Above 1200 Sq/FT Cleaning Up My Shop

[shortykorte]

Those yard tools are in my price range, yay!
That Bugatti project wow.


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[power wagon]

I would like to see more pics of the red chevy pick up, please

 

[oldironfarmer]

Those yard tools are in my price range, yay!
That Bugatti project wow.


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I was humbled by the Bugatti project.

I would like to see more pics of the red chevy pick up, please

It's a 1966, if I heard right. That place is only five miles form my house but it is straight into the wilderness down by the river. I doubt I'll get back out there. It's complete, with a 400 small block. Kid bought it when he was 14 and disassembled it before he was 16. Fenders and hood are in the back, wood bed well rotted. Custom trim, all straight, no rust, he's about 35 now and works 60 hours a week, truck is not for sale. Maybe I asked. They also have a pristine 73 Chevy pickup sitting in the trees. Not for sale.

Thanks for the comments!

No pictures today: had a busy day but nothing photoworthy. Finished up the hydraulic repair on the Massey Ferguson and it runs like it should. The internal lift cylinder had been misinstalled previously and had a blown seal. It was also cracked. So a new seal, cylinder, and piston and lots of assembly time fixed the issue. I really wasn't wanting to split it to change the pump.

Then my HVAC buddy came by with some copper tubing to melt and wanted his front tires balanced. So I drug my Don Long look alike tire balancer out of the attic and we rebalanced his tires statically. They were definitely out of balance, with new weights. We got them close and he was on his way. I really need to buy a selection of tire weights if I'm going to be balancing tires.

Got the tractor done so I've got Saturday off tomorrow. Time to clean up and put away, and maybe melt a bit of aluminum.

Thanks for dropping in!

 

[realvc]

Now when I see cars/trucks out in a field or on blocks I think that it is either not for sale or the owners will want more than I'm willing to pay.

Also I'm a little afraid to ask because they may be willing to part with it for I am willing to pay and I don't the room to store things like you do Andy.

There are plenty of projects inside my shop to keep me busy for quite a while anyway.

I pass by a 1961 Chevy Impala two door hardtop setting is a field regularly. It looks good from the road and has been there several years. It is considered a test for me to not stop even when I see people in the yard when I pass by. So far I'm still holding out.

 

[drivesitfar]

Andy: is it a fun day with your kids and/or grandkids, buying another cool truck or tools or just melting aluminum and making muffins? AREN'T SATURDAYS GREAT??

RealVC: another member made a quote that i put in my sig line yesterday that might follow along with your thinking. best of luck holding out, but what's the harm in asking unless you know the guy's got a shotgun and he's crazy? at least you can know if it's even for sale or work on making room for it by finishing up other projects if you do like it.

cheers

 

[power wagon]

I was humbled by the Bugatti project.



It's a 1966, if I heard right. That place is only five miles form my house but it is straight into the wilderness down by the river. I doubt I'll get back out there. It's complete, with a 400 small block. Kid bought it when he was 14 and disassembled it before he was 16. Fenders and hood are in the back, wood bed well rotted. Custom trim, all straight, no rust, he's about 35 now and works 60 hours a week, truck is not for sale. Maybe I asked. They also have a pristine 73 Chevy pickup sitting in the trees. Not for sale.

Thanks for the comments!

No pictures today: had a busy day but nothing photoworthy. Finished up the hydraulic repair on the Massey Ferguson and it runs like it should. The internal lift cylinder had been misinstalled previously and had a blown seal. It was also cracked. So a new seal, cylinder, and piston and lots of assembly time fixed the issue. I really wasn't wanting to split it to change the pump.

Then my HVAC buddy came by with some copper tubing to melt and wanted his front tires balanced. So I drug my Don Long look alike tire balancer out of the attic and we rebalanced his tires statically. They were definitely out of balance, with new weights. We got them close and he was on his way. I really need to buy a selection of tire weights if I'm going to be balancing tires.

Got the tractor done so I've got Saturday off tomorrow. Time to clean up and put away, and maybe melt a bit of aluminum.

