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I figured out how to take close-ups with my camera, so here are some better photos of the odd Barcalo DBE:

Notice that there are no special markings, just the ordinary Barcalo DBE markings. Also notice the stylized "L" forged into the beam near the 7/8" end as shown in the last photo.
I closely examining your photos. The odd shape difference in the shaft, the crooked box mounting and and the rust on the joint leads me to believe this is a highly-skilled user modified wrench. I would suspect that it was for an application that the user encountered on occasion, which is why it was crafted to be more of a permanent tool and not just some one-time jury rig. If you consider the mfg steps each wrench passed through forging, grinding and broaching, how these wrenches might be stacked tightly in bins going from one processing station to another, and then packed for retail/shipping, plus good ol' USA quality control of the time, it's almost unthinkable that their mfg processes could even produce such a mutant, let alone quality control having passed by what must surely have blatantly looked like a giraffe in a bicycle shop.
 
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Outlaw's Wright wrench was made on contract for Wright Aeronautical as a factory-supplied tool for working on Wright aircraft engines. The 8------- number was assigned by Wright Aeronautical, not the government. Wright aircraft engines were used on many operational WWII aircraft, AAF, Marines, and Navy the most famous being the B-17, B-25, B-29, SBD and TBM.

I wonder why Wright Aeronautical didn't contract with Wright Tools for their wrenches?
 

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Outlaw's Wright wrench was made on contract for Wright Aeronautical as a factory-supplied tool for working on Wright aircraft engines. The 8------- number was assigned by Wright Aeronautical, not the government. Wright aircraft engines were used on many operational WWII aircraft, AAF, Marines, and Navy the most famous being the B-17, B-25, B-29, SBD and TBM.

I wonder why Wright Aeronautical didn't contract with Wright Tools for their wrenches?
Sounds logical, and would certainly jive with my Dad having access to these wrenches.

As for why they didn't buy them from their namesakes, maybe they were not just wright.
 

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DadsTools, thank you for your well-thought-out comments. Having the wrench here to examine closely, I find that the plating in the "rust in the joint" area extends across that area on both sides, one face, and three-quarters of the other face. It cannot have been heated and bent. It cannot have been bent after plating, or the plating would be failing in that area. For it to be field modified, the workman would have had to anneal the area, make the bends, re-heat-treat the wrench, and have it replated.

I did more clean-up on the wrench, and can see a faint number on the side opposite the factory markings. It appears to be a rather long number ending in 102. I can't clean up the area more without damaging the mark.
 

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Some time back Lugz, Username, Twertsy and I had a discussion about a similar wrench that I owned and it was determined that it was likely a Bonney wrench made under contract for Wright (Aircraft). Bonney also made contract wrenches for Pratt and Whitney Aircraft.
FYSA, we're way past likely, Don. The Bonney-Wright wrenches have been definitively identified as made by Bonney for Wright Aeronautical during WWII and beyond.

Now you mention it, I remember that post series. I'd forgotten about that. Thanks for the reminder Don!
If you want to re-visit, Outlaw, Post #220, page 11, on the Show Off Your DOE’s thread.

I now have a small collection of them. Been picking them up in onesy-twosies. I am not necessarily trying to re-assemble any one particular kit, I just pick them up as I see them.

Here’s a good example - a 33-tooth spline wrench, forged-in Bonney name and part number 7356, with a forged-in FU (1943) date code. My hunch is they just ran it through another machine with a stamping die for the part number (80076)...

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...and the WRIGHT (Aeronautical) name on the flip side.

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I verify them as I find them in one of two sources.

The first is this 1947 US Navy ASO Catalog Class 85:

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The second is the Avialogs website. Although you have to be a paying member to download, they have overhaul and repair manuals for many Wright engines online for viewing. And every handbook has a list of 8xxxx and 9xxxx series tools, in alphabetical order by name (unfortunately!) versus part number. That can be a PITA, but still better than nothing.

Go to ‘Engines’ on the Avialogs homepage menu up top. Select 'USA'. Then 'Wright'. Here’s a link to a 1955 Curtis-Wright R-3350 Duplex Cyclone overhaul handbook, for example. It’s post-war, but I have found that a lot of the part numbers were the same. A long list and description of tools starts on document page 50 (browser page 66), and a list of Mfgr’s recommended tools starts on page 115 (browser page 133).

Note that you can also look up Pratt & Whitney engine maintenance manuals, and the associated tools, which Bonney also supplied. I have some of those, too.

