Yaaay! My first suckage! This shall be marked on the calendar!
I've been there for awhile,Bcom. Unfortunately it's NOT for vise acquisitions though.
Good score!
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I've been there for awhile,Bcom. Unfortunately it's NOT for vise acquisitions though.
Good score!
gman007
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Joe
Very nice job on restoration and honestly I like the Gold color too, it is pretty cool!
But I am not a big fan of jaws inserts sticking out an inch on either side! There is obviously no support at these points. If there is too much pressure at these points the outcome might not be nice (but then again that is not your problem
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i've been there for awhile,bcom. Unfortunately it's not for vise acquisitions though.
good score!
LOL!!
Joe
Very nice job on restoration and honestly I like the Gold color too, it is pretty cool!
But I am not a big fan of jaws inserts sticking out an inch on either side! There is obviously no support at these points. If there is too much pressure at these points the outcome might not be nice (but then again that is not your problem
007
I agree that the extended jaws don't really do it for me. But anyone that wants a 150 lb C3 for "bending wire" certainly has other issues to worry about...
KMScott
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They use a small soft pin. This Stanley 744 uses a 3/32 pin. Kind of sloppy, I'll look at tightening up the backlash some how.
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Rileysan
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Great find on that Craftsman 5196, Bcom. Now that I know what you paid for it, you really ****!
I came home with a Reed 305 1/2 today.
The ad was on FB Marketplace and showed a picture of a rusty vise sitting in the mud. No model number or size was included in the ad. Asking price was $150 Here's the photo.
I emailed the seller back and forth and made arrangements to meet this afternoon. It was located at a rural farmhouse only 30 minutes away.
Long story, short, the vise was in a barn that had collapsed last year, and as such had been exposed to the weather for a season. I brought a wire brush and scraper so I could check it out really well. I found a crack in the dynamic jaw that had been welded and almost walked away. As an afterthought, I made an offer of $50 to keep it from going away with the rest of the metal scrap and he accepted. Dammit!
Here's what it looked like being hauled through mud and debris on its way to my car.
Brian
I came home with a Reed 305 1/2 today.
The ad was on FB Marketplace and showed a picture of a rusty vise sitting in the mud. No model number or size was included in the ad. Asking price was $150 Here's the photo.
I emailed the seller back and forth and made arrangements to meet this afternoon. It was located at a rural farmhouse only 30 minutes away.
Long story, short, the vise was in a barn that had collapsed last year, and as such had been exposed to the weather for a season. I brought a wire brush and scraper so I could check it out really well. I found a crack in the dynamic jaw that had been welded and almost walked away. As an afterthought, I made an offer of $50 to keep it from going away with the rest of the metal scrap and he accepted. Dammit!
Here's what it looked like being hauled through mud and debris on its way to my car.
Brian
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Outlawmws
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drivesitfar
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Outlaw: i think i could get used to the certificate with only SUCKAGE. very official and well deserved by those of us the spend hours searching for these old gems.
Riley: if you really are not happy with your purchase bring it with you with my Yost when you pick up your Craftsman planer and i'll hand you $60 for it and stick it in a cabinet until i find it's cousin that needs a part off of it.
Bcom: is that your first 519x vise? what are your thoughts on it's quality and do you think it was made by Rock Island or who? nice find!!
Riley: if you really are not happy with your purchase bring it with you with my Yost when you pick up your Craftsman planer and i'll hand you $60 for it and stick it in a cabinet until i find it's cousin that needs a part off of it.
Bcom: is that your first 519x vise? what are your thoughts on it's quality and do you think it was made by Rock Island or who? nice find!!
I've had this Wilton done for some time now. I bought it with the intention of making it my number one vise but I found a Craftsman 5198 so the Wilton sat for awhile. I bought it for a good price but it was locked up tight. Many rounds of penetrant, hammer, heat and after a year of pounding on it here and there and it broke free.
Since I had the 5198 I decided to restore the Wilton and give it to my dad. He's always been into scrap metals so that was the inspiration for the vice.
The Wilton didn't have an end cap so I made one out of brass and hammered copper. The brass ring was from an old fire extinguisher and the copper was a pipe that I hammered out. I did the letters in silver and used brass screws for the collar. This was my first resto using hammered Verde Green and I can totally see why everyone likes that color. Finally, it came with good jaws but I machined some new ones from copper.
My dad used his vise all the time as a scrapper and it was this POS Chinese made job. I guess it did the job but he should have a much better time with the Wilton.
Since I had the 5198 I decided to restore the Wilton and give it to my dad. He's always been into scrap metals so that was the inspiration for the vice.
