The VISES of Garage Journal

[jakemac]

Great price on the Walworth, the asking prices are usually much higher.
That's one of the few open screw vise's that I consider worth bothering with.

 

[Steel A Rod]

Finally finished up the Parker 436 and base.
Thought I would share a few photos.
It looks pretty, but it was meant to be, and will be used.
The stripping was done by Paul Quinn, some of you car and bike guys have probably heard of him. Great guy, with Great skills.

 

[va.grouseman]

Steel, you can't use that.---It would be like making out your grocery list on a Picasso.---You will just have to find you another 436 and don't do anything to it.

 

[Outlawmws]

Incredible detailing Rod! Very cool!

 

[trijeff]

WOW! So dang impressive. Incredible work.

 

[KMScott]

Steel, awesome job. Put it to work. Some nice vises being shown.

 

[royce]

Steel,
Excellent craftsmanship and design
Always good to see them go to work.
Well done and thanks for showing.

Royce

 

[Tennessee Cattleman]

That's one sharp looking vise and stand, Steel. Just don't get a torch in 10' of it, lol.

 

[FMC1959]

Just dragged this beast home today. It sat at $40 for a week, then in the last hour of the auction got jacked up to $140. I had a max bid in at $150, so I ended up with for about $150 after taxes.

Columbian 206 M2:
That's a full size hand truck under it, but that monster vise makes it look like a toy.

It was a lot more than I have ever paid for a vise, but I had never seen one this big in person, so I had to bid on it.

Great vise, I have the 4 1/2" version, about 70 lbs. I would love to have a 6", 160 pounds like yours, great buy you did there.

Picked up this awesome Walworth for $50. Not a ton on info out there on these vises but it looks like it was made on Congress st in Boston between 1982-1911, which is very cool because my old office building was on the corner of Congress st which is in the financial district of downtown Boston.

Another cool bit on info is that James Walworth introduced steam heat to the United States, installing the first steam heating system into a house in Lowell, MA in the early 1840's. He was also contracted to redo the heating system in the White House in 1853 for president Franklin Pierce

I know open screw vises don't get a ton of love around these parts but the screw on this thing is absolutely massive for it's size. The screw has a diameter of 1 3/8" and I think the vise weighs around 70-75lbs. I have it sitting next to a Reed 104 1/2 which weighs 60lbs and the Walworth is substantially heavier.

Jaws are 4 3/4", they open 8 1/2" and it has a massive 16 3/4" handle which has a threaded end

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Very nice, has similarities to the Reed Steamfitters vise, they look all business.

Finally finished up the Parker 436 and base.
Thought I would share a few photos.
It looks pretty, but it was meant to be, and will be used.
The stripping was done by Paul Quinn, some of you car and bike guys have probably heard of him. Great guy, with Great skills.

Damn, I would put that next to the Poker table, it would make for an excellent nutcracker

 

[Mister J]

Came across an ad for a Record no 3 with a swivel base still in the box. Wasn't a screaming hot deal, but I paid less than I would have had I bought it brand new at the store myself. The lady I got it from said her husband bought it years ago and never even took it out of the box. I asked if she knew when he bought it and she said she didn't know, she was just glad she didn't have to call the neighbor over to move it again. Anyway, it's mint. Still has the grease from the factory all over it. Has the bolt holes instead of the more recent slots so I'm guessing it's been sitting in the box for what? 15-20 years? Maybe longer?

I also picked up a 3 inch Yost about a week ago. These USA vises are pretty much unheard of around here. It's pretty beefy for a 3 inch, built really solid. Looks like somebody closed the jaws all the way and sprayed blue all over everything but other than that it's pretty much new. I took it all apart and there doesn't even seem to be a scratch that goes deeper than the paint. The old guy I got it from got a really confused look on his face when I asked him where he got it, all he could say for sure was that he had it for the last 5 or 6 years. I paid $30 for it.














Edit: How do I group attachments/thumbnails in a nice little box like I see other guys do?

 

[dutchgray]

Mister J
Irwin bought them in 1998 so then or older as they would have rebranded the boxes pretty quickly, they merged with Ridgeway in 1972, but that type came about sometime in the 1980's
$30 for a 3" Yost has got to be a good deal.

 

[Outlawmws]

Edit: How do I group attachments/thumbnails in a nice little box like I see other guys do?

Upload directly to the forum:

Steps 1-3 gets the thumbnails. After that its for posting full size. You can also get the menu from the "paper Clip" button.

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[eddieK]

Fretters
I am not sure if it is the color that has improved now or all the positive psychic influence of fellow vise nuts but now that I have assembled it, I actually see it looks really nice and I like it.

