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[MissileBear]

You mean this one, I'll sick my pet snakes on you. Jaws are 1-3/4 but this guy needs work, has a crack below the anvil.

I just about jumped out of my chair when I expanded that snake picture. Bleh. DO NOT LIKE.

...Looks like a late Friday job. If the vise was set up correctly and the center of the threads in the nut were picked up on center and the drill was carefully drilled through both sides and then reamed. (breaking through one side and hitting a rough cast on the opposite side will make the drill wander if not done slowly) Done right the pin holes would be in line. A real screwy design I agree...I would suggest reaming the holes to 9/32 and purchasing over size drill rod to replace if the holes are buggered up. Good luck.

I was able to carefully drive the pins out cleanly without damage to the castings- I've gotten pretty good drilling out/driving out rusted bolts and pins (living in Western NY most of my adult life). Anything near a road gets extremely oxidated from the salt laid down in winter. If I were keeping this vise for myself, I'd redrill & tap the holes for a set screw. I bet each hole is off by 15* in two directions. Looks like it was drilled from each side, and very quickly, rather than straight through.

The method you used to take the pins out is the hardest way to go about it.

This method usually takes about five minutes. Only one time has it failed me, and that was on a 600S that sat rusty for decades. I had to drill out those pins.

The end cap assemblies are sometimes very snug. If you bolt the vise to a bench, you should have no problem driving it out from the front with a long drift. If the vise isn't bolted down, it can be difficult.

Somebody tried explaining "you just stick an allen wrench down the nut and hit it with a hammer to drive out the pins". After watching that video, I completely understand what he was trying to explain....thanks for the vid!

I did bolt the base down after a few unsuccessful attempts - I was hitting the wood block with the 2 lb mini-tunk so hard it split the block and moved the table a few inches. The table is made of doug fir - the holes began to round out from the bolts holding it down. It's still soaking in the garage...I figure I'd give it a few days of "time out" and let it think about what it did.
It's *really* on there.

 

[Outlawmws]

Aw, its such a cute lil' guy!

Now THIS is a REAL Snake!

 

[va.grouseman]

Hi All
Has anyone seen a bullet type vise like this before? It looks funky and interesting specially since it has a hand wheel as opposed the standard arm. It also seems to have a pull up pin swivel mechanism (like the Prentiss that joe.striper recently posted)

The only markings on it are "PA APPL'D FOR" which might stand for "Patent Applied For"

007

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Gman, check out this AD.---I think it is a Hollands Bicycle Vice.---Zoomie Has one and I want it.


https://www.garagejournal.com/forum/attachment.php?attachmentid=313489&d=1391137295

http://www.garagejournal.com/forum/attachment.php?attachmentid=313487&stc=1&d=1391137067

You'll find the post on it on page 638.

 

[JZiggy]

Outlaw, I'm pretty sure Harry Potter has already killed that snake

 

[MissileBear]

Outlaw, I'm pretty sure Harry Potter has already killed that snake

One of the reasons I've stayed in NY is that there aren't a whole lot of snakes here.

That said, a few weeks back I almost stepped on a baby Massasagua rattlesnake....a very aggressive, very deadly snake, even at 5" long. I let it go on it's way, even though I think I ran about 30 feet before looking back.

About 2 years ago I was anvil hunting and grabbed a very rusted exposed screw vise out of the weeds near the side of a barn....surprise! Snakes hiding underneath! Needless to say, that vise is still probably rusting in the same place it was, and as far as I'm concerned, it can rust away into nothing. bleh.

 

[bigredmf]

Hopefully not a repost, very cool

https://rochester.craigslist.org/tls/d/reed-tilt-jaw-patternmakers/6231699142.html




Red


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[KMScott]

Aw, its **** a cute lil' guy!
Now THIS is a REAL Snake!

I tell my 9 Grand kids to leave these guys alone. The rock wall is right out side my shop and I have had them come through the rocks between my legs and crawl over me while talking vises with customers. There is at least a dozen of them and they are my pets. They come out at 8:30 and go home at 3;30. The last picture is one pulling his or her skin off. So many critters up here at 7800 ft. Back to vises.

Missile, you will find every vise has a story when you are restoring them, do not give up on Wiltons if you like them, some are easier then others. I prefer the R Islands, Reeds, Parkers and Hollands. These guys are a struggle some times. Keep up the good work.

 

[Outlawmws]

Outlaw, I'm pretty sure Harry Potter has already killed that snake

Actually it was Neville Longbottom...

