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Reit38

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Anyone good with home animation? I started buying a few things now, not really knowing what to look for. I recently purchased Visonic window/door sensors only to notice to late that they don't work with Wink hubs. Which is what I have. Is there anyway to work around this with like IFTTT or anything?

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A wink gun, is a gun that winks at your targets vs shooting bullets... Its what some americans prefer other americans use instead of real guns
 

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We do not have wink guns in Arizona. We prefer to shoot real bullets even as the invaders run out of our houses and are protected by the law while shooting at them running toward their get away cars. Winking at them would lead us to be *******, possibly knifed to death in our own living rooms. An older lady in Paradise Valley had a wink gun. She was killed by her home invaders who got away.
 

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https://www.wink.com/products/wink-hub/

well thats certainly different than a wink gun :lol_hitti

Something you need to be aware of, is that home automation up to this point has lacked any sort of meaningful encryption making your electronics suceptible to hacking. While for most people, this isnt a problem (perceived) I still prefer my theif to have the lock picking skill set of the last century.

This way when he ends up in prison he atleast knows how to use his hands :lol_hitti
 

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We do not have wink guns in Arizona. We prefer to shoot real bullets even as the invaders run out of our houses and are protected by the law while shooting at them running toward their get away cars. Winking at them would lead us to be *******, possibly knifed to death in our own living rooms. An older lady in Paradise Valley had a wink gun. She was killed by her home invaders who got away.

Thanks for the non-related rant. Now on to our regular programming.
 
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Reit38

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Well this was about pointless

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I have a Wink Hub 2 connected to a bunch of z-wave door deadbolts, light switches and a gateway to my 3 garage doors. While it works, it hasn't been "great".
Frankly, the system hasn't been completely reliable and I often go and manually check that the doors are actually locked. I would not count on it for security.
That said, I have the lights set on a timer with the wink app, and that works.
Carl
 

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The home automation equip I have used so far is not yet plug and play...it takes some messing around. I had a samsung smart hub in our last house that directed several z wave light switches and that was about 95% reliable. I also had set up a IFTTT app that set back our Ecobee3 thermostats when we were away from the house (based on our smart phone locations)... that one made me feel very clever, and I think we were saving about 15% on our utility bills. Now we moved and have left that all behind, but I have begun to think about it again...
 
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In order for the sensors to work, they have to communicate to a central hub that then connects to all the other services (IFTTT, etc).

I have a Samsung Smartthings hub and have the following connected to it: Smart Plugs, Smart Bulbs, Arlo Cameras, & Ecobee Thermostat. I enjoy playing with it and figuring out how to do the things I want.

My latest one was to turn on my bedside light when my alarm goes off and off when I hit the Dismiss button on my phone.
 

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I'm as bright as I look in the picture above.
I've used a few systems and found that most Z wave items play together nicely, like cell phones and bluetooth. The Wink Hub is kind of limiting. Unless it is pre programmed by Wink for a particular sensor, switch, or plug, it won't work. Other systems have more control.

I would buy a better hub. Like others said, it is the "brains" of the system

I've used this one in my last garage. I have yet to put it up in the new house. I was able to control products the previous company I worked for was only beta testing.

http://getvera.com/

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my 2 red cents worth....
I use Amazon Alexa to connect to home security company, NEST thermostats and cameras, Ecobee thermostat, Lutron lighting control using Lutron switches\ dimmers and outlets and have begun tying into Z wave controller for door locks ,etc.

*$%@# expensive and a PITA so far to just have at least 2 Alexa units ( I have 6 units through out the house) hear my voice to which one gets the command and the other states it doesn't recognize the device.
Another problem is remembering what the hell I named that device to have Alexa command it.

yes another thing to go wrong when one looses power or the internet.

And I hope the CIA, NSA, KBG, FBI, etc get a big laugh on them inquiries I make, or that the TV makes (it tried to order a pizza one night).
And no doubt that these listening units are always listening... so I unplug the unit that I don't want to listen for that moment and remind others in my home that big brother is listening.
Honestly, sometimes simplier is better.
 

