Why do you say it cannot be rebuilt? Its just o-rings and seals. Same as many of the jacks in the overseas jack rebuild thread.
Harbor Freight 3 Ton Daytona Jack Versus Snap On FJ300 Jack
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Why do you say it cannot be rebuilt? Its just o-rings and seals. Same as many of the jacks in the overseas jack rebuild thread.
Sorry, I haven't seen one in person nor peaked at AC breakdowns at all sorry' but owners sure love them I know that and reliability is certainly there with an AC, they have quite proven themselves over time it seems.
Most people want an AC for the low height/length for the low cars and I never owned any low cars. Had a 79 T/A but that was about as low sitting vehicle I had, lol.... Drove a 69 Dodge Superbee for years & years until gas went north, also I mostly had trucks. Bee had over 425hp & 391 gears
but at 6 mpg x $4.30 gal high octane took the fun out of driving it daily. Wishing I never sold it now gas dropped, who knew? 
Understand me folks, I don't sweat where something is made all the time but more times I look at the track record of a company's products, mostly at the products design. I said I preferred USA stuff but not all foreign stuff is **** by all means it's not, I have a bunch like other do. Just like Whiffyspark posted here "Not all import is the same ****" and I certainly agree but even when HW was made in China they were pretty ****** too due to machining.
So far all the jacks China sent us here have indeed been total **** and jack designs like the Daytona has with a ram Oring well' we all know how long the O'ring jacks lasts people regardless if its made here or used a bunch or not, it will only last a ticks turd length of the time as a U-cup design will last but that is ok with some people, I get it. I'll never understand the throwaway mindset though.
...If we stop buying the new junk corps would be forced to build better products or go under. Many used jacks on craigs.Don't use one much' ok??
Use it or lose it' just as Hiball pointed out the the more a jack is used the longer any type of ram seal will last because it stays oiled up and along with pressure on the seal expanding/collapsing so the seal stays flexible. I wanted to write "expanding/despanding"...Im such a dip **** in wording...lol
We all know the steel & casting methods China uses in jacks/stands is **** like in most other products they send here this only allows things to be taken apart so many times. The threads usually start chipping apart the first time or two so the cylinder Oring can't always be replaced but maybe a few times if you're lucky. Okay with that?
China makes most everything to be tossed out never repaired, it's how they have always lived. They can't even comprehend why we want to fix stuff instead of replacing it and make no repair parts. Some offer parts while producing the item but it ends afterwards. Again, not for me..
This mentality is very hard to change and even worse it's how we build many US products today to keep us repurchasing their ****** products sooner that fail whenever they design it to, just after warranty. So anything still made well you want to last years, you better get it now' quality is leaving us forever very fast over corp greed (planned obsolescence) building products to fail sooner now..Not for me.
GM started it, here you go.
http://inspiredeconomist.com/2012/09/20/the-greatest-invention-planned-obsolescence/
Automated machinery that makes parts for people consistently has cut a lot of junk out of China products and that will continue on as robots are taking jobs here too.
Automated machining equipment is out there and if used will only leave the steel grade, jack design and the quality control to be great to make a good china jack if they choose to make one decent, very doubtful!!
The 3 year warranty is only good if HF sells this jack to replace it with and then it ends. SO may very well end that warranty in court but even if not how long will it be sold through harbor since HF don't manufacture it?
A USA made Hein Warner has been pretty much the same since the 40's and a design proven to last decades between rebuilds in a shop environment, no china jack has ever touched that to my knowledge. Hows this for looong posting....lol
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I'm just messing around .... just tailing along this whole witch-hunting to see the internals of the SO.
Does SO stock the rebuild parts to rebuild the hydraulic jack portion? I dont know... I'm curious to know.
Well it looks like Northern Tool has decided to join the party at $230 ($210 with a $20 off $100 coupon), and a 4 year warranty.
http://m.northerntool.com/products/shop~tools~product_200674207_200674207
Fast lift system features 2-stage, extra-large pistons to speed lift times by up to 75%
Double pump design reaches maximum rise height in under 5 pumps (no load)
Low-profile design fits easily under a wide variety of vehicles
Superior lift range from 4in. to 23in.
