Above 1200 Sq/FT Cleaning Up My Shop

[Toothaker]

I already had lots of files, now I have more. I need to figure out how to store them.

[snip]

You need to organize your files. How? You file them away, of course.

 

[Bob Heine]

WOW! $1.87 is the right price. I may have to try to buy one, so as to not get too much invested...

Andy, the $5.00 shipping will kill you. If you buy 38 file handles for $1.32 each, Zoro ships them for free (orders over $50).

If you don't need 38 handles, just buy two and add them to your set of 9 screw extractors (for just $47.95).
https://www.zoro.com/irwin-hanson-screw-extractor-set-9-pcs-52490/i/G3490864/

 

[Guster]

I think that's the best of the tools, except for a lot of files. Now, if I only knew how to use thread wires...

..

I use dividers much more on the wood lathe. There are instances where they are easier to use than hole gauges but of course they aren't rigid. They are the right tool for sheet metal work.

I keep hearing this malarkey about not having a forge, while a forge can be built of a few bricks and a hair dryer in a few minutes.

Nobody here even sells thread wires so I could learn to use them. Otherwise files are always handy and once they have outlived their purpose there is still some good steel to make things out of. Great material for forging into other cutting implements. Even used some in a pinch to make a form tool on the lathe.

I can see dividers being handy on a woodlathe. Otherwise they are just an indicating tool for steel work. As in indicating I'm close to size where I need to stop and do some proper measurement. Pretty dumb tool really

My forge is really just a nice to have other than for having the excuse to make it easier to bend some heavier steel to make a ball turner for my lathe. I could have had the steel cut from heavier stock by now if it was really urgent. The forge box is welded and the pile of bricks are there along with burners that need testing. Just a backburner project(almost literally) I'd like to button up as priorities allow. Same as the TIG water cooler, electronic weld cleaner etc. etc. Little piles of parts waiting on time and a little bit of magic... if only I had more Saturdays like you. Do you know how hard it is to avoid more projects like getting into casting muffins

Anyway... wife just bought a new hairdryer and she would kill me DEAD!

Thanks Bob - now I'm looking at file handles on Amazon. I may have found the limit on wishlist items you can have so far.

 

[Rex_A_Lott]

I spent several weeks in a filing school when I worked for Michelin, and we were taught all about using the Swiss pattern files with a proper wooden handle and " ze bump". However, since then I have seen many people use a golf ball for a file handle and they are often cheap or free. Good luck, nice file collection.

 

[oldironfarmer]

You need to organize your files. How? You file them away, of course.

No, no. You use them to file away other stuff.

I'm thinking abut this. Are you telling me I should file my files in a file file?

Andy, the $5.00 shipping will kill you. If you buy 38 file handles for $1.32 each, Zoro ships them for free (orders over $50).

If you don't need 38 handles, just buy two and add them to your set of 9 screw extractors (for just $47.95).
https://www.zoro.com/irwin-hanson-screw-extractor-set-9-pcs-52490/i/G3490864/

I want you to know I hate you. You are forcing me to spend money right into the poor house. I have a few larger files as well, and as yet no file file and most of my files are filed away with no handle. So I bought 10 of the A handles, ten 4-7/8", and two file cards. Along with hating you, I hate to buy stuff I really don't need just to get to free shipping. When I checked the cart I was at $50.16

I never use those screw extractors, in my opinion a disaster waiting to happen. If the hole in the screw is large enough to get a good bite the rim is thin enough for the extractor to spread the screw wall locking it in the hole and leading to extractor breakage. They can be problematic to drill out for novices. The square tapered ones are much less prone to breakage. And, they are easily made on the forge

Now I can file my files with a file card in the file file which becomes the file card file as well. In reality you really need a file card on hand wherever you are filing so you can properly clean the file as you're filing so you can file in the file file clean.

Maybe I don't hate you so much But mom still favored you and that just makes me so mad

Nobody here even sells thread wires so I could learn to use them. Otherwise files are always handy and once they have outlived their purpose there is still some good steel to make things out of. Great material for forging into other cutting implements. Even used some in a pinch to make a form tool on the lathe.

