The VISES of Garage Journal
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I'd like to see you chisel your way out of that one.
Thank you, thank you....I'll be here all week. Don't forget to tip your wait staff...
I thought an advanced edit would allow you to remove pics?
oldldh
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KMScott
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OOPS!!!
Senior moment, too...
Oldie, Vises is younger then your kids. you my friend are our Senior authority figure.
va.grouseman
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7'' vise jaws is not such a Little Stown.---Sorry, couldn't resist.
I'd like to see you chisel your way out of that one.
Thank you, thank you....I'll be here all week. Don't forget to tip your wait staff...
I thought an advanced edit would allow you to remove pics?
He is a hand model for Popular Mechanics.
zoomieport
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This is one you see everywhere but look close this one happens to be the largest they made at 7" jaws. Over 100 pounds.
THAT is a PEACH!
disston
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I have one of those Prentiss Bull Dogs. Mines not on a swivel tho.
Greetings all, new member here, just thought I'd show off my new acquisition, Rock Island 574, dated 5/43. It had been sitting outdoors for the past 40 years and someone had been using it without one of the jaw inserts. So far, it looks like I'm going to have to clean up that mangled jaw (machine shop maybe?), get a new set of inserts, straighten or replace the bent swivel clamp handle, and clean it up somehow without destroying the Birtman tag. After a good painting and lube the old girls going to live out her days on a nice comfortable home workbench.
My dad's Yost 105. He's had it for almost 40 years, before that it belonged to a company he worked for starting in the 60's. He's guessing the owner bought it in the late 40's when he started the company. This vise sees hard use regularly at our towing company garage.
My dad's Yost 105. He's had it for almost 40 years, before that it belonged to a company he worked for starting in the 60's. He's guessing the owner bought it in the late 40's when he started the company. This vise sees hard use regularly at our towing company garage.
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disston
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Picked up a Chas Parker No 593 today.
It is about the same size as my Prentiss Bull Dog. Bull Dog has 3.25 jaws, No 593 has 3.0 inch jaws. But the Parker seems heavier. Sorry I can't weight the Prentiss because it's bolted down. I did weight the Parker but I don't think my scale is working right so I'm not going to report what it weighed. Just seems a bit stouter built.
All the parts are present. No cracks or big chips. Couple of shallow cuts from a hack saw on the top.
Jaws seem in great shape. The locating pins on the dynamic jaws are inserted about an eight of an inch too deep. May leave them or may relocate. Not sure.
I'm calling really good original condition. Seems like this is original gold paint on the lettering.
Paid $50
I found this great deal at fatfillup's place in Finksburg Maryland. He buys lots of tools at auctions and such and sells them at great prices. Much lower than wePay most times. I'm going to post some photos of his place and some of the other things I got on another thread but wanted to say here that if you are anywhere near at anytime just West of Baltimore, Md look him up. Write fatfillup a PM for contact info.
It is about the same size as my Prentiss Bull Dog. Bull Dog has 3.25 jaws, No 593 has 3.0 inch jaws. But the Parker seems heavier. Sorry I can't weight the Prentiss because it's bolted down. I did weight the Parker but I don't think my scale is working right so I'm not going to report what it weighed. Just seems a bit stouter built.
All the parts are present. No cracks or big chips. Couple of shallow cuts from a hack saw on the top.
Jaws seem in great shape. The locating pins on the dynamic jaws are inserted about an eight of an inch too deep. May leave them or may relocate. Not sure.
I'm calling really good original condition. Seems like this is original gold paint on the lettering.
Paid $50
I found this great deal at fatfillup's place in Finksburg Maryland. He buys lots of tools at auctions and such and sells them at great prices. Much lower than wePay most times. I'm going to post some photos of his place and some of the other things I got on another thread but wanted to say here that if you are anywhere near at anytime just West of Baltimore, Md look him up. Write fatfillup a PM for contact info.
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vintage nut
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Chinesium, and about the worst of the chinesium at that. I'd recommend avoiding it
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drivesitfar
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Sparkle: anvil vise and maybe a better one to put on a shelf than use cause not a very good vise or anvil.
N6: welcome to the forum and nice looking vises. are you planning on trying to make or buy a jaw for the rock island? dad's yost is a beast and sounds like it's the best vise in the company for all purpose.
N6: welcome to the forum and nice looking vises. are you planning on trying to make or buy a jaw for the rock island? dad's yost is a beast and sounds like it's the best vise in the company for all purpose.
nelstomlinson
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``Chinesium, and about the worst of the chinesium at that. I'd recommend avoiding it''
Probably. It cost me $5 worth of scrap iron, so I may get my money's worth anyway. It will have to do until it breaks, or until something better comes along.
