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I have a Noco GB40, a few other chinese set.
But the best one I like is the Schmaucher SL1.
It has a safer LiFePo4 chemistry and a slightly higher output voltage 13.3V vs the regular 12.6V LiCo battery.
 
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But there are so many people here suggest a Noco one.

I have many of the lithium jump starter. Now I'm back to using the JNC770. I like the fact that I can replace the battery rather cheap. Can't really do that with the lithium packs without blotching it up. I have a NOCO GB30 that worked okay at first but now struggles to jump start anything larger than 2.5L unless the car just happens to not crank due to lights being left on. If the battery is dead due to age or severe voltage drop, the NOCO is useless. I like my Schumacher SL1 jumper more. It uses lithium iron phosphate cells which I personally favor over other lithium chemistry.
 
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So you think higher output voltage is a big advantage when choosing?

I have a Noco GB40, a few other chinese set.
But the best one I like is the Schmaucher SL1.
It has a safer LiFePo4 chemistry and a slightly higher output voltage 13.3V vs the regular 12.6V LiCo battery.
 

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But there are so many people here suggest a Noco one.

NOCO wins in terms of quality. They're well built and the clamps are heavier duty than majority of the units out there. Where it lacks is actual stated power. If you have to go with NOCO, get the largest one you can afford.
 
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No, I have not gotten final choice. What do you mean it lacks actual stated power.

NOCO wins in terms of quality. They're well built and the clamps are heavier duty than majority of the units out there. Where it lacks is actual stated power. If you have to go with NOCO, get the largest one you can afford.
 

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In the world of the lithium-based power packs, The Noco GB20 is the only one I've seen with smaller clamps that would actually be able to reach the terminals on a motorcycle battery.
https://no.co/gb20

It's meant for powersports, so it's smaller than many others, but it's rated for engines up to 4.0 liter.


As others have mentioned, Antigravity has a huge problem with shoddy knockoffs being sold on Amazon. Maybe that's some sort of warped compliment... in any case, if you're buying one of these, buy it directly from the manufacturer. If you find one on Amazon for $40 less, it's a fake.
 

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NOCO wins in terms of quality. They're well built and the clamps are heavier duty than majority of the units out there. Where it lacks is actual stated power. If you have to go with NOCO, get the largest one you can afford.

That is why I chose the gb150... I wanted to make sure it will always start something when I needed it. Never used it yet... But it does look nice.
 

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No, I have not gotten final choice. What do you mean it lacks actual stated power.


What they advertise is not what you're going to get. Take the GB40 as an example. Written all over the box is 1000A. Look at the size of the cable.. it's not going to support that much current without cooking something. No problem though because if you ever cracked opened the case, you'll see a tiny battery that is physically incapable of delivering that much current anyways. That's why you buy the biggest NOCO you can afford to give yourself some headroom. I still have my NOCO because it's dummy-proof and the casing is study so it's the unit I lend out to family/friends.

I keep the Schumacher SL1 in my own car (big fan of LiFePO4 chemistry), but sometimes I have to use the JNC770 when all others fail.
 
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Terrible! A jump starter which is less than $40 will be fake?

In the world of the lithium-based power packs, The Noco GB20 is the only one I've seen with smaller clamps that would actually be able to reach the terminals on a motorcycle battery.
https://no.co/gb20

It's meant for powersports, so it's smaller than many others, but it's rated for engines up to 4.0 liter.


As others have mentioned, Antigravity has a huge problem with shoddy knockoffs being sold on Amazon. Maybe that's some sort of warped compliment... in any case, if you're buying one of these, buy it directly from the manufacturer. If you find one on Amazon for $40 less, it's a fake.
 

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So you think higher output voltage is a big advantage when choosing?

Higher voltage normally equals to lower current. Power = VI.
For the same power required to turn the starter motor, generally higher voltage is an advantage.

The Bestek lithium-ion jump starter outputs 16V, compared to others at 12.6V
I believe they added another cell.
 

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In the world of the lithium-based power packs, The Noco GB20 is the only one I've seen with smaller clamps that would actually be able to reach the terminals on a motorcycle battery.

I actually found a cable attachment that I can put on my battery and leave.

https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B01M9AOVUS/ref=oh_aui_detailpage_o00_s00?ie=UTF8&psc=1

The other part with the end for a battery tender is not included. I'm looking for one of those so I only have one "dongle" on my bike.
 

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But the price and weight will be higher with higher voltage, right?

Higher voltage normally equals to lower current. Power = VI.
For the same power required to turn the starter motor, generally higher voltage is an advantage.

The Bestek lithium-ion jump starter outputs 16V, compared to others at 12.6V
I believe they added another cell.
 

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But the price and weight will be higher with higher voltage, right?

You need more cells stacked in series if you want higher voltage.
Weight will of cuz be slightly higher and slightly bulkier.