 

[trijeff]

Thanks Shift. I have located a fixed base version that I'm getting soon. I know Rev Scott has the 2" swivel jaw version. I may have to break into his shop to get it though...

Gotta try for the entire collection of eight swivel jaws

 

[va.grouseman]

Snakes are neat and good to eat.---Outlaw, I could eat snake steaks off of that one for years.---Looks a little photo shopped but I want to believe it's true.---Snake taste like frog legs, and that is the piece -de-resistance, the Crème de la crème



Let me throw something in to make this post (vise) legal.

 

[vintage nut]

Gotta try for the entire collection of eight swivel jaws

Speaking of jaws.... You manage to make those ones I sent you fit the Wilton?

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[KMScott]

VA, those are some rare vises, nice. Jeff thanks for showing the sales page on the Baby Prentiss. I wonder what Lead and Silver means. Mine looks like a silver finish but could be the lead.

Dang Outlaw, missed that big snake pic. That gets me all excited, I like snakes.

Remember the trashed Prentiss 21 I picked for cheap, I almost finished the jaws tonight, I thought they was done but looking at the pictures it seems they are to tall, I will shorten up the bottoms so they look better. Anyway saved this one from the scrap heap. Might paint this one Oldies favorite color. New handle and spiffed up it should look good.

 

[zoomieport]

I have one.

Hi All
Has anyone seen a bullet type vise like this before? It looks funky and interesting specially since it has a hand wheel as opposed the standard arm. It also seems to have a pull up pin swivel mechanism (like the Prentiss that joe.striper recently posted)

The only markings on it are "PA APPL'D FOR" which might stand for "Patent Applied For"

007

 

[Smokeshow69]

VA, those are some rare vises, nice. Jeff thanks for showing the sales page on the Baby Prentiss. I wonder what Lead and Silver means. Mine looks like a silver finish but could be the lead.



Dang Outlaw, missed that big snake pic. That gets me all excited, I like snakes.



Remember the trashed Prentiss 21 I picked for cheap, I almost finished the jaws tonight, I thought they was done but looking at the pictures it seems they are to tall, I will shorten up the bottoms so they look better. Anyway saved this one from the scrap heap. Might paint this one Oldies favorite color. New handle and spiffed up it should look good.

Unbelievable craftsmanship on bringing this one back from the dead! Very nice work, I look forward to seeing the finished product.


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[trijeff]

Jeff thanks for showing the sales page on the Baby Prentiss. I wonder what Lead and Silver means. Mine looks like a silver finish but could be the lead.

Anyway saved this one from the scrap heap. Might paint this one Oldies favorite color. New handle and spiffed up it should look good.

Naw, you got the nickel coated (see asterisk) ... those other metals are just code words for ordering. In sum, they came in cast iron, painted or nickel plated, and that's it.

Nice save on that P21! Like always, jaws to die for

 

[eddieK]

Nice job on the resto ! Do you happen to have pictures of the columbian built craftsman crown top vise in the background? Or have you already posted pictures here ? [emoji1]


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[trijeff]

Speaking of jaws.... You manage to make those ones I sent you fit the Wilton?

Haven't managed to try them yet, but have managed to cut myself with my new Flato knife! Will let you know how the micarta jaws work out, looks like they will be sweet! Great for jewelry making. I'm on the lookout for Wilton 830 for you, believe they call it a toddler (vs. baby) ... already have a hydraulic pow-r-arm to mate it with. Once complete, it will be an incredible knife making tool. The bad news is I've never even seen a toddler up for sale locally (non ebay)

 

[eddieK]

I tell my 9 Grand kids to leave these guys alone. The rock wall is right out side my shop and I have had them come through the rocks between my legs and crawl over me while talking vises with customers. There is at least a dozen of them and they are my pets. They come out at 8:30 and go home at 3;30. The last picture is one pulling his or her skin off. So many critters up here at 7800 ft. Back to vises.

Missile, you will find every vise has a story when you are restoring them, do not give up on Wiltons if you like them, some are easier then others. I prefer the R Islands, Reeds, Parkers and Hollands. These guys are a struggle some times. Keep up the good work.

Kevin - I hate snakes.

Two diamond backs going at it in a dry creek bed just outside my yard.

 

[CRSINMICH]

Anybody have an idea what this might be?

