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That is awesome...That's one study work bench

Can anyone ID this vise? My first reaction was a rock island due to the swivel lock shape and three digit on dynamic jaw but I couldn't find any info on a rock island 132


I'd say your spot on with the vise being mfg by rock island. I believe you have a Rock island that was rebranded for a store hence no other casting marks. There is an example of such on practical machinist that had a atlas decal.

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Picked up this Wilton 800 bullet vise over Easter weekend. Heavy as hell. I plan to clean it up just not sure if I want a full restore or just a clean face lift. I paid $300 for it, I don't think I did to bad. My coworkers are like you over paid. I've seen smaller ones for almost the same price. I'm Happy with it and that"s all that matters, RIGHT?

That's beyond a killer deal!
 

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:lol_hitti Vise collection can be called a hobby in itself (like collecting baseball cards, coins, horseshoes, etc.). But in my wife's eyes, they are just useless pieces of junk that somehow cost a lot. I have to hide them from her
 

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I'd say your spot on with the vise being mfg by rock island. I believe you have a Rock island that was rebranded for a store hence no other casting marks. There is an example of such on practical machinist that had a atlas decal.

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Interesting I had no idea rock island did that...thanks for the info! I'll start scouring PM

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Started welding up a post vise stand today for one of my 6" vises.

The bottom place is 1/2" thick 2'x4' A36.

Why is it that big? I'm not sure yet but I thought I could add something to the back side there.


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Didn't even notice your stand...too busy staring at the background in every pic
 

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Mike,
Take all the time you need! Think of us all here as your cheer leaders!!! Not in the literal since as the thought of seeing a bunch of men, old, young, fat, skinny, ugly, cute, etc....in a cheer outfit makes me dang near dry heave! Ha!!

Get r done when the time is correct, until then keep kicking **** bud!


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this.:beer:
 

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Interesting I had no idea rock island did that...thanks for the info! I'll start scouring PM







Didn't even notice your stand...too busy staring at the background in every pic



There is some eye candy on that wall for sure. IMG_7362.JPG


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There is some eye candy on that wall for sure. IMG_7362.JPG


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You don't happen to have any big Bonney vises do you?

Also, I've been posting in the vise manufacturer thread in the vintage area but I thought I'd post it here, or maybe I already have.........

Been working on the histories and example adverts, etc. for older vise companies on my website. If enough of you are interested in contributing, I will create a "Vise Upload Form" where all your copious examples will get categorized and put under their correct manufacturer as you upload them. It'd sure be a nice way to organize the examples in this massive thread!

Here's the main link to the Vise area: http://toolarchives.com/node/41

Todd
 

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Picked up a CM 5196 vise last week. Been wanting a heritage logo one. I really like the huge bullnose with the grooves. It's a 2/55 vintage. Everything works great on it, just a little sloppy on the screw.

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Started welding up a post vise stand today for one of my 6" vises.

The bottom place is 1/2" thick 2'x4' A36.

Why is it that big? I'm not sure yet but I thought I could add something to the back side there.


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I like it! Should be a lot less of an immovable object than mine, yet still rock solid. The rings to stick hammers in are a nice touch.

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Started welding up a post vise stand today for one of my 6" vises.

The bottom place is 1/2" thick 2'x4' A36.

Why is it that big? I'm not sure yet but I thought I could add something to the back side there.


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Awesome stand I need to get one of those big post vise one day. You have a enough room on the back to have a dancing girl perform while you work , novel idea to keep a blacksmith happy :bounce:
 

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Vises I like how your Post stand is designed. It will not tip over.

Mike get healed up and take your time on the 800. I never had a bad shoulder and can only imagine how it is not good to lift heavy vises. I use a cherry picker for the big guys.
 

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I picked up this one from a friend to help clean up! It is a beastcc08e0d1912b539f5c3b77a04338321d.jpg


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How would i know it was the right one for the base??

Also can a metal shop weld a handle in for it?

JP

Post a picture of the vise showing the bottom of the base...there were a couple of styles. Then get a good measurement for the diameter from outer edge, to outer edge where the vise body rides. That will give us enough to point you in the right direction.

If you had the broken piece you could braze it back on, or get it TIG welded by someone very skilled, but it would be weak and almost certainly fail again....and look terrible. Depending upon who you believe it was made of either cast iron, ductile iron, or some sort of iron alloy, but none of them can be welded the way steel can.
 

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Post a picture of the vise showing the bottom of the base...there were a couple of styles. Then get a good measurement for the diameter from outer edge, to outer edge where the vise body rides. That will give us enough to point you in the right direction.

