Just can't see buying a SnapOn type toolbox...

[Eds_tls]

This thread is dripping with irony

 

[Moose-LandTran]

Where's that honey wagon i called for?

 

[ihredo4]

I can understand both sides of this discussion. I started with a cheap Craftsman Rally box. Now I have a Lista Cabinet that totally kicks ***. As far as the car goes I am a Ford guy. Even though I like Ford I still WILL NOT buy a Ford with a Diesel in it. Instead I built my own. 92 F350 running a 98 Cummins 5.9 with a NV4500 5spd in it. Think Dodge powertrain. Why...I could and its what I wanted. As far as the crapvette goes GM pissed me off with the ZR1. What a piece of waste in my view. But from what my opinion is GM is loaded with a bunch of hypocrites. They said that the ZR1 was the fastest street production car at the time. Yet I could go to Ford and order a McLaren Mustang for a fraction of the Vette and it would outperform the vette handly. GM says it was an unfair comparison since the McLaren was built by someone else. I say true they are just like the LS1. Both cars went across the same build floor. And both were taken to a different building tore apart and rebuilt to different specs. Now granted the building the LS1 went to was owned by GM where the mustang went to McLaren. Funny thing was I could get both of them thru the local dealer. More recently GM gets this Hummer vehicle. They file a lawsuit against Studebaker Atlanta saying that the Studebaker was infringing on the Hummer looks. Stude lost the suit and stopped production. Last I checked the Hummer's front looked an awful lot like the Jeep front end. Must have been a coincidence. I wonder now can I reduce my tax this year to the feds since they bailed out this Hypocrite company that I dont want to deal with at all.

After looking back I may have got the model of Vette wrong. Regardless I stopped any association witht the company at that time. I will not work on anything GM and they do not get parked in my driveway.

 

[rodm1]

search on youtube for picking locks, there are hundreds of videos

Most of those videos have all the guts of the lock removed. Finger presser will turn them over.

But cheap import cabinet locks are easy to pick. Unless you are my old boss.

 

[bushhawg73]

I say spend YOUR money on what you want BUT don't blast someone for doing the same. I would have a 10,000 snappy box right now if I did not have 3 kids, 3 dogs, 3 cats and 3 horses. Oh yea and one wife. Would I ever buy a corvett - NO WAY. A tractor, big diesel generator and 30,000 worth of new tools and shop equipment - OH YEA. But that is my thing - to each their own.

 

[Toolhorder]

I bought a used one for a quarter of the new price. Does the same job.

Yup,
I bought my KRL761/KRL791 combo w/side locker for $2500... Paid less than 25% of retail for it. Works just as good. Had to wait years before I found it though.

 

[Moose-LandTran]

I saved up, then watched eBay for about a week. One came up, just like i wanted and so i bought it. Then a few weeks later i scored the side box too for cheap.

It's going to take a long time to buy the KRL setup i want. Maybe not so long if i buy it new. But it retails over $16k!

 

[Cobra4B]

Its the little things and sometimes the big things that make the difference i'll use my HF 41" box as an example.

Slides
The HF box has ball bearing slides but even empty they don't even slide as well as my Craftsman chest does with as much as I can stuff in a drawer. Also I have a pretty well loaded drawer and if I opened it more often that drawer would probably be toast. Also the slides are much more permanently attached than on a good box so its possible your out a box if they go.

Detents
The HF box has cheap cheap cheap plastic detents which mean in the summer they don't hold very well, this last week I had to pretend I was Hercules because they didn't want to move at all. A higher end box will get you a latching system which is a much more effective method especially if you are in your box all the time.

Finish
That SO box has a nice powder coat finish that will wear really well. My Craftsman box has a reasonable paint job on it and my HF box has some weird scary texture on it.

Casters
My HF box according to my friend has okay casters but their is no way in the world I would try to push it around everyday on them. The same with standard Cman casters. Good casters are not cheap by the way you can easily spend $500 on a set of casters for a larger tool box.

Financing, warranty, and service
In a shop environment you need it now and the details of getting it are less important. A quick call to the SO guy your tool box shows up, you make weekly payments when you buy tools (some shops even do payroll deductions around here), and depending on the dealer a lot of them have warranty parts for commonly sold boxes 1 day away. Of course this doesn't mean anything to someone who pays cash, doesn't work in a shop, and doesn't use the hell of their toolbox.

Tool boxes also cost a heck of a lot of money since every drawer has at least 8 bends in it and several stamping and spot welding operations. I believe Elroy works in a place that does HVAC gear and he could probably tell you more about the pile work that would go into making every single drawer not to mention the rest of the box.

