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Here's a Reed 204A vise that I just finished. It must have been a factory second because the A from the model # was stamped instead of cast in the body.

This was a challenged vise that needed a swivel base bolt/bushing assembly, had damage to the slide, damage to one of the spindle handle ends, a bent swivel base handle and a frozen spindle retainer. I was told by the seller that was used in Arkla Industries; Evansville, IN. Division (former local manufacturer of gas grills). Circa. 1938?

I hope to soon find a good home for it. Here are some after pictures & a before picture:

Mark If memory serves me right you had some posts about this vise on the vise repair thread sometimes back (I think among other things you fabricated your own bolt etc) . Wow what a transformation, you really overcome a lot of issues and brought the vise back to life. Looks great :beer:
 
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First of all gents, appreciate the kudos.

Second, if I were more technical I'd be done with a "feed" of that spreadsheet straight into TA. But alas, I haven't quite been able to figure it out. I'll get it, but if I were a pro (or had a pro's help) it'd been done months ago.

Might be helpful to mention what format the spreadsheet is in, what programming/scripting language you're using on the TA webserver etc., to try and get someone interested in helping out on that front. End of the day, it's probably a fairly simple parsing and format exercise to copy it over. The complexities tend to be in the format, language and fine tuning etc.
 

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Might be helpful to mention what format the spreadsheet is in, what programming/scripting language you're using on the TA webserver etc., to try and get someone interested in helping out on that front. End of the day, it's probably a fairly simple parsing and format exercise to copy it over. The complexities tend to be in the format, language and fine tuning etc.
I am attempting to bring it in "live." In other words, via a feed. That way, it will update every night at midnight and I won't have to mess with it, as long as the format/location of the file doesn't change. My site runs on Drupal. I can connect to it, and have all the fields mapped, but she doesn't want to ****....

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Most times when a detail is missing on a casting it is because the casting sand did not retain the shape from the pattern board. This is usually because of improper procedure in packing the sand against the pattern, but it also can be from improper handling of the sand mould, or even failure of the sand to stick together during the pour.

Prov Thank you for the great insight. But something still puzzles me and I might be applying modern marketing thinking that was of no concern back then, but here it is anyway.

I recall here seeing vises with misspelled words but I was not aware that manufacturers would let a vise with obvious casting defect (even though it is cosmetic) to go out of factory.

To start with why would someone buy this vise (and for that matter the misspelled ones too) with the obvious issue rather than buy one that has no issue? Were there discounts given for defective vises or something?

But even more importantly if one sees a defective product (regardless of the level of the defect), one might wonder what is the general quality and what else is wrong with the product (eg are there also voids in the casting that one can not see) and the brand. Despite the fact that a discounted defective product still generates some revenue, it does tarnishes the reputation and image as it advertises sloppy work and lack of quality.

So how the heck did these vises make to the the market?
 

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I am attempting to bring it in "live." In other words, via a feed. That way, it will update every night at midnight and I won't have to mess with it, as long as the format/location of the file doesn't change. My site runs on Drupal. I can connect to it, and have all the fields mapped, but she doesn't want to ****....

Drupal. That's PHP, is it not? What do you mean by doesn't want to ****; Is it not copying the contents of the remote file? Something like file_get_contents() is a simple function for that purpose.
 
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Drupal. That's PHP, is it not? What do you mean by doesn't want to ****; Is it not copying the contents of the remote file? Something like file_get_contents() is a simple function for that purpose.
I set it up to pull the feed and insert the data into a table in my DB. I copied the file to my server and it works, but I don't want to have to constantly do that. With Drupal, there are thousands of add-on functional apps that you can put in your instance for code-illiterate folks like me. Yes, you can work with raw code but I've no clue what I'm doing.

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Mark: great work on that REED!!

Twertsy: I wish i could help, but i can't seem to take pics on my new Iphone and pull pics from the CLOUD (maybe it's raining too much :bounce:).

best of luck figuring out some of the 21st century technology so we can all learn more about those 19th and 20th century tools.
 

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I set it up to pull the feed and insert the data into a table in my DB. I copied the file to my server and it works, but I don't want to have to constantly do that. With Drupal, there are thousands of add-on functional apps that you can put in your instance for code-illiterate folks like me. Yes, you can work with raw code but I've no clue what I'm doing.

So all you need is a script to automatically place the file content onto your server? A separate script & cron entry could sort that bit. Probably best PM'ing me, rather than cluttering this thread with our geek speak any more. :D I'm rusty on the coding front, (haven't done any PHP scripting in over four years or so), but if I can help, I'll give it a shot.
 

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So how the heck did these vises make to the the market?

Pure speculation, but I'm sure in the late 19th/early 20th century, most people probably did not think about it that much, and also were probably poor/uneducated so might not even know if a word was misspelled. I'm guessing, too, that your average vise buyer in those times didn't care about details, just whether or not the vise worked as intended.

