Stolen tools thread got me thinking...

[vettex2]

This! Most of the speed limit laws were made years ago, when cars couldn't accelerate, handle and brake like they do now. My wife's 11 year old Nissan Altima V6 4 door sedan with traction control and airbags could outrun a 1970 Corvette 427. The speed limits are basically the same...why?

Sorry but BS.

 

[eastbaysubaru]

The speed limit shouldn't be lowered to make people living on the street happy - they should set a 'safe', realistic speed limit to begin with.

In California, for example, an engineering and traffic survey is required. Someone actually goes out and records the speed of the motorists over a day or two. They take into account special conditions - school zone, sharp curve up ahead, the number of accidents, etc. But the speed limit is usually set at the 85th percentile (85% of traffic is going at or below that speed) unless they can justify a lower number - they just don't pull one out of the air

This, all day long. If the majority of traffic is traveling above the posted speed limit then the speed limit absolutely needs to be raised. That's why they conduct these types of surveys...thankfully!

Most of the speed limit laws were made years ago, when cars couldn't accelerate, handle and brake like they do now.:

While your comparison might not be quite spot on (you should've left off the 427 bit ), the truth is still there.

-Brian

 

[LS6 Tommy]

Speeding tickets should automatically be issued by YOUR cars computer.

You're funny!

Tommy

 

[The Tool Tyrant]

Get a nice 4'X8' sign painted that states "DRIVE LIKE YOUR KIDS LIVE HERE" and mount it out by the road. I see these signs (although much smaller) posted in folks front yards and...I know it make me check my speed and slow down...What do you have to lose? Guilt them into slowing down.

Oh, and I suggest mounting it on two 8X8 posts, so when the a-hole that thinks it funny to run the sign down, will get a nice amount of body damage for his stupidity.

 

[Parrothead]

Sorry but BS.

http://www.zeroto60times.com/

I don't know how factual it is, but it's where I got the information. Unfortunately I don't own a 427 Corvette to test against, so if someone wants to lend me theirs...

 

[Parrothead]

While your comparison might not be quite spot on (you should've left off the 427 bit ), the truth is still there.

-Brian

Not sure how accurate they are but it's what I referenced

http://www.zeroto60times.com/

1970 Chevy Corvette 427 - 0-60 6.0 1/4 mile 14.1

2003 Altima 3.5 SE - 0-60 5.8 1/4 mile 14.4

 

[XS29L9B]

I feel sad about the donkey.

Why? I bet it was an ***...

 

[LS6 Tommy]

My wife's 11 year old Nissan Altima V6 4 door sedan with traction control and airbags could outrun a 1970 Corvette 427.

Only because there is no such thing as a 1970 427 Corvette...

Tommy

 

[Parrothead]

Only because there is no such thing as a 1970 427 Corvette...

Tommy

I'll take your word for it as I'm not knowledgeable in all things Corvette, but 0-60 listed one and Car and Driver referenced it too. Again, since I don't really know that's all I can do.

http://www.caranddriver.com/reviews/1970-chevrolet-corvette-coupe-road-test-review

 

[vettex2]

Only because there is no such thing as a 1970 427 Corvette...
Tommy

Nope , just 4473 "454" big blocks.
It's amazing how bench racers think they know EVERYTHING about cars.
He's just a misinformed bench racer/article reader

BTW, I have owned multiple vettes and do own 2 currently.

 

[Parrothead]

Nope , just 4473 "454" big blocks.
It's amazing how bench racers think they know EVERYTHING about cars.
He's just a misinformed bench racer/article reader

BTW, I have owned multiple vettes and do own 2 currently.

Me thinks you missed the point. Go figure.

The point was a 10 year old family sedan is at the very least competitive with one of the best high performance cars of the late 60's early 70's. The speed limits are the same.

*I'm far from a bench racer as that would require me caring, this was sourcing your references, something I learned how to do in grade school. I care even less about Corvettes or racing. Congrats on owning two of them though.

 

[larry_g]

My solution was to call the 911 at the sound of every crash that occurred near my house. We got about 4 good ones a year for a long time. They finally improved the road and did patrols. Probably cost a lot of drunks a lot of hassle but things got better.

lg
no neat sig line

 

[vettex2]

Me thinks you missed the point. Go figure.

