Between 485 & 705 SQ/FT Bob Heine's Auto Emporium
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Workspaces between 485 and 705 squarefeet.
Dan, that's a great idea. I may also bundle the bare grounds together and wrap them as well. Thanks for the visit -- I always enjoy your thread and should probably post on it more often. I really like your work on the lathe and the refresh on the shed but it's making me a little jealous.That has always made me wonder.That's why I always wrap the switch or outlet with electrical tape before stuffing it all back in the box.
I know I have no business complaining about the cold but it's not only gotten down into the 40s but also hanging around those lows for more than a week. Today I seriously considered going back in the house to put on shoes AND socks when I went down to the workshop. The garage has dropped from its normal 82*F to 70*F. Part of that is from the opening in the ceiling letting cold air in.
I don't have heat in the garage and I'm not planning on adding anything permanent. I may buy one of those ceramic heat cubes. As soon as it arrives the weather will warm up. I do have a heater for the workshop but it takes a while to warm the place up...
I don't have heat in the garage and I'm not planning on adding anything permanent. I may buy one of those ceramic heat cubes. As soon as it arrives the weather will warm up. I do have a heater for the workshop but it takes a while to warm the place up...
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sawduststeve
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Evening Bob
Cool 'vette, I had a '74, same colour as yours, in the 90's, saddle leather interior, service history, one lady owner from new imported from California.
Our twin and earth cabling is the same as yours, live, neutral and earth (ground). The earth is not in its own insulation so when it comes into the back box you cover it with a yellow and green sleaving which you buy by the roll.It prevents the problem you suffered.
Happy n health new year.
Steve
Cool 'vette, I had a '74, same colour as yours, in the 90's, saddle leather interior, service history, one lady owner from new imported from California.
Our twin and earth cabling is the same as yours, live, neutral and earth (ground). The earth is not in its own insulation so when it comes into the back box you cover it with a yellow and green sleaving which you buy by the roll.It prevents the problem you suffered.
Happy n health new year.
Steve
Steve, I apologize for taking so long to reply.Evening Bob
Cool 'vette, I had a '74, same colour as yours, in the 90's, saddle leather interior, service history, one lady owner from new imported from California.
Our twin and earth cabling is the same as yours, live, neutral and earth (ground). The earth is not in its own insulation so when it comes into the back box you cover it with a yellow and green sleaving which you buy by the roll.It prevents the problem you suffered.
Happy n health new year.
Steve
That Ontario Orange was the most popular Corvette color in 1972. In '74 the Orange was called Corvette Orange but pretty close to the same color. Mine was also fitted with saddle but vinyl rather than leather. If and when I get back to work on it, the exterior will be black and the interior light saddle leather (a 1970 interior color). Mine was owned by a young woman who had loud noises fixed. She also seemed to choose the lowest bid.
I pushed the bare ground wires to the back of the box and taped the switches so the bare wire couldn't touch the electrical terminals. Seems to be working OK.
I have been meaning to build an enclosure for the audio equipment (and ice maker) in the garage. I bought some MDF panels and thought I would assemble it with pocket screws. I've used the pocket screw jig for the termite repair but thought it was going to be a hassle on a 2-foot deep by 4-foot high by 19-inch wide box.
I have wanted to try biscuit joinery for a long time but the joiner tool was relatively expensive. I found one for $70 and decided to give it a try.
I thought a box for my laminate trimmer would be a good test project. The Ryobi trimmer came in a cardboard box and over the past 30 years it has lost it's good looks.
I started the project by pulling out pieces of scrap pine. Cut the scraps into the appropriate size on the radial arm saw and cut biscuit slots in the scraps after marking their location on side, end and bottom pieces. It was going so well I neglected to mark which side of the wood needed the slot. So glad it was only one piece of scrap.
I dry fitted the pieces of the box and the five pieces went together just fine. I then discovered that wood glue hardens in the bottle. The bottle doesn't have a "best by" date but apparently it is less than three decades.
Progress came to a halt until I could coordinate a grocery/glue/gas trip.
I have wanted to try biscuit joinery for a long time but the joiner tool was relatively expensive. I found one for $70 and decided to give it a try.