Pricing may not be necessary higher depending on how they are sold and distributed.

My Noco GB40 cost me about S$200 shipped from ebay.
Schumacher SL1 about S$100 shipped from Amazon.
 
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OK, thanks a lot. $200 will be out of my budget. So a jump starter less than $100 will be *****?

You need more cells stacked in series if you want higher voltage.
Weight will of cuz be slightly higher and slightly bulkier.

Pricing may not be necessary higher depending on how they are sold and distributed.

My Noco GB40 cost me about S$200 shipped from ebay.
Schumacher SL1 about S$100 shipped from Amazon.
 

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JNC 660 or the SL1.

Tesla's 2170 is going to change all this over the next 2 years. Just a bit bigger than the 18650 in most of our tool battery packs, but almost 2x the juice. Can't wait to see what jump packs will be!
 
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SL1 Red Fuel Lithium Iron Jump Starter?

JNC 660 or the SL1.

Tesla's 2170 is going to change all this over the next 2 years. Just a bit bigger than the 18650 in most of our tool battery packs, but almost 2x the juice. Can't wait to see what jump packs will be!
 

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About 50 people on this forum bought the Sauoki for about $40 shipped during an Amazon daily deal a few months back, most seem happy with them. I've yet to start a car with mine, but have used it a couple times to recharge phones and tablets.

We like how handy it is to recharge that I bought 3 more smaller power banks just for USB, one for a buck, one for two bucks, and a fancy $8 Blitzwolf that came with a battery installed. All seem to work fine, the cheap ones got used 18650 cells from recycled laptop packs, and are a bit cheesy vs the Blitzwolf and Sauoki.

No matter what you get, try it out before the warranty ends as QC doesn't seem to catch all the bad cells, and even good names have bad cells from time to time.

I wouldn't spend a lot of money, as they will certainly get better and cheaper.
 
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Oh, I do not think they will get cheaper if they get better.

About 50 people on this forum bought the Sauoki for about $40 shipped during an Amazon daily deal a few months back, most seem happy with them. I've yet to start a car with mine, but have used it a couple times to recharge phones and tablets.

We like how handy it is to recharge that I bought 3 more smaller power banks just for USB, one for a buck, one for two bucks, and a fancy $8 Blitzwolf that came with a battery installed. All seem to work fine, the cheap ones got used 18650 cells from recycled laptop packs, and are a bit cheesy vs the Blitzwolf and Sauoki.

No matter what you get, try it out before the warranty ends as QC doesn't seem to catch all the bad cells, and even good names have bad cells from time to time.

I wouldn't spend a lot of money, as they will certainly get better and cheaper.
 
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Oh, I do not think they will get cheaper if they get better.

The core technology are high discharge rate batteries, and their cost is tied to large scale use which will drive down prices even as quality increases. Of course there will be some back and forth, improvements that cost more initially, but over the long term, they will get better and cheaper, which also isn't to say the very best won't remain more expensive, but the mid range that most use will be better and cheaper.
 
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Cute thought. But I do believe if the mid range gets better, their price will higher. After all, you get what you pay for.

The core technology are high discharge rate batteries, and their cost is tied to large scale use which will drive down prices even as quality increases. Of course there will be some back and forth, improvements that cost more initially, but over the long term, they will get better and cheaper, which also isn't to say the very best won't remain more expensive, but the mid range that most use will be better and cheaper.
 

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Hmmmm. Not sure what to think. Sent noco an email this morning... I will see what the say, the unit was warm. Not happy at 300$










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I didn't read any of the thread but as to the title of the thread:

I just got a NeckTech unit and the clamps are of considerably better construction than any of my 3 other li-ion jumper packs.

The Necktechs are the more angular, and copper runs the entire length of the jaws/handles:
 

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Hmmmm. Not sure what to think. Sent noco an email this morning... I will see what the say, the unit was warm. Not happy at 300$

Ouch

When you mentioned $300 - at first I thought you had a couple fo them this happened to, and then I looked it up and realized that just one (the 4,000 amp version) is $293 + tax. Double ouch

It will be interesting to see what they say about it, but you shouldn't have any problems getting it replaced

"our 1-year hassle-free limited warranty"

Because of things like this - I am thankful of my Costco Visa card because it would add an extra 2 years to the warranty for free (just for using the card)
 

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Ouch

When you mentioned $300 - at first I thought you had a couple fo them this happened to, and then I looked it up and realized that just one (the 4,000 amp version) is $293 + tax. Double ouch

It will be interesting to see what they say about it, but you shouldn't have any problems getting it replaced

"our 1-year hassle-free limited warranty"

Because of things like this - I am thankful of my Costco Visa card because it would add an extra 2 years to the warranty for free (just for using the card)
Also I have never used it... Just sits in my garage..... I always check it is charged and how I noticed it today. Less than a year old.

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