If you had the broken piece you could braze it back on, or get it TIG welded by someone very skilled, but it would be weak and almost certainly fail again....and look terrible. Depending upon who you believe it was made of either cast iron, ductile iron, or some sort of iron alloy, but none of them can be welded the way steel can.

Actually, cutting a piece of mild steel flat stock to shape, drilling it, and brazing it to the swivel base is a straightforward and relatively easy job......I've repaired a couple of broken-footed vises that way, one of them a Wilton swivel base like that....the Wilton is easier as the section thickness of the swivel base is relatively thin.

A brazed repair, correctly done (and it really is easy) will be every bit as strong as is the original casting.

cheers

Carla
 

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Actually, cutting a piece of mild steel flat stock to shape, drilling it, and brazing it to the swivel base is a straightforward and relatively easy job......I've repaired a couple of broken-footed vises that way, one of them a Wilton swivel base like that....the Wilton is easier as the section thickness of the swivel base is relatively thin.

A brazed repair, correctly done (and it really is easy) will be every bit as strong as is the original casting.

cheers

Carla

Relatively easy for you isn't necessarily relatively easy for someone who has to ask the question.

I don't believe for a second that a brazed repair will be every bit as strong as the original casting, but if he wants a cool vise with a Frankenstein base, I guess that's one way to go.
 

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What is it sitting on? I can't get an idea of scale.
That seems to be a strip of nails. I see what seems to be a hammer handle.
Maybe a 4 inch wide jaw...what do you think?

The nose looks weird. Not worth nearly $80 to me unless we can find out more about it.
 
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What is it sitting on? I can't get an idea of scale.
That seems to be a strip of nails. I see what seems to be a hammer handle.
Maybe a 4 inch wide jaw...what do you think?

The nose looks weird. Not worth nearly $80 to me unless we can find out more about it.

I requested more information from the owner, will update once I hear anything back.
 

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Pucman: if you'd like to just take off the swivel's base and mount your wilton swivel jaw to a bench using the two holes that would work. or build a stand for it and mount the vise for 360 degree access. or find or make a replacement swivel's base which a machinist could probably make by using your broken one as one to copy. also a machinist in your area if you know one or several members make handles you can buy if you can't make one yourself.

post up your fixes on the Vise Repair 101 thread and here's the link.

http://www.garagejournal.com/forum/showthread.php?t=252830

VISES: it's good to have a little steel and some talent to make a nice stand isn't it? WELL DONE!!

Honza: that hammer head looks a bit bigger than normal so i'd check that vise out in person. it hasn't been on that wood outside long or maybe he just put in new bolts. i can't figure out the maker, but guessing the jaw width is 5 and maybe 6 inch?
 

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Pucman: if you'd like to just take off the swivel's base and mount your wilton swivel jaw to a bench using the two holes that would work. or build a stand for it and mount the vise for 360 degree access. or find or make a replacement swivel's base which a machinist could probably make by using your broken one as one to copy. also a machinist in your area if you know one or several members make handles you can buy if you can't make one yourself.

post up your fixes on the Vise Repair 101 thread and here's the link.

http://www.garagejournal.com/forum/showthread.php?t=252830

VISES: it's good to have a little steel and some talent to make a nice stand isn't it? WELL DONE!!

Honza: that hammer head looks a bit bigger than normal so i'd check that vise out in person. it hasn't been on that wood outside long or maybe he just put in new bolts. i can't figure out the maker, but guessing the jaw width is 5 and maybe 6 inch?



Very kind! Thank you


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Did one of you guys nab that broken Reed 402 1/2 with the missing pin on eBay yesterday? ($67.52)

Joe?
 
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I threw in a token bid on that 402 1/2 ... have a pow-r-arm to put it on that would have made the broken base moot. But figured prices would get ridiculous, pretty surprised it went for as low as it did.
 

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HONZA: probably almost 100 years old so your call cause all i see is the one gash. worth more than $80 when spiffed up that is for certain. do you need it or maybe you can let a local GJ member know about it that needs a vise and wants to spend time making that one look like it can?
 

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Hello, just looking for some id help on this vise. pictures are low resultion. so sorry about that. owner says it has 8 inch jaws, measures about 33 inches from front to back .. the knob for the handle looks to be a replacement. hes estimating it weighs 400 lbs.. but im kind of skeptical on that much steel there.

heres the only two pictures i have rite now.

hopefully i can go check it out tomorrow
 

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Hello, just looking for some id help on this vise. pictures are low resultion. so sorry about that. owner says it has 8 inch jaws, measures about 33 inches from front to back .. the knob for the handle looks to be a replacement. hes estimating it weighs 400 lbs.. but im kind of skeptical on that much steel there.



heres the only two pictures i have rite now.



hopefully i can go check it out tomorrow



It's missing the Parker jaws so unless it's cheap I'd be inclined to walk to be honest. I'm pretty sure meatsis has a no 60x like that but intact.