One of the best uses for old files is cutting bits for hand made axes, all traditionally forge welded into place.

I do know how to use thread wires, Machinery's Handbook has a good discourse, and the thread wire package has factors to add or subtract to arrive at the pitch diameter, major diameter and the minor diameter. But I have never tried. How hard could it be?

For those that are clueless, three thread wires, of specified size for the thread being measured, are used, one in a thread on a bolt, and two opposite that one. Then a micrometer is used to measure the outside of the assembly and factors based on the wire diameter and the thread size are used to ascertain the pitch and other diameters accurately.

I can see dividers being handy on a woodlathe. Otherwise they are just an indicating tool for steel work. As in indicating I'm close to size where I need to stop and do some proper measurement. Pretty dumb tool really

My forge is really just a nice to have other than for having the excuse to make it easier to bend some heavier steel to make a ball turner for my lathe. I could have had the steel cut from heavier stock by now if it was really urgent. The forge box is welded and the pile of bricks are there along with burners that need testing. Just a backburner project(almost literally) I'd like to button up as priorities allow. Same as the TIG water cooler, electronic weld cleaner etc. etc. Little piles of parts waiting on time and a little bit of magic... if only I had more Saturdays like you. Do you know how hard it is to avoid more projects like getting into casting muffins

Have you made a ball turner? That is on my list. I'm leaning toward the style with a horizontal axis mounted in the tool holder rather than a vertical axis mounted directly on the cross slide. My machinist buddy has a nice commercially made one which has the cutting tool in the middle of a semicircle and pivots on both ends: not a cantilever tool. A lot more tool than I was planning. His goes on the cross slide as well. You can also make a dandy one mounted on the ways like a center rest.

Anyway... wife just bought a new hairdryer and she would kill me DEAD!

We can buy a $10 hair dryer, and those with burned out heating coils can be had for half a dollar at garage sales.

Thanks Bob - now I'm looking at file handles on Amazon. I may have found the limit on wishlist items you can have so far.

It's Bob's fault. As much as I like making handles, at less than $2 each I need handles.

I spent several weeks in a filing school when I worked for Michelin, and we were taught all about using the Swiss pattern files with a proper wooden handle and " ze bump". However, since then I have seen many people use a golf ball for a file handle and they are often cheap or free. Good luck, nice file collection.

Several weeks in filing school? My librarian friend did that.

Never seen a golf ball handle. What is ze bump on a proper wooden handle?

Thanks for the visits and great comments!!

 

[oldironfarmer]

Thought it would be appropriate to show you a picture of my file file.

I really like them stored like this better

And, just for Drives, this is my latest acquisition with four wheels. I like the stainless drum. I have a similar one and keep chasing after it so I thought two would not be out of order.

Scraped the worst off the tractor gearbox and started taking it apart.

Not good, shaft is buggered up, thrust bearing races are broken, seal mount is broken out of the casting, and bits of metal everywhere. And it is not all apart yet.

Thanks for visiting. I'm off to a little vacation at MD Anderson in Houston I love that place! They saved my wife's life, you know.

 

[Craptain]

Thanks for visiting. I'm off to a little vacation at MD Anderson in Houston I love that place! They saved my wife's life, you know.

I hope that this visit is equally rewarding.


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[Guster]

Have you made a ball turner? That is on my list. I'm leaning toward the style with a horizontal axis mounted in the tool holder rather than a vertical axis mounted directly on the cross slide. My machinist buddy has a nice commercially made one which has the cutting tool in the middle of a semicircle and pivots on both ends: not a cantilever tool. A lot more tool than I was planning. His goes on the cross slide as well. You can also make a dandy one mounted on the ways like a center rest.

It's Bob's fault. As much as I like making handles, at less than $2 each I need handles.

Have not made the radius/ball turner yet. I'm favouring the Holdridge style setup ie. http://www.travers.com/holdridge-radii-cutter-sets/p/91837/ They cost more than my lathe here and I like it over the others for the flexibility and capacity matching that of my lathe. I took it as an opportunity to forge the parts rather than cut it out of some expensive thick plate stock. Thus needing some means of providing a lot of heat.

It is all about the journey...

Bob has a lot to answer for... least he's in good company because so do we!

