The VISES of Garage Journal

[KMScott]

Jeff is that a nice one, will not last long. I am working on a 544B Rock Island combination vise (Missing Pipe Jaw as usual) with the same 577 6" jaws and wanted to remove the swivel base until I seen how bad they designed the shoulder bolt and shoulder bolt swivel hole. How can anyone get a 1-3/8 open on this one. It is rusted in place which made matters worse. 5 minutes on the weld table and it is out. Just have to clean up the welds, add a nut some how and remachine the pocket so a socket can be used. Welding the nut heated the nut and broke the rust seal, some times you can get in trouble and Gaul the threads but I got lucky.

I have to re engineer the pipe jaws on this big vise and if anyone or even open for suggestions on how small of a pipe should be used as a guide line for the teeth design then I am all ears. The three pipe jaws are 3/4 wide, 4 inches tall and the pocket depths are 1-5/8 deep and 1" behind the jaws. Thanks in advance.

 

[Bcom]

Jeff is that a nice one, will not last long. I am working on a 544B Rock Island combination vise (Missing Pipe Jaw as usual) with the same 577 6" jaws and wanted to remove the swivel base until I seen how bad they designed the shoulder bolt and shoulder bolt swivel hole. How can anyone get a 1-3/8 open on this one. It is rusted in place which made matters worse. 5 minutes on the weld table and it is out. Just have to clean up the welds, add a nut some how and remachine the pocket so a socket can be used. Welding the nut heated the nut and broke the rust seal, some times you can get in trouble and Gaul the threads but I got lucky.

I have to re engineer the pipe jaws on this big vise and if anyone or even open for suggestions on how small of a pipe should be used as a guide line for the teeth design then I am all ears. The three pipe jaws are 3/4 wide, 4 inches tall and the pocket depths are 1-5/8 deep and 1" behind the jaws. Thanks in advance.

Hey Kevin, I got a Yost 80C sitting here if you need any pipe jaw dimensions from it.

 

[KMScott]

Hey Kevin, I got a Yost 80C sitting here if you need any pipe jaw dimensions from it.

I am looking for the smallest pipe a 6" vise grabs. Is yours a big one? Not up on Yost vises unless it is a old one. Pictures are great, you can tell a lot from pic's. I hate searching for pic's on the web. The Yost #6 pic I added might have had pipe jaws and maybe it is like yours.

 

[Bcom]

I am looking for the smallest pipe a 6" vise grabs. Is yours a big one? Not up on Yost vises unless it is a old one. Pictures are great, you can tell a lot from pic's. I hate searching for pic's on the web. The Yost #6 pic I added might have had pipe jaws and maybe it is like yours.

Yes it's a big 8" with the pipe jaws. I can get a better pic if you want. This is what I have on hand at the moment.

 

[Bcom]

Here's another pic if it helps. Thats a 4" wilton in front.

 

[ricleh]

I am looking for the smallest pipe a 6" vise grabs. Is yours a big one? Not up on Yost vises unless it is a old one. Pictures are great, you can tell a lot from pic's. I hate searching for pic's on the web. The Yost #6 pic I added might have had pipe jaws and maybe it is like yours.

My Wilton C3 has a pipe jaw capacity of 1/4" to 6".

 

[KMScott]

Bcoms vise has the Starrett type pipe jaws and looks like the Pipe jaws sit back from the jaw face. I think I will go with that design. ricleh, the Wilton C3 Pipe jaws are close to the same but are a little shorter by 11/16. Thanks guys, looks like I can scale down the 326 (5 inch tall) Starrett Pipe jaws..

 

[va.grouseman]

Previously posted by Chasbec.

I'm not in the market for this at the moment but thought this was very interesting. Thought I'd share it here.
https://hudsonvalley.craigslist.org/tls/d/old-anvil-vise/6270392950.html
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Chasbec, that is right odd.---The Anvil is the dynamic on that one.---Looks like it has a slide in pipe jaw missing.

