The VISES of Garage Journal

[IHmachinery]

Ok, this might be a issue, I will raise the bars above the bottom. I really think my charger is not working the best. I see veeps uses a 10 amp charger, mine I run wide open at 200 amps, should work. I'll try a different charger too. Thanks JKB







Veeps, your setup looks great and wow such a small charger. I have yet to see a clean vise after the cleaning, and how long does it really take per electrolysis cook. I like how you connect each corner, I will keep trying.



I use aircraft stripper where it does not bother my skin, no gloves used and the paint is off in a short time. I will stay with stripper instead of the simple green for the paint removal and try to get my electrolysis to work for the rust. I work on vises and vise parts every day and have to be very efficient in my time, using a wire wheel is to slow, messy and a little dangerous with the bristles flying around. I will keep on trying to get the rust issue figured out because I think it should give me a clean rust free vise. Thanks guys.

Kevin, I suspect that the problem is actually that you are setting your charger at 200 amps. That setting is just for short-term battery boosting and I don't think the charger will run long at that amperage (I think they shut off after a short time as a safety feature to prevent you from overcharging your battery). I would suggest trying at a low amperage and see if you have better luck. It does not actually take much current for the electrolysis process to work.


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[drivesitfar]

Kevin: Fretters i think cooks his stuff in his outdoor Electrolysis tank at about 1.5 amps to add to what IH just mentioned.

slow and steady is the best from all i've heard.

 

[IHmachinery]

Kevin: Fretters i think cooks his stuff in his outdoor Electrolysis tank at about 1.5 amps to add to what IH just mentioned.



slow and steady is the best from all i've heard.

Yes, it is one of those instances where 'more' is not actually better [emoji3]


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[joe.striper]

Just got in from the road with this in my car...

Rock island 577($70), 2.5" fulton (35), 4" athol ratchet (45) , Fisher Norris sawyers anvil (60), 4.5" wilton bullet, 5" parker 435 (100) maybe 1 or 2 more...pics tomorrow.

 

[FMC1959]

An anvil for a Reed? What do you guys think, is this factory or homemade? Looks cast is the only reason I ask, typically not the diy add-on one sees.

https://maine.craigslist.org/tls/6098191114.html

trijeff, it took me 3 hours to find it; clearly I am lacking VA's searching skills.
http://www.garagejournal.com/forum/showpost.php?p=4005611&postcount=16596

A guy in Maine was selling it for $50, could be the same guy selling it back then or the guy who bought. For sure it is the same vise.

 

[Outlawmws]

Wasn't the conclusion that it was factory made?

 

[bagged89s10]

Pic of my simple green tank. I filled one empty gallon of simple green with water and through it in the tank to displace some solution. Saved me from having to buy more simple green.

 

[Outlawmws]

Dr. Scott: ditto on the low amps.. I usually use mine at 6V as well, I've never seen it go above 2-3 amps and is usually under 2.

The E tank WILL remove paint, unless its been put on extremely well, as in perfect prep. It does not like oil grease and gunge however... Its line of site and if oil/gunge is blocking that...

 

[bagged89s10]

Dr. Scott: ditto on the low amps.. I usually use mine at 6V as well, I've never seen it go above 2-3 amps and is usually under 2.

The E tank WILL remove paint, unless its been put on extremely well, as in perfect prep. It does not like oil grease and gunge however... Its line of site and if oil/gunge is blocking that...

Maybe that's what I remember. Oil and grease stopping everything.

 

[bagged89s10]

So far this is the rustiest Parker swivel base I've taken apart.

 

[dutchgray]

Thanks for the correction.

Well, the Parkinsons were certainly built to last. How much does the 9a weigh?

146 lb I believe. I haven't actually weighed it to see if the catalogues are accurate.

 

[visedog]

146 lb I believe. I haven't actually weighed it to see if the catalogues are accurate.

Wow, that's heavy duty! Can you lift it by yourself?