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Hello, just looking for some id help on this vise. pictures are low resultion. so sorry about that. owner says it has 8 inch jaws, measures about 33 inches from front to back .. the knob for the handle looks to be a replacement. hes estimating it weighs 400 lbs.. but im kind of skeptical on that much steel there.

heres the only two pictures i have rite now.

hopefully i can go check it out tomorrow

Charles Parker 60x - the vise spreadsheet says it weights 265lbs
 

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It's missing the Parker jaws so unless it's cheap I'd be inclined to walk to be honest. I'm pretty sure meatsis has a no 60x like that but intact.


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ok great.. he mentioned it might of been a parker.. good looking out on the jaws. i guess ill save my money .. he was asking quiet a bit
 

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Hello, just looking for some id help on this vise. pictures are low resultion. so sorry about that. owner says it has 8 inch jaws, measures about 33 inches from front to back .. the knob for the handle looks to be a replacement. hes estimating it weighs 400 lbs.. but im kind of skeptical on that much steel there.

heres the only two pictures i have rite now.

hopefully i can go check it out tomorrow


That Parker is a beast! I've seen them listed as 265 lbs. But mine weighed in at 285 on my scale. The jaw support is bigger than any I've seen on any vise. Including my 8" Athol's. Here it is next a really old 8" Athol #97. Just shows you how big it is.

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That Parker is a beast! I've seen them listed as 265 lbs. But mine weighed in at 285 on my scale. The jaw support is bigger than any I've seen on any vise. Including my 8" Athol's. Here it is next a really old 8" Athol #97. Just shows you how big it is.

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wow that is a beast for sure
is there any gj'ers on here making jaws for them? or maybe someone with a surplus?
 

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Relatively easy for you isn't necessarily relatively easy for someone who has to ask the question.

I don't believe for a second that a brazed repair will be every bit as strong as the original casting, but if he wants a cool vise with a Frankenstein base, I guess that's one way to go.

Hello, Chris,

I thought I'd respond to the 'Frankenstein' image, for the folks here.....but, first.....

Yes, if one could simply find the part on ebay, or if a replacement part which would fit and work was available 'off the shelf' from the Wilton works, that would, ever so obviously, be the optimal repair.

The next level of 'optimal' would be to ask Kevin Scott to make a replacement base from steel plate, with his CNC mill. The photos he has posted on this forum of replacement swivel bases he made by CNC-milling were some truly excellent work.

And........yes, agreed, the person who put in the photo of the broken-footed base, and the query about mending it, may have no background in, and no interest whatever, in doing any metalworking repairs.

With reference to that specific vise, since it is an uncommon and desirable variant, I'd think he could readily trade it off for a more common type of vise, but one in excellent usable condition, ready to be put to work. As may be seen in the photo, that vise also needs the main screw hub sleeved to suit the handle, and a new handle made. Those are a simple, easy project for any reasonably capable metalworker who would find amusement and personal satisfaction in properly restoring that one.

It seems probable that you'd just never had the occasion to see castings which have been repaired as 'best practice' in welding or brazing work......and, true enough, there is a lot of bad work out in the field, done by people who didn't take the time to learn to do casting repair correctly.

That said, proper casting repair by brazing may be as much 'art' as science, but, if you'd care to, you could look up some of the internet fora for blacksmiths and metalworkers, for stories and photos of this class of work......whether art or science, lots of metalworkers routinely do best practice casting repair, including the building-up of castings which are missing bits and pieces, by brazing-in suitable shapes of steel.

There is, of course, a caveat......much of this class of casting restoration is often done for amusement, by various metalworkers, as it is, rather obviously, not commercially feasible to invest '$X' worth of professional working time in a casting which may be worth only '.5X$' when done.

That broken-footed vise base is an excellent candidate for a braze repair, and, as a simple, easy job of its class, would be a really good practice opportunity for a newbie metalworker, who has developed their basic brazing skills, and is willing to take the time to make a proper job of it.

As to the 'Frankenstein' image........yes, lots of really ugly weld/braze work has been done, and, sadly, doubtless will continue to be done. Likewise, all too many unsound welds/brazes will continue to be done, by the ignorant or careless folks among us.