Thanks for dropping in!

thanks ,enjoy seeing ypur pics

 

[dfiler2]

Just catching up on your thread Oldironfarmer, I really do enjoy it. What a great idea strengthening a shovel that way and a good use for worn out sickle blades. Thank You

 

[bj383ss]

Andy it hurts to see all those great tools rusting away outside. I was going to ask about the 66. Which you are right you can tell by the factory backup lights. 66' was the first year they were mandatory on all vehicle by Federal law. Before that they were dealer options installed at least on trucks.

Bret

 

[oldironfarmer]

Now when I see cars/trucks out in a field or on blocks I think that it is either not for sale or the owners will want more than I'm willing to pay.

Also I'm a little afraid to ask because they may be willing to part with it for I am willing to pay and I don't the room to store things like you do Andy.

There are plenty of projects inside my shop to keep me busy for quite a while anyway.

I pass by a 1961 Chevy Impala two door hardtop setting is a field regularly. It looks good from the road and has been there several years. It is considered a test for me to not stop even when I see people in the yard when I pass by. So far I'm still holding out.

I agree, most people know how to sell a car. So if they wanted to sell it, it would not be sitting there. Pretty much a farmer habit to keep all his old vehicles. Part of that comes from not wanting to be cheated on the price. However, it never hurts to ask. Sometimes they change their mind, and sometimes you just make them happy to be able to say no and know somebody else does want their car or truck.

But you can't really have too much stuff, can you? You might as well stop and ask. If the price is good you could sell it to me, I'm a sucker.

Thanks for stopping in!

Andy: is it a fun day with your kids and/or grandkids, buying another cool truck or tools or just melting aluminum and making muffins? AREN'T SATURDAYS GREAT??

RealVC: another member made a quote that i put in my sig line yesterday that might follow along with your thinking. best of luck holding out, but what's the harm in asking unless you know the guy's got a shotgun and he's crazy? at least you can know if it's even for sale or work on making room for it by finishing up other projects if you do like it.

cheers

Well today I took a note from 1/2 Cup and started out doing little nuisance jobs. Had a great day!

Always great to have you come by!

thanks ,enjoy seeing ypur pics

Thank you!

Just catching up on your thread Oldironfarmer, I really do enjoy it. What a great idea strengthening a shovel that way and a good use for worn out sickle blades. Thank You

Thanks for stopping in! Of course most people don't know what a sickle section is anymore so I didn't call it by name. It does take a little bend to fit but really firms up the shovel.

Andy it hurts to see all those great tools rusting away outside. I was going to ask about the 66. Which you are right you can tell by the factory backup lights. 66' was the first year they were mandatory on all vehicle by Federal law. Before that they were dealer options installed at least on trucks.

Bret

I hate to see them rust away too, and the guy with them does as well, but really has no easy way to sell them.

The guy that owns it is very nice, does a fair amount of work for me, and is always very reliable. I might ask him sometime if he wants me to fix it up. Maybe he is no longer interested.

Thanks for the visit

 

[oldironfarmer]

I listened to 1/2 Cup and did some menial jobs today, mostly picking up and putting away. Also threw away some stuff I didn't think I could live without.

The 52 Willys came without an air filter, so I put an aftermarket one on today. The truck needs a lot of work, but I really can't start on it. I plan to drive it like it is around the farm. Had a spot under it this morning, however, at the back. Fuel tank leak It looks like somebody had added a sump and there's a jagged hole in it.

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That may have to be repaired but I'll try to patch it first with tank sealer.

Earlier I made a stand for my chop saw and today made a sheet metal liner to protect everything from hot metal. Made it out of roofing flashing.

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Used my shiny new bead roller to stiffen the backsplash. It works pretty easily but I still have a lot to learn.

Nailed down and screwed to the sheetrock I think it will do the job.

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The bead roller is fun to use. It looks like I'm in trouble, I put beads on all my scrap pieces.

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Saw stand just about ready. I'm real tired of squatting down on the floor to use the saw.

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The plan is to put a few supports down the bench to support long items but hopefully not interfere with using the bench. That is why the saw is elevated.

Thanks for stopping in, guys!

 

[dchance]

Andy,
Thanks for the link to the Bugatti. When you look at what he is going through to create a casting and the French were doing this in the 30's. It makes you realize that amazing things were done in the past that we at times still do not comprehend.

