hardwire telephone and color code standards

[hetkind]

argggg...rant on

Since I live way up in the hills, no cell phone, pager, blackberry, or other electronic devices work. So it is hardwire to shop. We have dug, placed and buried 450 feet of conduit and wire, and went to finish up the phone install.

Jacks on wall wired to mechanical room
New handsets with batteries and cables
cat 5 pulled from shop mechanical room to telephone network interface at house

went to wire into "network interface" and due to DSL installation there was NOT a clear phone signal available in the box on the line we need to use.

I am going to spend my Veterans Day holiday sitting and waiting for the local phone tech to show, or not show as the case my be...

Howard

 

[mrb]

you need to install a DSL filter between the line and your phone.... (or am i missing something in your post?)

 

[PatJewett]

Yeah. Run over to Radio Shack. They have inline DSL filters that are fairly easy to install. That should clean up the noise issue.

 

[kbs2244]

When I had DSL installed I already had the house phone and a fax one the same wire using something called “distinctive ring.”
In the days before cell phones they would market it so the kids could have their own phone number.

It saves me the cost of a wire for the fax.
The fax has its own number but gives a different ring then the home phone, so you don’t pick up when you hear that ring.

Anyway, they had to install what they called a “whole house” filter because of that.
The little ones at each phone didn’t cut it.
Had to get a special “DSL guy” too.
The regular guys didn’t know how to do it.

 

[Jeepskate]

Mine is split at the entry point in the house since you only need two wires. The two wires with my phone line on them are connected to all but one of the phone jacks in the house. The two wires with the DSL initially ran to a jack in the family room, but I disconnected that and ran it to a jack in the basement and put my DSL modem and firewall/router down there. No filters needed. Just made the 200'+ run down to the shop over the weekend.

 

[malibu101]

Good luck with the Cat5. Running it more than 100 meters. (roughly 328 feet) usually causes problems. I don't know why or what problems pop up but look it up- I've heard that running Cat5 (or Cat6 for that matter) over 100 meters is a big no-no.

 

[mrb]

Good luck with the Cat5. Running it more than 100 meters. (roughly 328 feet) usually causes problems. I don't know why or what problems pop up but look it up- I've heard that running Cat5 (or Cat6 for that matter) over 100 meters is a big no-no.

that ONLY applies to ethernet. When using cat5 wire for phone, you can go as far as you want with it. Think about it- the dialtone travels 5000-25,000 feet to your house over a pair of 22ga wire. Adding a few hundred feet of 24ga cat5 onto the end of it isnt going to make one bit of difference.

 

[malibu101]

that ONLY applies to ethernet. When using cat5 wire for phone, you can go as far as you want with it. Think about it- the dialtone travels 5000-25,000 feet to your house over a pair of 22ga wire. Adding a few hundred feet of 24ga cat5 onto the end of it isnt going to make one bit of difference.

Fully agree.
I just re-read the first post closer and saw that he was using it for phone. :embarassed:

 

[Metal-Marc]

that ONLY applies to ethernet. When using cat5 wire for phone, you can go as far as you want with it. Think about it- the dialtone travels 5000-25,000 feet to your house over a pair of 22ga wire. Adding a few hundred feet of 24ga cat5 onto the end of it isnt going to make one bit of difference.

This.

 

[bry@n]

Color code can easily be googled and found, but here is the jist of it.
white blue - green
Blue white - red
white orange - black
orange white - yellow

For phone use, you shouldn't have a need to surpass that as it is enough for two lines.
If your using cat 5 around the shop and for the feed, juts match the colors up.

 

[sstruckguy]

Is there a reason that you didn't look into a wireless access points?

Its a little late(alot even) in your project, but I'm a little curious.

 

[mrb]

Is there a reason that you didn't look into a wireless access points?

Its a little late(alot even) in your project, but I'm a little curious.

he is running a telephone line -not LAN

 

[hetkind]

I looked into wireless to get to the shop, but the distance is a bit too far, a second cat 5 is run for the lan, and it will be wired with a booter at either end, to a second wireless router at the shop.

I also pulled a RG6 coaxial to pull a feed from the sat TV system. Might as well run everything at the same time, in the same conduit.

Howard

 

[aandpdan]

I looked into wireless to get to the shop, but the distance is a bit too far, a second cat 5 is run for the lan, and it will be wired with a booter at either end, to a second wireless router at the shop.

What is a "booter?"

450' is well over the 100m lan limitations. You may have some connectivity issues.

 

[hetkind]

booster...they sell boosters for this specific purpose. This will allow me to beat the 300' design limit. So I will plug a patch cord into the booster at the house, plug the cat 5 into that, and repeat at the other end...I think the booster kit, of two units is about $120. Well worth it to have a "free" connection in the shop.

Howard

 

[hetkind]

booster...they sell boosters for this specific purpose. This will allow me to beat the 300' design limit. So I will plug a patch cord into the booster at the house, plug the cat 5 into that, and repeat at the other end...I think the booster kit, of two units is about $120. Well worth it to have a "free" connection in the shop.

I have the specs on a few different brands in a file folder on my desk...

Howard

 

[aandpdan]

booster...they sell boosters for this specific purpose. This will allow me to beat the 300' design limit. So I will plug a patch cord into the booster at the house, plug the cat 5 into that, and repeat at the other end...I think the booster kit, of two units is about $120. Well worth it to have a "free" connection in the shop.

I have the specs on a few different brands in a file folder on my desk...

Howard

Thanks. I looked some up, didn't know they existed.

 

[mrb]

there is no such thing as a LAN 'booster' there are however ethernet extenders which take your ethernet, turn it into something else -typically VDSL2, and turn it back into ethernet at the other end. Some of these can go a couple thousand feet over a single pair of cat5 wire.

 

[hetkind]

yes, they are called ethernet extenders, but in reality, they basically act like repeaters...I don't have the date sheets in front of me, I am off on travel this week.

 

[mrb]

yes, they are called ethernet extenders, but in reality, they basically act like repeaters...I don't have the date sheets in front of me, I am off on travel this week.

a booster implies that it boosts the existing signal (such as a CATV amplifier).

A repeater receives a signal and resends the same signal. (example, if you place an ethernet switch midspan in a 600 foot run it would be acting as a repeater)

The ethernet extenders could be thought of more as a transceiver -they are taking the ethernet, turning it into something else for the span, and turning the signal back into ethernet at the other end. Again, the ethernet extenders are typically VDSL modems.

The reason for the distance limitation on ethernet isnt an issue of signal loss, the problem is due to propegation delay the timing of the signal gets out of wack causing packetloss.

 

[burleymike]

I would go with wireless. I know of a guy that did wireless and his shop is 1000' away from his house. He made his own antennas out of old satellite dishes. The signal is incredibly strong. If your cell phone provider and your phone does UMA access you can also have cell access in your shop if you setup a wireless router in the shop.
IF you don't like the idea of building one you can buy a similar one too.

http://www.engadget.com/2005/11/15/how-to-build-a-wifi-biquad-dish-antenna/