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bimmerZ5

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hey guys,

I'm beginning to make plans to build a 12'x10' shed in my backyard. the purpose for this shed is to be a computer/electronics lab while housing a server rack or two for my computer/server equipment. there will be dual 10Gbe fiber connection between the shed and the main house.

As I was browsing around the web looking for ideas to add to my plans, I came across "studio sheds":

https://www.studio-shed.com

Looking through their options, what they offer comes very close to what I would want to build. However, after configuring it on their website, the price tag seems pretty steep; $14,000 for the DIY option (self install).

so, my question to you guys is: are the materials and plans for this really worth $14,000? if I were to acquire my own materials and build something similar, would it cost about the same in the end? or would it be significantly cheaper? (i'm in southern California, where things can be pricier) what if I acquire my own materials and hired a contractor to help me build something like this, would it come close to $14000?

would appreciate your guy's feedback...
 
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There seems to be a lot of glass in those buildings. I imagine they use all safety glass so they probably do cost that much money.

Do you need a building with all that glass? Would it be OK if it just had a couple windows in it? If that would be acceptable to you then the cost could be a lot less.
 

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That's pricey. Materials should be about 5k even for decent materials and another 1.5k for a concrete pad to get poured. 10 by 12 is not that big. Maybe hire a carpenter to help.
 
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I would have the mini-split installed while you are building it. It looks like a solar collector to me :) Which isn't all bad, the natural daylight is the best form of light and you get a view of the outside world.

Those are pretty high-end sheds. I'd email that picture around and see what bids you get. Integrating all of the glass and having it all perfectly trimmed out would involve some special details.
 

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You are paying a huge premium for a style and look. They are using designer materials which quadruples price easily. Only you can make that decision. As a side note, 8 years ago I built a 14x16 Shed. It's double walls with dense pack insulation, sided in hardieplank plank. The rafters are double rafters, again dense packed cellulose 22" thick. Inside is lined with wabash trailers duraplate which is and uber durable steel plastic steel composite. Also have an air solar heater. Foundation is a monolithic slab w 4.5 yards of concrete.

Altogether it cost around 4500$. Neighbors though I was nuts but it looks nice, and it takes nearly nothing to heat all winter long. Worth it to me to have a nice warm place to piddle about deep in winter.
 

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https://www.studio-shed.com

Looking through their options, what they offer comes very close to what I would want to build. However, after configuring it on their website, the price tag seems pretty steep; $14,000 for the DIY option (self install).

so, my question to you guys is: are the materials and plans for this really worth $14,000?

Assuming you priced 12x10, that seems expensive unless it has a bathroom and kitchenette.

I had some trouble with the website. Are Studio Sheds a SIP structure?
 

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Basically, you still get what you pay for, as far as that goes. Doing the work yourself can save loads of money, as well as acquiring the raw materials from various sources.
A 10' x 12' shed is very small and shouldn't cost very much. Simply put together a materials list and price it out before calling a contractor. I also live in So. Calif. and decent framers can be had at $45.00 per hour and with a simple set of plans a couple guys could put up the little shed in a couple days and you do the time consuming detail work. Rather than pouring a slab, consider a raised wood floor on piers for a money savings you can put into equipment rather than fancy looking designer building materials.
 
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Around me 10x12 is typically the largest structure you can add without triggering any permits/ variance. Is that way you are doing it ? They are not very large inside -- especially after finishing out the walls.
 
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There seems to be a lot of glass in those buildings. I imagine they use all safety glass so they probably do cost that much money.

Do you need a building with all that glass? Would it be OK if it just had a couple windows in it? If that would be acceptable to you then the cost could be a lot less.

there are different configuration options. I don't want a lot of glass windows on the south, east, and west side of the buildling. but i do want a lot of glass on the north side as it has a nice view to the rest of the yard and allows for nice sunlight that won't heat the place up. i priced out a double outswing door with glass and built-in blinds for about $1400; so I guess I wasn't expecting this to be cheap, but definitely not $14K. that's why i'm asking...

