gman007
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Hiatt
Very nicely done and you should be proud of it, looks great. Is the swivel clamp from Master Scott? How about end cap (dust cap) - I think that might be also from Master Scott?
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Hiatt
Very nicely done and you should be proud of it, looks great. Is the swivel clamp from Master Scott? How about end cap (dust cap) - I think that might be also from Master Scott?
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Hiatt1991
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Good eye! Yes, the jaws, endcap, pins and swivel locks are all from Kevin. Couldn't have done it without his help.
mlisac
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Very nice. bulbous, orange, black accents. Reminds me of my dad's 71 Super Bee.
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So, second post here. I previously posted the Record vices I have, but I started a restoration on one of them. Not complete, but heres the progress so far
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vintage nut
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I've wanted one of these for a very long time, finally have one set up. 825 toddler bullet on a 303 hydraulic pow-r-arm stand.
Even better than I could have imagined in terms of positionability, and rigidity wise I feel like I'd rip it off the bench before that 303 pow-r-arm slipped. I put some micarta jaws on it to avoid scratching the polished and soft (ivory, ebony, silver, ect) pieces I often work with.
I thought this would scratch the baby bullet itch, but if anything I want one more now to have the big and small one together.
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Even better than I could have imagined in terms of positionability, and rigidity wise I feel like I'd rip it off the bench before that 303 pow-r-arm slipped. I put some micarta jaws on it to avoid scratching the polished and soft (ivory, ebony, silver, ect) pieces I often work with.
I thought this would scratch the baby bullet itch, but if anything I want one more now to have the big and small one together.
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vintage nut
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I'll paint it my normal green and gold at some point in the future, but I've just got way too many other things to do right now
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chrisnazzy
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Is that 2 different vises? In the first pics it looked like an awesome shade of light green. I like it so much I was going to ask what color it was but in the next pics outs royal blue. I'm confused.And some more. Im thinking of picking out the lettering in white, but as of yet I'm undecided
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gman007
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vintage
Very nice setup and congrats on the baby (well technically toddler) and its cradle
!Some posts back , several folks posted stats for the 303 that showed the Workholding Capacity is 150lb, so it is not surprising that when holding
a toddler bullet it would be so stable.
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drivesitfar
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Vintage: i heard a rumor that a want to be Wilton baby was crossing the boarder with it's power arm attached and nice to see it made it. WELL DONE!!
Cletus: since I own several Record vices and would like to maybe swap out the guts on my used 6 inch quick release with a like new Made in England 6 incher can you maybe post up some pictures and tell us how you took yours apart? here's the vise repair 101 thread where it could use some English vices if you have the time.
https://www.garagejournal.com/forum/showthread.php?t=252830&highlight=vise+repair+101
thanks and nice work!!
Cletus: since I own several Record vices and would like to maybe swap out the guts on my used 6 inch quick release with a like new Made in England 6 incher can you maybe post up some pictures and tell us how you took yours apart? here's the vise repair 101 thread where it could use some English vices if you have the time.
https://www.garagejournal.com/forum/showthread.php?t=252830&highlight=vise+repair+101
thanks and nice work!!
drivesitfar
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Ads you saw with sledge hammer were probably columbian. They are made of maleable iron and don’t crack (except for the tool steel jaws). Ductile iron wasn’t patented until the late 1940’s.
Rileysan
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I took a road trip today to pick up a Chicago Wilton 835 (3 1/2") bullet vise. It's missing the collar to hold the screw to the dynamic jaw and I'm concerned the dynamic jaw may be stuck due to a piss-poor paint job, but it looks hardly used (the jaws are perfect).
It cost me $50 and a couple hours of driving - which I made the most of by making other stops (which yielded another vise I will post tomorrow)
Up until today, I have resisted the urge to jump on the Wilton Bullet Train. This is my first bullet vise but I might actually use this one.
It's rainy and windy outside so I'm not going to fuss with it tonight. I'll get photos tomorrow.
The picture is from the ad.
Brian
It cost me $50 and a couple hours of driving - which I made the most of by making other stops (which yielded another vise I will post tomorrow)
Up until today, I have resisted the urge to jump on the Wilton Bullet Train. This is my first bullet vise but I might actually use this one.
It's rainy and windy outside so I'm not going to fuss with it tonight. I'll get photos tomorrow.
The picture is from the ad.
Brian
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454ragtop
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Brian, hopefully that Wilton doesn't have a bent slide tube. Stuck and missing collar doesn't bode well though........
454ragtop
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Most likely an etching primer, typical color for it.
Hiatt1991
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That's a great deal! And I thought my Wilton C-1 was a steal at $100.
drivesitfar
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va.grouseman
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Here's one of those German Monsters like VISEs has.---Cheap too.
https://www.ebay.com/itm/MONSTER-GE...019879?hash=item239256d667:g:7vkAAOSwP4FaAtFm
https://www.ebay.com/itm/MONSTER-GE...019879?hash=item239256d667:g:7vkAAOSwP4FaAtFm
Rileysan
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I hope you're right!