Great work on your continuing casting and don't let the Kiwi get you down. The things you do fit what you want and need.

Great to see the tractor finished and the help that you gave your friends.

Dwight

 

[1/2 Cup]

Andy, I am doing much the same tackling those annoying jobs this weekend and it like a cleansing of the soul let me tell you...

Your back splash is a winner...

Regards

 

[oldironfarmer]

Andy,
Thanks for the link to the Bugatti. When you look at what he is going through to create a casting and the French were doing this in the 30's. It makes you realize that amazing things were done in the past that we at times still do not comprehend.

Great work on your continuing casting and don't let the Kiwi get you down. The things you do fit what you want and need.

Great to see the tractor finished and the help that you gave your friends.

Dwight

We had a discussion on casting technology a while back. What the guys did in the 1800's is astounding. This guy is fortunately starting with a completed casting design so presumably he does not have to figure out section size and shrinkage issues. Still he is doing outstanding work, but you're right, you've got to hand it to the original designers and fabricators. He is using a scanner to copy and a 3D printer to make patterns and cores.

Interesting block design with no head. Machining and grinding the valve seats is a real trick. A simple valve regrind for that engine involves total disassembly. It would be a more practical design with modern fuels and materials. I can't remember the last time I had to grind valves.

He didn't get me down, but did inspire me.

Getting the Massey done is great. I was too cheap to buy a manual and was kind of trouble shooting the hydraulics in the dark.

Andy, I am doing much the same tackling those annoying jobs this weekend and it like a cleansing of the soul let me tell you...

Your back slash is a winner...

Regards

So good to get nagging little tasks out of the way.

Here's my back slash!

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Enjoy!

Thanks! Since I cut a lot with my chop saw I'm really looking forward to having it up where I can see.

Thanks for the comments, guys.

Hope everyone has or has had a good Sunday!!

I get tomorrow off, too!

 

[bolensboneyard]

What bead roller? I must have missed something?

 

[Guster]

Got a little behind again! It's almost like a year's worth of Saturdays since I've last had a little time here. Doesn't help getting sidetracked with phenomenal stories like that Bugatti project right here in my backyard! I really need to know where he gets his casting done.

Kiln is coming along and I see inklings of sheet metal work! Are you planning to dish one face on that stump Andy?

What bead roller? I must have missed something?

Yes... inquiring minds n'all!

 

[tym]

Now when I see cars/trucks out in a field or on blocks I think that it is either not for sale or the owners will want more than I'm willing to pay.

My dad kept his 69 Camaro (purchased new) on blocks under a tarp for about 30 years. With a little nudging and a lot o' cash, it's at least running and in the garage. It's the car in my avatar.

 

[oldironfarmer]

What bead roller? I must have missed something?

Last fall I bought a bead roller, planishing hammer, and TIG welder. Didn't unbox them until last week. I really thought there would be room in the Skelly Garage, but there's not, so I waited until I had some space. Film at 11:00.

Got a little behind again! It's almost like a year's worth of Saturdays since I've last had a little time here. Doesn't help getting sidetracked with phenomenal stories like that Bugatti project right here in my backyard! I really need to know where he gets his casting done.

Kiln is coming along and I see inklings of sheet metal work! Are you planning to dish one face on that stump Andy?

Yes... inquiring minds n'all!

Quite a project on the Bugatti. I haven't found his Lotus build yet. Apparently he's in LA working on a space related project but should be online to ask him which foundry he is using. They seem to be pretty agreeable. He seems to be in a business that makes patterns, as well, so he may have an inside track with the foundry.

Furnace is waiting on kiln control which is waiting on box modification to protect the SSR. It will take about 8 to 10 hours to cook each refractory piece (6) so the box operation needs to be robust.

In researching English wheels I came across the use of a stump. Now that's something I understand. From what I've seen mine is probably a bit large but I don't think that's a detriment. What I read recommended a small dish, large dish, and a groove. Next step is to install feet on the bottom then make the depressions.