I thought a box for my laminate trimmer would be a good test project. The Ryobi trimmer came in a cardboard box and over the past 30 years it has lost it's good looks.
I started the project by pulling out pieces of scrap pine. Cut the scraps into the appropriate size on the radial arm saw and cut biscuit slots in the scraps after marking their location on side, end and bottom pieces. It was going so well I neglected to mark which side of the wood needed the slot. So glad it was only one piece of scrap.
I dry fitted the pieces of the box and the five pieces went together just fine. I then discovered that wood glue hardens in the bottle. The bottle doesn't have a "best by" date but apparently it is less than three decades.
Progress came to a halt until I could coordinate a grocery/glue/gas trip.
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The box was a complete success and after some 36-grit belt sanding I had a bare wood lid for the box instead of a painted scrap. A little time with the random orbital sander and some 120-grit sandpaper and the whole box looks good enough to hide in a cabinet.
It appears I also had a tornado strike inside the workshop.
When I went to test fit the box in the cabinet, I discovered a problem. The wooden box is much bigger than the cardboard box it replaces and I now have a box that doesn't fit but extra empty space in the cabinet. Then I noticed the real problem: I have a full-size router in a blow-mold case that fills the whole shelf (the black thing on the top shelf).
It's not a useless case because it holds a bunch of bits and a guide plate. I decided to take the Kreg Jig and router cases down and empty the contents of the router case. I also have a full size plunge router that just keeps moving around the workbench. Without the case, all three routers fit on one shelf. Based on weight, I moved the Drill Doctor case and the router lettering template to the top shelf, along with the laminate stripper. Now the three routers are handy and kept out of the path of the tornado inside a cabinet.
You'll note the Kreg Jig case fits as well. Now I just need to find a use for a wooden box.
It appears I also had a tornado strike inside the workshop.
When I went to test fit the box in the cabinet, I discovered a problem. The wooden box is much bigger than the cardboard box it replaces and I now have a box that doesn't fit but extra empty space in the cabinet. Then I noticed the real problem: I have a full-size router in a blow-mold case that fills the whole shelf (the black thing on the top shelf).
It's not a useless case because it holds a bunch of bits and a guide plate. I decided to take the Kreg Jig and router cases down and empty the contents of the router case. I also have a full size plunge router that just keeps moving around the workbench. Without the case, all three routers fit on one shelf. Based on weight, I moved the Drill Doctor case and the router lettering template to the top shelf, along with the laminate stripper. Now the three routers are handy and kept out of the path of the tornado inside a cabinet.
You'll note the Kreg Jig case fits as well. Now I just need to find a use for a wooden box.
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oldironfarmer
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We would like to see a close up of the new box!
I suggest you put wheels on it...
I suggest you put wheels on it...
While I was handling the laminate trimmer, I remember an accessory I had always wanted: a roller guide. It is supposed to mount on the side of the trimmer in a relief.
Back in the 80s Norm and Bob on This Old House did a lot of Formica cabinet upgrading in their early shows. Wood cabinets were an inconceivable luxury for my wife and I so I invested $300 for laminate (1/32- and 1/16-inch for facing and counters, respectively) and a specialty tool and we had a "new" kitchen. Sears was willing to do the doors alone for $3,000 so I (and more importantly, my wife) was pleased.
Once strips of laminate were cemented to the edges of the doors or counters, I would sand down the upper surface before contact cementing the bigger pieces of laminate. Final step was to trim the face. Excess contact cement was getting into and on the little guide roller bearing, making final cleanup of the edge with a file take a lot longer. I was told that a guide roller mounted to the trimmer worked better, either alone or in addition to the roller on the bit.
My Ryobi listed the guide as an option but as I recall it was $50 and the laminate trimmer only cost $90. I did a google and found what looked like the right guide but it was a DeWalt part.
The guide has the right notches and ridges and surprise surprise it fits perfectly. This guide was $10 plus $5 shipping. Unfortunately it didn't come with a mounting screw. Using my Larsen thread chasers, it turned out the mounting screw is a metric M6 so I ordered five knobs with M6 thread (turns out one is the same price as five).
I'm in business.