The point was a 10 year old family sedan is at the very least competitive with one of the best high performance cars of the late 60's early 70's. The speed limits are the same.

*I'm far from a bench racer as that would require me caring, this was sourcing your references, something I learned how to do in grade school. I care even less about Corvettes or racing. Congrats on owning two of them though.

you should be confused , Go figure. ....yes , you fit the mold, scouring articles for facts and failing

 

[Parrothead]

you should be confused , Go figure. ....yes , you fit the mold, scouring articles for facts and failing

So here's a question, how would you go about demonstrating that a common family sedan is comparable to a performance machine of yesteryear? I thought making a reference point would be the best way vs being an internet blowhard and making stuff up with random statements with no basis in anything. I've already admitted I know jack squat about Corvettes, and more importantly old Corvettes. Why would I?

*Googling "0-60 times" and "1970 Corvette 427" took all of 30 seconds each.

 

[zak77]

I gotta laugh at all the mom's speeding like hell to pickup little johnny or suzie in the minivan/suv from school but they're the first to put up signs or yell at people speeding by their houses. And they are the first ones to tailgate if you're not hauling while they're heading to the school. I experience it everyday.

My GF lived in a farm community in NY with normal posted speed limits of 35mph on the rural roads. Of course she'd drive 50+ on them and when called out on it, it wasnt a big deal. But what if something/someone happened into the road? Of course she'd piss and moan about trucks going a little too fast by her house. If you're going to complain about speeders, just dont be a hypocrite.

 

[Keel]

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And while it has only been animals (and the one kid) to this point, what would you think about the situation if it was a kid? I have 3 little girls running around here. And while I like to think that with all of the property to cruise around on they won't go out into the street, sometimes kids do kids things. I guess you would just blame me instead of the guy driving like he is on the highway?





It is a residential area. It is not rural.

Welp, here is an idea, keep an eye on the little girls, or your pets ,etc I'm sorry but a vehicle going 35mph will kill if you run in front of it, just as much as one going 50..
Your pet going under the tires at 35mph or 50 mph it's still thump ----thump..

Funny it's the car drivers fault if it's a pet, but if it's a deer it's the stupid $%^&^%$ animal..
You own the pets, animals, you need to keep them off the road.. if one gets out, and gets clipped that's on you.. yes I understand you can't always control them getting out, but when they do, it's on you..

Worst part is most that complain, on what is happening in their roads, do the same **** once outside their 'hood..

 

[Keel]

Me thinks you missed the point. Go figure.

The point was a 10 year old family sedan is at the very least competitive with one of the best high performance cars of the late 60's early 70's. The speed limits are the same.

*I'm far from a bench racer as that would require me caring, this was sourcing your references, something I learned how to do in grade school. I care even less about Corvettes or racing. Congrats on owning two of them though.

Sorry but a 11 y/o Nissan that runs high 16 sec 1/4 isn't the same as a 11 sec. vet.
And yes a 454 70 vette is 11 sec on todays tires..

but no matter speed limits are not set by the fleet average braking spec's. it's by the drivers reaction time.. and it for the most part, for most people/drivers still *****.. just as bad as it did in the 50-60-70-80-90- now..

I laugh at threads like this.. why.. because it tis fact that when the police do, honor a persons or groups request for fixing a speeding problem, you know whom they catch, those with addresses on that street.. or right off of that street..
Again, most that complain are guilty of the same thing once outside "thar" neighbor hood.. the not in my backyard theme comes to mind..

 

[maxpower_hd]

Be careful what you wish for here when you complain to the town or county. We have a road in our area the neighbors were defining as "thickly setteled" and they were also complaining that the speed limit was too high at 35 mph. Come to find out that stretch of road was state owned. So the town petitioned the state to do an evaluation which is based on many factors, one of them being houses and driveways per mile. Well the state wound up RAISING the limit to 45 mph, not lowering it because of the formulas they use.

I understand the EXCESSIVE speeding is unwanted and dangerous but some speeding 5-10 mph over the limit is very common and sometimes even expected. I am not in LE myself buy I have several friends who are. We have one road in town that is a 35 mph limit and I was told they don't even as much as bat an eye until they see 45 on the radar.