My dad kept his 69 Camaro (purchased new) on blocks under a tarp for about 30 years. With a little nudging and a lot o' cash, it's at least running and in the garage. It's the car in my avatar.

Cool avatar car. Good job skinning the old man out of his prized possesion

Thanks for looking in, guys!

Here's the bead roller, as promised

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Instructions say two people but it works fine with one. It might be nice to have it motorized, but I'm getting a feel for working it.

And the planishing hammer no one asked about

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Put some plywood over the bench to hang tools on. I realize I like board mounted tools more than having them in a drawer.

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[oldironfarmer]

Farmer's pocket screw jig (or lack thereof), start with a Forstner bit straight in

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Just in far enough to guide the bit, then slowly angle it chewing away the wood

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Once you have a flat at the right angle, drill the pilot hole

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And drive a screw in

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Works for me

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Put two in the saw base

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Making a few cuts I was getting a lot of grit to the left of the saw, so I made a little shield out of flashing to contain it. Love that bead roller

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Thank you for looking at my madness!!

And thank goodness tomorrow is Saturday!!

 

[dchance]

Andy
A planishing hammer, a bead roller, a stump, a TIG welder, what excuse are you going to give your granddaughter for not making progress on the Studebaker?

It is looking great, glad that you have another Sat. tomorrow so you can start (except which project will you pick first).


Dwight

 

[BBChevro]

What bead roller? I must have missed something?

Me too.

Here's the bead roller, as promised

...Love that bead roller

...

Me too.


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[Guster]

Quite a project on the Bugatti. I haven't found his Lotus build yet. Apparently he's in LA working on a space related project but should be online to ask him which foundry he is using. They seem to be pretty agreeable. He seems to be in a business that makes patterns, as well, so he may have an inside track with the foundry.

I think so too... Those are all very professional looking moulds and cores. Right down to the rock foam/ceramic filter in the runner.

In researching English wheels I came across the use of a stump. Now that's something I understand. From what I've seen mine is probably a bit large but I don't think that's a detriment. What I read recommended a small dish, large dish, and a groove. Next step is to install feet on the bottom then make the depressions.

Stump is likely a bit large for your wood lathe. They make a very nasty little TCT wood carving disc that fits small angle grinders that is perfect for power carving the dished shape. There's is also one that looks like it has a chainsaw chain fitted to the periphery.

A set of UHMWPE teardrop hammers work very well when dishing. Next is to make a set of heads and dies for your plannishing hammer. Ron Covell amongst others has some nice videos on the topic.

I could really use a bead roller with a tipping die right now!

 

[Strouty]

I need to make a stand and shield setup for my saw, it makes a mess every time I use it. Looks like you are having some fun with the bead roller!

 

[bj383ss]

Man now I need a bead roller and maybe a planishing hammer. Looks good Andy. I like your pocket hole method.

Bret

 

[tym]

Cool avatar car. Good job skinning the old man out of his prized possesion

It's still "his." Had I waited much longer for the prising, the New England winters would have ensured there was nothing left.

 

[oldironfarmer]

Andy
A planishing hammer, a bead roller, a stump, a TIG welder, what excuse are you going to give your granddaughter for not making progress on the Studebaker?

It is looking great, glad that you have another Sat. tomorrow so you can start (except which project will you pick first).

Dwight

Ummm... I don't have an english wheel? Front fenders are coming off soon. But I have to foot the stump and dish the top.

Got to go to town today and buy some plywood. Got my helper fixing soffit on the house. It's getting to where I really dislike leaving the farm to go to town.

Me too.

Me too. .

Me three? Also have a stretcher and shrinker and am really feeling the need for a slip roller and a brake. A shear would really be nice, or at least a nibbler.

I think so too... Those are all very professional looking moulds and cores. Right down to the rock foam/ceramic filter in the runner.

Stump is likely a bit large for your wood lathe. They make a very nasty little TCT wood carving disc that fits small angle grinders that is perfect for power carving the dished shape. There's is also one that looks like it has a chainsaw chain fitted to the periphery.

A set of UHMWPE teardrop hammers work very well when dishing. Next is to make a set of heads and dies for your plannishing hammer. Ron Covell amongst others has some nice videos on the topic.