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Vera (use one at the commercial site) has been dead reliable. We use the Vera Plus hub there with PLEG logic plugin to manage ecobee stats, security integration and window operation logic. It is not as pretty as Smartthings, but is 100% local for processing and over 2 yrs, dead reliable.

Smartthings I use with about 100 devices at home. It's about 90-95% and does require periodic sensor resets. It works well with our Zwave locks, although we're using a paid (Rboy) app to manage them. If your web is down, smartthings is useless.

As a standalone lighting system, anything we've used from Philips Hue has been 100%. Their motion sensors and lights all work excellent, even if manually turned off for lengthy periods. Save yourself a pile of trouble and just use Hue for lighting. Smartthings can talk to Hue, which is fine as long as you use Hue hub and app to manage the lights themselves.
If web is down, Hue will still work fine as their automation runs on the hub.

Logitech Harmony hub also integrates with Smartthings and works nicely to manage your entertainment center and lighting. If web is down, any smartthings integrations will fail, although any devices controlled by Harmony (like your tv/audio)directly will be fine.
 
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My idea of home automation is having a remote control for my TV. My brother in law put in all kinds of automation stuff when he remodeled his house 10 years ago and he hardly ever used it. Now it is all outdated.
 

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The reason for home automation (for me at least) had more to do with efficiency than anything else. These are the results from the work at business (Cinevate HQ) and two meters from our home. The basement was an apartment previous..hence the 2nd meter. Power use shown in red circles compares the same period before and after automation. Costs on bill 1 (business, about 9000 sq/ft) are over 30 days, the other two (home) reflect 60 day billing periods.

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Done with some thought, 25-40% power savings with zero behaviour changes were pretty easy to achieve over these sites. Payback period is 2-3 yrs if the numbers are a driver.

For someone looking to "go solar", investing in automation first would seriously reduce the size (and therefore cost) of an array to get to net zero.
 
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I also use a Vera Plus hub with some lighting, thermostat, sensors, energy monitoring and a few touchscreens around the house for interfaces. Vera has a pretty active community, but I'd love it even more if the company themselves would be a bit more agile and faster moving getting things implemented and new items added.

But I have to say that it's a very solid hub, never really an issue. Speed could be a bit better, but that's a mesh network thing that is often caused by some "slower moving" devices as part of the mesh I think.

--Zax
 

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What was the draw that made up the difference? Lazy people who cannot turn off lights? Put in occupancy sensor light controls and save the money from all the high tech gadgetry. I taught my family to turn off things that are not being used.
 

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What was the draw that made up the difference? Lazy people who cannot turn off lights? Put in occupancy sensor light controls and save the money from all the high tech gadgetry. I taught my family to turn off things that are not being used.

Whether business or home, folks tend to leave things on. My business sites uses automation as well as "dumb" occupancy sensors for each bank of lights (there are about 30 ceiling mounted sensors in the building) and they do work. Occupancy sensors have limitations that automation does not.

1. Automation knows when we're away..so the pets don't trigger any lights...and anything left on is shut off.

2. The system actively samples ambient outdoor light levels and sets interior lighting levels accordingly. In my tests, dimming a Zigbee light cuts the power use about the same amount as percentage dimming. This the same principle as commercial "light harvesting", but done a lot cheaper.

3. We use night light routines that disable most lights on motion..so again cutting a lot of power use.

4. HVAC such as our ERV unit run based on occupation and are held off during peak power cost times.

5. On the commercial side, HVAC is shut down altogether based on security zones and occupancy. There are still schedules on all the stats, but they can manage HOME and AWAY states (there are nine stats) based on automation rules. This gives the reliability of standalone systems (security, fire, lighting, HVAC) but having them communicate via automation makes the overall system a lot smarter.

I'd say the five points above are the major ones as we've cut consumption up to 40% with zero behavioural changes.

The important item with automation is that once programmed, you shouldn't have to mess with it at all. Vera and Hue fall into these categories.
 
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