I wasn't going to mess with it tonight, but your comments made me change my mind.
Someone took out the screw and hammered the !#%! out of the nose of the dynamic. I'm irritated I didn't look more closely. I was so damn concerned with getting a great deal, I missed some obvious flaws.
I have it sitting on its tail in a bucket and sprayed it down with PB blaster. I'll come back to it in a day or two.
Brian
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As promised here’s a picture of my two main vises side by side. On the left my first restoration a Columbian D43 1/2 M3. On the right my newest acquisition a 1938 Rock Island 593.
Notice the different look of the bare metal between the two vises. They both received the same treatment once I got them - electrolysis tank followed by light wire wheel for stubborn spots, lithium grease on all moving parts, and a light coat of wd40 on the body to inhibit rust. Although, the Columbian which I did about a year ago has developed a slight rust patina which I think looks fine. The Columbian had a darker bare metal than the Rock Island even before the patina.
Notice the different look of the bare metal between the two vises. They both received the same treatment once I got them - electrolysis tank followed by light wire wheel for stubborn spots, lithium grease on all moving parts, and a light coat of wd40 on the body to inhibit rust. Although, the Columbian which I did about a year ago has developed a slight rust patina which I think looks fine. The Columbian had a darker bare metal than the Rock Island even before the patina.
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Rileysan
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Even if the Wilton turns out to be a bust, the day wasn't wasted. I stopped at a favorite pawn shop on my way home and found this Athol 623 (3") swivel vise. It was marked $59 but I whined about the rusty slide and how stiff it was so I got the vise and a 1/2" drive Plomb pebble ratchet for $50.
I removed the dynamic jaw and cleaned up the slide on a wire wheel, wiped down the rest of the vise with WD-40, and took a wire wheel to the cast lettering. The cast lettering looks horrible on the one side, and there are surface defects all over the place. I only bring it up because I almost freaked out over one spot that looked like it had been welded but it's just slag. I really like this vise the way it is so will likely leave it alone.
One final comment. The main screw is unusual in that the threads are not acme threads, but are back-cut like the screw on a quick-release woodworking vise. Anyone know why this was done this way?
Brian
I removed the dynamic jaw and cleaned up the slide on a wire wheel, wiped down the rest of the vise with WD-40, and took a wire wheel to the cast lettering. The cast lettering looks horrible on the one side, and there are surface defects all over the place. I only bring it up because I almost freaked out over one spot that looked like it had been welded but it's just slag. I really like this vise the way it is so will likely leave it alone.
One final comment. The main screw is unusual in that the threads are not acme threads, but are back-cut like the screw on a quick-release woodworking vise. Anyone know why this was done this way?
Brian
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454ragtop
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It's called a buttress thread, made to have more strength in the closing direction.
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Couple pics of said vise. Still looking for info about the screw and hoping for a decal.........
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vintage nut
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I have to imagine that 150# rating is very conservative. The grab and yank test is subjective, but holding on the vise (not just the little stub out of the pow-r-arm) it truly felt like I'd rip the lag bolts out before it'd slip. Bigger bolts or a lesser bench I'd be willing to bet you could drag the bench around by it. Strength wise you could probably stick a 4" bullet on the thing if you wanted to without running into any lack of strength or rigidity.
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Rileysan
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What he said.
This reminds me of a joke I heard years ago.
An apprentice millwright was arguing with the journeyman and insisted there were only 2 types of SAE threads - National Fine and National Course. The journeyman gently corrected him. "No, there are 3 types of threads - National Fine, National Course, and Cross threads".
Brian
PS - thanks for the education!
va.grouseman
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Yaw watch this little jewel.---It was $92.00 at 5:14 today.
---Should be interesting.
https://www.ebay.com/itm/Antique-Sm...e=STRK:MEBIDX:IT&_trksid=p2055119.m1438.l2649
---Should be interesting.https://www.ebay.com/itm/Antique-Sm...e=STRK:MEBIDX:IT&_trksid=p2055119.m1438.l2649
trijeff
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Glad it's going to work out! Yeah, Wilton said the new pistons were a big improvement.
oldldh
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Yaw watch this little jewel.---It was $92.00 at 5:14 today.
https://www.ebay.com/itm/Antique-Sm...e=STRK:MEBIDX:IT&_trksid=p2055119.m1438.l2649
$ 685.00 at 0330...
Too-a Much-a For-a Me-a....
GETRIDAONE
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You will notice with the screw not making contact with dynamic jaw the tops of the jaws are uneven. The screw is an adjustment so the jaws are flush on top as the locking lever puts pressure on center rotating post. The expanded long slot in the screw is so it will cause friction in the threads to stay in place. It looks like to me the nut moves and causes the dynamic to tilt up in the back and down in front to push the screw down on the locking mechanism.
balane posted an image file of the decal at some point ? It was in a different format, maybe a decal program ? My son changed & resized it so it would print but all that is beyond me. All I had at the time was opaque label paper so it came out cloudy. I found the j.peg file but it is to small when printed. Sorry I wish I could more
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vintage nut
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Went together easily enough, only challenging part was getting the air (or at least most of it) out of the system. Ended up having to put it together the opposite of how the instructions listed. That made a huge difference in how well the lockup worked.