 

[Evergreentree]

Hey guys, it's been along time since I've Visited the gj. Wanted to share my chainsaw sharpening set up. Parker 975, Dazor light, Philadelphia tram rail pulleys, on top of white oak, pub table base with extras

 

[Evergreentree]

Also recently scored this veit & young. Nice quality. Mix of an fpu and Wilton. Local piece for me!

 

[va.grouseman]

Good to hear from you Evergreen.---That Veit & Young is right rare. Don't see many of those pop up on radar.---Nice score.

 

[Evergreentree]

Thanks va. Was out for a while, bought our first house which came with half a dozen pole vises, and another half a dozen beat to snot machinists. To bad, mostly prentiss. Also scored this sweet condition no 6 of late. Good quality vise. Is there an age estimate on the peramo's. Ww2 timeframe only or thereafter? I'm sure this has been discussed many times.

 

[volunteers]

thank you guys for the help. I finally moved the new wilton 600s on my bench by myself. I found the body of the vise has coarse finish. Is it normal?
when I turn to close the dynamic jaw, the last one inch is kind of stiff. any reason for that?

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[Outlawmws]

Previously posted by Chasbec.

I'm not in the market for this at the moment but thought this was very interesting. Thought I'd share it here.
https://hudsonvalley.craigslist.org/...270392950.html
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Chasbec, that is right odd.---The Anvil is the dynamic on that one.---Looks like it has a slide in pipe jaw missing.

CL Add is missing...

 

[damnesia]

I'm trying to disassemble the Reed 31 I bought a few weeks ago, I'm actually going to strip it and paint it ( the first vise I've done this with, most I clean up enough to work and just use them ). However I can't stand the blue paint on it so i'm going to bite the bullet. I have the screw out of the nut but I can't get the dynamic jaw off. I don't see what's holding it on, unless it's just so filthy I can't see it. I figured before I screw something up I'd ask here. Any advice on how to remove the dynamic jaw?

I'm looking forward to repainting it. I've recently stripped, rebuild and painted a Seattle Chain Co. screw geared chain block and it looks awesome ( until the first time I really use it ) and I'm excited to get the vise looking good to.

One more thing, I assume the original color of a Reed 31 is probably black?

Thanks.

 

[jonhdw]

I'm trying to disassemble the Reed 31 I bought a few weeks ago, I'm actually going to strip it and paint it ( the first vise I've done this with, most I clean up enough to work and just use them ). However I can't stand the blue paint on it so i'm going to bite the bullet. I have the screw out of the nut but I can't get the dynamic jaw off. I don't see what's holding it on, unless it's just so filthy I can't see it. I figured before I screw something up I'd ask here. Any advice on how to remove the dynamic jaw?

I'm looking forward to repainting it. I've recently stripped, rebuild and painted a Seattle Chain Co. screw geared chain block and it looks awesome ( until the first time I really use it ) and I'm excited to get the vise looking good to.

One more thing, I assume the original color of a Reed 31 is probably black?

Thanks.

Check the slide to make sure it's not mushroomed over from being used as an anvil. Almost every time I've had a dynamic jaw stuck it was because of that.

 

[va.grouseman]

Fixed it Outlaw.

 

[damnesia]

Check the slide to make sure it's not mushroomed over from being used as an anvil. Almost every time I've had a dynamic jaw stuck it was because of that.

Turns out it just had a bunch of filth at the end of the dynamic jaw "slide". It's apart now. One more questions, and not a super important one. How do I remove the handle from the lead screw? The handle is bent to all hell and I'm going to have to remove it at some point but I'd like to try it before the electrolysis bath. The round knobs on the end have a little play, but don't seem to be threaded on.

 

[va.grouseman]

Previously posted by Volunteers.

I found the body of the vise has coarse finish. Is it normal?
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My 800 is like that , all except where they had to grind some seam ridges down.---I think that's from the sand molds.---I kind of like that rough texture look.---There is a rough casting look that has nothing to do with sand, it's just bubbles and bad casting.---I have a 208 Yost that looks like the surface of the moon.