Thanks again
007

This vise nut likes it...

 

[eddieK]

Something ain't right: My 6" Paramo swivel base outweighs a record 8"

And it ain't drop forged either?

Yeah...My paramo 5" with swivel base weighs 75 Lbs

 

[eddieK]

finally finished up the parker 436 and base.
Thought i would share a few photos.
It looks pretty, but it was meant to be, and will be used.
The stripping was done by paul quinn, some of you car and bike guys have probably heard of him. Great guy, with great skills.

nice

 

[Steevo]

Nice find Steevo! What's that mother weigh?

Provincial was right on with the specs.
No pipe jaws, and my vice weighed in at a hair over 160#

 

[wazzabie]

Provincial - Thank you for sharing this! I have been looking for catalog pages for a long time. Would you please provide a second copy of the attachments. The scan unfortunately is not clear. I have several attachments for these devices and I'm interested in reading about them.

A couple of catalog pages with Odin Vises. General Tool, Portland OR. 1937 if I remember correctly.

 

[wazzabie]

The photo below is of a Odin Universal Corporation Vise to include some of the attachments. The red wrench has raised lettering Odin Universal Corporation.

The vises were designed and built by three brothers with the last name Odin in Chicago. I'm related to them and have some old pictures. They had a large machine shop and were inventors between 1920s-early 1950s. The vise I have was a prototype I was told. It was given to my grandparents who had invested a small amount into the business. The Odin brothers were trying to get Sears to sell the vises but Sears never did. When the deal went south they gave my grandparents a vise. The vise was too costly according to Sears. The Odins invented many different types of vises and were master machinists.


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[sandman54]

Good morning, when u rotate the jaws 180 do those tools fit in the bottom side of the dynamic jaw? Sandman

 

[bl00]

Wazzabie, can you post some photos with the jaws removed? -Thanks. Cool vise!

 

[Tonellin]

Wazzabie that vise is awesome!!



I've got this Reed 104 1/2 I'm cleaning up for a friend. Did some work buffing the jaw inserts and slides in prep for paint but I'm having difficulty with the lead screw. When unscrewing the slide it seems to travel in an oblong motion instead of a circular motion. It binds when the handle is straight up and down, then is smooth when the handle is horizontal and it does that the entire way in and out. Any tips??

 

[drivesitfar]

STEEVO: is that your first 6 inch wide jaw OLD SCHOOL VISE? i bet if it is you realize now how some of us felt and why we like them. i've still yet to own a 8 inch pre WWII vise and not that i NEED ONE, but i'd like one and those weigh upwards of 250 pounds. i don't always show the love for Columbian cause they mass produce vises now that have a lot lower quality than the ones they made pre WWII, but they are great old vises.

WAZZ: yes i agree if you can post up 10 or more pictures of that awesome vise with all the jaws in and even from under it cause it's also got a very unique base to it.

at the time Sears had a lot of good vise companies making vises for them such as Rock Island, Reed and we still are not sure who made the 519x's for them that is a very high quality vise so having a top of the line machinist vise like your relatives made probably wasn't easy to mass produce or sell very many. it's a very cool vise and does the family still have a patent for it or did they get that far?

thanks for sharing and would love to see more if you have time to post more pictures and information.

STEEL: WOW!!

 

[wazzabie]

Good morning, when u rotate the jaws 180 do those tools fit in the bottom side of the dynamic jaw? Sandman

The base joint rotates 360. The plane the jaws are on also rotates 360 if they are moved away from the base. There is a set screw on the side of the jaws that hold the attachments in the style of vise that I have. The jaws can be attached in several positions to the dynamic jaw.

I have seen some photos where there is not a set screw in the side of the jaw and there is a different method to secure the attachment.

 

[PghJKB]

The base joint rotates 360. The plane the jaws are on also rotates 360 if the are moved away from the base. There is a set screw on the side of the jaws that hold the attachments in the style of vise that I have. The jaws can be attached in several positions to the dynamic jaw.

I have seen some photos where there is not a set screw in the side of the jaw and there is a different method to secure the attachment.

wazzabie
Have found three patents issued to the E.A. Odin. Here are the links to USPTO where you can view the original documents.

#1738822 Issued 10 Dec 1929
http://pdfpiw.uspto.gov/.piw?PageNu...1=1738822.PN.%26OS=pn/1738822%26RS=PN/1738822

#1818501 Issued 11 Aug 1931
http://pdfpiw.uspto.gov/.piw?PageNu...1=1818501.PN.%26OS=pn/1818501%26RS=PN/1818501

#2679178 Issued 25 May 1954
http://pdfpiw.uspto.gov/.piw?PageNu...1=2679178.PN.%26OS=pn/2679178%26RS=PN/2679178

Very cool vise, impressive to see one complete.

