The VISES of Garage Journal
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drivesitfar
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GMan: maybe the frozen slide will slow down the bidding and the red spray bomb owner might get what it's worth instead getting rewarded for doing a half **** spiffing up. it looks good other than the frozen slide and it really looks a lot like a REED so probably closer to the HOLLAND'S REED era of vises produced at Yost.
good luck
ALL: i can't ever recall seeing a #2 Vanderman. only 1's and 3's and maybe a 0 along with the recently posted #5. anybody have a Vanderman to post pictures of and maybe tell us what you think of them. i think they are maybe the beefiest and best built open screw vises ever made.
good luck
ALL: i can't ever recall seeing a #2 Vanderman. only 1's and 3's and maybe a 0 along with the recently posted #5. anybody have a Vanderman to post pictures of and maybe tell us what you think of them. i think they are maybe the beefiest and best built open screw vises ever made.
Mark in Indiana
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G-man,
I'd also spot it out. If you holler out that the vise won't move, when it comes up for auction, that will turn off a lot of buyers, and bidding will stop sooner. It has worked for me.
Good luck.
I'd also spot it out. If you holler out that the vise won't move, when it comes up for auction, that will turn off a lot of buyers, and bidding will stop sooner. It has worked for me.
Good luck.
Jazz1
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My latest flea market find. HENRY 5. London Ontario. Henry started making vises in his backyard prior to opening factory. All he made was vises
In 1940 an enterprising pattern-maker, William Joseph Henry, started a manufacturing plant in a small garage in his backyard. The firm produced one product—bench vises—which were in high demand by the armed services. Crafttools Ltd. was created. Over the next 4 years the business grew and by 1944 Craftools was manufacturing arbor presses, buffers, grinders and their line of vises. They supplied all the vise equipment used by the Canadian mobile army workshop trucks in England, Italy, Russia, China and India. They also made their vises for air force repair shops, army training schools and naval yards. In 1944 they built a foundry to produce their own castings. By 1949 Craftools was the largest supplier of vises in Canada.
In 1945 Mr. Henry formed a second company called Henry Power Tools Limited. The purpose was to leverage their craftsmen, foundry and casting expertise into a line of woodworking machinery. Mr. Henry oversaw the engineering specifications for the whole “Craftmaster” line, which included bandsaws, jointers, lathes and other machinery.
Their quality reputation grew and in 1947 Henry Power Tools expanded to respond to increased US and world demand. They expanded into the US as well as India, Australia, South Africa, and many countries in Africa. By this time it was the largest manufacturing firm of its kind in Canada.
In 1947 Mr. Henry died at the age of 44. His widow, Mrs. Viola Henry was active in the business and continued to run it along with the General Manager, John Gilchrist.
In 1951 Mrs. Henry sold her position in the two companies to a group of local Londoners headed by Mr. Gilchrist, who became the President of both firms. Under his guidance the two companies continued to expand.
In 1953 both firms were sold to the EX-CELL-O Corporation of Canada Ltd. a subsidiary of EX-CELL-O Machine Tools Inc. of the US (makers of tooling for the automotive industry). At the same time the power tools line was sold to machinery distributor Strongridge Ltd. of London.
Before 1953, Henry Power Tools's Craftmaster line was sold by Porter-Cable, badged with the Craftmaster and Porter-Cable names. It appears that that OEM arrangement ceased when Strongridge bought Henry. Foster Manufacturing Co. also put their name on Henry tools, including the tablesaw shown on the cover of an undated catalog.
In 1940 an enterprising pattern-maker, William Joseph Henry, started a manufacturing plant in a small garage in his backyard. The firm produced one product—bench vises—which were in high demand by the armed services. Crafttools Ltd. was created. Over the next 4 years the business grew and by 1944 Craftools was manufacturing arbor presses, buffers, grinders and their line of vises. They supplied all the vise equipment used by the Canadian mobile army workshop trucks in England, Italy, Russia, China and India. They also made their vises for air force repair shops, army training schools and naval yards. In 1944 they built a foundry to produce their own castings. By 1949 Craftools was the largest supplier of vises in Canada.
In 1945 Mr. Henry formed a second company called Henry Power Tools Limited. The purpose was to leverage their craftsmen, foundry and casting expertise into a line of woodworking machinery. Mr. Henry oversaw the engineering specifications for the whole “Craftmaster” line, which included bandsaws, jointers, lathes and other machinery.
