The VISES of Garage Journal
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drivesitfar
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JOE: I know you are not talking to me so maybe not reading my posts either, but i would have passed on that little Wilton stand too.
So i offered to pay the VIG on all the vises (vices) i buy from NEW ENGLAND and you didn't give me a # to send you a PAYPAL.
now I can't even buy a couple Parker vises I would buy cause i like them. the swivel jaw that was just posted and your double barrel and the one with that cool handle are 3 I can think of besides those stands i should have had you save me one years ago. OK if i'm dead to you I guess i'll have to buy more vises in NEW ENGLAND NOW.
cheers
ALL: you all know i like BLO and i was thinking of just shooting on some rustolem on my steel handled Craftsman wheelbarrow, but i think it looks better with BLO after a little rust removal. I love NAKED STEEL!!
BTW it was 60 and sunny here in Seattle today. GLOBAL WARMING YOU SAY??
So i offered to pay the VIG on all the vises (vices) i buy from NEW ENGLAND and you didn't give me a # to send you a PAYPAL.
now I can't even buy a couple Parker vises I would buy cause i like them. the swivel jaw that was just posted and your double barrel and the one with that cool handle are 3 I can think of besides those stands i should have had you save me one years ago. OK if i'm dead to you I guess i'll have to buy more vises in NEW ENGLAND NOW.
cheers
ALL: you all know i like BLO and i was thinking of just shooting on some rustolem on my steel handled Craftsman wheelbarrow, but i think it looks better with BLO after a little rust removal. I love NAKED STEEL!!
BTW it was 60 and sunny here in Seattle today. GLOBAL WARMING YOU SAY??
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KMScott
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Wrapped up a set of Parker jaws today, fit a new collar also. I sure like Parker vises. This vise never had a Collar, owner pulled the vise open for over 70 years. Parker vises are awesome.
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Outlawmws
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KMScott
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Thanks Outlaw, you should see this vise in person, it never made it through the machining department at the Parker factory. I finished fitting the swivel base since it was still casting and the shoulder bolt was 1/4 undersize because the swivel base was not finished either. Made a bushing for the shoulderbolt and fit everything like it suppose to be. It swivels and locks real nice now. The owner is paying a fortune for this work and did not complain.
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Mr. Wonderful
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All this talk of the parker vise I posted made me dig out this little Wilton that my father picked up for me at a garage sale $5! I'll be posting some finished pics in the next couple days. I believe it's a 3900B. The date stamp is mostly unreadable. Best guess is 1961. Any thoughts would be helpful.
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akasrick
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Chuckle
Mr. Wonderful you made my day....twice. They're still out there.
akasrick
drivesitfar
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Mr.W: if you take a picture of the bottom of the slide on your Wilton (the key way) after you clean it up sometimes our cameras will pick up a date stamp that might be hard to see with the naked eye. you have another nice old AND QUALITY vise.
I guess your PICKING SKILLS came to you in your GENES!!
I guess your PICKING SKILLS came to you in your GENES!!
Mr. Wonderful
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Ok I will add a picture of the key way on the next round. Correction it is a 3800B not a 3900, and has a large "M" stamped on the other side of the moveable jaw. I am not sure what that annotates.
va.grouseman
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Drive, I like that idea of BLOing outdoor implements.---I've got 2, 6 cubit wheelbarrows I'm going to try that on.---I pick up a new idea every day from you fellows.---Anything that makes tools last longer means fewer trips back to Lowes.---I've also got a 1/2 yard cement mixer with a 2 cylinder Wisconsin engine that I'm going to slap some BLO on too, now that I've got the notion.---Thanks.---But in keeping on topic, I personally think that nothing looks better than BLO on my vises.---JMO.
KMS, I am just in awe at the tolerances on your machined jaws especially the Charles Parker jaws.---I'm no machinist but I'm going to venture to say that the C. P. jaws are the most difficult to carve out, which makes you a Michelangelo of steel.---Steel or marble, both are minerals and both start out as blocks or blobs and both harbor within themselves a masterpiece that has to be extracted by the masters hand.---Any machinist can rough out something that's usable, but accepting 0 tolerance sets one in an elite group of artists.---Respect.
KMS, I am just in awe at the tolerances on your machined jaws especially the Charles Parker jaws.---I'm no machinist but I'm going to venture to say that the C. P. jaws are the most difficult to carve out, which makes you a Michelangelo of steel.---Steel or marble, both are minerals and both start out as blocks or blobs and both harbor within themselves a masterpiece that has to be extracted by the masters hand.---Any machinist can rough out something that's usable, but accepting 0 tolerance sets one in an elite group of artists.---Respect.
KMScott
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Thanks VA, you know I have at least a 20 friends that I hang out with that could make these jaws, but they are getting old. In fact they call me the kid at 62. Having years of milling machine and surface grinding experience makes these jaws pretty easy to build, it is just getting the right numbers. What makes these jaws tiresome for old fellas is all the setups. The angle plates with heavy Kurt vises are getting harder to lift into a enclosed CNC or on a table. It is a shame I can not find a young machinist that will learn the way to build stuff by hands in stead of a wire EDM or 5 axis CNC's.