I could really use a bead roller with a tipping die right now!

The chain saw grinding disk I have. Sort of. Have a friend who was big into making chainsaw furniture (nice work) and I gave him one of the wood carving discs. I think he never used it. You know, guys like the tools they like (I don't have a single ratchet wrench) so I plan to go by his place and retrieve it, just have not done that yet.

Plastic hammers are on the way last week!!

Thanks for the Ron Covell tip. I'll look.

Thank you for the tips and advice.

I need to make a stand and shield setup for my saw, it makes a mess every time I use it. Looks like you are having some fun with the bead roller!

I've wanted to build a wall rack for the saw for many years. Thought I'd have a good place with the remodel but I'm officially out of wall space so I'm making do over a bench.

Bead roller is a blast, should have bought one years ago.

Man now I need a bead roller and maybe a planishing hammer. Looks good Andy. I like your pocket hole method.

Bret

Of course the downside, every tool has to be learned. The simplest take training. Ever see someone use a hammer wrong? Sometimes I think simpler tools are harder to learn, hand saw, for instance, or even a hammer. Takes some time blacksmithing to learn hammer control and I'm not really there yet. So with each new tool I set myself back, but I'm up to the challenge.

Like I told JB after we made the mess at his place, you can tell everyone "just because you can afford a tool or piece of equipment doesn't mean you know how to use it!"

In that vein, how hard is it to learn to use a pocket hole fixture? I've got a wooden one I use on the drill press but it doesn't work in places like this.

It's still "his." Had I waited much longer for the prising, the New England winters would have ensured there was nothing left.

I hope you know I was joking. As long as it's in the family and being saved that is great. I hope you can get it into shape and enjoy it for many years.

Thanks again for all the visits. My cold is slowly dissipating. And the little window unit in the big shop seems capable of keeping the room 15F below outside temperature. I went out early this morning and put some weather stripping on the attic doors. There are a few more spots to insulate. If I could get that number up to 20F I'd be happy with an 83F shop on a 103F day. The overhead door, although insulated, is pretty big and the insulation is thin by the nature of insulated overhead doors.

Maybe I'll make some progress today.

 

[tym]

I hope you know I was joking. As long as it's in the family and being saved that is great. I hope you can get it into shape and enjoy it for many years.

I did. I forgot to put in an emoji.

Still in my folks' backyard is a '74 Mustang II in much worse shape. Can't wait for the Earth to absorb that one.

 

[shortykorte]

Here is a video from Robert MP&C, fellow GJ member on tips for shaping a stump.

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[oldironfarmer]

I did. I forgot to put in an emoji.

Still in my folks' backyard is a '74 Mustang II in much worse shape. Can't wait for the Earth to absorb that one.

Somebody wants that Mustang II, I would wager.

Here is a video from Robert MP&C, fellow GJ member on tips for shaping a stump.

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Thanks for that link. I've enjoyed reading Robert's thread. One of the associated videos showed some pretty impressive hand shaping. A whole new area of interest!!

Thanks for the visits, guys!

 

[oldironfarmer]

Put three feet on my stump. No rocking this way.

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This thing is heavy, I had to roll it around to get a strap under it.

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The engine hoist picked it safely. It's hanging here.

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The top is not really level, but it's relatively flat. And it's stable, if I push hard I can start it to tip, but it's solid.

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I went to retrieve the chain saw angle grinder tool at a friend's and while there I noticed a repair to a front loader his son had made. Welded the crack and put on a gusset plate which is just right. Gussets should be tapered and welded away from the corners of the member they are attached to. This is a great example.

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And, we didn't find the chain saw tool

Cut up some 5/8" sucker rod to make supports for material being cut on the chop saw. I like little production runs.

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Here are five supports welded up. I forgot to clean up my table first

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Continued below:

 

[Kev442]

Many moons ago I was talking to a body shop owner and mentioned the factory gussets Dodge used to strengthen their van frames. He didn't know what a gusset was.

I also mentioned I have ecletic hobbies, all over the place. He told me to quit using "big words" and get out of his shop!

 

[1/2 Cup]

Andy, top idea on the material supports.