Sometimes it's easy to forget that on the GJ, we take vise fetishism to a whole new level. I'm sure there were "vise nerds" back then, but certainly not as many as in modern times.

Even if someone did spot the mistake after the vises were cast, it probably wouldn't make good financial sense to scrap otherwise good vises just because of a spelling error.

That being said, I've posted pics in this thread of a Jacobson 7" swivel jaw, and the B is omitted from the name cast in to the vise body. You would think that employees, regardless of intellect or education, would know how to spell the name of their employer just from seeing the name on signs, the building, uniforms, or their paycheck. I'm guessing my example might have just been a simple oops.
 

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I picked up a NOS vise over the weekend, a Columbian 503 1/2. Its not a super desirable vise but its a solid well made vise. Columbian vises seem to be near the bottom of the list for some reason. It still has the tag and for $30 I think most on here would have bought it also.
 

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Yea, most all of us would have jumped on that one NJ.---For the record, I like Columbians a lot.---I used a stationary 6'' jaw Columbian for 30 years and 6 years ago I retired it with a 608 swivel base Columbian which is my everyday user.---No complaints.



EDIT-----I think that one is set up to receive a swivel base if desired.
 
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Yea, most all of us would have jumped on that one NJ.---For the record, I like Columbians a lot.---I used a stationary 6'' jaw Columbian for 30 years and 6 years ago I retired it with a 608 swivel base Columbian which is my everyday user.---No complaints.



EDIT-----I think that one is set up to receive a swivel base if desired.

You might be right on the swivel base. Ill take a look tomorrow and see what the underside looks like.
 

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Marty: i've got the Craftsman version of that vise and it's built pretty well. mine also doesn't have a swivel base. nice find!! is that cabinet in the background yours or did you manage to buy that too?

ALL: i got a little exercise today!
 

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I picked up a NOS vise over the weekend, a Columbian 503 1/2. Its not a super desirable vise but its a solid well made vise. Columbian vises seem to be near the bottom of the list for some reason. It still has the tag and for $30 I think most on here would have bought it also.

WOW!!! :eek:
 
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It's very cost prohibitive also. I only paid 75 bucks for my 577 with one broken off foot. I plan to TIG a buildup of silicone bronze and make a new foot.


Jrobb, I found 2 old posts where broken off swivel base ears were repaired and both jobs looked really nice.---But if you could procure that broken 577 for $150.00, and some shipping, you would still be money ahead just for the 577 parts.---You could probably EBay the parts you didn't need and recoup most of your cost.---577s are getting scarcer and scarcer.


Here's those 2 posts.

(1) Posted by Nightshift on Page 38, Post 757.

(2) Posted by Ritzblitz on Page 464, Post 9268, scroll down.
 

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Marty: i've got the Craftsman version of that vise and it's built pretty well. mine also doesn't have a swivel base. nice find!! is that cabinet in the background yours or did you manage to buy that too?

ALL: i got a little exercise today!

Yes they are my cabinets. Sure looks like you were busy, great score on the WD40:lol:

Looks like the vises are in good shape.
 

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Jrobb, I found 2 old posts where broken off swivel base ears were repaired and both jobs looked really nice.---But if you could procure that broken 577 for $150.00, and some shipping, you would still be money ahead just for the 577 parts.---You could probably EBay the parts you didn't need and recoup most of your cost.---577s are getting scarcer and scarcer.


Here's those 2 posts.

(1) Posted by Nightshift on Page 38, Post 757.

(2) Posted by Ritzblitz on Page 464, Post 9268, scroll down.

Here is another one I did on a heavy Rock Island last year, should have good examples in replacing swivel base ears in these three repairs. Every base is different and some repairs may not work. I believe bolting the insert in place then brazing is the strongest repair you can do on base feet.

https://www.garagejournal.com/forum/showpost.php?p=6696217&postcount=58207
 

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I picked up a NOS vise over the weekend, a Columbian 503 1/2. Its not a super desirable vise but its a solid well made vise. Columbian vises seem to be near the bottom of the list for some reason. It still has the tag and for $30 I think most on here would have bought it also.

Really nice find. You would still **** at 3x the price in my opinion.

I love the "guaranteed unbreakable" tag. You know there is someone out there wielding a very large, heavy hammer who would see that as a challenge and manage to prove them wrong.

That said I can't recall seeing many broken Columbians.
 

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Pure speculation, but I'm sure in the late 19th/early 20th century, most people probably did not think about it that much, and also were probably poor/uneducated so might not even know if a word was misspelled. I'm guessing, too, that your average vise buyer in those times didn't care about details, just whether or not the vise worked as intended.

Sometimes it's easy to forget that on the GJ, we take vise fetishism to a whole new level. I'm sure there were "vise nerds" back then, but certainly not as many as in modern times.

Even if someone did spot the mistake after the vises were cast, it probably wouldn't make good financial sense to scrap otherwise good vises just because of a spelling error.