Back in the 80s Norm and Bob on This Old House did a lot of Formica cabinet upgrading in their early shows. Wood cabinets were an inconceivable luxury for my wife and I so I invested $300 for laminate (1/32- and 1/16-inch for facing and counters, respectively) and a specialty tool and we had a "new" kitchen. Sears was willing to do the doors alone for $3,000 so I (and more importantly, my wife) was pleased.
Once strips of laminate were cemented to the edges of the doors or counters, I would sand down the upper surface before contact cementing the bigger pieces of laminate. Final step was to trim the face. Excess contact cement was getting into and on the little guide roller bearing, making final cleanup of the edge with a file take a lot longer. I was told that a guide roller mounted to the trimmer worked better, either alone or in addition to the roller on the bit.
My Ryobi listed the guide as an option but as I recall it was $50 and the laminate trimmer only cost $90. I did a google and found what looked like the right guide but it was a DeWalt part.
The guide has the right notches and ridges and surprise surprise it fits perfectly. This guide was $10 plus $5 shipping. Unfortunately it didn't come with a mounting screw. Using my Larsen thread chasers, it turned out the mounting screw is a metric M6 so I ordered five knobs with M6 thread (turns out one is the same price as five).
I'm in business.
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Andy, it doesn't look better just because it's closer...
Some of my scrap lumber is presentable and some is kindling. I made the lid from kindling that was covered with a thick layer of paint. Doesn't look a lot better stripped. I did try to mortise a couple of scrap hinges..
The holes in the lid for that hinge need to be relocated but I seem to have organized the box of toothpicks I found last week to a new and very secret location. One hinge will have to suffice for the moment. Unfortunately the lid isn't sitting flat -- yet (belt sander with 36-grit can make almost anything fit).
Maybe I should make a second box and put wheels on both.
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oldironfarmer
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Looks like a nice sturdy box to me!
With the recent frigid temperatures (it was in the 40s [F]) I was afraid the garage would get cold (below 70 [F]). My hillbilly jeans (genes?) decided the hole in the ceiling needed a patch. My valleybilly jeans suggested I buy a sheet of 5/8" fire rated drywall. Turns out hillbilly saw a piece of cardboard in the recycling bin.
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oldironfarmer
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Maybe a cushion on top for rolling storage seat.
driftpin
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Bob, I bet the draft coming out of that ceiling hole is less w/the cardboard. But you're on the right path w/the gypsum board. My friend who was a Broward County Fire/Rescue Fire Marshal who retired, used to say the easiest path for a fire to move into the attic of a home was through the piece of plywood over the hole to the attic access. He said he saw many homes where a simple piece of drywall in the attic access would have prevented a fire from gaining access to the attic, where it has no barrier from spreading across the entire house very quickly.
Years ago there was a Plantation (Broward Co. FL) condo building which had a common attic above the apartments, & no firestop walls between apartments, and they lost the whole building because of it. The fire gained access to the attic, and it ate the entire building. I recall the fire, and that's used as an example of poor design, and something that could have been retrofitted. If they had, the fire probably would have been contained to the unit of fire origin, and wouldn't have spread across the entire common cockloft.
Years ago there was a Plantation (Broward Co. FL) condo building which had a common attic above the apartments, & no firestop walls between apartments, and they lost the whole building because of it. The fire gained access to the attic, and it ate the entire building. I recall the fire, and that's used as an example of poor design, and something that could have been retrofitted. If they had, the fire probably would have been contained to the unit of fire origin, and wouldn't have spread across the entire common cockloft.
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Bob, your roller guide looks very similar to my Makita.
Your box has come up well..
Your box has come up well..
jon72vega
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Bob,
Good job on the box!
I've always wanted to be able to make something like that, but alas my woodworking skills are non existant.
Given enough sanding & paint my stuff will look passable at best.
Good job on the box!
I've always wanted to be able to make something like that, but alas my woodworking skills are non existant.
Given enough sanding & paint my stuff will look passable at best.
Craptain
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Your storage seems to work like mine. I really want to keep all the blow molded cases, but, end up with a lot of empty ones with the tools more accessible. I am also very good at making things (like boxes) that ultimately have no use. Or at least not the use I built them for.
At least it's a good looking box.
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At least it's a good looking box.
