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Installing Asphalt shingles in cold weather?

Skiff Builder

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I just took down this 29 year old shed, which was built and roofed in cold conditions. The 20 yr 3 tab shingles were installed using an Arrow HT-65 Hammer Tacker and
3/4"D x 1"W staples. Upon removal I discovered the tabs had never sealed, staples never rusted. No leaks/repairs/blow offs during lifetime.No underlayment used.
Built over 1500 units using the HT 65 with out a callback. It was quicker than hand nailing and simpler than air.
 

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matt_i

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Hand nailing build character. :beer:

It's also fun.

I agree. Its actually not all bad, you can get some superb Maze true hot dipped galvanized ring shank nails with the money you save :) No chance of over driven nails causing a leak-inducing divot and there is much less chance of high-nailing because you aim (land) the nail
point with finer control. I like 5 nails per shingle.
 

Scott H in Wheaton

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.They are Timberline HD which seem to be lower level architectural shingles. Should I request the cracked peak shingles be replaced? Will the entire line need to be removed (two peaks) to fix the issue?

The other issue is my insurance claim estimate

Jess

Timberline HD is by no means a low level shingle. Best designed architectural shingle and best warranty, by the oldest and largest shingle company in USA.

Cracked shingles need to be replaced.

The roofer works for you, not the insurance company.
The insurance company pays you for your loss,
you pay the roofer for the work you require. He is not
obligated to follow the insurance company claim unless
you spelled it out in writing.
 
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JJ13

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Thanks Scott for correcting me about the shingle quality. I was judging based on comparison to the architectural shingles on some of the houses on the route where I deliver but they are $500k up to at least 1 million. By day I'm a USPS mail carrier. These shingles look better than the old 3 tab but still pretty thin so I assumed they were a lower end product. I didn't see any ** years warranty on the bundles or on their website.

Also, thanks for confirming the cracked shingles need to be replaced. There are 2-3 unopened bundles on the pallet in my drive. If they don't fix it I think I can carefully pry the nails out and replace without tearing it all off. I would put some roof tar in/over the cracks and wait until Spring or Summer when it'll be pliable and easier to work with. I'll give them more time and a chance to do the right thing but so far, I'm not impressed with his crew especially after he told me "they do great work".

He based his price totally off the insurance claim numbers only deducting for a few things that I'm doing myself or already fixed. That is why I am holding him to replacing the rusted chimney flashing and fixing the improperly layered shingle/flashing on one corner where water WILL get under the shingles and/or into the attic space. Maybe I shouldn't have shared that information but he also helped decipher it for me.


I will try to upload some pictures to Google Drive but I have never had luck inserting them into threads on other message boards. I have three separate issues.

First is they are to be paid $450 to replace the chimney flashing but didn't touch the upper, outer flashing that looks to be only glued to the chimney with 17-20+ year old silicone and is totally rusted through in a few spots. I had previously sealed those spots but you can still clearly see rust through the caulk and I exposed two of the worst spots where you can see it is rusted through.

Second, and most dire repair needed is in the valley near the chimney where the garage roof meets the main roof (90 degree angle between the two). Everything looks great until you gently lift the lowest shingle up against the chimney where the main roof shingles continue down into the valley. The last piece of step flashing was cut at a 45 degree angle to hide it. That piece of flashing sits on top of the garage roof shingles and water can run down the garage roof, under that flashing piece and into a hole at the chimney corner. He said he'll install a "ridgelet" along with replacing the rusted flashing.

Third issue is 14, cracked ridge cap shingles. Some are barely cracked (top layer) but a few have holes large enough that I can start to fit my finger into them.

I can fix all these issues myself if necessary. I've been documenting everything and keeping screenshots of the text communications to protect myself if need be. After reading some more I'm hoping I don't have any issues with the shingle tar strip adhering. Today there were 30 mph winds that directly hit the back of my garage. The other roof faces should be fine unless a storm comes in from an unusual direction. One good thing going for me is I chose a darker color so it should heat up plus I helped them lay flat where they were butted almost too tightly against each other.
 

JJ13

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Ok, I considered making my own thread but feel this is still on topic (at least partially) even if I'm not the original poster. The cracked ridge cap shingles seem to be related to the cold weather install. Remember it was 30-40F overcast with absolutely no direct sunshine at all for a few days. The tar strips have most definitely not begun to adhere and probably will not for another 4-5 months. Grr, in hindsight I now know I should have insisted they wait until Spring!

Since the pictures get rotated 90 degrees CCW when I insert them I'll include the directory link instead. I renamed the pictures so they'll make sense if you open them in order.

https://drive.google.com/drive/folders/1-FsGOsm6s7vpyOo0auFZTMc131np56wm?usp=sharing

I guess they were really rushing when they installed the shingles and flashing neat the chimney! Hopefully it all gets redone to replace the rusted pieces AND correctly guide water away from the valley and chimney!
 

oldmxracer

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You do have some problems !

Looks like some hack work to Me and I would wonder what else They screwed up on this install.

They should come back and make it right but are They capable to do that ?

Keep on them and please post the outcome.

Might be to Your advantage to hire someone that knows what they are doing to fix the problems !
 
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