JKB

 

[Provincial]

Scans from the General Tool Co. catalog of 1939. General was located in Portland, OR.

 

[wazzabie]

The patents have long since expired. According to the scans that Provincial kindly shared this style of vise looks very much like what is in the catalog. I have some attachments not pictured in the catalog also. The other attachment allows for wood to be attached for a wood jaw. I'll share some more photos.

It would be great if someone wanted to make some new attachments for these. They are drop steel forged.

STEEVO: is that your first 6 inch wide jaw OLD SCHOOL VISE? i bet if it is you realize now how some of us felt and why we like them. i've still yet to own a 8 inch pre WWII vise and not that i NEED ONE, but i'd like one and those weigh upwards of 250 pounds. i don't always show the love for Columbian cause they mass produce vises now that have a lot lower quality than the ones they made pre WWII, but they are great old vises.

WAZZ: yes i agree if you can post up 10 or more pictures of that awesome vise with all the jaws in and even from under it cause it's also got a very unique base to it.

at the time Sears had a lot of good vise companies making vises for them such as Rock Island, Reed and we still are not sure who made the 519x's for them that is a very high quality vise so having a top of the line machinist vise like your relatives made probably wasn't easy to mass produce or sell very many. it's a very cool vise and does the family still have a patent for it or did they get that far?

thanks for sharing and would love to see more if you have time to post more pictures and information.

STEEL: WOW!!

 

[gman007]

When vise nutness becomes a general populace nut mania and anyone with any kind of old vise in any shape thinks they have struck gold. The guy (may be gal ) is asking for $200 for a vise with broken static jaw (I am not sure how the jaw insert is even staying in place)

Granted if it was not badly damaged, the vise seems like a nice one - Rock Island 41/2" jaws, swivel base, weighs 75~80 lbs, there is no raised vise model number but here is plate which is not legible in the photo, is this a 574?? but then where is the raised model number on the static jaw?

 

[wazzabie]

Note sure if I understand completely. Your vise is a different type and does not look to be an Odin. It seams like the tolerances in the Oldin are much tighter by design. Maybe there is intended to be some play in your vise. Have you tried to grease the lead screw?

Wazzabie that vise is awesome!!



I've got this Reed 104 1/2 I'm cleaning up for a friend. Did some work buffing the jaw inserts and slides in prep for paint but I'm having difficulty with the lead screw. When unscrewing the slide it seems to travel in an oblong motion instead of a circular motion. It binds when the handle is straight up and down, then is smooth when the handle is horizontal and it does that the entire way in and out. Any tips??

 

[gman007]

Note sure if I understand completely. Your vise is a different type and does not look to be an Odin. It seams like the tolerances in the Oldin are much tighter by design. Maybe there is intended to be some play in your vise. Have you tried to grease the lead screw?

wazzabie
It seems the first part of the Tonellin's post was directed at you and the nice Odin.

The second part of the post seems to be directed to general audience and has no relation to Odin.
007

 

[Tonellin]

wazzabie
It seems the first part of the Tonellin's post was directed at you and the nice Odin.

The second part of the post seems to be directed to general audience and has no relation to Odin.
007

Yup!

Sorry for the confusion wazzabie...still waiting on more pics of your Odin though

 

[gman007]

Wazzabie that vise is awesome!!



I've got this Reed 104 1/2 I'm cleaning up for a friend. Did some work buffing the jaw inserts and slides in prep for paint but I'm having difficulty with the lead screw. When unscrewing the slide it seems to travel in an oblong motion instead of a circular motion. It binds when the handle is straight up and down, then is smooth when the handle is horizontal and it does that the entire way in and out. Any tips??

