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While killing time at Harbor Freight the other day I came across a special order toolbox that looked interesting.
I was looking for a top chest for a Matco 4725 box.
I had pretty much completed my toolbox quest, and I have most brands of toolbox, (And I mean most brands) and have had probably all the known brands, plus a lot that no one seems to have ever heard of.
But oddly, I have never bought any HF boxes.
Most of their boxes are pretty thin stuff, not very useful, in my opinion. The exception is the General 41 (?) inch setup.
I have seen those get better over the last few years, till it looks like a useful box. Frankly, the quality on the ones at my local HF are definitely in the better Craftsman range.
Better built than some of the Pro Craftsman stuff.
And I have lots of Craftsman Pro boxes for comparison, and have had lots of others.
The older CP stuff was better, but that applies to lots of tools out there.

Anyway, I had decided I needed a 56 inch top box. I had tried Craig’s List for a chest, but the prices were pretty high, and all the chests were smaller than I wanted. Best deal I found was 48 inch used Craftsman Industrial for 600 bucks. A good box, but enough shorter that I passed on it.
So when I found the 56 inch HF chest (normally 599) at their special order desk for 349, I was interested. They were willing to take a 20% off coupon, and no shipping as it would come on their regular truck.
So that brought the price down to a decent 280 bucks.
Now the box weighs 275 lbs so thus ‘a buck a pound’.
I figured for that little money, I could always sell it on CL, or even give it away if I didn’t want it.

I tried to get a review online but nothing for that box that actually applied to the box. I found several guys discussing it, (they obviously had never seen one) and three places that had measurements, insisting the box was 52 inches long, the extra four inches was in the handles.
That seemed logical because their 41 is listed as 44.
I was comfortable with 52, so that was no problem.
Unlike many of their products no owner’s manual or dimensions were available online. I found a similar box, but not exact enough to trust the numbers.
I ordered it and a week later (they had just got their truck, so it was a full week) it arrived.
They called as soon as they had it off the truck, so I drove up and picked it up.
Fork lift had no problem putting it in the bed. Shipping weight is supposed to be about 275, but the weight on the box said 279.
Frankly, I think the shipping weight is closer to 300 lbs.
So here it is in the box;
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And sitting on the Matco;
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Here is the whole herd, for scale. The Craftsman Pro’s at the end are 41 inches wide, the SnapOn/Blue Point at the other end is 40 inches width.
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The chest itself is NOT 52 inches. It is 56 and ¼ inches. Or half an inch wider than the Matco.
The legs under the box, two standard pieces of rectangular tubing, are longer than the Matco allows for.
I intend to trim about a quarter inch off each of the ends of both legs, but for now, it’s sitting on a piece of half inch OSB.
I wanted to live with the box a week or so before doing any modifications.
The longest two drawers are 37.3 long, all drawers are 19.6 deep.
I did not put the three handles (front, each side) on the box because in my application they would just be in the way.

So the Good, the bad, the ugly.

Good;
Price was darn good. A buck a pound for a big box ain’t bad.
The box is BIG. 56.25 (not including handles) by 22 deep by 25 tall.
Decent depth on the drawers.
The two biggest drawers are also deep. At 37 plus inches they hold a lot.;
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The three biggest drawers have double slides. That’s the two 37 inchers and that strange end drawer.
I tested it with 100 lbs in a drawer, no problem.
The top are is large, here it is with a few hammers;
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All the drawers slide in and out with heavy loads.
The lock works well.
The top does NOT have to be open to use the drawers. Something I loathe in a tool box. Having the top always open means more dirt, more time to get a tool, just plain a pain. On a Craftsman Griplatch you can lock it on the second lock, on some Waterloo boxes you can just close the top and use the drawers, but on a SnapOn, for example, if the top isn’t standing open, the drawers will lock when you close them.
Anyway, I find it is much more convenient to be able to leave the huge lid shut.

Bad;
It’s so darn big. Too long for most bottom chests. This would be a nice chest on a triple.
The top is too low. They list it at 4.4 inches. That means a Hanson or clone with a tall socket will bump the lid. Wrenches or something might work well. It is 1233 square inches so that is a LOT of space.