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cbacres
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Bob, I think your the first person I've seen use slotted screws on a new project.
oldironfarmer
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New old stock, I'm sure. Bob was trying to irritate those with OCD by not clocking the screws.
I just ignore him.
I just ignore him.
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Andy, now I'm headed for trouble. If my wife sees anything remotely resembling furniture I'll be explaining why we have plastic Adirondack chairs instead of the real thing. I don't know if this is a rabbit hole or a bear den.
Philip, I was challenged putting up 5/8" gypsum board in the garage. I don't actually remember how I did it but that probably means it was painful. Knowing it would slow a fire, I made sure I used the thicker stuff. I'll have to buy a whole sheet to fix that hole.
You bring up a good point about the folding staircases. I have two in the garage and they both have 1/4" plywood panels. I'm going to pick up a sheet of 1/4" Durock to replace them. But first I'm going to have to test the springs on the staircases. According to the specs it weighs about 2 pounds per square foot so the 2'x4' panel will weigh 16 pounds. If that keeps the staircase from closing all the way, the fire resistance is meaningless. Maybe I'll try hanging a bowling ball and bag from the pull rope.
Steve, I suspect the laminate trimmer manufacturers got together to set a standard because all of the ones I found looked alike -- I picked the DeWalt on the basis of price.Bob, your roller guide looks very similar to my Makita.
Your box has come up well..
The box surprised me. I expected it to continue to be a pile of scrap wood.
Jon, I feel the same way. I found the biscuit joiner helped hide many of my usual mistakes and a really coarse sanding belt hid the remainder. I have since invested in some router bits and may try some fancy joinery. OK, fancy is an exaggeration.Bob,
Good job on the box!
I've always wanted to be able to make something like that, but alas my woodworking skills are non existant.
Given enough sanding & paint my stuff will look passable at best.
Andrew, I now have to find something worthy of this magnificent box. Because it has exceeded my expectations I may have to buy some plug cutters and matching drills to fix the scars and holes in the lid.
Craig, I needed six screws that were less than 3/4" long for the lid and I found five but they had slots. I found many slightly longer ones for the sides and decided to go with the flow and picked slotted ones for those as well. Some of my hardware collection is older than me so it's surprising they aren't hand forged. Hmmm maybe I can get Andy to make some for me.Bob, I think your the first person I've seen use slotted screws on a new project.
Wrenchn, I bought some new switch plates the other day and they came with slotted screws. I checked Amazon and they have a number of different slotted screws for wood, sheet metal and machine with lots of different screw heads: hex, flat, oval, round and pyramid for a start. But you already knew that didn't you?
https://www.amazon.com/s/ref=nb_sb_...tted+screws&rh=n:17290023011,k:slotted+screws
Andy, I was watching the screws but now realize that's not the same as clocking them.
I am proud to be ignored by you.
Steve, Lyndon and Andy are family so I expect a little abuse. Friends, like you, are more understanding and forgiving. Yet all three of you are special members of the Big C family and have my respect and admiration.
TurtleValley
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With the recent frigid temperatures (it was in the 40s [F]) I was afraid the garage would get cold (below 70 [F]). My hillbilly jeans (genes?) decided the hole in the ceiling needed a patch. My valleybilly jeans suggested I buy a sheet of 5/8" fire rated drywall. Turns out hillbilly saw a piece of cardboard in the recycling bin.
That is awesome!! Not to be a safety Sally, but don't you need to have two layers of cardboard to meet the fire rating?
Plus you will Up the R value significantly. Oh yah, Duct taping the joints will win you the Ed Green Award!drivesitfar
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BOB: pretty handy fix on the hole. i went back a week or maybe two on your thread and didn't see how it got there or maybe that was a leak caused by those 2 hoodlums you had on your roof a while back? in any case I wanted to mention that i've seen 1/2 and 1/4 sheets of drywall and plywood for sale at a few hardware stores in case you don't want to buy a full sheet and have leftover. i'm not exactly sure how you'd fix that yourself either, but if there is a way I know you'll do it. or maybe take a drive around the neighborhood and maybe ask a few guys remodeling the homes with hurricane damage if they have a small piece of drywall to give you? or ask if they'll install it for $50 and mud and tape it?