Designed to deliver 5000+ lifting cycles
Polyurethane Y-rings provide a more secure seal than standard O-rings to help extend jack life
5 grease zerks help keep all friction components well lubricated for smooth operation
Smooth-rolling, long-lasting swivel casters with ball bearings
Extra-thick axle reduces metal fatigue
Fast arm retraction keeps springs away from debris and dirt
Padded handle protects your vehicle's surface
Equipped with a special high-performance oil filter design
Are either of the features in bold legitimately better?
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http://m.northerntool.com/products/shop~tools~product_200674207_200674207
Fast lift system features 2-stage, extra-large pistons to speed lift times by up to 75%
Double pump design reaches maximum rise height in under 5 pumps (no load)
Low-profile design fits easily under a wide variety of vehicles
Superior lift range from 4in. to 23in.
Designed to deliver 5000+ lifting cycles
Polyurethane Y-rings provide a more secure seal than standard O-rings to help extend jack life
5 grease zerks help keep all friction components well lubricated for smooth operation
Smooth-rolling, long-lasting swivel casters with ball bearings
Extra-thick axle reduces metal fatigue
Fast arm retraction keeps springs away from debris and dirt
Padded handle protects your vehicle's surface
Equipped with a special high-performance oil filter design
Are either of the features in bold legitimately better?
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Well here we go again...lol
Without seeing inside this Yellow Jacket to inspect the Y-rings locations (ram / pumps or both?) it's hard to say if its design is any better really? The 4yr warranty certainly is better but unless one lives near Northern Tool or NT pays to ship both directions for repair the shipping costs alone will make that warranty irrelevant.
With no manual on NT yet to see a breakdown but guessing I would say it's a safe bet its inside design is the exact same as the harbor Daytona with an O-ring on the main ram and Y's on the pumps?
SO states U-cup on the ram, we know HF is O-ring, so If the YJ is a Y on the ram it would be 3 different designs "if" manufactured by same company, surely appears they are with that long of warranty but I don't know why it would be a Y on the ram though?
Now there is 2 in the dark here?...lol
Without seeing inside this Yellow Jacket to inspect the Y-rings locations (ram / pumps or both?) it's hard to say if its design is any better really? The 4yr warranty certainly is better but unless one lives near Northern Tool or NT pays to ship both directions for repair the shipping costs alone will make that warranty irrelevant.
With no manual on NT yet to see a breakdown but guessing I would say it's a safe bet its inside design is the exact same as the harbor Daytona with an O-ring on the main ram and Y's on the pumps?
SO states U-cup on the ram, we know HF is O-ring, so If the YJ is a Y on the ram it would be 3 different designs "if" manufactured by same company, surely appears they are with that long of warranty but I don't know why it would be a Y on the ram though?
Now there is 2 in the dark here?...lol
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It's back on through April 16.
Just bought the Daytona Jack from HF. I found a coupon online for $179.00 and they (Poughkeepsie) honored it. Instructions say to check reservoir and fill with 22 weight jack oil. I removed the 4 bolts that hold a heavy 'Daytona' plate and it did need a little bit to bring the level up to the correct level. I then re-installed the bolts using thread locker. I then used a grease gun on the zerk fittings to make sure all was greased as well. Grease gun got stuck on 1 fitting and I accidentally broke it off. Got the rest of the threaded portion out and now I'm off to the auto store for a replacement. Over all this is one hell of a jack. Glad I did'nt get a Sears model. Well built, nice welds appears to be a quality build for the money. [Edit: Just replaced the zerk. It's metric, screws in and gently tighten with 8mm socket.] Here's the coupon. It expires on the 16th. http://www.harborfreight.com/daytona_jack1.html
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you're at least the third person I heard about breaking a grease zerk on this thing right out of the gate.
WWheeler
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Grab a pair of pliers and twist the coupler on the end of the grease gun to adjust the little fingers inside so that it clips on and releases easily on whatever fittings you are working on. If the coupler is adjusted too loose it will let grease squeeze out around the zerk, and if it is too tight they get very difficult to get off which is how fittings get broken. A lot of couplers come adjusted too tight brand new.