 

[jbmatth]

Well, can I put you down for one, JB? You have brought me enough aluminum for 100 of them.

I don't quite see the need for 100 aluminum hammers but one should do the trick just fine.
JB

 

[madoc1]

hope the trip to houston goes well. is it for you or your wife? either way, sure hope it goes the way you hope. they are the best!

jim

 

[shortykorte]

Safe travels.


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[1/2 Cup]

Andy, all the best for your trip

 

[ajohno]

Safe travels Andy.

 

[dlcwent]

I took a few days off and enjoyed a long holiday extended weekend and I come back to find you've disappeared. Guess I'll check back later and find out what you did while you were out gallivanting around the countryside.

Safe travels friend.

 

[tym]

No, no. You use them to file away other stuff.

I'm thinking abut this. Are you telling me I should file my files in a file file?

Though sometimes they wind up in the circular file.

 

[krcoomer]

Andy: My wife is a school librarian who no longer has a physical card catalog. I would love to have a card file to file my files and file cards in. Unfortunately when I have been to the surplus auctions the pinterested people bid them up to an ungodly price.

Best wishes and prayers for your MD Anderson vacation. They do some wonderful work there.

 

[oldironfarmer]

My wife and I had a safe trip to MD Anderson, in Houston. As a bit of background, I have prostate cancer, and they asked me several years ago if I would be willing to participate in a research program rather than undergo treatment. Knowing they saved my wife's life with a Stage 3 brain tumor, I reasoned that if nobody agreed to research the there would be less progress and they probably would not have been able to help her.

So over the last four or so years I have had many prostate biopsies (what a pain in the ****), and I keep asking them to reassure me that I'm not in a placebo group and one day they say "sorry!" This trip they told me they were postponing my annual biopsy, due in January, until January 2019 (I really dread the biopsies)

Last January a very nice and attractive lady Dr. ****** performed the biopsy. My friends have said "The government (Medicare) paid for a ****** to do what?"

 

[Toothaker]

Andy, I'm glad your travels were safe. Sorry to hear about the repeated pain in the **** procedures you have to endure.

My wife had to go to a maternal fetal medicine specialist when she was pregnant with our daughter since it was a high risk pregnancy. The local MFM was unavailable, so we had to travel to Kansas City regularly. His name is Dr. Weiner - which made me giggle like a 10 year old boy every time I heard his name. "Paging Dr. Weiner!" But he is a great doctor and got her through it successfully.

 

[oldironfarmer]

I hope that this visit is equally rewarding.

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It was a very good visit. Thank you!!

Have not made the radius/ball turner yet. I'm favouring the Holdridge style setup ie. http://www.travers.com/holdridge-radii-cutter-sets/p/91837/ They cost more than my lathe here and I like it over the others for the flexibility and capacity matching that of my lathe. I took it as an opportunity to forge the parts rather than cut it out of some expensive thick plate stock. Thus needing some means of providing a lot of heat.

It is all about the journey...

Bob has a lot to answer for... least he's in good company because so do we!

My machinist friend has a Holdridge ball turner. A large one. It is pretty nice.

And, yes, it's the journey!

What can we do with Bob, so many things are illegal

I don't quite see the need for 100 aluminum hammers but one should do the trick just fine.
JB

One it is, then! Thanks for stopping in!

hope the trip to houston goes well. is it for you or your wife? either way, sure hope it goes the way you hope. they are the best!

jim

It was for me, but she went along for moral support. They are the best. Anybody who needs cancer treatment should seriously consider MD Anderson.

Safe travels.


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Thank you!

Andy, all the best for your trip

Thank you!

Safe travels Andy.

Thank you!

I took a few days off and enjoyed a long holiday extended weekend and I come back to find you've disappeared. Guess I'll check back later and find out what you did while you were out gallivanting around the countryside.

Safe travels friend.

I wondered as I wandered.

Though sometimes they wind up in the circular file.

Reminds me of the concept of a hollow file for people who need to get a word in edgewise.

Andy: My wife is a school librarian who no longer has a physical card catalog. I would love to have a card file to file my files and file cards in. Unfortunately when I have been to the surplus auctions the pinterested people bid them up to an ungodly price.