That's pricey. Materials should be about 5k even for decent materials and another 1.5k for a concrete pad to get poured. 10 by 12 is not that big. Maybe hire a carpenter to help.

yeah, although I'm only starting to plan this project, in my head I had a figure about $7K, $8K at most, and maybe even less if I got creative and did more of the work myself. I haven't really priced things out, but as I was searching for ideas online I saw the studio shed thing and thought, "wow, that's almost like what I want" but then the price tag...

I would have the mini-split installed while you are building it. It looks like a solar collector to me :) Which isn't all bad, the natural daylight is the best form of light and you get a view of the outside world.

Those are pretty high-end sheds. I'd email that picture around and see what bids you get. Integrating all of the glass and having it all perfectly trimmed out would involve some special details.
when you say "mini-split", are you talking about HVAC system? Not sure how that comment follows about natural daylight so wasn't sure what you meant...

You are paying a huge premium for a style and look. They are using designer materials which quadruples price easily. Only you can make that decision. As a side note, 8 years ago I built a 14x16 Shed. It's double walls with dense pack insulation, sided in hardieplank plank. The rafters are double rafters, again dense packed cellulose 22" thick. Inside is lined with wabash trailers duraplate which is and uber durable steel plastic steel composite. Also have an air solar heater. Foundation is a monolithic slab w 4.5 yards of concrete.

Altogether it cost around 4500$. Neighbors though I was nuts but it looks nice, and it takes nearly nothing to heat all winter long. Worth it to me to have a nice warm place to piddle about deep in winter.

Yeah, I kind of figured that $14 is a high premium on something, that's why I'm asking just to double check if my assumptions are right. i kind of felt those studio shed kits were quite overpriced, but then again I've never done this so I wasn't sure if I sourced the material myself, hired a helper to help me build it, if I would end up spending close to that much anyway? for example, if I did it myself and ended up spending $12K, then I probably would have just gone with the $14K. But if doing it myself ends up being $6K, then I think it's worth it...

For computer equipment, you will def need to insulate and run HVAC of some type.

yes, and no. definitely plan to insulate, and that $14K is unfinished interior, so assuming doesn't include cost to insulate and finish insides. I'm debating about HVAC... we have cool air at night here, and I was thinking of building an automated system with some fans/filters/temp sensors and a raspberry pi to control air flow ; **** in cool air at night, vent or remix hotter air from the back of the rack during the day. i sort of do this by hand right now in our guest room where the server rack is currently residing. part of the goal here is to move that to this shed and regain our guest room again. just by manually managing cool/hot air flow in the guest room, I can get away without using A/C for about 11 months of the year.

Here's my shed build. I've got a little over $8800 in it so far.


http://www.garagejournal.com/forum/showthread.php?t=362295

Nice! thanks for sharing...

Assuming you priced 12x10, that seems expensive unless it has a bathroom and kitchenette.

I had some trouble with the website. Are Studio Sheds a SIP structure?

I don't know what "SIP" means?

No, that price is mainly for exterior finishes structure with unfinished interiors.

Basically, you still get what you pay for, as far as that goes. Doing the work yourself can save loads of money, as well as acquiring the raw materials from various sources.
A 10' x 12' shed is very small and shouldn't cost very much. Simply put together a materials list and price it out before calling a contractor. I also live in So. Calif. and decent framers can be had at $45.00 per hour and with a simple set of plans a couple guys could put up the little shed in a couple days and you do the time consuming detail work. Rather than pouring a slab, consider a raised wood floor on piers for a money savings you can put into equipment rather than fancy looking designer building materials.
what do you mean "you still get what you pay for" ?? Do you mean that's a fair price for something like that? I kind of felt it was overpriced, but that's why I'm asking... do you think that sourcing the material myself and building it with a few hired help in So. Cal would end up being about the same price?

also, I think I'm going to need the concrete slab for sure. The server racks need to be stabilized and can weight about 2000 lbs in about 2 ft x 3 ft area. I'm even considering getting some raised floor panels designed for computer/data center rooms; but I'll dig into that more after I do some more planning on the structure.

Does your price include interior drywall?

no, unfinished interior...