Turtle: I just had to say I agree that DUCT TAPE might be one of my favorite items to buy and now comes in several colors and EXTRA STRENGTH TOO. just a little correction on your Canadian Comedian that a lot of us have enjoyed over the years is RED GREEN and not ED GREEN and I googled him a while back and he's been married to same gal for over 30 years.
what was it he said at the meetings at the end of each show something like "I CAN CHANGE, IF I HAVE TO"?
and "IF the women don't find you handsome at least they'll find you handy" or something like that.
Turtle: I just had to say I agree that DUCT TAPE might be one of my favorite items to buy and now comes in several colors and EXTRA STRENGTH TOO. just a little correction on your Canadian Comedian that a lot of us have enjoyed over the years is RED GREEN and not ED GREEN and I googled him a while back and he's been married to same gal for over 30 years.
what was it he said at the meetings at the end of each show something like "I CAN CHANGE, IF I HAVE TO"?
and "IF the women don't find you handsome at least they'll find you handy" or something like that.
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Wrenchn, I was surprised as well but the older I get the less I want to leave the house. I dragged out my router table to see if I could use it and found the wooden fence pieces are held on by slotted screws from the factory.
TV, I was going through my current cardboard collection and that was the only piece big enough. Maybe I should cut back on my cardboard recycling. I also checked my sheet asbestos supply for some added R-value and that has apparently gone missing. I completely forgot about the duct tape. Gettin' old is a *****.That is awesome!! Not to be a safety Sally, but don't you need to have two layers of cardboard to meet the fire rating?
I love your little piece of paradise and I look forward to updates.
Drives, last year I noticed a water stain in that spot and wasn't sure it was new. I bought a cheap moisture meter to check it and there was no moisture detected. The week after the hoodlums visited I found water on the cabinet and floor in the garage. They didn't start the leak but obviously having them walking around on the cement roof tiles didn't help.
I was worried that water was pooling so I drilled a couple of holes in the ceiling. Water poured out so after the rain quit I cut that rectangle out. The leak was going on for quite a while but the origin wasn't obvious from inspecting the roof deck from below. I hired a reputable roofer and he repaired the roof.
I don't go out much so I'll wait until I have more than the sheet of drywall on the list. I buy a 4'x8'x5/8" sheet, cut it in half in the parking lot and put the two pieces in the PT Cruiser. Then I'll cut a piece to size, balance this little piece on my head and screw it in. After that I tape and mud the piece in, spray some texture and knock it down to match the rest of the garage ceiling. It's not hard work, just fussy.
I've been using routers for three or four decades and the first one I bought has the trigger in the handle. I found it reasonably controllable but found the small trim router to be much easier. I made the mistake of buying a large plunge router, expecting it to be useful. It turns out it isn't meant to be used one-handed. Guiding the router while pushing down on one side doesn't work so I have to bend over the router and press down with my chest. That's OK for small jobs but really dangerous trying to rout a dado in a 4'x8' sheet.
My little box project made me re-visit the router situation. I decided to mount the plunge router under the router table and use the other two routers as portables.
The router table has countersunk holes and the router has 10-32 mounting holes so I needed to find three countersunk 10-32 screws. I know I don't have any new screws in that configuration so I got out the miscellaneous screw drawer.
Out of that entire collection, I found 5 screws in three different versions, two phillips oval button-head, one phillips flat-head and two slotted flat-head.
A sane person would have gone to the hardware store and bought three screws but I chose to scrounge, saving gas, money and surplus screws -- you know they are going to have two or five screws to the bag (two stainless or five galvanized). If you thought that was my only miscellaneous machine screw collection, you would be wrong. I have this and it isn't the whole collection (I do this to annoy whoever handles my estate -- I've hinted that there's valuable stuff hidden in the collection).
After you spend a bit of time looking for a specific piece of hardware, you can spot them from a good distance away. I found this at the bottom of one of the jars:
With the router mounted securely, I discovered a flaw in my plan. Those button-head screws stick up above the surface of the table. Well, that's what grinders are for. The last step was to make a more substantial fence so I could route some locking miters. It's just a 1x4 screwed to the two fence brackets.
My little box project made me re-visit the router situation. I decided to mount the plunge router under the router table and use the other two routers as portables.