Best wishes and prayers for your MD Anderson vacation. They do some wonderful work there.

I have a couple of unused card files, I need to get them out and into service.

MD Anderson is a state institution and it boggles the mind what they are able to do. Our doctor in Tulsa told us that procedures they were reading about in medical journals are already routine at MD Anderson. People from all over the world come there for treatment.

Andy, I'm glad your travels were safe. Sorry to hear about the repeated pain in the **** procedures you have to endure.

My wife had to go to a maternal fetal medicine specialist when she was pregnant with our daughter since it was a high risk pregnancy. The local MFM was unavailable, so we had to travel to Kansas City regularly. His name is Dr. Weiner - which made me giggle like a 10 year old boy every time I heard his name. "Paging Dr. Weiner!" But he is a great doctor and got her through it successfully.

Dr. Weiner should have been in assisted reproductive services.

Interesting how over the long term those humorous connections disappear over the long term. Wife had a friend who married a guy named Hollopeter. We never got over that one. Unfortunately they divorced.

 

[bolensboneyard]

:Glad things went well for you Andy. Now, get back to work; I mean play.

 

[dchance]

Andy glad to hear the good repot and the safe trip.

Dwight

 

[oldironfarmer]

:Glad things went well for you Andy. Now, get back to work; I mean play.

Yes sir!

Andy glad to hear the good report and the safe trip.

Dwight

Thanks!

 

[Bob Heine]

Andy, glad to hear the MD Anderson visit went well and your wife going along for moral support shows just how well you married.

I'm pretty sure my wife would have told them to use a dull needle so I would know how big a pain in the *** I am.

 

[oldironfarmer]

Andy, glad to hear the MD Anderson visit went well and your wife going along for moral support shows just how well you married.

I'm pretty sure my wife would have told them to use a dull needle so I would know how big a pain in the *** I am.

She is a peach. I married way up.

I'm also pretty sure you have a devoted wife. Even if she has learned how to manage the monster.

Thanks for stopping in!!

 

[charleyw]

I don't comment but follow along regularly,
"(I really dread the biopsies)" I know how you feel.

I had prostate cancer several years ago, fairly agressive so had a radical prosectomy via DaVinci robot at St. Johns. Very interesting if you're not the subject.

All that to say this, The biopsy was the most painful part of the whole process.
Hope everything continues to go well for you.

I really enjoy your thread.

 

[drivesitfar]

Andy: I was afraid the trip was for your wife and not good news and then to hear she came along to support you cause it was your appointment. i've been a bit busy lately so not sure i have all the details correct, but i do know that i'm sending prayers for both you and your bride and hoping for the best.

cheers and also crossing fingers and toes!!

 

[Guster]

Great news Andy.

Sounds like a perfect excuse to celebrate with some aluminium muffins or a few more hammers.

Have a great Saturday.

PS. Just don’t go buying any farms anytime soon!

 

[madoc1]

just for everyones edificacion, the whole houston medical complex is one of the best in the world. md for cancer and methodist for heart work and transplants. just saying.

jim

 

[oldironfarmer]

I don't comment but follow along regularly,
"(I really dread the biopsies)" I know how you feel.

I had prostate cancer several years ago, fairly agressive so had a radical prosectomy via DaVinci robot at St. Johns. Very interesting if you're not the subject.

All that to say this, The biopsy was the most painful part of the whole process.
Hope everything continues to go well for you.

I really enjoy your thread.

So, you get (or got) the point.

Sometimes I wish I had just had surgery like was recommended in Tulsa. The pain would be ancient history now. But participating in research is worth something.

Andy: I was afraid the trip was for your wife and not good news and then to hear she came along to support you cause it was your appointment. i've been a bit busy lately so not sure i have all the details correct, but i do know that i'm sending prayers for both you and your bride and hoping for the best.

cheers and also crossing fingers and toes!!

I don't think we'll make a trip for my wife. She has decided she will take no more treatment. Fortunately I haven't had the opportunity to prove her dedication to that decision. However I did not go through the chemotherapy and radiation that she did. So we live one day at a time.

Thanks for your prayers!!