 

[Duckslapper]

Duck: your handle on your original parker looked ok other than a few dings (character marks) and it was straight, but it looks like you changed it or made a new one. did you cut of the original handle or just exchange the screw off another vise?



looks great and some of those retainers were made of bronze and if your is just shining it up might be an option, but yours looks like cast steel so painting might work just fine too.



fishing with the little ones sounds like fun. my parents used to take us to the U Fish ponds where they would pay a couple bucks and we'd get a fish or two or three guaranteed.

Drivesitfar- the picture of the original is quite deceiving. The handle is bent significantly, it's just bending straight away from the camera so you can't tell. Regrettably I did cut the old one off, and it's still eating at me. Wish I would have spent some time with it on the press trying to straighten it.

Fishing with my 18 month old and 3 year old at the farm pond I grew up fishing was a blast. Kids each caught a few blue gills before my son found out it was more fun to chase my daughter around with worms!


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[GETRIDAONE]

It doesn't get any better than that ! Great pictures. .

 

[KMScott]

OK, I have some new settings to try. 200 amps is to much, I hate electrical stuff. Thanks guys. Still would like to see what a piece looks like out of the e-tank. Veeps has a great example with his Parker base. Outlaw, running at 6Volts how long would a small 3" static take to clean with no paint. I remove all the oil and grease before going in the bath. Sorry guys for being a pain here but I am a metal guy and no nothing about electrical stuff. If I can not see it it does not exist. Peeing on a electric fence as a kid is the cause of my ignorance.

 

[FMC1959]

Wasn't the conclusion that it was factory made?

Yes, we never had ads or anything conclusive, but all who commented believed it had to be factory.

Just regular simple green full strength, undiluted.

Thanks

 

[MissileBear]

Two new additions to the collection from the past few months. I missed out on a few good deals and dealt with a couple of scumbags that did the ol "post on CL and then inform me that the vise was actually on Ebay and to bid there" routine.

Picked up this Starrett-Athol 924 from a shop that made prosthetics. The owner used a wrench to tighten the vise but it is still in pretty good condition minus the handle. The machining on this vise is very nice.

Today's score is my first Wilton vise. I've never been a big fan of the bullet vises simply because I prefer most of the other vintage iron. I found an ad for an estate sale which simply listed "large Wilton vice" so I made the hour drive. Turned out to be a very clean No. 6 priced pretty reasonably. It followed me home....now I have to educate myself on Wilton bullets before I tear it down.

Outlaw, running at 6Volts how long would a small 3" static take to clean with no paint. I remove all the oil and grease before going in the bath.

Not that you asked for my input - but I thought I'd share a revelation I had when I started doing electrolysis with a 6 volt charger. Hot water in hot weather makes this process go much faster.

 

[GETRIDAONE]

Kevin,. Cleaned off one ear to make good contact. My tub is super nasty and it still works. The 3rd picture is after one hour just out of the tub. Last picture is after rinsing with hose and about 5 minutes of wire brushing then dry with a rag. It needs to go back in for another round to get the inside corners of the base a little better.
You can't see it in pictures but if it is bubbling and swirling around it's working. The charger is set on 2 amps.

 

[Bobioz1]

OK, I have some new settings to try. 200 amps is to much, I hate electrical stuff. Thanks guys. Still would like to see what a piece looks like out of the e-tank. Veeps has a great example with his Parker base. Outlaw, running at 6Volts how long would a small 3" static take to clean with no paint. I remove all the oil and grease before going in the bath. Sorry guys for being a pain here but I am a metal guy and no nothing about electrical stuff. If I can not see it it does not exist. Peeing on a electric fence as a kid is the cause of my ignorance.

If your trying to remove the rust "inside" that casting, you'll have to run the rebar through it. As in line of sight. The outside dosen't look that rusty to me. I've yet to pull anything out of the bath that didn't need more work with a wire brush or wheel.

