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Stuey

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Saw these today on their site:

http://www.shopyourway.com/craftsman-4-pc-pliers-set/640263541

The listing shows a picture of the packaging. No mention of Made in the USA.
There are a few new sets on Sears, and like you I assume they're imported.

I don't even know where to begin.

The Slip Joint Pliers provide users with 2 times more gripping force on small, medium and large objects. Long Nose Pliers utilize a high leverage joint providing users with 14 times more cutting force requiring 17% less effort. Arc Joint Pliers can be adjusted to 5 different positions and provides user with 4 times more gripping force, perfect for gripping everything from large items like pipes, right down to small nuts and bolts. Diagonal Pliers have induction hardened cutting edges which provide 16 times greater cutting force to ensure strength and durability for the toughest of jobs.

16x greater cutting force? WOW! Compared to what?

And what are those faces? Oh, Eric from New Hampshire, who also wants a Playstation 4 and disc brakes, added this to their "catalog."
 

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I'm not sure about them being imported. The business end of them still look like the WF made stuff. I have not seen these in any store yet. It would be a shame if they are imported. I have Craftsman pliers in my tool bag in the service van and they are great quality for the money. I also use Craftsman adjustable wrenches. No issues. Leave it to Sears to mess up the last good value they have going
 
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I'm not sure about them being imported. The business end of them still look like the WF made stuff. I have not seen these in any store yet. It would be a shame if they are imported. I have Craftsman pliers in my tool bag in the service van and they are great quality for the money. I also use Craftsman adjustable wrenches. No issues. Leave it to Sears to mess up the last good value they have going

I think that if they were made in the USA, it would say so on the front of the package. They still put that little label on the other tools. Made in China tools always list COO on the back.
 

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Looks like more of the bottom line thinking that put Sears where they are now. Still to early to see what Stanley does with the Craftsman line.
 

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Sears is worse every single time I go...

Even the chisels are not made in USA now. The last few things to stay American are almost all Chinese...

Well, the hammers are still American...

Why buy anything there anymore? For ruining something that used to be great?

The last thing I bought there was some offset ratcheting speed wrenches. They were terrible. They did not finish the tools well before they chromed them. The tools with the worst fit and finish in my entire box are Made in USA Craftsman... I am done with Sears...
 

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This is great set to have when on sale. Steel is good for non-abusive use. I've been using these for years. (I only have the three piece set though!)

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Six dollars less for Chinese pliers? I don't know who would do that. Now, if you're going to sell these new ones at $19.99... Well, there's certainly a market for that consumer... But then again, that consumer really wants to spend this much... :sad:

Nine dollar harbor freight disposable pliers...
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Stuey, I dont know who writes the descriptions in these ads. Physics is physics. Leverage is simply force x distance. How can they make such claims with out explaining it? Maybe because they can't.
 

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I mean seriously, at this point, who cares...

They literally screw up everything good they have going for them. I have my USA made stuff from Craftsman that I've purchased over the past few years and that's it. I don't bother going there anymore and I don't shed a tear when I read stories like this. Perhaps when the new regime takes over I'll take a look at Craftsman again, but till then, I've washed my hands with them. Sears needs to be taken out back and put down once and for all. Sorry I'm not sorry.
 

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They literally screw up everything good they have going for them.

I agree with you gdocktor3, poor management, poor foresight, and even poorer execution... So many folks (me included) still hold onto an idealized history of Sears/Craftsman, but they keep doing this?

In hindsight, they really should spun off an online/boutique Craftsman store instead of doing this to their brand.
 

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I think that if they were made in the USA, it would say so on the front of the package. They still put that little label on the other tools. Made in China tools always list COO on the back.

I guess we will see when these hit stores. If imported I'm guessing Taiwan. That's where Gearwrench pliers are made and Sears is already in bed with Apex. This would **** for Ideal/WF. That's a pretty big chunk of business to lose. I guess I will Buy all the rest I was planning on any way before the USA made stuff is gone. Like when the wrenches and sockets went China it took a little bit before the Sears warehouses were done shipping the US made stuff to stores. I have noticed the pliers stock at the Sears stores near me has been pretty low lately. This may explain why.
 