Their quality reputation grew and in 1947 Henry Power Tools expanded to respond to increased US and world demand. They expanded into the US as well as India, Australia, South Africa, and many countries in Africa. By this time it was the largest manufacturing firm of its kind in Canada.
In 1947 Mr. Henry died at the age of 44. His widow, Mrs. Viola Henry was active in the business and continued to run it along with the General Manager, John Gilchrist.
In 1951 Mrs. Henry sold her position in the two companies to a group of local Londoners headed by Mr. Gilchrist, who became the President of both firms. Under his guidance the two companies continued to expand.
In 1953 both firms were sold to the EX-CELL-O Corporation of Canada Ltd. a subsidiary of EX-CELL-O Machine Tools Inc. of the US (makers of tooling for the automotive industry). At the same time the power tools line was sold to machinery distributor Strongridge Ltd. of London.
Before 1953, Henry Power Tools's Craftmaster line was sold by Porter-Cable, badged with the Craftmaster and Porter-Cable names. It appears that that OEM arrangement ceased when Strongridge bought Henry. Foster Manufacturing Co. also put their name on Henry tools, including the tablesaw shown on the cover of an undated catalog.
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vintage nut
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Henry actually made a line of powered woodworking machinery under the craft tools brand name as well. They later became porter cable for the brief time they sold stationary tools
My dad has one of those on his bench, very high quality and overbuilt vises
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Rock Island 574 cleaned up, painted and lubed (Permatex anti seize on the screw, Johnsons wax on the slide and base). Paint is Rustoleum "Light Machine Gray", probably not an exact match to the factory primer-like gray on the inside, but close enough for me. Next up are a swivel lock handle and a set of new dentures.
Thats not a bad color. I like it
dinoperson
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Well, it wasn't to be. A couple of guys got into a bit of a bidding war, and I saw people trying to move the handle in front of them, so they knew it was stuck.
If it wasn't stuck I would have gone past the number they stopped at. I was really trying to get it to trade it to another member here so I had to factor in shipping as well...that just made it too expensive.
On the plus side, I did get a really nice Vulcan anvil as a consolation prize.
dinoperson
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Well, it wasn't to be. A couple of guys got into a bit of a bidding war, and I saw people trying to move the handle in front of them, so they knew it was stuck.
If it wasn't stuck I would have gone past the number they stopped at. I was really trying to get it to trade it to another member here so I had to factor in shipping as well...that just made it too expensive.
On the plus side, I did get a really nice Vulcan anvil as a consolation prize.
If you can get Friday's off Estate sales are great place to pick up vises. Out here all the Estate Sales companies don't bother to do much research on the tools they sell.
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Some of my finds
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I'm new to this thread and am blown away by vises on here.
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$75 haul for the day.. I was so excited to get my hands on another 5196 I didn't even realize the slide support was broken off until I got there and saw it [emoji17] [emoji17] .. Kind of a bummer, but it still works.. The c clamps made the trip worth it still, two *********** 6" Armstrong's and a 8" Wilton... One of those 'trying to get rid of anything else?'
Anyone happen to have a spare 5196 body??
I should be picking up a Prentiss swivel jaw tomorrow, finally...
Edit: aaand I just sold the two pipe wrenches for $30 haha, wasn't expecting to turn them around so fast but it just worked out while selling something else, so now $45 for the lot makes me a happy camper [emoji4]
Cheers
Anyone happen to have a spare 5196 body??
I should be picking up a Prentiss swivel jaw tomorrow, finally...
Edit: aaand I just sold the two pipe wrenches for $30 haha, wasn't expecting to turn them around so fast but it just worked out while selling something else, so now $45 for the lot makes me a happy camper [emoji4]
Cheers
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Outlawmws
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Mill that area flat and make a bolt on support. Better than nothing...
I'd be happy if I could spot an eight inch around here some day ...
I wish, I spotted a Wilton in an overall picture of an estate sale listing, not super obvious. I got there Saturday as soon as I could, they said it sold THURSDAY first thing...
Welcome! They multiply fast [emoji4]
Hmmm might have try that.. Your right though, I'd feel better with something there rather than nothing.. It's just a ways down the line of work I need to do on all the other ones.. And I don't even have that many compared to most of you..
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IHmachinery
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A great vise! I have one on my bench as my daily user. It is heavy and smooth, and being in Canada, I like that it is Canadian made. Here is a photo of mine.
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Well, it wasn't to be. A couple of guys got into a bit of a bidding war, and I saw people trying to move the handle in front of them, so they knew it was stuck.