 

[joe.striper]

Got all this yesterday. Vises are disassembled so I can move them. Lots of uncommon vises here...

 

[KMScott]

Thanks Get and Bobioz1. One hour, wow. nope not getting results like that but do get some bubbles from the electrodes and work piece. This weekend I'll try again. Maybe the cold is a factor since I do this out side in the mountains. Warm weather is not in my picture since we are getting hammered with snow tonight. But makes total sense that warm water is better then cold. If the rust will not come out of the center with out risking a center electrode then this e-tank stuff is not for me. Buying a trickle charger today dedicated to e-tank. Thanks guys.

 

[KMScott]

Got all this yesterday. Vises are disassembled so I can move them. Lots of uncommon vises here...

Joe, you got another ratcheting Athol. Nice collection as usual. Where do you store these? Gotta be running out of room.

 

[drivesitfar]

Joe: hard to believe your Parker dwarfs the Rock Island 577. i won't comment on your prices and won't be sad if you get a LOW OFFER on anything you sell either.

GEESH you have maybe a better magnet than Gman does.

just curious if it's legal to just keep setting up tents in your backyard and when open up Joe's Swap meet sort of a Sanford and Son's set up so you won't have to ship all those you've found?

ALL: not any vise sales or finds yet today, but the day is young. best of luck to all of you.

cheers

 

[drivesitfar]

Joe, Bagged, Jake and all of you that have vats of Simple Green: how much do you pour in a vat/container and how long does it last? do you cover it up to keep air out or strain it and how often? also can you buy SG in concentrated form and just add water? how much can you dilute it? post here or on the 101 thread if you have time to. thanks


Duckslapper: maybe the best vice of them all. thanks for taking the time to smell the roses and teach and play with the kids and for posting up a picture.

 

[bagged89s10]

Thanks Get and Bobioz1. One hour, wow. nope not getting results like that but do get some bubbles from the electrodes and work piece. This weekend I'll try again. Maybe the cold is a factor since I do this out side in the mountains. Warm weather is not in my picture since we are getting hammered with snow tonight. But makes total sense that warm water is better then cold. If the rust will not come out of the center with out risking a center electrode then this e-tank stuff is not for me. Buying a trickle charger today dedicated to e-tank. Thanks guys.

The temperature has nothing to do with it. Two winters ago I had at least 1 vise in my tank all winter and they kept de-rusting. Don't worry too much about the inside, it will get clean if you anodes all the way around your tank.

 

[joe.striper]

Rev Scott: i am out of room...again! Notice they are all outside? Got to make room this weekend. Two belong to a GJer who i bought them for LATE last night.

Drivesit: i have a 15 gallon Cast Iron sink I'm using with a lid Ive made. I mounted it into an outside wooden bench. I connected a drain and pipe off of the original drain. To filter it I open the petcock on the 1.5" dran pipe and all the settled material drains out with 2-3 gallons of SG into a bucket with 2x towels to filter big material. Then I just pour it back into the sink. It never stops working...so far.

 

[dutchgray]

Wow, that's heavy duty! Can you lift it by yourself?

Not in one piece, its not the weight, its just how awkward it is to get a hold of. I pick up 120 lb, 2 bags of cement often, but they are easy to carry.
Its hard work to move any distance even in two pieces.

 

[454ragtop]

Went to a yard sale this AM, only a couple miles away. Picked up this Parker 87 combo, missing the handle, but has the pipe jaws. Seller had this one, the broken Parker non swiveler shown below, and an older thru the bench type, with no mounting hardware at all. When I saw them I asked "How much for the vises?" "$50." I'm thinking, hmmm, must be for all 3 since they obviously have different values. Nope, it's each. So I point out the combo is missing the handle, the other Parker is badly broken, and there is no hardware for the third. OK he says, I'll take $30 for the one with no hardware, the other 2 are from the 1800's and are $50. ea. I offer $40. for the combo, he says meet me halfway, OK. So I buy it , look around, pick up a couple other small tools, we're talking, he seems like a nice enough guy. I'd like to have the broken Parker for the screw/handle for the combo, and the collar may fit the other Parker I picked up last week. Asked if he didn't sell it by tomorrow, would he take less for the broken vise? "Nah, that's an antique, I can sell it on Ebay. If I cut the handle off it will fit in a flat rate box and I can ship it for $15.00" Whatever, he's got me so baffled with his reasoning I don't even notice the swivel lock on the Parker till I get home. Obviously not original, but it seems to work fine.