That being said, I've posted pics in this thread of a Jacobson 7" swivel jaw, and the B is omitted from the name cast in to the vise body. You would think that employees, regardless of intellect or education, would know how to spell the name of their employer just from seeing the name on signs, the building, uniforms, or their paycheck. I'm guessing my example might have just been a simple oops.

Not all vises were made "in house" but instead the casting was farmed out to a foundry not associated with the vise factory. The contract foundry crew would not be as aware of the vise trade name, so a misspelling would be more likely in that case. Despite this, I seem to notice more casting mistakes in Prentiss vises than others, but none of them seem to affect the usefulness of the vise.
 

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Thanks guys! I will fix it. I can't justify spending double what I paid for the vise (even though it would still be ok on all in cost), unless someone local picks it and parts it out I may be a buyer of a part. I was also wrong, it's a 100 mile swim (one way).
 

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KMS, I remembered your fix on the RI, but I just couldn't find it.---I agree on the bolted on then brazed or welded fix being the strongest.---That way you have double adherents working for you.---Took me an hour to find the 2 examples that I did find.


Jrobb, forget the swim.---Michael Phelps couldn't do it.---Put used vise parts in your EBay saved searches and you might see your part pop up in your emails.---I get a new notice every other day.
 

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Jrobb, forget the swim.---Michael Phelps couldn't do it.---Put used vise parts in your EBay saved searches and you might see your part pop up in your emails.---I get a new notice every other day.


Now I can swim with the 150 lb vise 50 miles (half point), if Jrobb agrees to meet there and take it back from there :lol_hitti

Alternatively, he can wait for the lake to freeze (and some years it does freeze solid nearly 100%) and skate or snow mobile across. :D
 
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I picked up this Wilton 9450 a couple of weeks ago from a local buy and sell group on Facebook. Paid $30CDN for it ($24USD). Date stamp says 10/53. Pictures show it as I bought it, disassembled, and as it sits now.

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I picked up this Wilton 9450 a couple of weeks ago from a local buy and sell group on Facebook. Paid $30CDN for it ($24USD). Date stamp says 10/53. Pictures show it as I bought it, disassembled, and as it sits now.


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Ursus Wow $24USD for a 9450!!!! Sir you officially **** and by the way nice job on the restore too :beer:. Just a aide note though, usually the anvil area is left unpainted.

BTW can you update your location in your profile that way every one knows where you live (may be they should change the name to Wilton Heaven) :)
 
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Ursus Wow $24USD for a 9450!!!! Sir you officially **** and by the way nice job on the restore too :beer:. Just a aide note though, usually the anvil area is left unpainted.



BTW can you update your location in your profile that way every one knows you live (may be they should change the name to Wilton Heaven) :)



I thought it was a pretty good deal for sure. Thanks for the heads up about the anvil... I thought about that after the fact. Might have to get the dremel out and buff that spot off.


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Picked up these Wilton copper jaws off CL last night. I actually saw an ad for an import vise with these on it for $40 and I asked the seller if he would sell me just the soft jaws for $15.

They are going to fit my two 4" Athol vises perfectly. That is until a 4" Wilton joins my herd someday.
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Now I can swim with the 150 lb vise 50 miles (half point), if Jrobb agrees to meet there and take it back from there :lol_hitti

Alternatively, he can wait for the lake to freeze (and some years it does freeze solid nearly 100%) and skate or snow mobile across. :D


Gman, don't overextend yourself.---I heard of a similar situation happening a few years ago when a man was fished out of a lake.---Investigators said apparently the man had stole way more chain and locks than he could swim with.:D---Man's got to know his limitations.
 

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I thought it was a pretty good deal for sure. Thanks for the heads up about the anvil... I thought about that after the fact. Might have to get the dremel out and buff that spot off.


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Ursus Are those jaw inserts replacements or original? Here is why I am curious. I find it rather odd that the vise is in great shape and specially the jaw inserts are in immaculate shape and look almost never used, but the anvil seems to have taken a bit of beating (and as everyone here agrees the anvil on a vise is really a cosmetic feature and should not be ever used).

Since the jaw inserts look almost never used, it seems someone mistook this Wilton bullet vise for Wilton Bullet anvil :bounce:

In any case if this was my vise and I was to use to the dremel to buff the anvil, I would first use an angle grinder to get ride of some of the scars off and smooth the anvil surface (there is enough meat there to easily withstand shaving off a little bit of material). But that is my two cents and others might agree or disagree and more importantly it is your vise to do whatever with.
 

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Gman, don't overextend yourself.---I heard of a similar situation happening a few years ago when a man was fished out of a lake.---Investigators said apparently the man had stole way more chain and locks than he could swim with.:D---Man's got to know his limitations.

VA You have a valid point, since this is an RI vise this is not doable, however if this was a Columbian (boy I am going to get an earful from Columbian fans and I even do have a few Columbians myself) with its hallow structure one could use it as a flotation device :)
 
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