The Wilton didn't have an end cap so I made one out of brass and hammered copper. The brass ring was from an old fire extinguisher and the copper was a pipe that I hammered out. I did the letters in silver and used brass screws for the collar. This was my first resto using hammered Verde Green and I can totally see why everyone likes that color. Finally, it came with good jaws but I machined some new ones from copper.
My dad used his vise all the time as a scrapper and it was this POS Chinese made job. I guess it did the job but he should have a much better time with the Wilton.
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meatsis
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Rileysan
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That is one beautiful vise! I don't care what you paid for it, you have earned a "you ****".
Drives. I will start moving to my new place this weekend. I should be available to come your way some time this month - hopefully after I have found your vise in my storage unit!
Brian
bubinga
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Rileysan
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I'll have to look more closely, thanks for the pointer.
Smokeshow69
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I would consider that price suckage for sure ! Nice find... I think I saw that posted but have been busy with other obligations. Nice find on your last 2 vises !
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Let's hear the Columbian theory. It's crossed my mind before but I have no others to compare it to. Since we're on the 519x discussion I own a 5197 picked up for about $50 last year. Maybe this will be a winter project now that I have heat in my garage. Stripping down a Reed, rock island, and the 5197. Taking pics and looking for any similar casting numbers etc. I don't have a reed 204.5 or a rock island 574 as those would be the direct brothers if they actually are but I have 2 577s and a 203r, 1C,4C and a cman 5162, so I can probably get by. I also don't have an Athol 624 1/2 or similar to compare as that's been a theory too.
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trijeff
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Two things
First, that is a top notch restore on what is just a beautifully crafted piece ... your finish on the Cman lines are a fabulous combo. Super drool worthy!
Second, you a real instigator with that Columbian talk! LOL! I actually don't have any meat in the game on this one, but I have always personally thought Reed, or if not Rocky. But all these vise mfgs and sellers seem to have been in bed with each other at one point, so who knows? And does it really matter anyway? Someone actually made that badass piece of equipment and now you have it in your hands!
Rileys---- Love the photos of you dragging the dolly through the mud! LoL!! Good work! That think is a beast!
Outlaw--- thank you for my suckage award! Would it be too much to ask for it in a frame and sent to my house? LOL--
Drives ---- yes this is my first Cman vise. My opinion on quality is that its pretty low-med quality. I dont see how Cman says it warrants it from defects for 20 years on their ad! It feels cheap in my hand and the castings are pretty poor in some areas.
I can see why Cman had a problem with dynamic supports breaking on the 519x models. The dynamic support does not look like it's casted well. It looks rough and bubbly. Must not have been a quality concern area at the factory. Now I personally am learning toward this being a Columbian made vise. I know people all have their own opinions on who made the 519x series Cman vises but I say Columbian. Reason being why I say Columbian is because awhile back i was shown an old smaller Columbian vise that had a small cone shaped nose spindle on it thats typically found on the smaller Cman vises. Since then, I think the 519x models are Columbian made. This is just my opinion and i have no definitive proof
Outlaw--- thank you for my suckage award! Would it be too much to ask for it in a frame and sent to my house? LOL--
Drives ---- yes this is my first Cman vise. My opinion on quality is that its pretty low-med quality. I dont see how Cman says it warrants it from defects for 20 years on their ad! It feels cheap in my hand and the castings are pretty poor in some areas.
I can see why Cman had a problem with dynamic supports breaking on the 519x models. The dynamic support does not look like it's casted well. It looks rough and bubbly. Must not have been a quality concern area at the factory. Now I personally am learning toward this being a Columbian made vise. I know people all have their own opinions on who made the 519x series Cman vises but I say Columbian. Reason being why I say Columbian is because awhile back i was shown an old smaller Columbian vise that had a small cone shaped nose spindle on it thats typically found on the smaller Cman vises. Since then, I think the 519x models are Columbian made. This is just my opinion and i have no definitive proof
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drivesitfar
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Riley: are you sure the Parker 106 has a 5 inch wide jaw? i'm just curious cause i thought Parker had the same sort of numbering system that other vise companies did in that era where the last # represented the jaw width?
also i just saw the picture of the big Reed on the dolly and wondered why you hauled it away on it's main screw? now i see why you were not happy when he accepted your offer cause i didn't look close at the picture before.
just let me know when you have time to drive up and best of luck with the MOVE.
ALL: here's the link to the WHO MADE THE 519x's thread if you'd like to post up a few comments over there.
https://www.garagejournal.com/forum/showthread.php?t=351100&highlight=made+5198
it's leaning toward Rock Island for a number of reasons so would like to see and hear why some of you think it's Columbian which was talked about before. also Bcom you are one of the first owners of a 519x vise to think the quality is junk so i guess you have a right to your opinion.
also i just saw the picture of the big Reed on the dolly and wondered why you hauled it away on it's main screw? now i see why you were not happy when he accepted your offer cause i didn't look close at the picture before.
just let me know when you have time to drive up and best of luck with the MOVE.