 

[G-ManBart]

thank you guys for the help. I finally moved the new wilton 600s on my bench by myself. I found the body of the vise has coarse finish. Is it normal?
when I turn to close the dynamic jaw, the last one inch is kind of stiff. any reason for that?

It's common to see some pretty obvious grinder/belt sander marks on the body of vises. They aren't trying to make them smooth and polished because it's not necessary for function.

The slide will sometimes get gummy with the factory preservative, so clean that off, put a light coat of oil/grease on it, and put fresh grease on the screw. There's a good chance it'll feel fine after that.

 

[G-ManBart]

Turns out it just had a bunch of filth at the end of the dynamic jaw "slide". It's apart now. One more questions, and not a super important one. How do I remove the handle from the lead screw? The handle is bent to all hell and I'm going to have to remove it at some point but I'd like to try it before the electrolysis bath. The round knobs on the end have a little play, but don't seem to be threaded on.

They are peened on. You have to cut/grind some off the end to get the ball ends off. You may want to look at the Vise Repair 101 thread where all of this is covered.

 

[damnesia]

They are peened on. You have to cut/grind some off the end to get the ball ends off. You may want to look at the Vise Repair 101 thread where all of this is covered.

Thanks. I was searching through this thread but I'll check out the Vise Repair 101 thread.

 

[sandman54]

My latest acquisition a baby Reed! It will also be here thursday.. have a nice day Sandman

 

[va.grouseman]

That's one of those watch maker's/salesman sample, ain't it Sandman.---That will work good for fly tying and setch.


Man that thing looks clean and crisp for a big chipper.---Jaws good and square.---Nice score.

 

[twertsy]

Previously posted by Chasbec.

I'm not in the market for this at the moment but thought this was very interesting. Thought I'd share it here.
https://hudsonvalley.craigslist.org/tls/d/old-anvil-vise/6270392950.html
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Chasbec, that is right odd.---The Anvil is the dynamic on that one.---Looks like it has a slide in pipe jaw missing.

That was a tough one to find! Listed under "Combination Tool" Here's the patent

 

[Bcom]

Bcoms vise has the Starrett type pipe jaws and looks like the Pipe jaws sit back from the jaw face. I think I will go with that design. ricleh, the Wilton C3 Pipe jaws are close to the same but are a little shorter by 11/16. Thanks guys, looks like I can scale down the 326 (5 inch tall) Starrett Pipe jaws..

Hey Kevin, if you need to see the jaws in person, i can take them out of the vise and send them to you if you need. I also have multiple Columbian 204 1/2 pipe jaws here too if you'd like to see them as well.

 

[Outlawmws]

Fixed it Outlaw.

Thanks VA!

Pic for posterity:

 

[jonhdw]

Turns out it just had a bunch of filth at the end of the dynamic jaw "slide". It's apart now. One more questions, and not a super important one. How do I remove the handle from the lead screw? The handle is bent to all hell and I'm going to have to remove it at some point but I'd like to try it before the electrolysis bath. The round knobs on the end have a little play, but don't seem to be threaded on.

Are you planning on keeping the handle and straightening it? It might be easier to just cut the old handle off and make a new one.

 

[KMScott]

My latest acquisition a baby Reed! It will also be here thursday.. have a nice day Sandman

Another big guy for your collection. Nice find sandman

Hey Kevin, if you need to see the jaws in person, i can take them out of the vise and send them to you if you need. I also have multiple Columbian 204 1/2 pipe jaws here too if you'd like to see them as well.

Thanks but no thanks. I have a master drawing that I will use, I just scale it till it fits. Send the columbian stuff to damnesia. There is a possibility he might take the bull by the horns and make Columbian jaws.

 

[Bcom]

Another big guy for your collection. Nice find sandman



Thanks but no thanks. I have a master drawing that I will use, I just scale it till it fits. Send the columbian stuff to damnesia. There is a possibility he might take the bull by the horns and make Columbian jaws.

LOL! Aww come on. The Columbian stuff ain't so bad.