The silly ‘main door’ as they refer to the big square thing;
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Right now I have it full of body hammers and dollies. It handles the weight (about 75 lbs) with ease, but it is just not a good use of that much space. Three little drawers, heck, one big deep drawer, would be much more effective.
It has a drawer in the top, and two’ half drawers’ in the bottom, but then there is that big square hole thing. I presently have bolts through them, making big thick ‘peg hooks’ and have tools hanging on them, but there must be a better use for them. There are no hooks, suggestions, whatever with the box.
Paint color is not my favorite. OK, that’s a nitpick.

The ugly;
Ok, the general sticker is ugly, but it will go away when I get time and the heat gun.
Really ugly, there were two drops of oil, one under each piston. I have seen that on new pistons before and it didn’t necessarily mean anything. They like to oil them before shipping. But it would not surprise me if the pistons (which work great now) had a short life. But then, I just replaced the ones in my SnapOn chest with car ones, for less than seven bucks, so that’s not a real worry.
Fit and finish was at best, OK. Most noticeable was a poorly aligned beam in the left side;
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As opposed to the correct right side;
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This seems to have no effect on the function, it just isn’t ‘nice’.

Overall, I'm pleased with the box.
For the price it holds a LOT of tools, fills the top of the Matco, and will lock up nicely.
The part number is 94497.
 
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Forgot to mention, but I'm not sure if it is good or bad, the right hand 'lock and roll' or anti-open latches.
They are the kind you catch with your finger before opening the drawer.
I dislike them about as much as the SnapOn lock and roll, and it took me about the same amount of time to decide to disable them. About one minute.
Which is about how long it took to do it.
On the SnapOn boxes I just yank the long plastic piece out and store it.
On these drawers I just used a 1/4 inch nut and stuffed it into the latches to hold them open.
If I roll the box, I will lock it.
 

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Holy ****!, have a few toolboxes why dontcha:bounce:. Whenever my wife ******* at me for my tools I'm going to show her these pics, I'm a peasant compared to your collection. I am in the market for a new top chest, was looking at Montezuma, now I'll have to check harbor freight. MY little Snappie roller is only 36 inches though so I'm limited in selection.
 
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Holy ****!, have a few toolboxes why dontcha:bounce:. Whenever my wife ******* at me for my tools I'm going to show her these pics, I'm a peasant compared to your collection. I am in the market for a new top chest, was looking at Montezuma, now I'll have to check harbor freight. MY little Snappie roller is only 36 inches though so I'm limited in selection.


What can I say, I like tool boxes:).
Still have a couple empty drawers, so I can indulge my tool habit when I find something new.

The 36 inch boxes can be hard to find. I was looking for one to go on my Craftsman Industrial seven drawer bottom for awhile, then just decided not to bother.

I do think 36 inch is a very useful size. The 40's on up can be sort of hard to move around, hard to find a place for. The 27 inch stuff is just too dang short for so many tools.
34 and 36 are really excellent boxes, but usually cost more than 40 inch. :(
 

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what are the dimesions of the big square drawer? just trying to figure out if I could make it usable space for suction paint guns or if i would have to modify the **** out of it to make it useful. Great review and I thought I had a tool addiction problem. ; )
 

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wow, i am envy of your toolboxes!

i has exact same with your craftsman 40in full 6 wide drawer bottom, i love it as it is use to "bench" for all my tools or put the something on it so i dont have to put anything on floor because my work dont have many benches!!!!
 
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what are the dimesions of the big square drawer? just trying to figure out if I could make it usable space for suction paint guns or if i would have to modify the **** out of it to make it useful. Great review and I thought I had a tool addiction problem. ; )

The big square drawer (I think you mean what they are calling the main door) is 13.2 x 20.7 x 16.1 or 13 wide by 16 tall by 20 deep.
And paint guns would fit in there as is.
I just tested a paint gun, and two airless sprayers, all three fit in without mods.
I have a cabinet for paint guns, but yeah, that would be a good use for the square drawer.
 
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wow, i am envy of your toolboxes!

i has exact same with your craftsman 40in full 6 wide drawer bottom, i love it as it is use to "bench" for all my tools or put the something on it so i dont have to put anything on floor because my work dont have many benches!!!!

Hi, yeah it's the same part number as that box you picked up awhile back.
I got it with the center single drawer, the top chest, a six drawer sidelocker and a folding 'shelf'. I seem to be collecting those shelves...