Great news Andy.

Sounds like a perfect excuse to celebrate with some aluminium muffins or a few more hammers.

Have a great Saturday.

PS. Just don’t go buying any farms anytime soon!

I see melting aluminum in my future. I also need to get on some handles to get rid of the hammers I have laying around.

It was a good Sunday but it's Saturday tomorrow!!

Hmmm, why should I not buy any more farms? That one went over my head... I like buying farms

just for everyones edificacion, the whole houston medical complex is one of the best in the world. md for cancer and methodist for heart work and transplants. just saying.

jim

The man speaks the truth.

There seems to be construction there all the time. I would like to know how many yards of concrete they average in a week. When we were living at MD Anderson during my wife's recovery I would take an early morning walk and there was always concrete being poured. One job in particular was a parking garage, two pumper trucks, each with twin feeds, so there were four transit mixers backed up dumping concrete. 12 to 15 trucks waiting and it only took them a couple of minutes to switch trucks. They were probably pouring over 500 yards per hour with that setup.

Thanks for the comments and support, guys!

 

[oldironfarmer]

Just a little Sunday update. Spent some time putting the kiln controller back together.

Added a floor flange to the bottom for a support.

Fan is mounted and working good on 6v so far. It's been a long time a coming. Should be ready to cook some furnace parts!

 

[Lyndon]

My wife and I had a safe trip to MD Anderson, in Houston. As a bit of background, I have prostate cancer, and they asked me several years ago if I would be willing to participate in a research program rather than undergo treatment. Knowing they saved my wife's life with a Stage 3 brain tumor, I reasoned that if nobody agreed to research the there would be less progress and they probably would not have been able to help her.

So over the last four or so years I have had many prostate biopsies (what a pain in the ****), and I keep asking them to reassure me that I'm not in a placebo group and one day they say "sorry!" This trip they told me they were postponing my annual biopsy, due in January, until January 2019 (I really dread the biopsies)

Last January a very nice and attractive lady Dr. ****** performed the biopsy. My friends have said "The government (Medicare) paid for a ****** to do what?"

Andy

I don't know how, but I missed that post..... Then the email update arrived and everyone is sending you good wishes. . . . .

Anyway - I've gone back now and got caught up, again.

Glad to hear all is, relatively, well!

My understanding , supported by recent reading, suggests that just keeping an eye on PC is sometimes the best way to deal with it, especially as it's normally a very slow growing Cancer. Avoiding Chemo is a very good idea.

And good on you for being involved in the research thingy.

Enjoy your next Saturday, later today.

Lyndon
Into another Monday here!

 

[drivesitfar]

Andy: i wish i'd heard of that clinic/hospital about 6 years ago when my little sister had 4th stage liver cancer and was told by her Dr. that she had 9 months to live. she lasted 15 on about a million dollars worth of cheemo and surgeries and died at about 70 pounds (she was 6 foot tall).

really happy to hear you are doing a treatment that might save other lives as i hope it saves yours cause even with all you have going on in your life you still have a good soul and sense of humor.

the Dr. ****** one is priceless.

almost as priceless is the 4 wheel machine you bought last week (vacuum). did you fly or drive and did you manage to see a few prospects for buying some more 4 wheeled vehicles on your trip?

cheers and keep making muffins and feeding the cows.

ALL THE BEST!!

 

[oldironfarmer]

Andy

I don't know how, but I missed that post..... Then the email update arrived and everyone is sending you good wishes. . . . .

Anyway - I've gone back now and got caught up, again.

Glad to hear all is, relatively, well!

My understanding , supported by recent reading, suggests that just keeping an eye on PC is sometimes the best way to deal with it, especially as it's normally a very slow growing Cancer. Avoiding Chemo is a very good idea.

And good on you for being involved in the research thingy.

Enjoy your next Saturday, later today.

Lyndon
Into another Monday here!

Thank you, Lyndon. The research program has been going on for more than ten years. Several hundred participants. They suspect surgery has been overprescribed for PC based on PSA numbers. Point of research is to understand the relationship between PSA and "benign" cancer. My local doctor is telling me to have surgery. I pressed MD Anderson in January as my PSA is over 15. The doctor whom I respect greatly said "you will die with this cancer, not of it, and we expect you to live well into your 90's."