They also won't work/adjust right and get stuck if dirt has been allowed to get in the coupler. I like to clean them with a small screwdriver and blow them out before/after each use.
EOC_Jason
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Yeah I bought a new Lincoln grease gun a while back, the coupler was so freaking tight I didn't know if I was every going to get it to loosen! They really torqued it down, so much so that I couldn't even fit it on a zerk until I finally broke the adjustment free and loosened it some.
I've been lucky in my 45 yrs of using grease guns I have not broken a zerk. But' my neighbor had a LT front engine Snapper rider in the 90's I worked on. When I went to grease the front axle, grease came out around the zerk threads (loose zerk?), then the zerk popped right out of it's hole when I removed the gun so I thought it broke.
Upon re-installing it I realized it is just a plastic sleeve the spindle/zerk both fit into and no matter what, the zerk wouldn't screw in tight enough for it to grease properly.
I just disassembled the damn front axle, greased it all up the old way every couple yrs until he got rid of it..lol Snapper built a real POS for its customers with that one and it made me appreciate my old Wheel Horse tractor much more no doubt.
fwiw: The Snapper axle -- see "front axle" section, part #10 is just all plastic. "Cast iron axle" section shows cast is not like this, only the steel.
http://www.searspartsdirect.com/model-number/lt145h38dbv/3290/1509200.html
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Upon re-installing it I realized it is just a plastic sleeve the spindle/zerk both fit into and no matter what, the zerk wouldn't screw in tight enough for it to grease properly.
I just disassembled the damn front axle, greased it all up the old way every couple yrs until he got rid of it..lol Snapper built a real POS for its customers with that one and it made me appreciate my old Wheel Horse tractor much more no doubt.
fwiw: The Snapper axle -- see "front axle" section, part #10 is just all plastic. "Cast iron axle" section shows cast is not like this, only the steel.
http://www.searspartsdirect.com/model-number/lt145h38dbv/3290/1509200.html
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Nice idea but omg $30?? lol'
My cheapie always gets it done and really I doubt that would helped in the only failed design I've seen to date anyway.
Hell' when zerks are tapped into soft plastic I'm surprised they stayed in over a lap or two around a yard in that pos mower...lol
Nice design on that fitting though, I do like it...just not it's price.
My cheapie always gets it done and really I doubt that would helped in the only failed design I've seen to date anyway.
Hell' when zerks are tapped into soft plastic I'm surprised they stayed in over a lap or two around a yard in that pos mower...lol
Nice design on that fitting though, I do like it...just not it's price.
Expensive but worth it if you do a lot of manual grease gun greasing!!
The coupon just arrived in the mail today. It's located on the front page of their ad.
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FlightParamedic
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Harbor Freight has a 25% off coupon for Easter Sunday. 4/16/17. Would make the jack ~$150.
Even with the 20% off they have all the time it's cheaper than Northern Tool.
Even with the 20% off they have all the time it's cheaper than Northern Tool.
Harbor Freight coupons exclude "Daytona" products, such as the jack. Apparently the only Daytona product they sell is the jack.
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trekgod3
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Not to mention their coupons usually exclude ALL jacks....
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WWheeler
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Leno boasting 'this is one place you don't want to cut corners' and starts criticizing 'foreign made' jacks. He obviously has no idea where that Snap On jack came from.
bubinga
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Yeah, as soon as he said "people want to go to TOOL SHED" Or something like that, I closed it.
Leno boasting 'this is one place you don't want to cut corners' and starts criticizing 'foreign made' jacks. He obviously has no idea where that Snap On jack came from.
LoL. "it's how they have always lived. They can't even comprehend why we want to fix stuff instead of replacing it" ??
From what I've seen it's the other way around. Don't you know these products are spec'd and sourced by US companies to be sold to the US market? What has it got to do with how the Chinese lived or what they can or cannot comprehend?
The coupon just arrived in the mail today. It's located on the front page of their ad.
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The sales flyer says coupons are good through 5/16/17
Bought the Northern Tool Yellow Jacket Jack this morning haven't had time to mess with it but it seems pretty solid, I used the $30 off coupon *(in store they have a display of the coupons) Plus they took my $25 off coupon as well.
Thing seems solid and rises pretty fast.