I like the rollers on it. When I picked it up, the bottom two drawers were very stiff, but a few minutes in the solvent tank, and some assembly lube and they felt like new.

I like the long drawers, don't like the metal 'fin' in the front of each drawer, but I guess they needed it to make it stiff enough.

I could not stand how hard it was to open each drawer. Waterloo and their dang clips.
I tried lubing the back rods the ones the clips pinch, and it was still too hard. So I removed the left clip on all eleven drawers. Since I always open it from the right side, that did the trick.

I also like how deep the bottom drawers are.

Frankly, it holds a lot more than the Blue Point/ SnapOn combo on the other end.
 

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Excellent, insightful review, Chris. Very good info for anyone considering one of those units.

What exactly are you filling all those boxes with?!
 

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Excellent, insightful review, Chris. Very good info for anyone considering one of those units.

What exactly are you filling all those boxes with?!

That's what I'm wondering!

Chris, you said it was a good buy for what you paid for it. What if someone paid $540 for it (regular price minus 20% coupon)?

Still a good buy for that price?
 
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Excellent, insightful review, Chris. Very good info for anyone considering one of those units.

What exactly are you filling all those boxes with?!

Um, tools?
Seriously, I have a reasonable collection of tools. When I worked in a shop (Ford back in the day) I only needed the tools we used. And only the ones in the area I was working.
I have a buddy that did heavy line at Cadillac dealerships. No need for interior tools, no need for tools for a Mitsubishi or an F350.
Since I am a hobbyist I may find myself tinkering on anything from my F350 to my nephews Mini, on the same day. Seem to need a lot of specialty tools.
And I never get rid of a tool unless I get a better version of it. So I have the tools for working on everything from a Willy’s Aero Ace to the CAN system electronics.
Adds up after awhile.

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That's what I'm wondering!

Chris, you said it was a good buy for what you paid for it. What if someone paid $540 for it (regular price minus 20% coupon)?

Still a good buy for that price?

That's a darn good question.

If it wasn't damaged, I would consider it a good price, not a killer, or 'why not?' deal.
And if you have to pay shipping? Then it would drop into the buy a nice used box instead group.
At least, where I am. There are plenty of used boxes out there, just not big chests.
But I have the LA basin, 20+ million people selling things around here.

I guess an important thing to consider would be what are the options for a box that big?

http://www.sears.com/shc/s/p_10153_12605_00995596000P?vName=Tools&cName=Tool+Storage&sName=Top+Chest

Is a sears box that I would expect to be much nicer.
It's also 2800 bucks...

So if I needed a big tool chest, and I didn't want to go into debt and couldn't find a low price SnapOn, Mac or Matco, yup, I would buy it for that.

Buying it for 280 is better though.




This will hold tools, lock safely, drawers will work, and it actually looks better in person. The paint isn't really pink,the camera just sees things the human eye doesn't.
 

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I do think 36 inch is a very useful size. The 40's on up can be sort of hard to move around, hard to find a place for. The 27 inch stuff is just too dang short for so many tools.
34 and 36 are really excellent boxes, but usually cost more than 40 inch. :(

I'm thinking of putting a 40 inch chest on top of it, screw the over hang. I've had the roller since 1992, haven't really had a chance to use it much in the last 13 years. Now I have a shop almost complete so I'll use it again, plus since I've been on here I've aquired a few more tools, go figure:lol_hitti
 
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I'm thinking of putting a 40 inch chest on top of it, screw the over hang. I've had the roller since 1992, haven't really had a chance to use it much in the last 13 years. Now I have a shop almost complete so I'll use it again, plus since I've been on here I've aquired a few more tools, go figure:lol_hitti

Yeah, this place does that to us.:lol_hitti

I did that 40 on a 36 with a Craftsman Industrial 36 bottom with a SnapOn 4114 40 inch top.
It worked. The down side was it looked odd.
Two inches hanging off each side wasn't unsafe.
Since the Craftsman was 20 inches, same as the SnapOn, it was very stable.

I have turned down more than one 40 inch Craftsman Griplatch top, new, for 100 bucks so financially getting a 40 inch should be a lot easier.

Heck, if you could stand it, the HF 40 inch top chest, usually 299, is often around for 200 bucks. It is a pretty good box, at least, the dozen or so I've looked at are.

I found a picture of the 40 on a 36, but it is in the background. The red box on the black box on the left.
You can see it actually fit pretty good.