Outlaw's Wright wrench was made on contract for Wright Aeronautical as a factory-supplied tool for working on Wright aircraft engines. The 8------- number was assigned by Wright Aeronautical, not the government.
DadsTools said:
Sounds logical
Well-substantiated. Note that there are 9xxxx series tools as well.

Provincial said:
I wonder why Wright Aeronautical didn't contract with Wright Tools for their wrenches?
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As for why they didn't buy them from their namesakes, maybe they were not just wright.
But that's just WRONG! :lol_hitti
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All joking about the coincidental family names (Wright Tool & Forge was no relation as far as I know to the aviation brothers), it is a good question!

In terms of proximity, Wright Tool & Forge, in Barberton, Ohio, outside of Cleveland, may have made more sense than Bonney Tool & Forge in Allentown, PA. But, note that Wright’s corporate and contracts office headquarters – and Curtis-Wright’s corporate and contracts office headquarters after the Wright merger with Curtiss in 1929, was in Caldwell, NJ. Note also that there was a huge engine and propeller production facility in Beaver, PA. Note again that Bonney also supplied tools to Pratt & Whitney Aviation, also located a few states away. If I had to guess, I’d say it was a volumetric decision. Wright, much smaller than Bonney, had a smaller output capacity. Wright Tool & Forge did supply tools directly under contract to the USAAF (Air Corps) in 1943 and 1944.
 
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...my odd Barcalo Buffalo DBE wrench that I purchased last weekend. As you can see from the photos, one end is at a different angle.
Not saying it is, but it looks a lot like one of the special DBE wrenches vintage Mfgrs made for main bearings or brake anchor pins or shocks. They were essentially versions of their standard double box ends with odd angles on one or both ends. Not sure of the typical opening sizes, though. You'd have to consult some catalogs. I know I've seen them from Bonney and Duro-Chrome, to name a couple examples. I don't see any in the 1943 Barcalo catalog, but it's a very hasty sparse wartime version. Then again, your wrench looks to be post-war, so that might not help anyway. I don't know of a 1950's Barcalo catalog.
 

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Swap meet finds yesterday.

P&C N-89 1 1/2" x 1 7/16" DBE. Looks unused! $10

And it was put up or shut up with this set.

NOS S-K No. 311R 11 piece DBE in the original roll. Absolutely brand spanking new. $60

The seller had a truckload of NOS S-K tools for sale. I bought this and some "Super-Krome" metric combo wrenches from him.

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I cleaned up and photographed the remaining DBE wrenches I acquired yesterday at the swap meet - at least one of which I suspect will grab the attention of our Snap-on collectors. Most were $.50 - $1.00 ea. I paid $5 for the pair of Blue Point DBE wrenches.

From the top, down:

- P&C N-89 1 1/2" x 1 7/16" DBE
- Proto Los Angeles 8184 7/8" x 13/16" long DBE
- Craftsman "Long-C" 7/8" x 13/16" 0° off-set DBE
- Unknown #182 "Alloy Steel" 3/4" x 5/8" DBE
- Metcoid 3/4" x 5/8" DBE
- Yellow Jacket #60613 1/4" x 3/8" square drive DBE
- Klein #68310 1/4" x 3/8" square drive DBE
- Vchek WBH1416 7/16" x 1/2" DBE
- P&C #2514 3/8" x 7/16" DBE
- P&C #2222E 11/16" x 3/4" DBE
- Blue Point XD "BoxockeT" #1820 9/16" x 5/8" DBE
- Blue Point XS "BoxockeT" #2024 5/8" x 3/4" deep off-set shorty DBE
- Bonney "BON-E-CON" #ZBS2024 5/8" x 3/4" shorty DBE
- Fairmount 5/8" x 3/4" deep off-set shorty DBE
- Herbrand No. 73 1/4" x 9/32" DBE
- S-K Wayne 5/8" x 11/16" shorty DBE
- Unknown "41-W-2068" 'S' shaped DBE

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Oooh, look at all that DBE eye candy! I expect the Yellow Jacket ratchet is an air conditioning tool, as is the Klein. Metcoids are rare, and I've no immediate clue on the S-shaped unknown.

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Garrington 'The Kestrel' DBE sizes 3/16"W x 1/4"W.