 

[Crazyjake8493]

^Good way to get locked up...

Ive always wanted to install a pipe on my vehicles big enough to drop a #2 rock through when someone tailgates me... Keep a small bucket in the back seat, drop the rock out, and it comes out under the back of my vehicle... Again... I would end up locked up...

When I had a truck with a trailer brake controller, and someone would tailgate me, I'd let them get right behind me then flick the brake controller and hit the gas at the same time. Sometimes it would confuse them enough they'd back off. Nothing illegal about using your brake light, and I wasn't "brake checking" because I was speeding up. Didn't always work though.

 

[Backyard Imports]

Welp, here is an idea, keep an eye on the little girls, or your pets ,etc I'm sorry but a vehicle going 35mph will kill if you run in front of it, just as much as one going 50..
Your pet going under the tires at 35mph or 50 mph it's still thump ----thump..

First, I do keep an eye on my kids. And the yard where they typically play is fenced in addition to the entire property being fenced and cross fenced. I am trying to be a little proactive so that nothing devastating ever does happen. I also didn't say that any of my animals have been hit. Again, I am just trying to be proactive and slow people down to a reasonable speed for the area. The speeds that I am talking about are considered reckless driving and would end up in criminal court and not just with a monetary fine.

Lastly, do you really think that speed limits are based off of the damage/carnage that is possible if something/someone is struck? Is that why schools have speed limits of only 20mph? I am pretty sure that even a 20mph strike would easily kill a toddler. I believe it has more to do with being able to react to an issue and the time it would take to stop or slow down to avoid the obstacle.

You can make all the assumptions that you want about what people who complain do outside of their own "hood" but that is all they are, assumptions. I haven't had a ticket in 20+ years and I am only 40. And it's not just because I haven't been caught. When I was a teenager I drove like an idiot and almost caused some serious damage. I could have easily ended up in jail. I, also, did hit a deer, while on a motorcycle, when I was speeding on a back country road. I didn't have a helmet on and was lucky to only end up with a concussion and some road rash. It wasn't the deers fault, it was his domain. It was mine for riding so fast that I couldn't slow down in time to miss him. So I took my speeding habits to the racetrack and quit endangering the general public.

Forgive me for trying to come up with a way to protect my kids, and the neighborhood, from any more incidents. Do you actually have any constructive ideas about the issue?

 

[vettex2]

So here's a question, how would you go about demonstrating that a common family sedan is comparable to a performance machine of yesteryear? I thought making a reference point would be the best way vs being an internet blowhard and making stuff up with random statements with no basis in anything. I've already admitted I know jack squat about Corvettes, and more importantly old Corvettes. Why would I?

*Googling "0-60 times" and "1970 Corvette 427" took all of 30 seconds each.

lame, again they didn't make then in 1970

 

[shortykorte]

In my next of the woods, a street fitting this description would be 45 mph at a minimum. If it was a state highway, good chance it's 55.

Animals have to be leashed or behind a fence.

Mailbox, after first or second time, 4" steel pipe if possible. If not I learn to lay bricks and rebuild the 16"x16" brick column each time an idiot hits it.

 

[Parrothead]

Sorry but a 11 y/o Nissan that runs high 16 sec 1/4 isn't the same as a 11 sec. vet.
And yes a 454 70 vette is 11 sec on todays tires..

Any documentation of said times? Drag strip printouts? Anything?

An Altima with the 3.5 V6 VQ running that slow is laughable. You are aware that's the same engine they put in the 350z, right?

And you kinda made my point..."on today's tires". Um, the speed limits were made years ago using the tires, brakes and technology of the 70's.

I don't question the fact an old Corvette with new brakes, tires, etc. would preform better now.

 

[Parrothead]

So here's a question, how would you go about demonstrating that a common family sedan is comparable to a performance machine of yesteryear? I thought making a reference point would be the best way vs being an internet blowhard and making stuff up with random statements with no basis in anything. I've already admitted I know jack squat about Corvettes, and more importantly old Corvettes. Why would I?