The router table has countersunk holes and the router has 10-32 mounting holes so I needed to find three countersunk 10-32 screws. I know I don't have any new screws in that configuration so I got out the miscellaneous screw drawer.
Out of that entire collection, I found 5 screws in three different versions, two phillips oval button-head, one phillips flat-head and two slotted flat-head.
A sane person would have gone to the hardware store and bought three screws but I chose to scrounge, saving gas, money and surplus screws -- you know they are going to have two or five screws to the bag (two stainless or five galvanized). If you thought that was my only miscellaneous machine screw collection, you would be wrong. I have this and it isn't the whole collection (I do this to annoy whoever handles my estate -- I've hinted that there's valuable stuff hidden in the collection).
After you spend a bit of time looking for a specific piece of hardware, you can spot them from a good distance away. I found this at the bottom of one of the jars:
With the router mounted securely, I discovered a flaw in my plan. Those button-head screws stick up above the surface of the table. Well, that's what grinders are for. The last step was to make a more substantial fence so I could route some locking miters. It's just a 1x4 screwed to the two fence brackets.
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Now that I have my routers ready to go, I decided to do a little work on that box. First job is to plane the lid down to size. I used my rabbet plane and I have to say it's fun to use when it's sharp and adjusted. I swept up the shavings and put them in the box. No, I'm not saving them.
I wanted to see if beveling the edges of the box would make it look a little less clunky so I ran the router around the box. The lid is a bit warped and springs open so I plan to re-do the lid (the hinge mortises are a little shallow as well).
For now the box will keep the label maker free of dust and dirt if I set a weight on the lid.
I wanted to see if beveling the edges of the box would make it look a little less clunky so I ran the router around the box. The lid is a bit warped and springs open so I plan to re-do the lid (the hinge mortises are a little shallow as well).
For now the box will keep the label maker free of dust and dirt if I set a weight on the lid.
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driftpin
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Bob, I'm glad that you are able to handle all this stuff yourself. I appreciate your persistence in getting things accomplished. Sometimes I wonder about getting something done, and I've found myself thinking, "geez, Bob would tackle this!" Then it's time to get to work.
I found your comment about the "clean-up crew" who are faced with the daunting task of, "what to-do wit' all these damn jars?" in the event of your demise, very funny. The suggestion that they conceal valuable items will compel the greedy estate clean-up crew to empty each and every one.
I just got done getting my Liftmaster 8500 garage door openers and the kit that they come-with, working. I did an addition to the front property setback at our house, for the garage, as part of a multi-year plan/project to re-model the house for retirement. The guy who sold and installed the HVHZ-rated (high velocity hurricane zone, for those of you who only have to deal with those transient twisters/tornadoes instead of hours-long hurricanes) garage doors (Clopay double-wall insulated single-bay,each) didn't install the ceiling lights each opener comes-with. I just had them in a box, w/other leftover parts from the garage door install. Yesterday, I finally decided to install the ceiling lights, or at-least, one of them. You know, the ones that light-up when the OH garage door opens/closes. These are high-zoot, double-throwdown, electronic marvels that Mhz-communicate w/the wall-mount door program/control panel. They claim there is no Amazon-"Alexa" microphone eavesdropping on you 24/7, but I saw too-many circuits in the PC board for what they are supposed to be doing, opening and closing a garage door.
Well anyway, I hung one of the two wireless remote operating lamps, dug-out the manual, programmed it, and durn if it didn't light! How vexacious! I tried re-programming, and making sure I wasn't upset with a burned-out bulb I failed to recognize sooner (a motorcycle story about that I have for another time). Nope, as Chevrolet named their compact car in the 1960's, much to the amusement of their Spanish market customers, "no-va." No-go. No light.
So, I removed that one, which I had already installed, and grabbed the other wireless-controlled light fixture. Smartening-up, this one I programmed before installing it. Exito! This one worked. I installed it, and had at-least one light coming on-and-off with one garage door operating.