I got this for free! :bounce:

Garringtons was a British Co. that specialized in forging and induction heating. As well as manufacturing precision turbine blades and railway couplings, they also manufactured handtools. Their various wrench series were given names of birds instead of numbers, e.g. The Kestrel, The Magpie, The Merlin, The Jay, The Blackbird, The Heron. Also had series called Blue Diamond, Red Diamond. Special wrenches were named The Heron, The Wryneck, The Wren. Adjustable wrenches were named The Jackdaw or The Puffin. They also produced 'The Pelican' Box-Socket sets.

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That'a all fascinating history, and thanks for posting it. I will now have to look out for all those bird name tools.. makes a change from Snap On 'the ferret' !
 

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I'm just 'bumping' this post up again... Has anyone ever seen the 'pennant' type end on the raised panel on any other Barcalo wrenches? I've been looking out for it ever since Bluebomber remarked on it..

Enjoying this thread. I have a few old 'ring spanners' as we call them here. Here's a few pics of one of my favourites. It says BARCALO BUFFALO U. S. A. on one side and 11/16 WHITWORTH-VANADIUM 3/4 on the other side. The end which is 11/16" Whitworth is close enough to 30mm across the flats that I can use it to remove the top ball joint on a Land Rover Salisbury rear axle, and the offset shape enables doing the job without removing or mangling the brake pipe. This cherished old piece of history earns it's keep!
Does anyone know what age it is? To one end of the raised panel it has what looks like a number 5 in the casting, it's the opposite way up to the writing on the panel.
 

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Rileysan said:
- Unknown "41-W-2068" 'S' shaped DBE
Very nice find, Brian! That is a Federal Stock Number. It is not listed in the March 1944 Navy Aviation Supply Office Class 41 (all Hand Tools) Catalog, the March 1945 Army Ordnance Supply Catalog SNL J-4 (all wrenches), or the April and July 1945 SNL G-27 (upper echelon toolsets). Note that no S-shaped DBE wrenches at all are listed, of any sizes. No examples shown in April 1945 TM 9-867 (Care and Maintenance of Hand Tools), either. I strongly suspect pre-war or early war. I already have a query out to a friend with a 1938 reference for the extension that r_olson found; I will add this one to the query.

EDIT: please measure and report the milled opening sizes.
 
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Couple of finds this week.

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Top to bottom: Armstrong, Williams, Vlchek, Bluepoint, Ground off(looks like a blue point, and the date code is still there), Select Steel.

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Very nice find, Brian! That is a Federal Stock Number. It is not listed in the March 1944 Navy Aviation Supply Office Class 41 (all Hand Tools) Catalog, the March 1945 Army Ordnance Supply Catalog SNL J-4 (all wrenches), or the April and July 1945 SNL G-27 (upper echelon toolsets). Note that no S-shaped DBE wrenches at all are listed, of any sizes. No examples shown in April 1945 TM 9-867 (Care and Maintenance of Hand Tools), either. I strongly suspect pre-war or early war. I already have a query out to a friend with a 1938 reference for the extension that r_olson found; I will add this one to the query.

EDIT: please measure and report the milled opening sizes.

Thanks!

I took some measurements to go along with some my strange finding. What's strange (besides the fact no sizes are stamped on it) is that both ends are 1/2" openings. It wouldn't be strange if the angle of the shank or off-sets were different at each end, but they are not. The off-set angles are identical and the shank angle is also the same on both ends.

I took pictures at every angle as well as the measurements.

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Very nice find, Brian! That is a Federal Stock Number. It is not listed in the March 1944 Navy Aviation Supply Office Class 41 (all Hand Tools) Catalog, the March 1945 Army Ordnance Supply Catalog SNL J-4 (all wrenches), or the April and July 1945 SNL G-27 (upper echelon toolsets). Note that no S-shaped DBE wrenches at all are listed, of any sizes. No examples shown in April 1945 TM 9-867 (Care and Maintenance of Hand Tools), either. I strongly suspect pre-war or early war. I already have a query out to a friend with a 1938 reference for the extension that r_olson found; I will add this one to the query.

EDIT: please measure and report the milled opening sizes.
Thanks!

I took some measurements to go along with some my strange finding. What's strange (besides the fact no sizes are stamped on it) is that both ends are 1/2" openings. It wouldn't be strange if the angle of the shank or off-sets were different at each end, but they are not. The off-set angles are identical and the shank angle is also the same on both ends.

I took pictures at every angle as well as the measurements.

Brian

I also have and am curious about this wrench.
 
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Brian, when you say the angle of the offsets and the shank angles are the same, does that mean when you put a 1/2" hex in a vise and put each end of the wrench on it, that the wrench sits at the same angle?