Tonellin
May be this is asking the obvious but is there damage to the screw threads? I had a Columbian machinist vise for a very short time which had kind of similar issue ad upon checking the screw, there was some deformation on the thread which almost looked like weld beads (see photo) which caused it to bind while turning at a particular spot (the guy who sold it to me was nice enough to take it back)

The other question is the hole in the dynamic jaw where the cork screw is inserted enlarged or loose and is it aligned correctly with the screw nut? And is the screw straight and true?
007

 

[Tonellin]

Tonellin
May be this is asking the obvious but is there damage to the screw threads? I had a Columbian machinist vise for a very short time which had kind of similar issue ad upon checking the screw, there was some deformation on the thread which almost looked like weld beads (see photo) which caused it to bind while turning at a particular spot (the guy who sold it to me was nice enough to take it back)

The other question is the hole in the dynamic jaw where the cork screw is inserted enlarged or loose and is it aligned correctly with the screw nut? And is the screw straight and true?
007

No damage to the screw threads but you might be on to something with the hole in the dynamic jaw. When I line up the collar to tighten it on the main screw I have to try and balance the screw perfectly in the hole or it flops to one side. I double check tonight thanks

 

[G-ManBart]

I've got this Reed 104 1/2 I'm cleaning up for a friend. Did some work buffing the jaw inserts and slides in prep for paint but I'm having difficulty with the lead screw. When unscrewing the slide it seems to travel in an oblong motion instead of a circular motion. It binds when the handle is straight up and down, then is smooth when the handle is horizontal and it does that the entire way in and out. Any tips?

I'd remove the spindle and make sure the screw isn't bent, as well as look for any issues where the spindle goes through the front of the dynamic jaw....unusual wear, etc. You should only have to remove a set collar on the inside of the dynamic jaw to get the spindle out.

 

[Hoppychoppy]

I didnt now this forum existed untill i was searching for vice parts. I didnt know other people had a vice collection problem. Haha

This is my most recent project. I'm also working on a wilton 840 we and a parker 954 with a stripped main nut.

 

[drivesitfar]

Tone: i agree with GMan that it might even be a bent screw that you won't be able to see while it's in the vise. since your vise is maybe 80 years old no telling who's had their hands on it or what it's been through. old guys used to toss these little guys by their handles (ask me how i know) and I still see their grandsons and sons do the same thing.

hopefully it's just something small to fix.

WAZZ: i'd love to see more pictures and since your vise isn't common might be considered ONE OF A KIND you might want to start a thread on it where the members can post all this cool stuff they are finding over there and then maybe post recaps over here once in a while. nothing looks cheap or HOKEY about that vise and guessing WWII with all it's restrictions on manufacturing had a lot to do with it not becoming a well known name in this thread and in vises in general. thanks in advance for whatever pictures and more information you find about it.

 

[wazzabie]

Were most old USA made vises back in the day... the Rock Islands, Reeds, Wilburton, etc. made using drop forge alloy steel?

 

[wazzabie]

I'll post some more photos and more about the history. I actually started a thread long time ago but no one responded. It is just in recent years that Odin vises have started to surface.

http://www.garagejournal.com/forum/showthread.php?t=131607

Tone: i agree with GMan that it might even be a bent screw that you won't be able to see while it's in the vise. since your vise is maybe 80 years old no telling who's had their hands on it or what it's been through. old guys used to toss these little guys by their handles (ask me how i know) and I still see their grandsons and sons do the same thing.

hopefully it's just something small to fix.

WAZZ: i'd love to see more pictures and since your vise isn't common might be considered ONE OF A KIND you might want to start a thread on it where the members can post all this cool stuff they are finding over there and then maybe post recaps over here once in a while. nothing looks cheap or HOKEY about that vise and guessing WWII with all it's restrictions on manufacturing had a lot to do with it not becoming a well known name in this thread and in vises in general. thanks in advance for whatever pictures and more information you find about it.

 

[va.grouseman]

Drive, there is one showing on Pinterest now, and one was on EBay about 3 months, and I think VISEs has one.---But they are very rare and Wazzabie's is the first complete one I've seen.---Very very rare.-------Check the links below.


https://somanyhobbies.files.wordpress.com/2015/02/r1.jpg?w=800&h=726


http://www.ebay.com/itm/odin-univer...se-super-rare-bench-vise-/322459068146?_ul=AR

 

[Mister J]

I took the Record no 3 off the swivel base and noticed this stamp.

I thought maybe a date stamp, February 1989? That got me curious so I had another look at the box. There was a piece of the price tag or some other label with "PASCAL" and a logo, a sort of crooked P.

I had never heard of the place so I googled it. Pascal was a family owned business that operated 26 hardware and furniture stores in Quebec, New Brunswick, and Ontario between 1903 and 1994. Their hardware division went bankrupt in 1991 so "B89" would make sense as a date of manufacture.

So somebody bought this thing and never took it out of the box, and it had just been sitting there in a corner somewhere for the past 28 years until I got it yesterday. Crazy.

 

[gman007]

Were most old USA made vises back in the day... the Rock Islands, Reeds, Wilburton, etc. made using drop forge alloy steel?

it seems more likely Cast Iron (more likely cast than forged and more likely Iron than steel )