In the end its up to you on what you want but their are certain reasons to buy a better tool box and certain reasons that its hard to justify if you only open your tool box once a month. Personally I buy tools that do the job at a level that I am happy with and most people do that as well (although there are some that are just compensating with their tool collections and boxes).

Thanks for the comparison... seems many people missed the part of my OP that said "I can see it if your a pro-wrench". I understand they're a quality product, just at what cost.

Didn't know guys on here were so defensive about their toolboxes.

In the end, we each have a priority to what we like and are willing to pay for. For some it's a nice car, others, a nice garage, plane, toolbox, gun, boat or even a "trophy" wife.

Correct... not spending $3000 on a toolbox allows me to remodel my kitchen or buy new wheels for the car, or run a few race weekends in the racecar. It's priorities.

cars newer then 1980 arent cars there toys with plastic i mean (urethane,styrofoam,composite) body parts instead of all steel body and nice shiny crome bumbers

I'll take the new car

its strictly a race car that has just barley met us gov standards to be streetable

i think the gtra are kind of kit cars, using ford powerplants but im not sure, im mainly a gm performance guy

Not a "kit car"... it's a purpose built race car by Panoz using a Ford based powertrain. Currently has a built 302 w/ AFR 165s, FTI cam, Pro-Systems carb. Made 314 rwhp... can make a max of 320 per the weight or the class it runs in w/ NASA.

If i'm spending Corvette money, i want to feel that i'm getting what i pay for. If i'm spending $60,000 on a sports car i want a V8 with four cams, variable cam timing, 4 (or 5 if it's an Audi) valves per cylinder. Independant suspension all-round. A nice stitched leather interior. I want a nice dash with quality buttons and switches etc. I've been in a C6 and didn't feel that at all.

So you admit that the things you've listed as "better" are better simply because you perceive them as being that way, thus they make you "feel" better... all subjective. I understand the desire for nice leather and nice buttons etc... these are the things you interact with everytime you drive the car. But why do you feel that multi-cams and multi-valves are "better"... do you work for Audi or BMW?

From an engineering perspective I'd rather KISS... I prefer my 16V, OHV, pushrod powerplant that makes 500+ horsepower with no variable anything, no turbos, no extra **** all day long. Less to break, less to go wrong, and less mass/weight when running around the track.

I say spend YOUR money on what you want BUT don't blast someone for doing the same. I would have a 10,000 snappy box right now if I did not have 3 kids, 3 dogs, 3 cats and 3 horses. Oh yea and one wife. Would I ever buy a corvett - NO WAY. A tractor, big diesel generator and 30,000 worth of new tools and shop equipment - OH YEA. But that is my thing - to each their own.

Where did anyone ever get the idea that I was "blasting" people who buy fancy toolboxes? I simply said that I can't justify the purchase for a weekend warrior such as myself. I'm shopping for a 2nd box or toolcart and my search results prompted this thread. I was surprised that in this economy at this time of year used high end boxes are holding their prices. You'd think some people would be liquidating them to free up cash.

 

[wolpi]

From an engineering perspective I'd rather KISS... I prefer my 16V, OHV, pushrod powerplant that makes 500+ horsepower with no variable anything, no turbos, no extra **** all day long. Less to break, less to go wrong, and less mass/weight when running around the track.

I have an s70 engine (v12 5,6l which was in the 850csi) it has no variable valve timing, no 4 valves per cylinder and i produces about 381hp, you can push it to about 440hp without any changes in or at the engine.
about 15 years ago, there was an engine called s70/2 and after that s70/3...it also was a v12 with 6l variable valve timing, 4 valves per cylinder and this engine produced over 600hp, what did bmw do to get that increase of hp? they took an m3 3.0 (eurospec) head, changed the crankhouse, the rods...the last two changes were made do increase the rpm (i think) but even without those changes the engine would have produced more hp with newer techniques.
if you say: i love my car, my engine etc. it's ok and your opinion and completly ok, but those engines aren't anymore state of the art...if they were every sportscar manufacturor would put an 6-8l v8 engine in his cars...with ohc, 2 valves per cylinder etc.
in a museum not far away from where i live is a really old car...it has a 48l engine and it produces 500hp @ 1500rpm and 750 @ 1700 rpm...
i hope you understand what i want to say... there are more aspects as hp...efficiency etc

greetings

 

[Cobra4B]

I agree... the advent of small displacement multi cam/multi valve engines came about from the size restrictions in racing in Europe. Engieneers were forced to do more with less displacement. Displacement is only a measure of internal volume, most forget to account for an engine's external size/weight. This is very important for overall chassis dynamics.