ALL: here's the link to the WHO MADE THE 519x's thread if you'd like to post up a few comments over there.
https://www.garagejournal.com/forum/showthread.php?t=351100&highlight=made+5198
it's leaning toward Rock Island for a number of reasons so would like to see and hear why some of you think it's Columbian which was talked about before. also Bcom you are one of the first owners of a 519x vise to think the quality is junk so i guess you have a right to your opinion.
gman007
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Here we go again with the vise craze combined with possibly dishonesty and greed!
Check this out, this magnificent Reed 204 R (4") with sloppily welded / brazed job on the slide with busted arm can be yours for a mere $225.00.
There is no mentioned of any repairs or issues just a comment "Check out the photos to gage the condition" but then again photos are too small (I wonder why?)
https://www.ebay.com/itm/4-Jaw-Swivel-Bench-Table-Swivel-Vise-Blacksmith-Anvil-Vintage-Reed-No-204-R-/132415440146
Check this out, this magnificent Reed 204 R (4") with sloppily welded / brazed job on the slide with busted arm can be yours for a mere $225.00.
There is no mentioned of any repairs or issues just a comment "Check out the photos to gage the condition" but then again photos are too small (I wonder why?)
https://www.ebay.com/itm/4-Jaw-Swivel-Bench-Table-Swivel-Vise-Blacksmith-Anvil-Vintage-Reed-No-204-R-/132415440146
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wrenchguy
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i remember that 1! nice!
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drivesitfar
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Wrench: if you or maybe one of your friends wants to make a split nut one of our members did for his big Reed 4c and check out post #66 and earlier in the thread he has pictures of the one he made.
https://www.garagejournal.com/forum/showthread.php?t=232946&highlight=reed
007: i really feel for the buyer that reads some our posts about how nice Reed vises are and then might buy that one. thanks for sharing and keep up your hunting and you'll bag a few that is for certain. the only issue is that WILL YOU KNOW WHEN TO STOP BUYING THEM?
Joe: i have to agree that i'm not a fan of that Gold and i always like the quality of your work. those extra wide jaws are F'n ugly though so what's with that or did the buyer just want to say he had a 200 pound vise with 8 inch jaws?
https://www.garagejournal.com/forum/showthread.php?t=232946&highlight=reed
007: i really feel for the buyer that reads some our posts about how nice Reed vises are and then might buy that one. thanks for sharing and keep up your hunting and you'll bag a few that is for certain. the only issue is that WILL YOU KNOW WHEN TO STOP BUYING THEM?
Joe: i have to agree that i'm not a fan of that Gold and i always like the quality of your work. those extra wide jaws are F'n ugly though so what's with that or did the buyer just want to say he had a 200 pound vise with 8 inch jaws?
Gman007---- that poor vise has been for sale for over a year. It's even on Etsy for sale. I even asked the seller about the repair and they do say it welded but they arent very forthcoming about it
Maui
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Drives,
I have a Parker 206 that I am currently restoring. It is the swivel base version of the 106 that Rileysan posted about. And the jaw measures 5" in width on the 206 as well. What surprised me about this vise is the weight. The 206 weighs over 100 lbs! There aren't very many vises I have run across with 5" jaws that weigh as much as this one does. I bought it from a guy in Buffalo who pulled it out of somebody's trash. I'm glad that he did. It's going to look fantastic when it's done.
Maui
I have a Parker 206 that I am currently restoring. It is the swivel base version of the 106 that Rileysan posted about. And the jaw measures 5" in width on the 206 as well. What surprised me about this vise is the weight. The 206 weighs over 100 lbs! There aren't very many vises I have run across with 5" jaws that weigh as much as this one does. I bought it from a guy in Buffalo who pulled it out of somebody's trash. I'm glad that he did. It's going to look fantastic when it's done.
Maui
drivesitfar
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Maui: yep those old pre WWII vises are stout that is for certain. what's a new import 5 inch vise weigh maybe 30 pounds?
funny yours and Riley's old Parkers are 106 and 206 with 5 inch jaws and i owned a 956 or maybe it was a 976 that had 6 inch jaws and weighed about 130 or more pounds. GO FIGURE??