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I spoke with a rep at Sears and she told me, roughly, that because "Craftsman is a U.S. Company, therefore they are made in the U.S," which makes absolutely no sense. She then told me that she did not know exactly where they were manufactured and did not have access to that information. Whatever.
 

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I agree that they look an awful like like the current WF pliers, although I wouldn't be surprised in the least if they were imported.

I agree. Look like WF but then again there is everything else of theirs no longer USA that looks nearly identical until you look closely.

What do you guys think of that C shield logo?
 

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Stuey, I dont know who writes the descriptions in these ads. Physics is physics. Leverage is simply force x distance. How can they make such claims with out explaining it? Maybe because they can't.

Because the location and size of the joint in the pliers is in that equation (it's included in the length term). That's what pretty much every high leverage pliers is- a smaller pivot diameter for a slight increase in applied force. The exception, of course, is those dual or compound action pliers that make a substantial difference in the force that has to be applied to cut something

Marketing claims like 16x more force are next to useless though....

I don't think these are western forge. The handles are different (not talking about the grips, but the squarish handles), and that would require new forging dies, which I don't WF is going to do for Craftsman. Also, no USA or WF stamp to be seen.
 
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Yup, the 16x claims basically mean that these are, indeed, pliers.

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FWIW, Craftsman is hardly alone in using this claim, even Knipex hypes their supernatural double digit force multiplication abilities...

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I must say though that it's more than a little confusing for them to claim 17% less required force right after the 16x force claim.

As for the COO, absolutely Chinese. The industrial design alone gives it away, looks like it was sketched by the same hand that was responsible for the Milwaukee hand tool designs. It would take a substantial investment (ergonomics R&D, extensive computer modeling, new tooling, etc.) to overhaul the design of their American-made pliers. They would hype the hell out of that. Maybe in a year or two, if Stanley delivers on their promise.
 

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I had to turn in a USA made 7/32 Craftsman hex bit yesterday for warranty. I cringed when I saw the new one said Made in China. Unfortunately its a harsh reality.
 

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The front of the packaging (at the bottom) mentions the 16x leverage stat as being the ratio of the distance from hinge to the start of the cutter vs the distance from the hinge to the end of the handles. In other words, it's a new way of saying the cutters are pretty much exactly the same as every other pair of diagonal cutters out there.:lol:

I think the new handle shape could be an improvement over many of their older comfort gripped designs from the past if they are comfortable to hold. They ride pretty flush with the frame so they should slip easily in and out of tool bag loops and pockets. Many other brands seem to forget how important that aspect of tool design is to many of their target customers.

However, it would have also been nice if they hadn't left large chunks of bare metal on the handles. At least on the diagonal cutters. If you happen to accidentally cut through a hot electrical wire with the diagonal cutters, the electricity will now travel effortlessly and efficiently into your hand and throughout your body. Come on Craftsman, think things through.:lol_hitti

That was my first thought....with the exposed steel in the handle, just eliminated about half the people that would buy them....
 

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That was my first thought....with the exposed steel in the handle, just eliminated about half the people that would buy them....
My thoughts on the exposed metal handle is that someone making tool decisions without any knowledge about pliers thought "Golly gee, these handles look flashy and different, lets make them that way", without even a thought about how well they would serve their purpose. :headscrat
 

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The last combination wrench i took back for replacement the new one had a made in china sticker and the wrench itself no longer says forged in the USA...
 

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Wife dragged me to the mall today, so I stopped by Sears. All the CMan pliers were either USA or German made. None of them said 'Made in USA' on the front of the packaging, all had it on the back.
 

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German made Cman pliers?

My old black handle Cman needlenose are surprisingly good. I prefer the yellow Kleins, but I use the Cman in another bag. Still a good pair!
 