Probably. It cost me $5 worth of scrap iron, so I may get my money's worth anyway. It will have to do until it breaks, or until something better comes along.
vintage nut
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I've used them at a previous job. They work and are definitely better than no vise.
I just particularly hate the things because the one I was stuck using wouldn't open properly. Turn the handle a few times without anything moving, then it would jump open an inch or so.
Very infuriating being used to nice vises.
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fatfillup
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Unfortunately, I was on the road while Disston was here so I didn't get a chance to meet him personally though we did speak on the phone. My wife said he was a very nice guy and he looked in most every drawer. Was here about three hours. Thanks for the kind words and hope to meet you soon.
It's definitely better than not having a vise and for $5 you can't go wrong. A lot of us keep a beater vise for those jobs we don't want to hurt a "good" vise, so you may wind up keeping it even if you get something better.
vintage nut
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Well it's about that time of year... Second bi-annual "cross border American vise retrieval trip" is tomorrow. Stepping it up this year and bringing a truck. Let's hope the ferry or my island don't sink.
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I saw this one local to me. A gentleman was working on a large Emmert machinist vise. The writing on the side is "7 IN NO 51". 7" jaws and opens 12" with full slide and screw engagement. The Acme thread is 1-3/8" in diameter. Weighs about 220 pounds. The thing has some battle scars but is still a solid vise. He was working on a Reed 4C at the same time and it kind of made the 4C look a little more normal. Any one know when these were made?
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FMC1959
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That is a hell of a vise, never seen a Tiger (Emmet) that large. What is the model number, 51?
FMC1959
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Looks like the one on the top left corner of this ad
http://www.garagejournal.com/forum/showpost.php?p=2308587&postcount=1
sparklemotion
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Yep, that looks like it. I wish the pictures in the craiglist ad did a better job of showing whether this one also has an integrated drill chuck, but I'd be surprised if it didn't have one originally (otherwise the weird slide mechanism makes no sense that I can see).
Here's another GJ'er with the same question.
Overall, it seems kind of ridiculous, even in it's original form -- it could be fun to have a "display" one of these, but not at the asking price (and Mr. Motion says I'm not allowed to have a vise museum).
mikedr
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Hey, my neighbor guys had this old Fulton 18 in his basement. it is in pretty rough shape. Can broken pieces be welded?
zoomieport
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These are outstanding!! Wow!! I need some of those too! Nice work!
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zoomieport
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Hello All!
I am looking for some help, if you have time...
I recently bought an "OEM" vise base, but I can't figure out what fits it best.
I was wondered if you guys, when you get a minute, could steer me in the right direction so I can find a great match (and if it's for sale, let me know".
I am including pictures (don't laugh more that you have to...) LOL!
That stand is built for a vise with a 45 degree chamfered front, NOT like a cornered vise.
The chamfer is 45 degrees and is 1" long and 4"wide...
Please let me know if you need and other measurements...
Thank you for your time, I appreciate it very much!
Take care all!
Mike Dillon
I am looking for some help, if you have time...
I recently bought an "OEM" vise base, but I can't figure out what fits it best.
I was wondered if you guys, when you get a minute, could steer me in the right direction so I can find a great match (and if it's for sale, let me know".
I am including pictures (don't laugh more that you have to...) LOL!
That stand is built for a vise with a 45 degree chamfered front, NOT like a cornered vise.
The chamfer is 45 degrees and is 1" long and 4"wide...
Please let me know if you need and other measurements...
Thank you for your time, I appreciate it very much!
Take care all!
Mike Dillon
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joe.striper
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Zoomie, glad I could help out. They look GREAT together. A match made in Heaven
drivesitfar
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Zoomie: it certainly looks like it should be a Parker vise sitting on that stand and i don't think i have a Parker left to take measurements off of cause if i do find them i usually just sell them or trade them for something else.
also cause Parker did make vise stands and not many other companies did as far as i remember. i think Joe has a Parker stand that looks more like a machine gun turret that had the Parker name cast into it.
nice little group of vises too.
MikeDR: yes old cast iron can be welded or brazed and this thread has had a lot of posts lately about that exact method. also that FULTON vise is probably close to 100 years old so maybe worth saving if the break isn't too bad or one of us might need some parts off it to fix one of ours if you can get it and don't want to repair it. here's the link for the Vise Repair 101 thread:
http://www.garagejournal.com/forum/forumdisplay.php?f=38
best of luck and also welcome to the forum
Vintage: make sure you've got your shocks pumped up and i've got some extra air in case you tires get a bit low with some of the imported steel you want to pick up.
have a safe trip
also cause Parker did make vise stands and not many other companies did as far as i remember. i think Joe has a Parker stand that looks more like a machine gun turret that had the Parker name cast into it.
nice little group of vises too.