 

[dutchgray]

Thanks va. Was out for a while, bought our first house which came with half a dozen pole vises, and another half a dozen beat to snot machinists. To bad, mostly prentiss. Also scored this sweet condition no 6 of late. Good quality vise. Is there an age estimate on the peramo's. Ww2 timeframe only or thereafter? I'm sure this has been discussed many times.

Im pretty sure Paramo was still making vices in the 80's, although they did modernise the design at some point, they started because of WW2 but I don't think we would have exported any for sale during the waw.

 

[AngryBeaver]

thank you guys for the help. I finally moved the new wilton 600s on my bench by myself. I found the body of the vise has coarse finish. Is it normal?
when I turn to close the dynamic jaw, the last one inch is kind of stiff. any reason for that?
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Clean it out/take off the old grease first. Make sure there isn't an rust or corrosion. If that doesn't do it.....

Take the Tail cap off and see if the screw is contacting the inside tube of the nut the last inch or so when the jaw is closed.

I had a brand new 450 do this. I ended up flipping the nut and redrilling the holes for the pins. It wouldn't close that last 1/2" without extreme force. The nut was drilled just enough off center that it only became an issue when fully closed.

 

[va.grouseman]

Previously posted by Twertst.

That was a tough one to find! Listed under "Combination Tool" Here's the patent.----https://www.google.com/patents/US574764
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That is some fine digging Twertsy.---You got a real talent there for digging, and a good asset to this thread.

So Would you call that anvil vise a Salzman sample?

I sure like to have it, but I would have to do like the government and raise my debt limit.

 

[meatsis]

Previously posted by Twertst.

That was a tough one to find! Listed under "Combination Tool" Here's the patent.----https://www.google.com/patents/US574764
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That is some fine digging Twertsy.---You got a real talent there for digging, and a good asset to this thread.

So Would you call that anvil vise a Salzman sample?

I sure like to have it, but I would have to do like the government and raise my debt limit.

VA Good luck dealing with that guy. He finally updated his ad. It used to say "don't ask me how big it is or how much it weighs".

He also claims that it was appraised at $2500.

He bought it off Craigslist from somebody who had it listed for $200. Once he bought it, he put it right back on CL for $800. With the SAME picture from the original sellers ad!

Now he claims it's been in his family for several generations. I understand buying stuff and trying to flip it for more money. But this guy is just an A-hole!

 

[va.grouseman]

Thanks Meatsis, I don't like dealing with that caliber of people even if they have something I really want and can afford.---We have a couple of fellows local like that, that I don't trade with, period.---They would cheat their mother.

 

[chrisnazzy]

My latest acquisition a baby Reed! It will also be here thursday.. have a nice day Sandman

Nice Sandman. That thing is huge. Don't you have a 109 also?

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[chrisnazzy]

Oh yeah......which one of you fellas grabbed this nice looking Reed 105 off Ebay today?

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[Bcom]

Just picked up this old rebuilt Reed 3C today. It was rebuilt 50 years ago with new Reed parts and left on a shelf afterwards with no use. The new Reed parts consists of a whole new spindle, new pipe jaws,new pipe jaw pins, new nut, new 2 piece nut, and it appears the base bolt is new as well. This vise is in excellent shape. It came out of a Proctor&Gamble factory. I got this from the original Proctor&Gamble maintenence man that rebuilt it in the factory. Says after he rebuilt it, it got put on a shelf with a bunch of other vises and it sat for 50 years unused. P&G decided they were throwing out all the old stuff with the vises and the guy was able to save the only one he rebuilt. He even gave me an old yellowed Reed parts paper they used to order parts from. This is the nicest Reed C series I've come across yet.

 

[Evergreentree]

Thanks Dutch gray. Any way to age a peramo? Lock down holes that connect vise to swivel base are holes, not cut out which I've seen on newer records

 

[KMScott]

Nice vise Bcom. You are a lucky man. Is the jaws a little damaged, it's the only thing I see wrong with it.