They should work well given you have the chops saw bolted down

Regards

 

[oldironfarmer]

Post continued from above:

Here's the first one in place in holes in the bench.

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The original idea was to have fold down supports from the wall. However the saw fence is 11" from the wall so I opted for supports to fit into holes in the bench. They can be removed if the bench space is needed. Most things laying on the bench will be less that the 9" height of the saw table.

Time to clean and paint. Probably have to wait until Saturday to do that. Hmm, tomorrow's Saturday!!

Many moons ago I was talking to a body shop owner and mentioned the factory gussets Dodge used to strengthen their van frames. He didn't know what a gusset was.

I also mentioned I have ecletic hobbies, all over the place. He told me to quit using "big words" and get out of his shop!

Some people have little time for things they don't understand.

Andy, top idea on the material supports.

They should work well given you have the chops saw bolted down

Regards

Thank you. Given the chop saw is not bolted down and wants to wander on the table I do have to do something. I'm leaning toward two big washers to capture to of the feet. I still need to be able to lift it off and onto the floor to cut something which is inconvenient to lift to the table. I occasionally cut 6" WF beam with it, and have been know to chew through a railroad rail. However since I rarely cut big stuff it may get some kind of clamp. It was a challenge cutting the sucker rod in mid-air with the saw moving around on the table. But I needed to cut up there to look at where the sparks were going. I still need some more spark baffles to minimize the grit going down the bench.

Thanks for stopping in. Whew! Been a long week, I'm glad it's Saturday!!

 

[driftpin]

What an interesting thread, you surely have a lotta room in the shop. I've read the beginning & the end, some of the middle, all interesting to me.

The talk about trains makes me a bit sad, my oldest brother was an engineer for Conrail and Amtrak, he started in the 1960's as a fireman on the Penn Central in Syracuse NY. He retired as, I believe, the senior engineer (or very close to it) in Boston for Amtrak. When I would visit him in Boston, he would invite me to ride his shift, the evening shift, overnight, which he seemed to prefer. It was a lot of fun to ride in the engine, and to feel the torque of those engines, coursing through the cab.

I recall as a kid in the mid-1950's riding a Pullman from NY to Chicago, having the porter come by and turn-down the beds. The dining car was always a treat.

That 'picture-window' windshield VW bus, a friend is going through a restoration of a '74 Westfalia camper now, it's been in the family since new. It's turning out gorgeous, but since it's being done by a shop, it's very expensive. The way it's turning-out, I haven't seen one nicer at any local car shows.

My train engineer brother's wife had a split-window Westfalia camper in Boston she had as a daily-driver for many years, and after she bought a new car with a heater, and the VW van sat, they eventually sold it for very cheap. Now those restored are selling for stupid money. Hers was a tin-worm victim, but everything is restorable with enough time and money, right?

The VW camper in Boston sat in the driveway in-front of a early 1950's Hudson 3-side window-coupe, my brother had acquired but never got around to doing anything with. They sold both the split-window VW camper and the Hudson when he was getting ready to retire, and they moved from Boston to Milwaukee.

Went down to help my son in law trim some trees. Noticed a friend's VW bus. It's just sitting, BugThug.

Then started on the work bench. Wall support

Framed

And... we have a bench.

I modified my design because the bench was going to be too close to the door to carry things through.

I'm thinking about trimming it off on a 45.

It doesn't take long to find stuff to go on a new bench

The right end is going to get my cutoff saw on a pedestal. No more squatting down to cut.

My bullet vise likes it there. I've been wondering where it would wind up.

Thank you for stopping in!

 

[drivesitfar]

Andy: i love the new chop saw set up and those new lifts you fabbed up are D'Bomb. very cool. are you getting set up to maybe do some fab work on the STUDY/DODGE (any name from your Grand daughter yet?) or maybe you'll start an assembly line and start working on your OWN tractors and get them all running. damn that would be a lot of tires and rubber to keep air in.

have another great SATURDAY and i'll do the same.

DRIFT: if you read all of Andy's thread i have to almost give you an award. i can't recall when he started it, but i have a hard time catching up with all the activity if i miss a day. WELL DONE!!