Thanks for your post, it made my day.
A free swivel jaw Parker and a combination Parker WITH the usually missing pipe jaws? You sir ****!! Nice work.
Mr. Wonderful
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Ya, I think if I knew what I was getting at the time neither one would have worked out. Is that swivel jaw Parker somewhat rare? I was never able to find much out about it.
disston
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I don't think anybody gave you any answer about the value of your grandfather's vise. This is a user. If you have a place to bolt it up it may come in handy. These cheap imports from Japan can be useful in the home shop that isn't used for much heavy duty repair but need a third hand sometimes. It's not worth much. 5 to 10 dollars I'd say and even at that it will take days of sitting out in the flea market to get picked up.
Use WD-40 and a wire brush to clean any loose rust off it. It's not worth the effort to paint it but if you must then soak it in Pine Sol (50/50 w/ water) for a week and then hit it with some Rustoleum of your choice.
drivesitfar
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Mr. W: not sure how RARE it is, but swivel jaws in working condition maybe 70 to 100 years old just don't grow on trees. i'll let you find others on this thread or maybe another member has a few to tell you about it more. it's a KEEPER that is for certain.
I guess JoeStripper is mad at me if i'm going to start buying PARKER cause i usually don't.
I guess JoeStripper is mad at me if i'm going to start buying PARKER cause i usually don't.
gman007
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notu: Here is an old link with info and photos courtesy of Dr. Scott.
Chas Parker # 2 4-1/4 Jaws. 7" Opening, over 42 lbs.
https://www.garagejournal.com/forum/showpost.php?p=6827581&postcount=121
as for age my guess is one of the earlier Parkers (~1900) but someone else might know more precisely.
drivesitfar
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007: i'm not saying you are wrong, but Parker i think had a vise patent in 1867 so it could be quite a bit older than early 1900's. I never have tried to figure out their numbering system with all the variations they used, but i think #2 might be pretty old.
gman007
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I guess JoeStripper is mad at me if i'm going to start buying PARKER cause i usually don't.
Driver: Since everyone these days is labeled some kind of "ist", you sir are a PARKERist
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drivesitfar
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007: i think i'm going to quit talking about Parker cause with a DIRT NAP in the works from JOE 
and even you calling me names . that said i never ever said Parker was not a great old vise. i said I RARELY see any around here not BEAT TO ****.
in fact i think i have 3 or 4 sitting on a shelf with busted DYNAMIC JAWS and i've yet to find a Rock Island or Reed with one, but that's not saying they didn't. Prentiss is known for their cracks at the ends of their slides, but i really like their swivel jaw and styling of their vises when i do find one in good shape.
and even you calling me names . that said i never ever said Parker was not a great old vise. i said I RARELY see any around here not BEAT TO ****.in fact i think i have 3 or 4 sitting on a shelf with busted DYNAMIC JAWS and i've yet to find a Rock Island or Reed with one, but that's not saying they didn't. Prentiss is known for their cracks at the ends of their slides, but i really like their swivel jaw and styling of their vises when i do find one in good shape.
gman007
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007: i think i'm going to quit talking about Parker cause with a DIRT NAP in the works from JOE
in fact i think i have 3 or 4 sitting on a shelf with busted DYNAMIC JAWS and i've yet to find a Rock Island or Reed with one, but that's not saying they didn't. Prentiss is known for their cracks at the ends of their slides, but i really like their swivel jaw and styling of their vises when i do find one in good shape.
Driver: You know how goes these days, guilty or not and with or without proof, once we have labeled you, it is proof that you are guilty (due process is dead) of PARKARISM
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I think you are correct #2 could be quite earlier than 1900
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Thanks for the link. Interestingly the #2 I'm looking at has a round base with the single thru-bench bolt instead of the three bolt flange as pictured.
Fretters
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Driver: You know how goes these days, guilty or not and with or without proof, once we have labeled you, it is proof that you are guilty (due process is dead) of PARKARISM
Everyone has their vice.
gman007
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There is also a Parker 2X but that is also a fixed based (like the one #2 in the link). Round base could mean it is a swivel base vise and the single thru-bench bolt would be the old style swivel base where it is adjusted from the under the workbench.
Is there a swivel base that you see in the photos? Can you post some photos, which would be helpful?
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KMScott
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You are right, there is a couple #2 Chas Parker's and after you buy that one could you post pic's and jaw width, max opening and the weight so it will be documented. Welcome to GJ.
Such precision! Very nice indeed!
Outlawmws
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Driver: You know how goes these days, guilty or not and with or without proof, once we have labeled you, it is proof that you are guilty (due process is dead) of PARKARISM
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I think you are correct #2 could be quite earlier than 1900
It sounds like we need pics and patent no's from the #2 you have?