Just like the Government to buy a wrench like that!
 

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Brian, when you say the angle of the offsets and the shank angles are the same, does that mean when you put a 1/2" hex in a vise and put each end of the wrench on it, that the wrench sits at the same angle?

Just like the Government to buy a wrench like that!

Exactly! It didn't make any sense!

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Estate sale finds this morning! Each wrench came to less than $1/ea. Mostly Blue Point but there was a single Craftsman 8-pt DBE for Ford (Model A?) brakes. The distributor wrenches are Mac, the obstruction wrench Proto, and the rusty wrench on top is a Duro. It was a damn good day!


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Estate sale finds this morning! Each wrench came to less than $1/ea. Mostly Blue Point but there was a single Craftsman 8-pt DBE for Ford (Model A?) brakes. It was a damn good day!


Brian
Any "manufacturers code" on the Cman wrench?

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Yowzaa!!! Lovin' those obstruction DBEs, Brian!

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Provincial was kind enough to identify them for me after I posted the make/model. I thought they were distributor wrenches but was wrong.

- MAC #2882 2, 1/2"
- MAC #2882 4, 3/4

Brian, 2882 is the common part number for cylinder base nut wrenches. Those are the two extremes of the sizes. 9/16" and 5/8" very common, too. Used on Continental and Lycoming general aviation engines.

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A few days ago I started a new thread for these as I couldn't find one after searching. Fortunately, someone directed me to the correct place, and a kind mod deleted the old thread. Don't want to clutter things up.

Anyway, here are some that I found recently.

#1 and #2 a big Lectrolite TruFit 3105. L marking 13/16 7/8.

#3, #4, #5 A big E stamped Barcalo 1 1/4 and 1 3/8.

#6 & #7 A Lectrolite TruFit 3005. 13/16 7/8 Found this one funny. Not sure if all were stamped like this where it reads made in TruFit with the USA after the model #.

#8 & #9 Williams Superwrench 8731.B 13/16 7/8

#10 & #11 A Bonney 2810 1in 15/16in stamped with a BV at one end.

#12 & #13 A new brand to me. M. Alpert 11/16 5/8 stamped with an O marking on one end.

#13 & #14 Bonney 2808 marked CV on one end 7/8 3/4

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I believe these came from Falls Products in Genoa, IL. They produced tractors, chainsaws, lawn mowers and other power equipment.38bcf2586a0c4286ac10612d76e0501b.jpg4cc81bc6e204243a71e788237794f2ac.jpg

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Welcome to the DBE thread, Jp267! You have quite a mixed set of finds. The Alpert wrench from your other post is ringing a bell in my memory cells, but I know I don't have one in my collection.

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Welcome to the DBE thread, Jp267! You have quite a mixed set of finds. The Alpert wrench from your other post is ringing a bell in my memory cells, but I know I don't have one in my collection.

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Thanks! Wish I had an entire set of something, other than odds and ends, but it makes it more interesting that way. The M. Alpert one has me completely stumped. I found it in the box along with New Britain and Billings so I'm wondering if it's a CT or New England maker. I've done tons of searches. There's one for sale on Ebay and that seems to be all that I can turn up.

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A few days ago I started a new thread for these as I couldn't find one after searching. Fortunately, someone directed me to the correct place, and a kind mod deleted the old thread. Don't want to clutter things up.

Anyway, here are some that I found recently.

#1 and #2 a big Lectrolite TruFit 3105. L marking 13/16 7/8.

#3, #4, #5 A big E stamped Barcalo 1 1/4 and 1 3/8.

#6 & #7 A Lectrolite TruFit 3005. 13/16 7/8 Found this one funny. Not sure if all were stamped like this where it reads made in TruFit with the USA after the model #.

#8 & #9 Williams Superwrench 8731.B 13/16 7/8

#10 & #11 A Bonney 2810 1in 15/16in stamped with a BV at one end.

#12 & #13 A new brand to me. M. Alpert 11/16 5/8 stamped with an O marking on one end.

#13 & #14 Bonney 2808 marked CV on one end 7/8 3/4

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If I were a gambling man, I'd bet that M. Alpert is a contract wrench made by....Barcalo! The design and chrome texture has Barcalo written all over it. Even the forged "0" is in the right location for a Barcalo. Alpert could have been a local or regional chain. I found evidence that a Alpert Bros. Hardware store was in operation in Bellmore NY in the early 1900s, and in Springfield, MA from the 1930s to at least the 1960s. Unless coincidental, the two locations could comprise a Northeast hardware chain. Barcalo was in Buffalo, NY, which is the right neighborhood. I could find out little else about the company or the name of the father or all the brothers, but the "M" might fit. Strongest hypothesis I can come up with.
 