I had a Harbor Freight 2 Ton Jack years ago and it leaked down pretty much from the get go. and you could hear it as you were using it, tink, tink, tink, tink... as it slowly lowered itself!
Thing seems solid and rises pretty fast.
I had a Harbor Freight 2 Ton Jack years ago and it leaked down pretty much from the get go. and you could hear it as you were using it, tink, tink, tink, tink... as it slowly lowered itself!
chrisnazzy
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Would definitely be interested in some pics and thoughts on that jack after you get it unboxed and check it out a bit.
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Unboxed and first impression is that this is a solid piece of equipment, used it to lift my Commercial Zero Turn to install Flat Free caster wheels on it. So far I am impressed, rises rapidly with minimal input if necessary, has the pad on the saddle which can be removed and there is a steel "4 Tooth" saddle under it. Even the BOX was a solid piece, very nicely packed and printed. The Tool itself has very nice fit and finish. I'll take a few pics later here and update this post.
Are you saying that you were able to buy the jack for $169 with the coupon, plus got an additional $20 dollars off with the $20 dollar coupon? So the net result was a $149 dollar jack? Or did you happen to have other items along with your jack that the $20 dollar coupon was applied to?
I have the the new flyer here with the jack coupon on the front cover, along with the 3 other discount coupons inside. After reading all the fine print on BOTH coupons, it's pretty obvious that the two coupons are not meant to be used together for the purchase of the jack.
If they accepted both coupons for the purchase of the jack by itself, that is a screaming deal!
(coupons pictured below for those who don't receive the flyer)
(back of $20 off coupon)
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Sorry but no they are not all spec'd here!!
Some products are indeed spec'd here but most things offered today simply are not. Most companies go to websites like in the below link and order skids of whatever they want to sell to us. This goes for most goods not just jacks..
Most really have no idea nor care what the products quality is at all, just how much will be made from it and many will never even attach a name to it but they can order any name on its sticker if ordering enough.
Most won't just to refer lawsuits to its China maker, good luck with chasing them down, they change names constantly and most are owned by china government, no suing them.
Who is Daytona btw, who manufactured it?
Harbor lawsuit was for advertising issues of their own doings but HF nor Pittsburgh put a name on it since its sold elsewhere as we know, so HF certainly did not have it spec'd..lol. Get that idea out of your head here my friend.
SnapOn' surely didn't spec theirs either since they never have done that before, they just ordered them up red with SO stickers from Lincoln or Shinn Fu."What has it got to do with how the Chinese lived or what they can or cannot comprehend?"
Well since you must have failed economics here goes...
The chinese people have never cared to repair anything because most products are made by them in government owned sweat factories, at slave wages mind you.
They very rarely make any extra repair parts on anything except when production of the item is still ongoing, only then is it offered.
After production ends the government owned business and most other corps there force people to buy the next new product made by never making extra repair parts for stuff.
Repairing the old will only cost the business/government money instead of buying again..They've lived like this for centuries and honestly believe it is the correct way to behave to make their world turn or their gov won't make enough money to support them all.
Welcome to Communism, a political theory derived from Karl Marx, advocating class war and leading to a society in which all property is publicly owned and each person works and is paid according to their abilities and needs!!
This is why they "cannot comprehend us repairing something", in their brainwashed minds it's detrimental to their existence as a country.
Here order all the jacks you want....hell' type anything you need in the search and order them, and this is just one site there are many more like it, just ask google. If you look hard on these sites you'll surely find this Daytona. May have a name sticker it may not, order it with your name on it....lmao
http://www.made-in-china.com/produc...omProvince=nolimit&order=0&isOpenCorrection=1
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EOC_Jason
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FYI, there is a Northern Tool thread I believe...
Is it a thread pecifically about the jack? I haven't seen it. Can you post a link, please.
Are you saying that you were able to buy the jack for $169 with the coupon, plus got an additional $20 dollars off with the $20 dollar coupon? So the net result was a $149 dollar jack? Or did you happen to have other items along with your jack that the $20 dollar coupon was applied to?
I have the the new flyer here with the jack coupon on the front cover, along with the 3 other discount coupons inside. After reading all the fine print on BOTH coupons, it's pretty obvious that the two coupons are not meant to be used together for the purchase of the jack.