Shift: 1925 Stewart Handy Worker ad

 

[gman007]

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Gman, check out this AD.---I think it is a Hollands Bicycle Vice.---Zoomie Has one and I want it.


https://www.garagejournal.com/forum/attachment.php?attachmentid=313489&d=1391137295

http://www.garagejournal.com/forum/attachment.php?attachmentid=313487&stc=1&d=1391137067

You'll find the post on it on page 638.

grouseman

Thanks for the info. I have send you a private message regarding this vise.
007

 

[Smokeshow69]

Sweet! Love those vises


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[gman007]

I tell my 9 Grand kids to leave these guys alone. The rock wall is right out side my shop and I have had them come through the rocks between my legs and crawl over me while talking vises with customers. There is at least a dozen of them and they are my pets. They come out at 8:30 and go home at 3;30. The last picture is one pulling his or her skin off. So many critters up here at 7800 ft. Back to vises.

Missile, you will find every vise has a story when you are restoring them, do not give up on Wiltons if you like them, some are easier then others. I prefer the R Islands, Reeds, Parkers and Hollands. These guys are a struggle some times. Keep up the good work.

Master Scott
Thank you for sharing the photos of the Wilton (but not the snakes )!

That is an amazing transformation! It is always truly pleasurable to see a Master Craftsman and Artsiest of the first class at work.
007

 

[gman007]

I have one.

Cool! This is for sure one interesting and novel vise.

 

[vintage nut]

Haven't managed to try them yet, but have managed to cut myself with my new Flato knife! Will let you know how the micarta jaws work out, looks like they will be sweet! Great for jewelry making. I'm on the lookout for Wilton 830 for you, believe they call it a toddler (vs. baby) ... already have a hydraulic pow-r-arm to mate it with. Once complete, it will be an incredible knife making tool. The bad news is I've never even seen a toddler up for sale locally (non ebay)

Glad you like it! And hopefully you didn't cut yourself too bad, I do make a sharp knife.

That would be very useful to have! Especially with some of the smaller more fiddly (folding knife) stuff I've been dealing with lately.

I didn't think the 3" was that uncommon of a vise? Or is that a rare 2.5" version and Wilton's numbering system is just completely illogical...
The only 3" vises I've got are a Morgan swivel base, and an American scale fixed base that weighs about as much as my 3.5" rock island swivel jaw... Either of those would look pretty damn goofy even if the powerarm was up to the weight

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[trijeff]

You're right, it's the 825 with 2.5" jaws. That's the toddler. The baby would probably be a little small is my guess.

 

[joe.striper]

grouseman

Thanks for the info. I have send you a private message regarding this vise.
007

Hey that bottom picture is my Lewis vise I bought last year. Damned thing was buried 2 ft down and covered in cement.

 

[FMC1959]

I have one.

Zoomie, so what is it; Hollands Bike vise like VA mentioned, Prentiss, or something else?

 

[vintage nut]

The 2.5" would definitely be a perfect size. Especially with a set of copper jaws

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[gman007]

Hey that bottom picture is my Lewis vise I bought last year. Damned thing was buried 2 ft down and covered in cement.

So that is what the second link in the grouseman's post is (i.e. the Lewis). I was wondering about this. The first link that he posted definitely is a drawing for what I now know is the "Holland Bicycle Vice" which is more bullet shape including a cylindrical draw bar and round dynamic jaws etc and has the wheel instead of a bar handle and pull up swivel mechanism. Whereas the second link is a picture of similar vise (ie your Lewis) with rectangular draw bar with bar handle and different swivel mechanism.

So did you have to use dynamite or jack hammer to dig out of cement ?

That is a nice vise with equally nice stand too. Do you know if that is an original OEM stand or is it custom? If it is custom, it sure fits like glove and looks like OEM.

 

[joe.striper]

So that is what the second link in the grouseman's post is (i.e. the Lewis). I was wondering about this. The first link that he posted definitely is a drawing for what I now know is the "Holland Bicycle Vice" which is more bullet shape including a cylindrical draw bar and round dynamic jaws etc and has the wheel instead of a bar handle and pull up swivel mechanism. Whereas the second link is a picture of similar vise (ie your Lewis) with rectangular draw bar with bar handle and different swivel mechanism.

So did you have to use dynamite or jack hammer to dig out of cement ?

That is a nice vise with equally nice stand too. Do you know if that is an original OEM stand or is it custom? If it is custom, it sure fits like glove and looks like OEM.

No doubt in my mind tge stand is OEM. 4 hours jack hammer, picks, shovels and I paid $200 for the pleasure

 

[G-ManBart]

What would happen if a Wilton and a Parker had a baby....something like this!

 

[Pritchard]

Can anyone give me some info on snediker leg vise?

 

[Joefriday]

One of the reasons I've stayed in NY is that there aren't a whole lot of snakes here.