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gman007
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Brian
If end cap is the only major concern, I would not fret about it at all. End cap is pretty thick and can be pounded out. I have attached before and after photos of my Wilton end cap. Granted my end cap was not bad as yours but it is still doable.
Hopefully there are no other major issues (like busted and chipped chuncks, etc) that can be more serious (it does not look it from the photos to be the case but hard to tell)
And this is a Wilton! At absolute worst case scenario, in parts alone you have more than $50 so, personally I would be very happy with my purchase
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drivesitfar
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Riley: 007 is right the end cap can be repaired or you can get an aluminum or brass freeze plug for a $1 or $2 at your Auto parts store to replace it. I was worried about the gap from the main body and end piece that hopefully isn't an issue with busted cast. i'm still crossing fingers for you and yes at worst case you have a great PARTS VISE that's worth what you paid for it.
another reason for dented end caps on wiltons could be from DROPPING so i've pulled them all the way apart and one time i found one that had the inside of the static busted and the kid trying to sell it to me looked at me and said it STILL WORKS like that made me feel better for spending an hour drive after asking if there was any damage to it and he said NO. I passed on that one and learned another lesson even if the kid didn't know it was busted.
Vintage: you might want to post up your paperwork and the change you made to it on vise repair 101 thread in case others ever need it cause sounds like yours works great now. even though i liked all the manuvering of putting different vises and things together to make your angles work on your knife work i bet having this new power arm and bullet rotating and holding things in any position is a lot better.
another reason for dented end caps on wiltons could be from DROPPING so i've pulled them all the way apart and one time i found one that had the inside of the static busted and the kid trying to sell it to me looked at me and said it STILL WORKS like that made me feel better for spending an hour drive after asking if there was any damage to it and he said NO. I passed on that one and learned another lesson even if the kid didn't know it was busted.
Vintage: you might want to post up your paperwork and the change you made to it on vise repair 101 thread in case others ever need it cause sounds like yours works great now. even though i liked all the manuvering of putting different vises and things together to make your angles work on your knife work i bet having this new power arm and bullet rotating and holding things in any position is a lot better.
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AngryBeaver
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go get some EVAPORUST and put it in a 5 gallon bucket and let it sit... it'll do more good than soaking in PB blaster. 20 bucks a gallon or so, but its reusable. best thing I've tried for frozen vises
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drivesitfar
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Rag: since it's a light duty vise you probably could just mount it with 2 screws if you are going to use it and yes it probably had a swivel base. looks like a nice vise for a little guy and you know you did ok with the price even if you use it to hold a books on a shelf.
Riley: also a bucket of diesel or vinegar works well too, but make sure to rinse off vinegar and even blow dry or let sit in the sun cause vinegar left on a vise isn't a good thing.
good luck!!
Riley: also a bucket of diesel or vinegar works well too, but make sure to rinse off vinegar and even blow dry or let sit in the sun cause vinegar left on a vise isn't a good thing.
good luck!!
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drivesitfar
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Rag: at those prices you can hardly go wrong for good old usable USA iron.
ALL: i'm looking at this Prentiss 356 (is that the #?) that is pretty big, but it's got a weird looking maybe weld in one of it's jaws. anybody have a better set of eyes to tell me (us) if this is a weld?
also i didn't know Prentiss had the huge pipe jaws like Wilton and Reed C series vises had so were they the first to use those jaws or was this vise modified.
gotta love when the seller puts a foot on the dynamic to show it's got some heft to it doesn't it?
ALL: i'm looking at this Prentiss 356 (is that the #?) that is pretty big, but it's got a weird looking maybe weld in one of it's jaws. anybody have a better set of eyes to tell me (us) if this is a weld?
also i didn't know Prentiss had the huge pipe jaws like Wilton and Reed C series vises had so were they the first to use those jaws or was this vise modified.
gotta love when the seller puts a foot on the dynamic to show it's got some heft to it doesn't it?
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gman007
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It looks to me that there is a weld on the jaw. In fact even in the first and second photos (even though it is a bit hard to see as photos are small) it seems that the weld is not just on the face of the jaw but goes around the corners as well. It also seems to me jaw broke at the right angle top corner of the [ jaw (see my primitive hand drawing below). At least this is what my eyes tell me
But it sure is still a magnificent looking beast and Dr Scott can always cure the bad jaw for you (well if you get it).
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BMR24
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I think Gman is right. Looks like just the jaw has been repaired. I don't see anything on the casting. Hopefully nothing happened to the screw holes when the jaw broke. I passed on a Parker the other day and the jaw support had broken off causing the jaw to wiggle around. If you see it in person I'd remove the jaw and see if there is any damage