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I would've gotten me a KR660B or KRL661 to go underneath that KR690 ... and then I would've gotten me a KR1200 to go on top of that KR1000. The rest of the boxes would've been sold. :pimpflash
 

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I did that 40 on a 36 with a Craftsman Industrial 36 bottom with a SnapOn 4114 40 inch top.
It worked. The down side was it looked odd.
Two inches hanging off each side wasn't unsafe.]

Only Merk cares what it looks like, me, I'm a function kind of guy:thumbup:.

IF I could justify the money I'd buy a Snap on that fits but I can't justify it. My roller is a kr555d. I've been watching Craigs list around me but its rural Maine, not much on there and what is on there is over priced. I've though about selling the roller and just buying a complete new box but again, too much money for the use it would get.

Wish I could see one of these up close
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Looks like it would keep stuff right out front, easy to get to and easy to inventory. I'm leaning toward one of these but haven't pulled the trigger yet
 
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I would've gotten me a KR660B or KRL661 to go underneath that KR690 ... and then I would've gotten me a KR1200 to go on top of that KR1000. The rest of the boxes would've been sold. :pimpflash

Um, what KR690?
The KR1000 has a KR1100 on top of it, why change that?
I take it you don't like Matco?
 
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Only Merk cares what it looks like, me, I'm a function kind of guy:thumbup:.

IF I could justify the money I'd buy a Snap on that fits but I can't justify it. My roller is a kr555d. I've been watching Craigs list around me but its rural Maine, not much on there and what is on there is over priced. I've though about selling the roller and just buying a complete new box but again, too much money for the use it would get.

Wish I could see one of these up close
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Looks like it would keep stuff right out front, easy to get to and easy to inventory. I'm leaning toward one of these but haven't pulled the trigger yet

That is a nice looking box. Wonder how flexible it is? I mean, how much can you vary the positions? I keep changing tools over the years, and I hate being limited myself.
 

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While killing time at Harbor Freight the other day I came across a special order toolbox that looked interesting.
I was looking for a top chest for a Matco 4725 box.
I had pretty much completed my toolbox quest, and I have most brands of toolbox, (And I mean most brands) and have had probably all the known brands, plus a lot that no one seems to have ever heard of.
But oddly, I have never bought any HF boxes.
Most of their boxes are pretty thin stuff, not very useful, in my opinion. The exception is the General 41 (?) inch setup.
I have seen those get better over the last few years, till it looks like a useful box. Frankly, the quality on the ones at my local HF are definitely in the better Craftsman range.
Better built than some of the Pro Craftsman stuff.
And I have lots of Craftsman Pro boxes for comparison, and have had lots of others.
The older CP stuff was better, but that applies to lots of tools out there.

Anyway, I had decided I needed a 56 inch top box. I had tried Craig’s List for a chest, but the prices were pretty high, and all the chests were smaller than I wanted. Best deal I found was 48 inch used Craftsman Industrial for 600 bucks. A good box, but enough shorter that I passed on it.
So when I found the 56 inch HF chest (normally 599) at their special order desk for 349, I was interested. They were willing to take a 20% off coupon, and no shipping as it would come on their regular truck.
So that brought the price down to a decent 280 bucks.
Now the box weighs 275 lbs so thus ‘a buck a pound’.
I figured for that little money, I could always sell it on CL, or even give it away if I didn’t want it.

I tried to get a review online but nothing for that box that actually applied to the box. I found several guys discussing it, (they obviously had never seen one) and three places that had measurements, insisting the box was 52 inches long, the extra four inches was in the handles.
That seemed logical because their 41 is listed as 44.
I was comfortable with 52, so that was no problem.
Unlike many of their products no owner’s manual or dimensions were available online. I found a similar box, but not exact enough to trust the numbers.
I ordered it and a week later (they had just got their truck, so it was a full week) it arrived.
They called as soon as they had it off the truck, so I drove up and picked it up.
Fork lift had no problem putting it in the bed. Shipping weight is supposed to be about 275, but the weight on the box said 279.
Frankly, I think the shipping weight is closer to 300 lbs.
So here it is in the box;
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And sitting on the Matco;
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Here is the whole herd, for scale. The Craftsman Pro’s at the end are 41 inches wide, the SnapOn/Blue Point at the other end is 40 inches width.
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The chest itself is NOT 52 inches. It is 56 and ¼ inches. Or half an inch wider than the Matco.
The legs under the box, two standard pieces of rectangular tubing, are longer than the Matco allows for.
I intend to trim about a quarter inch off each of the ends of both legs, but for now, it’s sitting on a piece of half inch OSB.
I wanted to live with the box a week or so before doing any modifications.
The longest two drawers are 37.3 long, all drawers are 19.6 deep.
I did not put the three handles (front, each side) on the box because in my application they would just be in the way.