 

[Rex_A_Lott]

Make sure you pay real good attention to the shape of the depression in the stump in the video. Also take note of the fact that its not really symmetrical at all. Its deeper at the back, tapering to nothing at the front, and also one side is deeper that the other. The notch itself doesnt matter, its made for making tucks. Just dont make it round, unless all you plan to make is bowls. I didnt watch the whole thing, but I saw Peter Tomassini work on a similar one at the class I took at Will Cronckrite's place last year. Amazing man, amazing what can be done with metal, not very many tools.
Dont waste a lot of money on those plastic tools, they have their place, but not really heavy enough or shaped right for moving a lot of metal.
Good Luck!

 

[GLTHFJ60]

Excellent work!!

 

[drivesitfar]

Andy: i forgot to add in my post that i hadn't thought of that kind of 3 feet when you said you were going to add 3 feet to your 36 inch piece of oak log.

what is even better is i have about a 200 pound Madrona stump i was going to have to level up and now i think i can do it with 2 by material on the bottom in different widths. thanks

 

[Guster]

Dont waste a lot of money on those plastic tools, they have their place, but not really heavy enough or shaped right for moving a lot of metal. Good Luck!

Absolutely and comes down to moving vs stretching. The way it was explained to me is that with steel hammers it is hard to avoid contact stretching when dishing material. Whereas wood and plastic mallets are more likely to move the metal allowing you to control the stretching as needed while plannishing or rolling. Same way blacksmiths switch to wooden mallets to straighten material on the anvil to avoid 'stretching' it more. The difference is also much more apparent working with aluminium than steel.

UHMWPE mallets are cheap enough but you have a fair point and maple makes a very nice cost effective alternative for lighter weight shaping mallets. Being slightly heavier that UHMWPE also offers an inbetween option.

 

[oldironfarmer]

What an interesting thread, you surely have a lotta room in the shop. I've read the beginning & the end, some of the middle, all interesting to me.

The talk about trains makes me a bit sad, my oldest brother was an engineer for Conrail and Amtrak, he started in the 1960's as a fireman on the Penn Central in Syracuse NY. He retired as, I believe, the senior engineer (or very close to it) in Boston for Amtrak. When I would visit him in Boston, he would invite me to ride his shift, the evening shift, overnight, which he seemed to prefer. It was a lot of fun to ride in the engine, and to feel the torque of those engines, coursing through the cab.

I recall as a kid in the mid-1950's riding a Pullman from NY to Chicago, having the porter come by and turn-down the beds. The dining car was always a treat.

That 'picture-window' windshield VW bus, a friend is going through a restoration of a '74 Westfalia camper now, it's been in the family since new. It's turning out gorgeous, but since it's being done by a shop, it's very expensive. The way it's turning-out, I haven't seen one nicer at any local car shows.

My train engineer brother's wife had a split-window Westfalia camper in Boston she had as a daily-driver for many years, and after she bought a new car with a heater, and the VW van sat, they eventually sold it for very cheap. Now those restored are selling for stupid money. Hers was a tin-worm victim, but everything is restorable with enough time and money, right?

The VW camper in Boston sat in the driveway in-front of a early 1950's Hudson 3-side window-coupe, my brother had acquired but never got around to doing anything with. They sold both the split-window VW camper and the Hudson when he was getting ready to retire, and they moved from Boston to Milwaukee.

Thanks for the kind words. And that's quite an epistle! I had a great uncle and his wife, and a great aunt and her husband, who left Missouri in the 30's and drove a Model T to California. My mom remembered waving goodbye. They were driving down railroad tracks in Nevada when their car broke down. When the train came they rolled the car off the tracks and the train stopped and offered them a ride. The men wound up being offered jobs with the railroad and worked there until retirement. We visited them in about 1960. They were old and retired but my uncle George took me on a train ride. Super cool. They had no negative things to say about the railroad.

We also used to go out to Tehachapi Pass when I was a kid and watch two pusher steamers assist diesel trains up the pass, then the steamers would highball it back down the hill and get on a siding to wait for the next train. Trains were so frequent they hardly had time to get the switch swung before the next train passed, then they were back out on the mainline catching up with the train as it slowed and really blowing steam as they pushed the train up the hill. Great fun for a ten year old!