MikeDR: yes old cast iron can be welded or brazed and this thread has had a lot of posts lately about that exact method. also that FULTON vise is probably close to 100 years old so maybe worth saving if the break isn't too bad or one of us might need some parts off it to fix one of ours if you can get it and don't want to repair it. here's the link for the Vise Repair 101 thread:
http://www.garagejournal.com/forum/forumdisplay.php?f=38
best of luck and also welcome to the forum
Vintage: make sure you've got your shocks pumped up and i've got some extra air in case you tires get a bit low with some of the imported steel you want to pick up.
have a safe trip
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i know of a Chas Parker vise 994, working and in good condition for $100. is it a good deal, sorry i new to the vise world.
Matt
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Outlawmws
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I'm not thinking Parker at all. I don't think Parker made the side tabs that rounded.
topop101
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I have Blue Bomber to thank for this one!
No. 4 Stephens vise pat. date July 19, 1870. 2-3/4" jaws. The return spring has issues but that's the only flaw. Just did some light cleaning to remove old paint drippings and it's now sitting next to his lil brother No 1
No. 4 Stephens vise pat. date July 19, 1870. 2-3/4" jaws. The return spring has issues but that's the only flaw. Just did some light cleaning to remove old paint drippings and it's now sitting next to his lil brother No 1Attachments
zoomieport
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I'm not thinking Parker at all. I don't think Parker made the side tabs that rounded.
Please tell me more OUTLAW. I really am not sure what it is!
I would really like to find the "correct" vise for the stand. regardless of the maker. I just think it would be coo!
Take Care Bro!
Mike
BlueBomber
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I have Blue Bomber to thank for this one!
Well, okay--I can see why I missed the patent date on that puppy. I'm glad you found it and that it's in your collection now.
Outlawmws
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Sorry Mike I don't have a lot more. The side tabs on Parkers generally if not always, have a little of the shape of the back side of your stand.
I can't think of any vise that needed the chamfer 4" wide... on the other hand, it may have just been whim on the pattern makers part. It would not have been a close fit IMO.
The 1" depth of the chamfer is not really relevant to the vise; its just the thickness they decided was enough to mount the vise.
The 7-1/2" "point to point" throws me - the vise would be small; maybe on the order of 3" jaws?
I can't think of any vise that needed the chamfer 4" wide... on the other hand, it may have just been whim on the pattern makers part. It would not have been a close fit IMO.
The 1" depth of the chamfer is not really relevant to the vise; its just the thickness they decided was enough to mount the vise.
The 7-1/2" "point to point" throws me - the vise would be small; maybe on the order of 3" jaws?
Zoomie,
Two Prentiss models could possibly fit your stand
1. Prentiss "Wood-workers" (a/k/a Coachmaker's vise) No. 12, 3 1/4" wide jaws; chamfer cut at the rear of the stand's top must be at least 3 1/2" wide . The static jaw swivels and the vise weighs 30 lbs. Front to back 7"+/- , side to side 7 1/4" with side holes approximately 4 3/4" on center There is an illustration of the vise in the 1901 T.B. Rayl Catalog. I cannot tell if the holes line up from your drawing below. The No 12's midline "waist" is only 3" wide compared to the 4" shown on your drawing.
2. Prentiss Rapid Transit (a/k/a Quick Release) machinist vise No. 72, 4 1/4" wide jaws. 54 lbs. As I recall it did not need a rear chamfer.. Front to back 7" , side to side 8" +/- with side holes 6" +/- on center. Waist 3 1/2"
Two Prentiss models could possibly fit your stand
1. Prentiss "Wood-workers" (a/k/a Coachmaker's vise) No. 12, 3 1/4" wide jaws; chamfer cut at the rear of the stand's top must be at least 3 1/2" wide . The static jaw swivels and the vise weighs 30 lbs. Front to back 7"+/- , side to side 7 1/4" with side holes approximately 4 3/4" on center There is an illustration of the vise in the 1901 T.B. Rayl Catalog. I cannot tell if the holes line up from your drawing below. The No 12's midline "waist" is only 3" wide compared to the 4" shown on your drawing.
2. Prentiss Rapid Transit (a/k/a Quick Release) machinist vise No. 72, 4 1/4" wide jaws. 54 lbs. As I recall it did not need a rear chamfer.. Front to back 7" , side to side 8" +/- with side holes 6" +/- on center. Waist 3 1/2"
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CrotalusAtrox
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I am thinking old Athol 614 or 614.5.......A 614 Measures real close to that pattern the vise base is a tad smaller but that may be by design.
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