My point is that a Chevy LSX is more efficient than any of the German/Italian counterparts of similar displacement. Look at the 5 liter V8 in the E39 M5 compared to the LS6 in a C5 Z06... the E39 and LS6 make similar power 400 vs. 405, but the LS6 is substantially smaller and lighter and provides much better fuel economy.

Here's a nice picture to show what I mean.... a 5.0 SBF vs. the 4.6 DOHC mill... yeah the 4.6 is "smaller" but this picture shows everything.

I'll take the power out of the externally smaller/lighter motor.

 

[DynoDale]

What's this have to do with tools again?

 

[wolpi]

I didn't want to say, that engines like the ls1 aren't good engines. but the 5l m5 v8 wasn't a real good engine to compare...these m5 engines were not inventet for racing and they are far away from their posibilities.

if i take this engine f.e. it only has 3,2l and produces 400hp...of course you can build an engine like the ls1 etc smaller..but that's also a question which bore size etc.


greetings

 

[Cobra4B]

What's this have to do with tools again?

Not much any longer

I didn't want to say, that engines like the ls1 aren't good engines. but the 5l m5 v8 wasn't a real good engine to compare...these m5 engines were not inventet for racing and they are far away from their posibilities.

if i take this engine f.e. it only has 3,2l and produces 400hp...of course you can build an engine like the ls1 etc smaller..but that's also a question which bore size etc.


greetings

Not to take this thread way down the off-topic road... my reply was directed at Moose who said that he "feels" a multi-cammed/multi-valve engine is "better".

I know the Bimmer I6s can make serious power. We compete against them all the time as they're a very popular platform for track cars.

 

[Toolhorder]

My ***** is bigger than all of yours.....

 

[krusty the clown]

My ***** is bigger than all of yours.....

then you'll need an overpriced toolbox to keep it in.....

 

[BWS]

"Just can't see buying a SnapOn type toolbox..."

Then don't.........

 

[Old Donn]

Like anything else, you get what you pay for. If you're not a pro, you don't need it. Kinda like a vehicle. If you're just using it to run the kids back & forth to preschool, you probably don't need a GMC 3500 crew cab 4WD diesel dually.

 

[JohnFreeman]

then you'll need an overpriced toolbox to keep it in.....

You could always put it in a cheap import.

 

[Blwnsln]

Its real simple

If you want a quality box you buy a snap-on KRL

Think of it as the ZR-1 corvette of tool boxes, its the best nothing else does its job better for the money.

 

[jteck75]

Loved my KRA box,love my Kennedy Maintenance Pro even more. When I retire the Kennedy,I may go back to another SO box,because no matter what they are a wise investment for the pro.

 

[Merkava_4]

I can't believe this thread is still going. Of all the things to waste money on, a new Snap-On box is not one of them.

 

[Lookin4'67Galaxieconv]

As surely as the sun rising in the east, every once in awhile someone will post a thread saying "I (can't believe) (don't know why) (don't understand) (can't figure out) why some people spend so much money on Snap On (toolbox) (tools) (windbreaker) (socks)."

 

[Merkava_4]

As surely as the sun rising in the east, every once in awhile someone will post a thread saying "I (can't believe) (don't know why) (don't understand) (can't figure out) why some people spend so much money on Snap On (toolbox) (tools) (windbreaker) (socks)."

windbreaker socks? LOL!!

 

[SpiderGearsMan]

yeah yeah , I get it , snap on ***** .....
and vettes are not the fountain of youth or anything either

 

[06wt]

Not a "kit car"... it's a purpose built race car by Panoz using a Ford based powertrain. Currently has a built 302 w/ AFR 165s, FTI cam, Pro-Systems carb. Made 314 rwhp... can make a max of 320 per the weight or the class it runs in w/ NASA.

like i said i dont know performance outside of GM, so sorry for the mix up on the panoz, whats it weigh

 

[crewchief888]

Loved my KRA box,love my Kennedy Maintenance Pro even more. When I retire the Kennedy,I may go back to another SO box,because no matter what they are a wise investment for the pro.

i'm thinking to myself, if i wasnt a tech, then why would i spend $1000's of $$ on a snapon box anyway, could it be the fact that "my toolbox is bigger than yours"?
i see the same thing weekly, the guy having a midlife crisis, going a buying a harley,then bolts every piece of shiney **** he can find onto it, the guy that buys a new crewcab dually 4X4 diesel, drops major $$ on the biggest lift he can find, biggest tires that will fit, and pumps up the HP on the engine. or the guy out trail riding in his 4x4 that has to have the latest and great off road doo-dad bolted onto his truck?
sure i have a harley, it's 30 years old and ive had it for over 20 years. i have a street driven 4x4, thats 10 years old has a little lift and some larger tires, i have my trail truck, that i put more time into than i care to think about, but very little $$$. i've spent more $$$ than i care to think about over the last 30+ years on tool trucks, but thats how i make my money to pay for the house, the old ladys car, keep the lights on, and have some place that my step kids can call home .