I have a #3 fixed base, 4-3/4" jaws. 60 lbs:
If yours is a swivel base, it may be from a different time?
If its a through the bench swivel. certainly no newer than the teens, possibly the 20's.
Patent dates on my #3:
June 20, 1854, Patent No 11137 - steel Bars in slide;
May 28, 1867, Patent No 65114 - Handle Tensioner;
Nov 26, 1867, Patent No 71498, - Collar;
Dec 17, 1867, Patent No 72327 - Handle Tensioner;
last known catalog 1894, gone by 1901 (I'm sure someone has more catalogs, but that's my set...)
gman007
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notu: If the model is in fact #22 then does it look like this one in the photo below? (I will be honest with you, not seeing the photos is rather frustrating, are these top secret photos???) if so you should have a Patent 1910 on the vise which means it was made anywhere from 1910 to 1930. The jaw width per the vise spread sheet should be 4" and weight around 44 lb
Outlaw: I think you might have missed the last update by noturavgm, the model number apparently is 22 and not 2
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Joe.Striper might have something similar:
https://www.garagejournal.com/forum/showpost.php?p=6438513&postcount=54083
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KMScott
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Outlaw, noturavgm posted the wrong vise number. He first said #2 but changed it to a #22, which is a very common vise.
Have you seen through the bench swivel vises made after the 1900's?
I would like to see pic's of your #3 though. Spreadsheet needs your pic's. Thanks in advance.
My Post # 1976, year my oldest son was born.
Have you seen through the bench swivel vises made after the 1900's?
I would like to see pic's of your #3 though. Spreadsheet needs your pic's. Thanks in advance.
My Post # 1976, year my oldest son was born.
drivesitfar
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NOTU: that is an old Parker with the 1867 patent date on it. i'm not sure that is original main screw holder, but the rest of the vise looks great. it's a bolt thru version so you'll have to check it out under the bench to see if it's missing any parts or how it works if you might want it to swivel.
I wonder if that is a shop of a GJ member cause i see a Craftsman block grinder on the bench in the back?
I don't think that it's a 22 for the # with it's patent date that early, but maybe somebody with a catalog might have the # if it's not a 2 which it could be.
I wonder if that is a shop of a GJ member cause i see a Craftsman block grinder on the bench in the back?
I don't think that it's a 22 for the # with it's patent date that early, but maybe somebody with a catalog might have the # if it's not a 2 which it could be.
gman007
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I think its a 22 with the second 2 worn off or miscast.
This looks like the same as older PAT 1867 3.5" 35lb one that Joe.Striper has (he might have more information on it)
https://www.garagejournal.com/forum/showpost.php?p=6438513&postcount=54083
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Outlawmws
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Yep I missed the number change... Dang, now I've seen the Pics: 
Dr. Scott, I can get you pics, but may be a day or three, (unless I can find the earlier posted pics... they are in here somewhere...)
Dr. Scott, I can get you pics, but may be a day or three, (unless I can find the earlier posted pics... they are in here somewhere...)
Outlawmws
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KMScott
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Thanks and recorded.
akasrick
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drivesitfar
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AKA: yep the newer Parker 22 has a swivel base which I don't think was produced until the 1920's or maybe late 1910's. the vise that we've been talking about has the bolt thru swivel and the very old 1867 Patent date so guessing it's a #2 or it might be the X that is ground off that he's been talking about.
ALL: anybody ever post a vise part wanted on the VISE PARTS THREAD and actually find one that way? it would be great to see some of those posted either here or on that thread. i know i've got some broken vises that i'm probably holding on to just because i buy so many vises that i might need their parts some day. that said if some of you guys would buy the broken vises you come across (especially the pre WWII ones) so you'd have something to trade i know i for one would like a trade for vise parts rather than the cash so i could fix one of the other broken ones i like better. we all can't make parts like a few members can and personally i'd rather have a 100 year old replacement part in most cases than a new part.
ALL: anybody ever post a vise part wanted on the VISE PARTS THREAD and actually find one that way? it would be great to see some of those posted either here or on that thread. i know i've got some broken vises that i'm probably holding on to just because i buy so many vises that i might need their parts some day. that said if some of you guys would buy the broken vises you come across (especially the pre WWII ones) so you'd have something to trade i know i for one would like a trade for vise parts rather than the cash so i could fix one of the other broken ones i like better. we all can't make parts like a few members can and personally i'd rather have a 100 year old replacement part in most cases than a new part.
KMScott
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Here is a #22 I made a base for that was a under the bench swivel lock. Here is one that Nick had at one time with the swivel base. Parker used the same number system on different models.
https://www.garagejournal.com/forum/showpost.php?p=2313059&postcount=4214
Just my 2cents.
https://www.garagejournal.com/forum/showpost.php?p=2313059&postcount=4214
Just my 2cents.