 

[Tonellin]

Got all this yesterday. Vises are disassembled so I can move them. Lots of uncommon vises here...

Nice score!!

 

[MissileBear]

The temperature has nothing to do with it. Two winters ago I had at least 1 vise in my tank all winter and they kept de-rusting. Don't worry too much about the inside, it will get clean if you anodes all the way around your tank.

I have not had the same results. At 6 volts the electrolysis slowed considerably at winter temps, often taking days to do any kind of noticeable rust removal. I don't even do electrolysis in winter anymore for this reason.

That said, western NY gets very cold in the winter, and my electrolysis bath was a solid block this year, even with all the sodium carbonate dissolved.

 

[GETRIDAONE]

Got all this yesterday. Vises are disassembled so I can move them. Lots of uncommon vises here...

Joe, The vise in the E tank picture above is the Parker you got for me back when you first bit by the "Vise Bug" It seems like a long time ago.

 

[jrobb316]

It's been a long time since I've posted. After moving the entire vise collection I said I was done and let a few go. I still ocassionally look and will let more go as time goes on. However I found a rock island 577 today for under $100 with one broken mounting ear. I picked her up, she's In real nice shape except for that. I already have one so I have another base I can model a repair after or wait for one to show up. Either way I'm happy!

 

[drivesitfar]

JROBB: we all know you were just in Vice for Vises rehab and happy to see you survived.

just letting you know that once you start getting 577's together more will show up and not easy to move around or ship as you probably know.

cheers and welcome back.

Joe: thanks for the 411 on your simple green. so you didn't like the Sanford and Son comparison? that show used to make me laugh and i bet i'd be smiling showing up to look at your VISE HOARD you've acquired even though you've sold a few.

cheers

 

[mike_paxton]

Picked up a Littlestown #450 vise this afternoon.

Mike

 

[joe.striper]

Joe, The vise in the E tank picture above is the Parker you got for me back when you first bit by the "Vise Bug" It seems like a long time ago.

Yeah bit badly. What model was that? Did it have a broken slide? Let me know if it did, I may have a replacement I'd send to you for the cost of shipping.

 

[GETRIDAONE]

It is a 973 1/2 with a beat up static jaw. A little work and it will be good to go for another 60 years.

 

[ptgarcia]

Can anyone identify any of these and tell me if they're worth spending an hour in traffic to acquire? The guy wants $150 for them all (5 total). I don't want them all and would only make the trip if one is worth getting. Thanks!

 

[jrobb316]

JROBB: we all know you were just in Vice for Vises rehab and happy to see you survived.

just letting you know that once you start getting 577's together more will show up and not easy to move around or ship as you probably know.

cheers and welcome back.

Joe: thanks for the 411 on your simple green. so you didn't like the Sanford and Son comparison? that show used to make me laugh and i bet i'd be smiling showing up to look at your VISE HOARD you've acquired even though you've sold a few.

cheers

I didn't think 577s would be a common item. Looks like Joe just found one too. The pickings here are not bad but it's no where near vise heaven. There sure can't be many out there.

 

[joe.striper]

My 577 is missing the swivel bolt underneath . Anyone have one for sale or can I get dimensions so I can make one?

 

[bagged89s10]

My 577 is missing the swivel bolt underneath . Anyone have one for sale or can I get dimensions so I can make one?

Are you talking about the center swivel bolt?