Around me 10x12 is typically the largest structure you can add without triggering any permits/ variance. Is that way you are doing it ? They are not very large inside -- especially after finishing out the walls.

yes, that's the rule in my area too...

and I don't really need a large space. it's mainly to house a couple of server racks, each consumes about 2 ft x 3 ft. the computer/electronics lab portion will have 6 ft x 2ft workbench, maybe some parts/tools storage and that's about it that will consume floor space.

thanks for the replies guys.... it sounds so far, that maybe I'm not too far off thinking that $14K is a high premium for this and that sourcing the materials and building something myself might be the better way to go...
 

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Have you checked Tuff Shed or some of the other shed suppliers? I sell sheds and in my neck of the woods I can sell you a 10'x12' for $2,900 delivered. That is a code compliant building with stamped plans if needed.
 

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I asked because I recently had drywall and texture put in the under 120 sq ft shed. It was close to $2000. There are others that are not licensed that do the job for cheaper but I wanted a receipt to show as total cost. However I did insulation myself only costed $300.
 

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That is way too much glass for what you want.

Go to your big box home improvement store and get a shed book off their rack.
The designs should come with supplies lists that you can take to the contractors desk for a price list.

How much time are you going to be spending in there?
With servers you will need insulation and AC.
Windows add expense and increase AC load.
 
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Have you checked Tuff Shed or some of the other shed suppliers? I sell sheds and in my neck of the woods I can sell you a 10'x12' for $2,900 delivered. That is a code compliant building with stamped plans if needed.

I haven't heard of Tuff Shed, but will take a look. Thanks for the suggestion!

I asked because I recently had drywall and texture put in the under 120 sq ft shed. It was close to $2000. There are others that are not licensed that do the job for cheaper but I wanted a receipt to show as total cost. However I did insulation myself only costed $300.

Drywall is cheap, and I can and have done plenty of drywall work myself so I'm pretty sure I can do that on my own. Although, I haven't decided if I want to finish the interior with drywall or use removable panels so it's easy to take apart later to re-run electrical, fiber, etc.

In your location, I wouldn't think you'd need any insulation in it.

not so much to keep the heat in, but to keep the heat out. we have pretty broad temperature changes between night time and day time.

That is way too much glass for what you want.

Go to your big box home improvement store and get a shed book off their rack.
The designs should come with supplies lists that you can take to the contractors desk for a price list.

How much time are you going to be spending in there?
With servers you will need insulation and AC.
Windows add expense and increase AC load.

what is this "shed book" you speak of? is it a bunch of template plans for sheds? sounds interesting and something I can check out.

how much time I spend in there will depend. when there's an ongoing project, I could be spending several hours a day in the evening in there for a few weeks at a time. if there's no project, I would probably go in there rarely except for the occasional check-up or maintenance of the servers if it requires physical access.

i haven't made any decisions on AC yet... hoping i can minimize the need for AC with air flow management. even if I require AC during some days of the year, especially when we get extreme temperatures during the Santa Ana winds, I want to see if I can limit the cooling to just the area immediately in front of the rack and not the entire shed.
 

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I don't know what "SIP" means?

No, that price is mainly for exterior finishes structure with unfinished interiors.

SIP = Structural Insulated Panel. Can add to the cost but it's cheaper to just call the nearest SIP company and order your own kit if that type of construction appeals to you.

If that price is for unfinished interior then it's definitely on the high side.
 

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what is this "shed book" you speak of? is it a bunch of template plans for sheds? sounds interesting and something I can check out.

Most big box stores have a book rack with various plan books for sale, whenever I've looked at them there was at least one book with shed plans. I don't know any specific titles.

Of course, there's the obvious - just google on 'shed plans', then click on 'images' and a whole ton of illustrations will turn up.
 

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The Family Handyman has the plans and materials lists online for free for all of their annual sheds going back 10 years or so. Several styles and sizes. I downloaded 6 or 7 of them for future use.

If I was building a shed for computer servers I wouldn't want many or any windows low enough for someone to easily peek inside. Generally speaking, stick-built sheds aren't too difficult to break into so I would definitely plan on adding additional security measures.
 
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