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If I were a gambling man, I'd bet that M. Alpert is a contract wrench made by....Barcalo! The design and chrome texture has Barcalo written all over it. Even the forged "0" is in the right location for a Barcalo. Alpert could have been a local or regional chain. I found evidence that a Alpert Bros. Hardware store was in operation in Bellmore NY in the early 1900s, and in Springfield, MA from the 1930s to at least the 1960s. Unless coincidental, the two locations could comprise a Northeast hardware chain. Barcalo was in Buffalo, NY, which is the right neighborhood. I could find out little else about the company or the name of the father or all the brothers, but the "M" might fit. Strongest hypothesis I can come up with.
Yes it is very similar to the Barcalos that I have. I saw the information on the hardware store and it would make sense. My Great Grandfather came out East from Chicago for awhile to work and that's how I ended up with a bunch of NE made tools and Chicago made like Penens and Indestro. He also was in San Francisco, after the 1906 earthquake helping rebuild, but haven't found any Western tools. Though I don't know if there were many California makers back then. He ended up lifting a board and finding a bag of gold nuggets and went back home to Chicago.

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K-D #291 Brake Bleeding wrench. 1/4 3/8

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Jp267

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If I were a gambling man, I'd bet that M. Alpert is a contract wrench made by....Barcalo! The design and chrome texture has Barcalo written all over it. Even the forged "0" is in the right location for a Barcalo. Alpert could have been a local or regional chain. I found evidence that a Alpert Bros. Hardware store was in operation in Bellmore NY in the early 1900s, and in Springfield, MA from the 1930s to at least the 1960s. Unless coincidental, the two locations could comprise a Northeast hardware chain. Barcalo was in Buffalo, NY, which is the right neighborhood. I could find out little else about the company or the name of the father or all the brothers, but the "M" might fit. Strongest hypothesis I can come up with.
Here's a link to a Hardware Dealers magazine from 1917 listing a Myers Alpert in Springfield, MA. This is fun!

https://books.google.com/books?id=W...age&q=m alpert hardware massachusetts&f=false

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Here's a link to a Hardware Dealers magazine from 1917 listing a Myers Alpert in Springfield, MA. This is fun!

https://books.google.com/books?id=W...age&q=m alpert hardware massachusetts&f=false

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Nice find. A little early for the Barcalo connection, but it's possible the Alpert name was continued in the company based on the other references I've seen. Alpert Bros. is referred to from 1930 through 1967 in an obituary for the elderly widow of one of the brothers. Sounds like we have a solid working theory on the M. Alpert wrenches.

And yes, it is fun! Ain't the internet just grand?
 
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Unknown "41-W-2068" 'S' shaped DBE
Rileysan,

I think you're going to like the answer...
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From the Ordnance Supply Catalog, Standard Nomenclature List (SNL) N-19, Tool-Sets, Motor Transport, dated October 5, 1942

41-T-3767-30 | TOOL-SET, Special, Indian Chain Drive
41-T-3767-45 | TOOL-SET, Special, Indian Shaft Drive
41-W-2068 | WRENCH, box, dble-hd., dble-hex., S-shaped, 1/2-in. both ends


Note: previously and erroneously reported as a Harley-Davidson wrench
 
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Rileysan,

I think you're going to like the answer...
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From the Ordnance Supply Catalog, Standard Nomenclature List (SNL) N-19, Tool-Sets, Motor Transport, dated October 5, 1942

41-T-3367-23 | TOOL-SET, Special, Harley-Davidson Shaft Drive
41-W-2068 | WRENCH, box, dble-hd., dble-hex., S-shaped, 1/2-in. both ends

I'll be damned!

Great work. I am in your debt!

Brian
 

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Rileysan,

I think you're going to like the answer...
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From the Ordnance Supply Catalog, Standard Nomenclature List (SNL) N-19, Tool-Sets, Motor Transport, dated October 5, 1942

41-T-3367-23 | TOOL-SET, Special, Harley-Davidson Shaft Drive
41-W-2068 | WRENCH, box, dble-hd., dble-hex., S-shaped, 1/2-in. both ends

I also have to thank you Lugz as I been trying to find info on that wrench for several years without any luck at all.
 
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