If it wasn't stuck I would have gone past the number they stopped at. I was really trying to get it to trade it to another member here so I had to factor in shipping as well...that just made it too expensive.
On the plus side, I did get a really nice Vulcan anvil as a consolation prize.
what was the final #
dutchgray
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Well I bought a Paramo No3 because it was cheap, don't really need it, already got a couple Paramo vices anyway.
View media item 69924View media item 69923Its in oil it, bolt it down and put it to work condition, needs nothing doing really.
£22.50 was the cost.
View media item 69924View media item 69923Its in oil it, bolt it down and put it to work condition, needs nothing doing really.
£22.50 was the cost.
I hope someone can shed some light on this vise.
It was in a box lot of unrelated tools in a New England auction. This jewelers’ size vise has evidence of japanning on its cast iron parts and may have faint lettering on the lower clamp lever. The pawl and octagonal handles are also cast.
Dimensions: OAL 8 ½”
Vise Jaw Width 1 ½”
Vise Jaw Opening ¾”
Clamp Jaw surface ¾” X 2 ¼”
Clamp capacity up to 3”
Octagonal handles 1 ¼”
The dynamic vise jaw is one end of a lever that pivots on a fulcrum point when the screw at the other end is turned in or out.
A pawl engages the toothed lower jaw of the clamp stopping it from dropping while one tightens its lever’s grip on a tabletop.
Both jaws of the vise and clamp have narrow gussets strengthening them, a necessary design element considering the lightweight castings.
Tightening the clamp’s lever screw forces the pawl-engaged jaw upward parallel to the base with considerable mechanical advantage. It is the firmest clamp-on vise I have encountered.
In contrast, because of its fulcrum lever’s design, the vise jaws do not move parallel across the horizontal plane, a drawback.
The octagonal handles are crowned and comfortable to grip and turn. Clamping the vise a few times on boards of different thickness I found the odd shaped ends convenient. The small projection near bottom of the body is a finger stop that combined with the rounded portion below makes it comfortable to grip when releasing the pawl. Simultaneously another finger rests in the cutaway at the bottom of the clamp when pushing its jaw up into position. Clamping the vise to a bench is quick, as the clamp’s screw requires at most a few turns to firm up its grip.
I have not seen this design before and wonder if the vise was patented or even if it is US made. Sadly the lettering if it were such is indecipherable. Casting such lightweight parts with their potential to be damaged or distorted may have doomed any financial success.
Has anyone encountered a similar vise?
It was in a box lot of unrelated tools in a New England auction. This jewelers’ size vise has evidence of japanning on its cast iron parts and may have faint lettering on the lower clamp lever. The pawl and octagonal handles are also cast.
Dimensions: OAL 8 ½”
Vise Jaw Width 1 ½”
Vise Jaw Opening ¾”
Clamp Jaw surface ¾” X 2 ¼”
Clamp capacity up to 3”
Octagonal handles 1 ¼”
The dynamic vise jaw is one end of a lever that pivots on a fulcrum point when the screw at the other end is turned in or out.
A pawl engages the toothed lower jaw of the clamp stopping it from dropping while one tightens its lever’s grip on a tabletop.
Both jaws of the vise and clamp have narrow gussets strengthening them, a necessary design element considering the lightweight castings.
Tightening the clamp’s lever screw forces the pawl-engaged jaw upward parallel to the base with considerable mechanical advantage. It is the firmest clamp-on vise I have encountered.
In contrast, because of its fulcrum lever’s design, the vise jaws do not move parallel across the horizontal plane, a drawback.
The octagonal handles are crowned and comfortable to grip and turn. Clamping the vise a few times on boards of different thickness I found the odd shaped ends convenient. The small projection near bottom of the body is a finger stop that combined with the rounded portion below makes it comfortable to grip when releasing the pawl. Simultaneously another finger rests in the cutaway at the bottom of the clamp when pushing its jaw up into position. Clamping the vise to a bench is quick, as the clamp’s screw requires at most a few turns to firm up its grip.
I have not seen this design before and wonder if the vise was patented or even if it is US made. Sadly the lettering if it were such is indecipherable. Casting such lightweight parts with their potential to be damaged or distorted may have doomed any financial success.
Has anyone encountered a similar vise?
drivesitfar
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Dansem: interesting little vise. i haven't seen one similar. for a little vise it looks like it had a special job assigned to it. more than likely for holding some sort of woodworking tools, but i'd like to learn more about it if you find out anything.