When we moved from KC MO in 1954 my dad drove the car to start a new job in Marietta GA and we followed by train, my mom, brother, sister, and myself. What a trip that was, but I was five and don't remember a lot. I do remember changing trains and hearing the conductor yell "Beaumont!, Birmingham!".

Thanks for the memories.

Andy: i love the new chop saw set up and those new lifts you fabbed up are D'Bomb. very cool. are you getting set up to maybe do some fab work on the STUDY/DODGE (any name from your Grand daughter yet?) or maybe you'll start an assembly line and start working on your OWN tractors and get them all running. damn that would be a lot of tires and rubber to keep air in.

have another great SATURDAY and i'll do the same.

DRIFT: if you read all of Andy's thread i have to almost give you an award. i can't recall when he started it, but i have a hard time catching up with all the activity if i miss a day. WELL DONE!!

Thanks, Drives! Plan was to have supports which could be removed, but I think they will stay most of the time. I do a bit of welding fabrication for the shop, farm, and vehicle maintenance. But most lathe work starts with cutting stock, and since I don't have a power hacksaw I use the chop saw. So all I'm doing is getting a regularly used tool off the floor.

Interesting comment, with 50 tractors, that's 200 tires seeping air, 50 fuel tanks rusting up, 50 carburetors gumming up, 50 points corroding, 50 radiators rotting... you get the picture.

And, yes, I need to get on the Stud-E-Baker (no official name yet) but am suffering foundry withdrawal. However the bench and stump are part of the Studebaker effort.

Make sure you pay real good attention to the shape of the depression in the stump in the video. Also take note of the fact that its not really symmetrical at all. Its deeper at the back, tapering to nothing at the front, and also one side is deeper that the other. The notch itself doesnt matter, its made for making tucks. Just dont make it round, unless all you plan to make is bowls. I didnt watch the whole thing, but I saw Peter Tomassini work on a similar one at the class I took at Will Cronckrite's place last year. Amazing man, amazing what can be done with metal, not very many tools.
Dont waste a lot of money on those plastic tools, they have their place, but not really heavy enough or shaped right for moving a lot of metal.
Good Luck!

Thank you. I did note how the shovel shaped depression was made. I also noted several guys using dish shaped depressions to do amazing car work. So it's a little confusing. However I can see how the shovel shape (as in blacksmith shovel) gives you more flexibility. I did see Mr. Tomassini working on a bowl stump. That guy does some amazing work.

I did order a plastic hammer and leather bag, but when it comes to steel hammers I think I can make them, so it's hard to buy one.

Thanks for your contribution!

Excellent work!!

Andy: i forgot to add in my post that i hadn't thought of that kind of 3 feet when you said you were going to add 3 feet to your 36 inch piece of oak log.

what is even better is i have about a 200 pound Madrona stump i was going to have to level up and now i think i can do it with 2 by material on the bottom in different widths. thanks

In junior high school my brother grew another foot, parents had fits buying shoes.

What are you using the stump for? My anvil stump probably comes close to 200 lbs.

Thanks for the comments!

 

[oldironfarmer]

Absolutely and comes down to moving vs stretching. The way it was explained to me is that with steel hammers it is hard to avoid contact stretching when dishing material. Whereas wood and plastic mallets are more likely to move the metal allowing you to control the stretching as needed while plannishing or rolling. Same way blacksmiths switch to wooden mallets to straighten material on the anvil to avoid 'stretching' it more. The difference is also much more apparent working with aluminium than steel.

UHMWPE mallets are cheap enough but you have a fair point and maple makes a very nice cost effective alternative for lighter weight shaping mallets. Being slightly heavier that UHMWPE also offers an inbetween option.

Interesting comment. I've never used a wooden mallet on the anvil to straighten, but I see your point. When you straighten you want to use lighter blows which probably helps avoid fullering the section. I'm not a very good blacksmith, either!

Ultrahighmoleculerweightpolyelthylene seems much more descriptive than UHMWPE doesn't it?

Thanks for the additional enlightenment

I may just have to make a bois d'arc mallet for doing panel work.