learn how to jump fences they have to go away and meet new friends. I can't find him this morning so he may go sooner than later. More important than GJ, so stay tuned!

Some yearsback when father had cattle he had a Santa Gertrudis bull show up. ( http://www.ansi.okstate.edu/breeds/cattle/santagertrudis ) This was one beautiful animal. Checked with all the neighbors and put the word out but it took ~3 months to catch up with the owner. A new guy in the neighbor hood ~4 miles away across the hill. He sent a rig and they hauled it home. He was back in a few days. Dad called and the guy was pissed and said he was sending the butcher. Dad pleaded with the guy to sell it ti him but he wouldn't. He sent the butcher and killed what I assume could have a very valuable animal. Dad had some good looking calves that year.

As for the meat grinder I had an old one that I found knives and plates for, Most of the knives and plates are a standard size I found out. One of the butcher supply houses on the net had a chart with dimensions. Good luck


lg
no neat sig line

 

[oldironfarmer]

Just saw your entire post and thread. Love the Farmalls. Any chance you have parts to sell from the Farmall 450? Looking for the 'Diesel' emblems.
God Bless Hoarders!
Pat

Glad you like the Farmalls! I'm kind of partial to them, too. I can't part the 450 out. Have you tried Steel Wheel Ranch? Worth checking with.

Calf1: "Hey, did 'ja hear? Bull jumped the fence and rund oft. There may be a job opening!"

Calf2: "Not us, dude. We got banded."

Calf1: "You mean I gots no dangles!?!"

He says in a high squeaky voice

Some yearsback when father had cattle he had a Santa Gertrudis bull show up. ( http://www.ansi.okstate.edu/breeds/cattle/santagertrudis ) This was one beautiful animal. Checked with all the neighbors and put the word out but it took ~3 months to catch up with the owner. A new guy in the neighbor hood ~4 miles away across the hill. He sent a rig and they hauled it home. He was back in a few days. Dad called and the guy was pissed and said he was sending the butcher. Dad pleaded with the guy to sell it ti him but he wouldn't. He sent the butcher and killed what I assume could have a very valuable animal. Dad had some good looking calves that year.

As for the meat grinder I had an old one that I found knives and plates for, Most of the knives and plates are a standard size I found out. One of the butcher supply houses on the net had a chart with dimensions. Good luck


lg
no neat sig line

Your dad's neighbor was not much of a businessman. Someone who lets his emotions get involved with business decisions is sure to fail. With an opportunity to sell he was just asserting his so called power and demonstrated he was small enough to take revenge on an animal who had no intention to offend him, just was doing what the animal thought was the best thing to do. It sure taught a lesson to his other cattle?? The bull may have been mistreated at home. I've never had a fence jumper but my neighbor says once they start you can't break them of it. He came and got some hay this afternoon then called later to tell me he found the bull on his place and turned him back into my place so he'll be at breakfast. Reluctantly I'll pen him up and probably look for a buyer.

 

[larry_g]

Glad you like the Farmalls! I'm kind of partial to them, too. I can't part the 450 out. Have you tried Steel Wheel Ranch? Worth checking with.



He says in a high squeaky voice



Your dad's neighbor was not much of a businessman. Someone who lets his emotions get involved with business decisions is sure to fail. With an opportunity to sell he was just asserting his so called power and demonstrated he was small enough to take revenge on an animal who had no intention to offend him, just was doing what the animal thought was the best thing to do. It sure taught a lesson to his other cattle?? The bull may have been mistreated at home. I've never had a fence jumper but my neighbor says once they start you can't break them of it. He came and got some hay this afternoon then called later to tell me he found the bull on his place and turned him back into my place so he'll be at breakfast. Reluctantly I'll pen him up and probably look for a buyer.

I think you pegged the guy just right. As far as the jumpers I believe your neighbor is correct. We had one or two that were related to a deer and they had to go down the road.

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[Farmall450]

Huh, a guy looking for Farmall 450 parts that isn't named after me. Sorry Iron Farmer, I was on my phone and saw read paint. Naturally, it isn't an IH that is broken, though we all have a few of those...(broken by man/nature and neglect, that is).

Of course now you post a good picture of it

 

[jbmatth]

Andy,
Sorry to hear about your bull jumping the fence. My experience with them is the same, once they start there is no stopping them. I am curious though, our land has no cattle near it this time of year other than the ones the farmer keeps. I wonder if he would be interested in a trade of some sort. If you are interested I can get you in touch with him.
JB

 

[oldironfarmer]

Andy,
Sorry to hear about your bull jumping the fence. My experience with them is the same, once they start there is no stopping them. I am curious though, our land has no cattle near it this time of year other than the ones the farmer keeps. I wonder if he would be interested in a trade of some sort. If you are interested I can get you in touch with him.
JB

It's worth a try, thanks!

 

[oldironfarmer]

Huh, a guy looking for Farmall 450 parts that isn't named after me. Sorry Iron Farmer, I was on my phone and saw read paint. Naturally, it isn't an IH that is broken, though we all have a few of those...(broken by man/nature and neglect, that is).

Of course now you post a good picture of it

Regrettably I'm a disadvantaged person who only has one 450, so I have no extra parts, except what a 400 would fit. And my junk 400 is factory LP.

If you keep water and oil (that includes the oil bath air cleaner) in the old Farmalls, and keep the belt snug and occasional ignition parts and keep running them they are just about bullet proof. Sitting and waiting deteriorates anything. 1,550 rpm with giant rod journals and mains to match.

 

[drivesitfar]

Andy: you must have scared your bull the last time you gave him THAT LOOK. or he's looking for some STRANGE STUFF now that his heard is all busy milking your new calves.

just curious how old a bull has to be before he can start jumping on your cows and making more calves? was there any thinking of keeping any of your boys in tack to replace your bull or did that ship sail before your bull started jumping the fence?

your shop is coming along nicely and i bet with all that white metal ceiling material and those lights it will be a lot brighter in there.

was it very expensive to ship a few items to Vieux in Russia (I think that's where he lives) and which shipping company did you use? nice gesture and his shop is really getting colorful with all the flags, license plates and models he's making.

when you melt some of the bigger items to make muffins or material for your foundry are you planning on using a bigger pot and molds or just using the same process and cut up the big stuff into small pieces?

have a great day and best of luck with the bull deal and finding a new one that you can live with that likes your place and his job.

 

[Farmall450]

Regrettably I'm a disadvantaged person who only has one 450, so I have no extra parts, except what a 400 would fit. And my junk 400 is factory LP.

If you keep water and oil (that includes the oil bath air cleaner) in the old Farmalls, and keep the belt snug and occasional ignition parts and keep running them they are just about bullet proof. Sitting and waiting deteriorates anything. 1,550 rpm with giant rod journals and mains to match.

I completely agree. If stored somewhere it doesn't get water in the most you'll need is a carb kit and points to get them going!