Andy: i wish i'd heard of that clinic/hospital about 6 years ago when my little sister had 4th stage liver cancer and was told by her Dr. that she had 9 months to live. she lasted 15 on about a million dollars worth of cheemo and surgeries and died at about 70 pounds (she was 6 foot tall).

They don't succeed in all cases and stage 4 is dramatically worse than stage 3. Sorry to hear of your loss. I truly am. The doctors were surprised my wife survived.

really happy to hear you are doing a treatment that might save other lives as i hope it saves yours cause even with all you have going on in your life you still have a good soul and sense of humor.

I'm not getting treatment, just what they call "watchful waiting". The research is to determine whether treatment is warranted in a majority of cases.

the Dr. ****** one is priceless.

Maybe her family makes great exhaust headers?

almost as priceless is the 4 wheel machine you bought last week (vacuum). did you fly or drive and did you manage to see a few prospects for buying some more 4 wheeled vehicles on your trip?

You did ask about something with four wheels, so I had to answer honestly. We drive.

Driving is nine hours compared with a 1-1/2 hour flight, plus another 1-1/2 on each end to get to the airport and wait, and the prospect of weather delays. On top of that, you can't leave when you want, you have to wait on the plane you booked, and if you get done early you're stuck. And if you're held late, you're stuck. Do you know what "hospital time" is? I commuted by air to Houston every week for two years, but you can leave the job for a flight, and continue a meeting by phone at the airport.

So driving is nine hours, flying is 4-1/2 plus a couple of hour wait to catch the flight you booked, so flying should save a couple of hours. Unless you're late, unless there are thunderstorms which delay you or your plane. We left at 2:30 and got home at 11:30, about like an 8:00 flight. I like the freedom of driving.

Didn't see anything to buy

But we saw some beautiful county.

cheers and keep making muffins and feeding the cows.

ALL THE BEST!!

Thanks for the visits and care, guys!!

 

[oldironfarmer]

A quick update:

Early this morning I got some car parts moved from the attic to the new shelving. This is the heater system from a 1957 Chevrolet. A buddy had A/C put in his 57 and they tore out everything, including a good 12v generator, glove box, heater core, duct work, fan, and heater fan. Surely it has some value.

Got the kiln controls back together and tried firing the kiln. Heard a pop. The 50 amp SSR failed operating a 45 amp coil. OK, inrush to the cold coil got me, I'm sure. Fortunately I had a spare, so I installed it and disconnected the top third of the coil.

Loaded the side panels of the new furnace in the kiln

The dryout schedule for the refractory calls for 50F per hour to 250F, then 2 hr hold, then 50F per hour to 500F, then 50/hr to 1000, 2 hr hold, 50/hr to 1,500F and 2 hr hold. A total of 36 hours. I started it at 10:25 this morning so it should be done at 10:25 tomorrow night. I need to check on it every couple of hours, that's a lot of heat in the foundry room

Spent a bit of time putting tools on the new tool board, it's getting there.

Thanks for looking in!

 

[Vieux]

Andy I'm glad to hear the good news! And as always, great job.

 

[tym]

A quick update:

Early this morning I got some car parts moved from the attic to the new shelving. This is the heater system from a 1957 Chevrolet. A buddy had A/C put in his 57 and they tore out everything, including a good 12v generator, glove box, heater core, duct work, fan, and heater fan. Surely it has some value.

Wow. That's a lot of stuff to tear out for an A/C install. Definitely worth saving! Condition looks great, too.

 

[Terrick down Under]

Hey, all i can say is "karma means that they find something new every day." And that is what makes hope so good!

 

[1/2 Cup]

Andy, your tool board is looking great.

Mine has taken several iterations and I am still not happy with them..

Regards

 

[jbmatth]

Heater parts for a '57 you say, now I wonder who I know that has one of those.... I actually think I have all of the parts for my heater but will let you know if I need some. Also glad to hear the checkup went off without a hitch and not too big of a pain in the rear.
JB

 

[shortykorte]

All's well. That's good. Take Saturday off to relax.


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