sorry for ramblin'

 

[SpiderGearsMan]

the ZR1 is quite a monster , the Z06 is too , out accelerating the every import exoticar for a fraction of the price , with one stinking hydraulic roller cam ....... mclaren mustang ? never heard of it ....hopefully mclaren tossed the mod motor in favor of something that makes power

 

[Kev442]

This gem is on my Clist for the low, low price of 2k. Snap On in big letters.
I'll let you Snappy people fight over it!

 

[Joelfke]

I can't believe this thread is still going. Of all the things to waste money on, a new Snap-On box is not one of them.

x2

pros will buy pro tools
and everyone else will buy what fits their needs. be it a snapon box or a cman box or a husky box or a homemade welded up POS. whatever works for YOU

 

[krusty the clown]

x2

pros will buy pro tools
and everyone else will buy what fits their needs. be it a snapon box or a cman box or a husky box or a homemade welded up POS. whatever works for YOU

there you go........trying to make sense in somebody's flame fest. did toolglutton start this thread

 

[ihredo4]

Here is a link to McLaren Automotive. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/McLaren_Automotive
He is making cars now that can swallow any car GM ever made and spit them out its exhaust. On an interesting side note. Did you know that Henry Ford is basically the father of Cadillac? Look it up. Cadillac was originally made under the Ford name. Henry got into differences with the investors and ended up leaving the company with his name and $900. That company became Detroit Motor Company (IIRC) and later was changed to Cadillac. I kind of hate to bring that up since I am a Ford guy...But then again I would have left that **** too.

 

[Toolhorder]

Here is a link to McLaren Automotive. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/McLaren_Automotive
He is making cars now that can swallow any car GM ever made and spit them out its exhaust. On an interesting side note. Did you know that Henry Ford is basically the father of Cadillac? Look it up. Cadillac was originally made under the Ford name. Henry got into differences with the investors and ended up leaving the company with his name and $900. That company became Detroit Motor Company (IIRC) and later was changed to Cadillac. I kind of hate to bring that up since I am a Ford guy...But then again I would have left that **** too.

Your interesting side note isn't interesting enough and
My ***** is still way bigger than yours....

 

[Bull]

Should this thread die?

 

[wolpi]

Your interesting side note isn't interesting enough and
My ***** is still way bigger than yours....

you still have the biggest
but it's interesting that someone knows what a s70/2 is

i don't want to say this thread should die! but whats more away from this thread? an engine or a guy who permanent posts the size of his ***** is bigger compared to the others? think about that!

greetings

 

[ihredo4]

If you want the thread to die that is allright by me. Some people just start crying when faced by facts.

 

[Bull]

I have no definite opinion on the thread yet. My gut feeling is that if it starts off being about toolboxes, then becomes about cars, wieners, and sarcasm there is a problem.

 

[G-force]

Compared to my SnapOn box, my Craftsman is a way cheaper box.

It's also less expensive.

In 2003 I had the $900 craftsman box fall over within 6 months of purchasing it because I was working in a hurry and left 3 drawers open at once.

I can leave 3 drawers open while sitting on one of them with the Snap-On and it will not budge.

Search CL. I found a mint condition yellow box with upgrades for $1500. The original receipt for $4k was with the owners manual in one of the drawers.

 

[Toolhorder]

I have no definite opinion on the thread yet. My gut feeling is that if it starts off being about toolboxes, then becomes about cars, wieners, and sarcasm there is a problem.

Sorry just having fun Bull. I lol'ed @ wieners BTW

 

[Bull]

Sorry just having fun Bull. I lol'ed @ wieners BTW

There is a picture in a textbook I have of an old-time restaurant. Painted on the window is a sign: "Hot Wieners 5 Cents." Kills me every damn time I see it.

I guess there is no general feeling that the thread should die, so I will leave it alone for the time being.

 

[Toolhorder]

There is a picture in a textbook I have of an old-time restaurant. Painted on the window is a sign: "Hot Wieners 5 Cents." Kills me every damn time I see it.

I guess there is no general feeling that the thread should die, so I will leave it alone for the time being.

One night me and the wife were driving along and the local Black Angus steakhouse's sign had a burnt out "G" so it said Black ****. We both looked at each other and started laughing. Pretty funny.