'Best practice' casting repair is really easy to learn, for a high quality aesthetic finish. One may make several passes to build up an area by brazing, a bit oversize of the desired finish contour, then use a disc-sander, and a die-grinder to 'fair in' the flats and radii to match the original contour.

This may involve several diameters of carbide rotary files, and several diameters of sanding-drums and polishing-bobs for the die-grinder. Its quite easy, with a bit of practice, to 'sweep-in' the desired radii with a nearly correct diameter of polishing-bob.

With the fettling done correctly, it will be difficult to see the repair, once the part is nicely painted. I've found that the repaired area may be noticeable, to close inspection, by being smoother than the rest of the casting, so one may deal with that by polishing the casting a bit, to minimise contrast, or 'stippling' the repaired area.

All this said, I'm not suggesting that you get involved in learning casting repair on such as old vises......it does take some investment in time and motivation to learn the skills involved, and.....well....except for one's own amusement, it doesn't pay..... : )

cheers

Carla
 

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Good day,

Any of the vise thread folks out there own both a Parker 60 and 60X, and can comment on commonality of parts between them?

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Hello, Chris,



I thought I'd respond to the 'Frankenstein' image, for the folks here.....but, first.....



Yes, if one could simply find the part on ebay, or if a replacement part which would fit and work was available 'off the shelf' from the Wilton works, that would, ever so obviously, be the optimal repair.



The next level of 'optimal' would be to ask Kevin Scott to make a replacement base from steel plate, with his CNC mill. The photos he has posted on this forum of replacement swivel bases he made by CNC-milling were some truly excellent work.



And........yes, agreed, the person who put in the photo of the broken-footed base, and the query about mending it, may have no background in, and no interest whatever, in doing any metalworking repairs.



With reference to that specific vise, since it is an uncommon and desirable variant, I'd think he could readily trade it off for a more common type of vise, but one in excellent usable condition, ready to be put to work. As may be seen in the photo, that vise also needs the main screw hub sleeved to suit the handle, and a new handle made. Those are a simple, easy project for any reasonably capable metalworker who would find amusement and personal satisfaction in properly restoring that one.



It seems probable that you'd just never had the occasion to see castings which have been repaired as 'best practice' in welding or brazing work......and, true enough, there is a lot of bad work out in the field, done by people who didn't take the time to learn to do casting repair correctly.



That said, proper casting repair by brazing may be as much 'art' as science, but, if you'd care to, you could look up some of the internet fora for blacksmiths and metalworkers, for stories and photos of this class of work......whether art or science, lots of metalworkers routinely do best practice casting repair, including the building-up of castings which are missing bits and pieces, by brazing-in suitable shapes of steel.



There is, of course, a caveat......much of this class of casting restoration is often done for amusement, by various metalworkers, as it is, rather obviously, not commercially feasible to invest '$X' worth of professional working time in a casting which may be worth only '.5X$' when done.



That broken-footed vise base is an excellent candidate for a braze repair, and, as a simple, easy job of its class, would be a really good practice opportunity for a newbie metalworker, who has developed their basic brazing skills, and is willing to take the time to make a proper job of it.



As to the 'Frankenstein' image........yes, lots of really ugly weld/braze work has been done, and, sadly, doubtless will continue to be done. Likewise, all too many unsound welds/brazes will continue to be done, by the ignorant or careless folks among us.



'Best practice' casting repair is really easy to learn, for a high quality aesthetic finish. One may make several passes to build up an area by brazing, a bit oversize of the desired finish contour, then use a disc-sander, and a die-grinder to 'fair in' the flats and radii to match the original contour.



This may involve several diameters of carbide rotary files, and several diameters of sanding-drums and polishing-bobs for the die-grinder. Its quite easy, with a bit of practice, to 'sweep-in' the desired radii with a nearly correct diameter of polishing-bob.



With the fettling done correctly, it will be difficult to see the repair, once the part is nicely painted. I've found that the repaired area may be noticeable, to close inspection, by being smoother than the rest of the casting, so one may deal with that by polishing the casting a bit, to minimise contrast, or 'stippling' the repaired area.



All this said, I'm not suggesting that you get involved in learning casting repair on such as old vises......it does take some investment in time and motivation to learn the skills involved, and.....well....except for one's own amusement, it doesn't pay..... : )



cheers



Carla



Excellent summary!

PS someone recently posted the suggestion of laying coarse sandpaper over the repair and tapping with a hammer to produce a texture similar to the original casting. I thought that was a great idea and plan to try it soon.


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