*Googling "0-60 times" and "1970 Corvette 427" took all of 30 seconds each.

lame, again they didn't make then in 1970

Let's review...

First - I Googled 0-60 times, and when I got there I picked out the Chevy Corvette, mostly because they're a commonly known performance car. They listed a 1970 Corvette 427 as one of the choices, so I went with it and posted it vs. the Altima V6.

Secondly - I was informed that said car doesn't exist...okay I don't know (or care) about Corvettes. But, in the interest of fact checking, I googled the 1970 427 Corvette, and low and behold, references to it were cited.

Is it possible they were wrong? YES!!! Hello?!? Is this thing on?

Third - you never did answer the question.

 

[Dr Stan]

Buy a surplus Crown Vic or Caprice or whatever your local law enforcement uses and park it at the end of your driveway.

This is done in TX, but as soon as it becomes known it's fake, the vandals take over.

 

[maxpower_hd]

And since this thread was about non-action by local PD, they don't respond to credit card fraud either. They simply take a statement and print it for you. Just FYI.

 

[Dr Stan]

Mailbox, after first or second time, 4" steel pipe if possible. If not I learn to lay bricks and rebuild the 16"x16" brick column each time an idiot hits it.

I fully understand the sentiment, but be careful as this can be viewed as a "public nuisance" and make you liable, depending upon the state in which one lives.

When I lived in Starkville ,MS we had a very similar problem only it was on a residential street with a 25 MPH speed limit. It took a lot of hell raising and multiple instances of packing the council meetings, but we finally were able to close one end of the street. So see if you can get several neighbors to agree its a problem and organize.

I do not know just how this happened but having a couple of pallets of concrete blocks placed on the street and across each other tends to help slow down traffic.

 

[PugetDude]

First, I do keep an eye on my kids. And the yard where they typically play is fenced in addition to the entire property being fenced and cross fenced. I am trying to be a little proactive so that nothing devastating ever does happen. I also didn't say that any of my animals have been hit. Again, I am just trying to be proactive and slow people down to a reasonable speed for the area. The speeds that I am talking about are considered reckless driving and would end up in criminal court and not just with a monetary fine.

Lastly, do you really think that speed limits are based off of the damage/carnage that is possible if something/someone is struck? Is that why schools have speed limits of only 20mph? I am pretty sure that even a 20mph strike would easily kill a toddler. I believe it has more to do with being able to react to an issue and the time it would take to stop or slow down to avoid the obstacle.

You can make all the assumptions that you want about what people who complain do outside of their own "hood" but that is all they are, assumptions. I haven't had a ticket in 20+ years and I am only 40. And it's not just because I haven't been caught. When I was a teenager I drove like an idiot and almost caused some serious damage. I could have easily ended up in jail. I, also, did hit a deer, while on a motorcycle, when I was speeding on a back country road. I didn't have a helmet on and was lucky to only end up with a concussion and some road rash. It wasn't the deers fault, it was his domain. It was mine for riding so fast that I couldn't slow down in time to miss him. So I took my speeding habits to the racetrack and quit endangering the general public.

Forgive me for trying to come up with a way to protect my kids, and the neighborhood, from any more incidents. Do you actually have any constructive ideas about the issue?

Backyard, be glad this crazy b*tch doesn't live in your neighborhood...

http://www.azfamily.com/story/35010139/peoria-neighborhood-tries-to-deal-with-reckless-driver

 

[Backyard Imports]

That is pretty crazy. I also think that the cops could do something about it if they really wanted to. They can't cite her for traffic violations but once it becomes criminal that certainly can. Driving on a sidewalk where people walk and kids play easily becomes reckless endangerment. They just need some people to stand there when she comes through. Just the cost and inconvenience of having to deal with the charge might be enough to keep her from doing it anymore. And the HOA could fine the hell out of the homeowner (I read that she was a renter) which would make him boot her out.

Bi*ch is right!

 

[slowzuki]

We live on a 50 mph road through woods and farmland, low population. Most people travel faster. New people whine and complain trying to get the limit dropped. They painted over most of the passing lanes a few years ago, now only 1 in the first 10 miles heading to town. Now you have to pass on a solid and risk a ticket almost every day in the winter stuck behind people going 25 mph.