If they accepted both coupons for the purchase of the jack by itself, that is a screaming deal!
(coupons pictured below for those who don't receive the flyer)
(back of $20 off coupon)
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I had a $35 on Sale Lawn Mower Flat Free tire, a set of Bearings for same ($9) and a candybar. The Assistant manager was the cashier, the register would not accept the $20 Coupon ,the manager came over and told him what to put in the computer and they took the $20 off I put $25 in the thing but meant $20. I didn't think they would take it but they did. no problems. By the way I've bought items at Northern and didn't have my discount cards with me and they told me to bring the card and receipt back later and they would refund me the amount, I did and they did. Pretty good folks there, the Store Manager is a Marine. Solid dude.
Sorry but no they are not all spec'd here!!
Some products are indeed spec'd here but most things offered today simply are not. Most companies go to websites like in the below link and order skids of whatever they want to sell to us. This goes for most goods not just jacks..
Most really have no idea nor care what the products quality is at all, just how much will be made from it and many will never even attach a name to it but they can order any name on its sticker if ordering enough.
Most won't just to refer lawsuits to its China maker, good luck with chasing them down, they change names constantly and most are owned by china government, no suing them.
Who is Daytona btw, who manufactured it?
Harbor lawsuit was for advertising issues of their own doings but HF nor Pittsburgh put a name on it since its sold elsewhere as we know, so HF certainly did not have it spec'd..lol. Get that idea out of your head here my friend.
"What has it got to do with how the Chinese lived or what they can or cannot comprehend?"
Well since you must have failed economics here goes...
The chinese people have never cared to repair anything because most products are made by them in government owned sweat factories, at slave wages mind you.
They very rarely make any extra repair parts on anything except when production of the item is still ongoing, only then is it offered.
After production ends the government owned business and most other corps there force people to buy the next new product made by never making extra repair parts for stuff.
Repairing the old will only cost the business/government money instead of buying again..They've lived like this for centuries and honestly believe it is the correct way to behave to make their world turn or their gov won't make enough money to support them all.
Welcome to Communism, a political theory derived from Karl Marx, advocating class war and leading to a society in which all property is publicly owned and each person works and is paid according to their abilities and needs!!
This is why they "cannot comprehend us repairing something", in their brainwashed minds it's detrimental to their existence as a country.
Here order all the jacks you want....hell' type anything you need in the search and order them, and this is just one site there are many more like it, just ask google. If you look hard on these sites you'll surely find this Daytona. May have a name sticker it may not, order it with your name on it....lmao
http://www.made-in-china.com/produc...omProvince=nolimit&order=0&isOpenCorrection=1
How it works is Snap-On probably spec'd their jack out by picking one from the catalog and specifying the paint job and markings. THEN the Salesman for Shi Quang Dong, (People's Factory Number 14) said, "This is the one that Snap-On bought" so Harbor Freight said Give us 150 Containers of this model and mark it as such... similar to the Knock Off Honda Engines And the new brand of electric tools that look like Milwaukee, Red with White markings.
Grizzly Specs out quite a few things in their "Premium" lines, which bearings, what color and so forth.
SuperCheyenne
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1.3 billion people and nobody is in the repair industry? Google disagrees.
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kirkkw
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Recently I read an article that many of the high tech companies are leaving China due to many reason, one of which was rising labor costs. It seems the labor quality is not as competitive based on the higher wages being demanded.
I seem to remember the following companies as having left or leaving China -Sony, Panasonic, Apple, Seagate or another drive maker, etc.
I seem to remember the following companies as having left or leaving China -Sony, Panasonic, Apple, Seagate or another drive maker, etc.
EOC_Jason
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As a country gets more developed, wages go up, regulations increase, taxes increase, etc... So then a company has to decide if it's worth the effort of building it halfway across the world and having to ship it back to the US...
There are tons of factors to consider when building in less developed countries, such as riots / civil unrest / criminal activity, power outages, severe weather, and so much more. But like in India sure labor might be cheaper but when protests for something not related to your company shut down your factory for a week at a time, that hurts the bottom line...