So the Good, the bad, the ugly.

Good;
Price was darn good. A buck a pound for a big box ain’t bad.
The box is BIG. 56.25 (not including handles) by 22 deep by 25 tall.
Decent depth on the drawers.
The two biggest drawers are also deep. At 37 plus inches they hold a lot.;
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The three biggest drawers have double slides. That’s the two 37 inchers and that strange end drawer.
I tested it with 100 lbs in a drawer, no problem.
The top are is large, here it is with a few hammers;
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All the drawers slide in and out with heavy loads.
The lock works well.
The top does NOT have to be open to use the drawers. Something I loathe in a tool box. Having the top always open means more dirt, more time to get a tool, just plain a pain. On a Craftsman Griplatch you can lock it on the second lock, on some Waterloo boxes you can just close the top and use the drawers, but on a SnapOn, for example, if the top isn’t standing open, the drawers will lock when you close them.
Anyway, I find it is much more convenient to be able to leave the huge lid shut.

Bad;
It’s so darn big. Too long for most bottom chests. This would be a nice chest on a triple.
The top is too low. They list it at 4.4 inches. That means a Hanson or clone with a tall socket will bump the lid. Wrenches or something might work well. It is 1233 square inches so that is a LOT of space.

The silly ‘main door’ as they refer to the big square thing;
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Right now I have it full of body hammers and dollies. It handles the weight (about 75 lbs) with ease, but it is just not a good use of that much space. Three little drawers, heck, one big deep drawer, would be much more effective.
It has a drawer in the top, and two’ half drawers’ in the bottom, but then there is that big square hole thing. I presently have bolts through them, making big thick ‘peg hooks’ and have tools hanging on them, but there must be a better use for them. There are no hooks, suggestions, whatever with the box.
Paint color is not my favorite. OK, that’s a nitpick.

The ugly;
Ok, the general sticker is ugly, but it will go away when I get time and the heat gun.
Really ugly, there were two drops of oil, one under each piston. I have seen that on new pistons before and it didn’t necessarily mean anything. They like to oil them before shipping. But it would not surprise me if the pistons (which work great now) had a short life. But then, I just replaced the ones in my SnapOn chest with car ones, for less than seven bucks, so that’s not a real worry.
Fit and finish was at best, OK. Most noticeable was a poorly aligned beam in the left side;
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As opposed to the correct right side;
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This seems to have no effect on the function, it just isn’t ‘nice’.

Overall, I'm pleased with the box.
For the price it holds a LOT of tools, fills the top of the Matco, and will lock up nicely.
The part number is 94497.





Just wanted to say that I bought this box right after this review for the same price.:thumbup:

It took 10 days to come in on Monday's regular delivery and I've been playing with it this week. It swallowed the entire contents of the Crapsman homeowner box I've had for 10 years or so with the weird side drawer leftover. I put my 2 4" grinders on one side and the 3/8" and 1/2" drills on the other. The small drawer on top of it got the grinding disks and oddball drill bits, so I feel I'm getting decent use out of it.

I put it on top of a machine frame base I got for free that was within 1" widthwise, so after I pretty that up and finish modifying it, it'll have 4 shallow drawers and some side storage on the bottom unit. Where the recip saw is lying I'm going to add another drawer.

I have a 56" wide setup 6' tall for $300!:beer:
 

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Chris, regarding:

Since I am a hobbyist I may find myself tinkering on anything from my F350...

So when did you get rid of the F150?

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Chris, regarding:

Since I am a hobbyist I may find myself tinkering on anything from my F350...

So when did you get rid of the F150?

Cheers,

Hank Murphy
2008 F15 XL

Didn't.
Has almost 30k miles on it now.
I have four trucks, plus the newest
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which I don't know if I'm gonna fix up, make a rat rod out of, or sell.
 
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