I think it was $625 and there would have been 6% sales tax on top of that. Even if I could have gotten it for $650 I wasn't going to pay almost $700 total for a stuck vise with a heavy coat of paint. It also needed a new handle...somewhat bent and very undersized in the spindle.
The thick paint had me as worried as being stuck. There was something funky going on with the area where the jaw inserts met the towers, but the paint made it impossible to tell what it was. I was also concerned with a line I could see on the inside of the back of the slide...wasn't sure if it was evidence of a crack that paint was hiding. It could have been a casting mark/seam, but when I added all that stuff up, just couldn't pull the trigger.
The auction was so slow I left for a couple of hours, visited a fellow vise enthusiast, sold him two vises he wanted and came home with the cleanest Wilton 9350 I've ever seen...still has the original paint. Combined with he anvil, I'll take the consolation prize and be happy.
Outlawmws
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Dan that is an interesting vise for sure. The bench clamp to me is the most interesting part of it.
I'm noting the bottom most part of it, and the stop cast in on that. I wonder of that was intended to socket into a support block on the bench leg, similar to how a blacksmith vise has a support post? That way its not relying on just the clamp.
VERY cool one of a kind find!
EDIT: Hmmm, looking again, the slide part of the clamp would hit a block, so the block would have to be notched to clear it. More mystery...
I'm noting the bottom most part of it, and the stop cast in on that. I wonder of that was intended to socket into a support block on the bench leg, similar to how a blacksmith vise has a support post? That way its not relying on just the clamp.
VERY cool one of a kind find!
EDIT: Hmmm, looking again, the slide part of the clamp would hit a block, so the block would have to be notched to clear it. More mystery...
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joe.striper
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I think it was $625 and there would have been 6% sales tax on top of that. Even if I could have gotten it for $650 I wasn't going to pay almost $700 total for a stuck vise with a heavy coat of paint. It also needed a new handle...somewhat bent and very undersized in the spindle.
The thick paint had me as worried as being stuck. There was something funky going on with the area where the jaw inserts met the towers, but the paint made it impossible to tell what it was. I was also concerned with a line I could see on the inside of the back of the slide...wasn't sure if it was evidence of a crack that paint was hiding. It could have been a casting mark/seam, but when I added all that stuff up, just couldn't pull the trigger.
The auction was so slow I left for a couple of hours, visited a fellow vise enthusiast, sold him two vises he wanted and came home with the cleanest Wilton 9350 I've ever seen...still has the original paint. Combined with he anvil, I'll take the consolation prize and be happy.
yeah I'd have walked too. Considering I saw an 8" Wilton torpedo with the swivel base go for 875...625 was ridiculous.
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fl18guy
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here a little guy I picked up this week. 22.50 might be my first ever you ****.
Outlawmws
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That offset give it a Dawn sort of flavor, but I've never seen a Dawn built quite like that. It's also unusual with the anvil space off to the side like that.
fl18guy
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bought this a few weeks ago, first chance to post any pics. Parker no 36 oval slide. never seen one of this size.
Outlawmws
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here a little guy I picked up this week. 22.50 might be my first ever you ****.
Solicited or suggested Usucks are not awarded. It has to be spontaneous.
As I have been quoted in the past: "You cannot **** yourself on GJ! it's just not done!"
That said; that is a nice find!
fl18guy
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here's a few more of the small stephens vise.
Outlawmws
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bought this a few weeks ago, first chance to post any pics. Parker no 36 oval slide. never seen one of this size.
And another nice find! You are digging deep!
fl18guy
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thanks outlaw. I have seen up to a #33 in the wild but never a 36. I did find some online info saying they made up to that size, but most ads only go to 34.
I'm glad I'm not the only one that feels that way!
oldldh
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I've been looking for a Craftsman 5197 or 5198 for a very long time...
And there are numbers that I will not go past...
It's called having that new "Super Power" --- common sense!!!
oldldh
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13 + inches of Engineer's Vice from www.Ebay.co.uk ....
Weighs over 75kgs...
That's over 165 pounds for you metrically challenged individuals...
That is a big Swivlin' B@#tard!!!
Just thought I'd post a "Cross the Ponder"...
Weighs over 75kgs...
That's over 165 pounds for you metrically challenged individuals...
That is a big Swivlin' B@#tard!!!
Just thought I'd post a "Cross the Ponder"...
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These are quite common here, very old though, I passed on a mint 6" locally last year and it was only £50, largely because there was other tools I wanted to buy and I dont often buy vices that old.