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German made Cman pliers?

My old black handle Cman needlenose are surprisingly good. I prefer the yellow Kleins, but I use the Cman in another bag. Still a good pair!

From a previous thread

At sears today and saw craftsman adjustable pliers that are made in Germany that resemble the knipex cobra's.

Anyone care to share input?

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I was at 4 stores in my area yesterday. No signs of new pliers and no sales on the USA stuff either.

All the Knipex seemed to be on sale though.
 

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I was at Sears yesterday. There were no sales but the stock was very low. It was like that at all the local Sears near me. I wonder if there is a transition coming soon.
 

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I bought a lot of made in USA Craftsman tools that should last a lifetime Even if the warranty isn't worth the paper it is written on my supply of tools should last. I just don't like paying the cost of a so called lifetime warranty for a USA tool and either have it dropped from production or replaced with a pennies on the dollar Chinese tool.
 

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I'd be surprised if these are USA WF. Trendy over-moulded features and/or paint schemes are offset by cheap materials and labor.
 

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Sears is worse every single time I go...

Even the chisels are not made in USA now. The last few things to stay American are almost all Chinese...

Well, the hammers are still American...

Why buy anything there anymore? For ruining something that used to be great?

The last thing I bought there was some offset ratcheting speed wrenches. They were terrible. They did not finish the tools well before they chromed them. The tools with the worst fit and finish in my entire box are Made in USA Craftsman... I am done with Sears...

They are starting to not honor warranties too.

I went to my local Sears (only one left in my area is a ****** hometown store) and tried to exchange a 1980s 1/2 drive ratchet and the manager flat out told me they wouldn't be able to exchange it unless it was of the newer manufacture (2005+). Which is complete ********. I don't want to have to drive to another one of these ****** hometown stores to see if they will actually honor a warranty. Even if they do honor it, I am just going to end up with something I could get at Harbor Freight.

:mad::mad::mad:
 

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Will somebody just shoot Sears in the head so that we don't have any more of these threads to read. This reminds me of the Austin Powers movie where Dr. Evil's son tells Dr. Evil, "Why don't you just shoot him in the head and be done with it." whereas Dr. Evil always has to devise some devious way to kill Austin Powers (which of course never works). Sears reminds me of that scene. Just shoot it in the head!

Check out the scene here:
 
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They are starting to not honor warranties too.

I went to my local Sears (only one left in my area is a ****** hometown store) and tried to exchange a 1980s 1/2 drive ratchet and the manager flat out told me they wouldn't be able to exchange it unless it was of the newer manufacture (2005+). Which is complete ********. I don't want to have to drive to another one of these ****** hometown stores to see if they will actually honor a warranty. Even if they do honor it, I am just going to end up with something I could get at Harbor Freight.

:mad::mad::mad:

I have found that the Home Town stores are franchises and they don't play be the same rules as a Sears or Kmart. I even found that prices on the shelf are sometimes higher than what you find on line. It would probably cost him (the store owner) money to replace that ratchet so he says screw it. Go to an Ace, Kmart or Sears. or just throw it out! cut your losses and get a gear wrench.
 

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Will somebody just shoot Sears in the head so that we don't have any more of these threads to read. This reminds me of the Austin Powers movie where Dr. Evil's son tells Dr. Evil, "Why don't you just shoot him in the head and be done with it." whereas Dr. Evil always has to devise some devious way to kill Austin Powers (which of course never works). Sears reminds me of that scene. Just shoot it in the head!

Check out the scene here:

Something will happen this summer or early Fall. One other member wrote earlier that Lambert has to wait for a certain date to pass in order to avoid certain financial and legal liabilities. He is holding on to make it there.
I don't understand it but it sounded like complicated legal and accounting stuff to protect financiers like Eddie Lambert from getting sued by share holders.
I would expect things like their appliance lines and auto centers to get sold off to pay down some of the debt.
 
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