I also own this Parker 106.5 that is a beast and weighs about 140 pounds with a 6 inch jaw. anybody have a good static jaw for a Parker 106.5 that needs a good home just PM me with it and i might make a Frankenvise for my outside vise.
thanks for the post and even though i don't LOVE PARKER VISES i'd still buy one or more if they showed up in great shape cause they were almost CUSTOM BUILT.
funny yours and Riley's old Parkers are 106 and 206 with 5 inch jaws and i owned a 956 or maybe it was a 976 that had 6 inch jaws and weighed about 130 or more pounds. GO FIGURE??
I also own this Parker 106.5 that is a beast and weighs about 140 pounds with a 6 inch jaw. anybody have a good static jaw for a Parker 106.5 that needs a good home just PM me with it and i might make a Frankenvise for my outside vise.
thanks for the post and even though i don't LOVE PARKER VISES i'd still buy one or more if they showed up in great shape cause they were almost CUSTOM BUILT.
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gman007
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I have a 204 and that is a 4" but it seems apart from 204 (4") and 208 (8") for the rest of 200 series there does not seem to be a relation between the jaws size the last number of the model! And indeed 206 is 5" (and weighs 104lb)
201 2 1/2
202 3
203 3 1/2
204 4
205 4 1/2
206 5
206 5 1/2
207 6
208 8
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Drives---- I dont think the Cman 915x series are junk, I just don't feel theres alot of qulaity to them. When I pick up the Cman, I can feel theres a good amount of weight to them so they didn't cheap out on the iron but its just the quality of the way it's put together and how the iron is formed is what turns me off. Even putting it side by side next to a dumpy Columbian D44, I still think the Columbian D44 is built better even though it weighs less and may he made by the same company anyway. In the end the Cman 519x vise used a good amount of iron but its presentation is still lame and the quality is subpar. Just my honest opinion about this vise. Its my first 519x series so maybe my mind would change if i seen other 519x series vises. I just dont like how it's built.
gman007
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Along with profound questions such as meaning/purpose of life, any decent Wilton vise nut also always ponders where does an upright and good Wilton nut go when they die!
Well now you have the answer, it is the Wilton heaven which is a closed up factory full of red Wiltons that you get paid to empty! As it says in the link below "We recently emptied out a factory where they used these vises for years and years"
https://www.etsy.com/listing/469580117/wilton-bullet-vise-4?ga_order=most_relevant&ga_search_type=all&ga_view_type=gallery&ga_search_query=vise&ref=sr_gallery_12
Well now you have the answer, it is the Wilton heaven which is a closed up factory full of red Wiltons that you get paid to empty! As it says in the link below "We recently emptied out a factory where they used these vises for years and years"
https://www.etsy.com/listing/469580117/wilton-bullet-vise-4?ga_order=most_relevant&ga_search_type=all&ga_view_type=gallery&ga_search_query=vise&ref=sr_gallery_12
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Gman007--- those red wiltons have been on Etsy for over a year. At first they had no description which they do now. I talked to them once and asked them if they need any end caps and at the time they never mentioned about emptying a factory. I wonder if they've sold any of them since the last time i talked with them?��
Outlawmws
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Drives. most, if not all the Parker vises Pre 97x and 38x had no direct relationship from the Mod. # to the jaw size. If it happened to match it was an accident.
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gman007
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Bcom
Like you said there is not much in the ad about the actual vises being sold (there is a bit of history on Wilton vises however-strange!) The vises are in various states of integrity, some are complete with base and two swivel locks, some are base less and others are anywhere in between but asking price is a flat $350 for 4" Wilton bullets. So I would not be surprised if not all are sold.
007
Rileysan
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Maui and Gman answered the question on the Parker jaw size. I originally thought the same thing too, but I calmed myself down before meeting the seller and looked it up - else I would have been sorely disappointed when I found out it was "only" 5"!
As for hauling the Reed the way I did, it was because the vise was easier to balance on the hand truck with the bulk of the weight down low. The terrain was pretty rough so it wasn't easy moving it out of the field by myself! The Reed had already found a home before you asked, but it's going to another GJ member who will put it back in service before I will!
Brian
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Hiatt1991
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Picked up this Yost 33C for $80. The man I bought it from said that it came off an old military wrecker. It weighs about 100 pounds and has a 5 inch jaw width.
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chrisnazzy
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Nice score Hiatt. There are a couple like it on FB marketplace & Craigslist in Socal and the sellers want $400+.
Chris
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gman007
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Hiatt
Wow that is a nice one for bargain price of $80 for 96 lb vise with 5" jaws. To boot it is in great shape too ! congrats
I have a question regarding the pipe inserts. The static jaw has two pipe jaw inserts but from the photo it looks like there is only one dynamic jaw pipe insert but it might be by design set to sit half way between the two static inserts on the opposite side. Is this true or is the dynamic jaw supposed to have two pipe inserts?
007