That said, a few weeks back I almost stepped on a baby Massasagua rattlesnake....a very aggressive, very deadly snake, even at 5" long. I let it go on it's way, even though I think I ran about 30 feet before looking back.

About 2 years ago I was anvil hunting and grabbed a very rusted exposed screw vise out of the weeds near the side of a barn....surprise! Snakes hiding underneath! Needless to say, that vise is still probably rusting in the same place it was, and as far as I'm concerned, it can rust away into nothing. bleh.

I HATE snakes..they are too sneaky.

I'm from mid-state NY myself, about 40 miles west of Albany and we didn't have many to worry about in our area. Mostly garter and milk snakes.

Now, in Virginia, we have some nasty ones. I have never seen a poisonous snake on my property but I have seen several dead Canebrake rattlesnakes on the roads near my home lately.

As a matter of fact, the city I live in actually "stocked" rattlesnakes in various areas of the city (not a typical city as most think - lots of woods and farm land), some of those areas not far from my house. Apparently the rattlesnake population was fading so some nut thought they should be re-populated.

I don't walk anywhere I can't see a good distance around where my feet are going.

Anyway.. sorry to get off topic.

Best,
Rob

 

[va.grouseman]

Joefriday, it's ok to get off topic, you just have to post a pic of a vise to be (VISE) legal.

Anyway, with snakes as with Asian Carp and Snakeheads, you just have to eat your way out of the problem.


Keeping it legal.

 

[G-ManBart]

Keeping it legal.

That Hartmann is cool!

 

[gman007]

What would happen if a Wilton and a Parker had a baby....something like this!

Is that something the Magnet has already attracted or about to attract ?

Definitely interesting choice of jaws for a Wilton! With the surface rust and dirt it is a bit hard to tell but whoever fit the jaws seems to have done a reasonable job which given the V shape of CP jaw inserts is not a trivial effort. So they might have had some skill but then again why not just fit any more common straight rectangular jaws similar to original ones which would have been a lot easier. Also there would be no need to possibly reshape the jaws- it is hard to tell if they did reshape the jaws or not. I guess may be that is all they had on hand.

Here is what might qualify as the cousin of this hybrid Wilton/Parker, a Parker with Wilton type cylindrical draw bar and guide key (well technically it is semi cylindrical draw bar and the guide key is on top instead of bottom)

 

[G-ManBart]

Is that something the Magnet has already attracted or about to attract ?

Definitely interesting choice of jaws for a Wilton! With the surface rust and dirt it is a bit hard to tell but whoever fit the jaws seems to have done a reasonable job which given the V shape of CP jaw inserts is not a trivial effort. So they might have had some skill but then again why not just fit any more common straight rectangular jaws similar to original ones which would have been a lot easier. Also there would be no need to possibly reshape the jaws- it is hard to tell if they did reshape the jaws or not. I guess may be that is all they had on hand.

Here is what might qualify as the cousin of this hybrid Wilton/Parker, a Parker with Wilton type cylindrical draw bar and guide key (well technically it is semi cylindrical draw bar and the guide key is on top instead of bottom)

The magnet already reeled that one in. I got it from a local auction because I have another basket case vise I can combine parts with to make one good vise (or so I hope). The early style swivel bases are getting hard to find, so I buy every one I can find...so far they've all gone to good homes.

 

[joe.striper]

Joefriday, it's ok to get off topic, you just have to post a pic of a vise to be (VISE) legal.

Anyway, with snakes as with Asian Carp and Snakeheads, you just have to eat your way out of the problem.


Keeping it legal.

Hey, is that my Gripon I found up here and which you wrangled from me?

 

[joe.striper]

Is that something the Magnet has already attracted or about to attract ?

Definitely interesting choice of jaws for a Wilton! With the surface rust and dirt it is a bit hard to tell but whoever fit the jaws seems to have done a reasonable job which given the V shape of CP jaw inserts is not a trivial effort. So they might have had some skill but then again why not just fit any more common straight rectangular jaws similar to original ones which would have been a lot easier. Also there would be no need to possibly reshape the jaws- it is hard to tell if they did reshape the jaws or not. I guess may be that is all they had on hand.

Here is what might qualify as the cousin of this hybrid Wilton/Parker, a Parker with Wilton type cylindrical draw bar and guide key (well technically it is semi cylindrical draw bar and the guide key is on top instead of bottom)

I have seen that style of vise made by every manufacturer in the northeast. i can show you Athols that are nearly identical. It is interesting that so many makers used the same design. I always pass on them though, just no market for them up here....

 

[va.grouseman]

Hey, is that my Gripon I found up here and which you wrangled from me?

Yep, that's it Joe.