I called the installer, and he told me he would bring me a replacement in the morning, (that would be today) and so he did, and he couldn't program the faulty light to work, either, so it's a bad fixture. Working with the same light that I hung and successfully-programmed to operate, he did program the same light to operate when either garage door opens or closes, which I did not know was possible, and which refuted one of the keyboard commando "garage door opener mechanics" who erroneously posted specifically in-response to this question from someone else, "that's not possible!" in the 'Amazon question & answer about this product' ********, sir!
I am feeling very pleased with myself, since I finally got-off my **** and managed to get at-least one garage door opener wireless-communicator ceiling light functional, and re-programmed my vehicle remotes to work for us. It's much-better when the $ you spent for something like this is finally doing what it's supposed to be doing.
An earlier house call, the garage door lift installer had switched-out a wall controller for one of mine that was misbehaving. The durn thing was "chirrup'ing" like a cage full of happy parakeets. About every 40 seconds, day-and night, for months. It is on the other side of our split-floor plan, so it really wasn't audible unless you were in the garage. It made me feel that the garage was a sub-tropical area, and that the birds would warn me of approaching man-eating tigers, which in-fact, seemed to be working.
But no-ooooh, the new box didn't stop the parakeets' song. The garage door installer told me, "contact Liftmaster/Chamberlain, they will warranty one for you." Otherwise he wanted to charge me a lot of money for a replacement, and to install it. Since it's one screw to mount, and two screws for wiring the bell-wire solid-core thin-gauge wire lands, I thought I could handle that. After-all, if I encounter difficulty at this stage of the fitment, I'll consult my wife, the honest-to-god EE (electrical engineer).
I got the new wall-mount door opener control panel, wired it, mounted it, and I didn't need to consult the residential EE. And, you know what? The birds had flown the coop, no constant "chirrup!" I think they probably interfered with the stealth microphone reception which I know is reporting my colorful shop invectives when I draw blood in there or botch something.
I kinda miss those cheerful fellows, and their constant greeting.
I found your comment about the "clean-up crew" who are faced with the daunting task of, "what to-do wit' all these damn jars?" in the event of your demise, very funny. The suggestion that they conceal valuable items will compel the greedy estate clean-up crew to empty each and every one.
I just got done getting my Liftmaster 8500 garage door openers and the kit that they come-with, working. I did an addition to the front property setback at our house, for the garage, as part of a multi-year plan/project to re-model the house for retirement. The guy who sold and installed the HVHZ-rated (high velocity hurricane zone, for those of you who only have to deal with those transient twisters/tornadoes instead of hours-long hurricanes) garage doors (Clopay double-wall insulated single-bay,each) didn't install the ceiling lights each opener comes-with. I just had them in a box, w/other leftover parts from the garage door install. Yesterday, I finally decided to install the ceiling lights, or at-least, one of them. You know, the ones that light-up when the OH garage door opens/closes. These are high-zoot, double-throwdown, electronic marvels that Mhz-communicate w/the wall-mount door program/control panel. They claim there is no Amazon-"Alexa" microphone eavesdropping on you 24/7, but I saw too-many circuits in the PC board for what they are supposed to be doing, opening and closing a garage door.
Well anyway, I hung one of the two wireless remote operating lamps, dug-out the manual, programmed it, and durn if it didn't light! How vexacious! I tried re-programming, and making sure I wasn't upset with a burned-out bulb I failed to recognize sooner (a motorcycle story about that I have for another time). Nope, as Chevrolet named their compact car in the 1960's, much to the amusement of their Spanish market customers, "no-va." No-go. No light.
So, I removed that one, which I had already installed, and grabbed the other wireless-controlled light fixture. Smartening-up, this one I programmed before installing it. Exito! This one worked. I installed it, and had at-least one light coming on-and-off with one garage door operating.
I called the installer, and he told me he would bring me a replacement in the morning, (that would be today) and so he did, and he couldn't program the faulty light to work, either, so it's a bad fixture. Working with the same light that I hung and successfully-programmed to operate, he did program the same light to operate when either garage door opens or closes, which I did not know was possible, and which refuted one of the keyboard commando "garage door opener mechanics" who erroneously posted specifically in-response to this question from someone else, "that's not possible!" in the 'Amazon question & answer about this product' ********, sir!
I am feeling very pleased with myself, since I finally got-off my **** and managed to get at-least one garage door opener wireless-communicator ceiling light functional, and re-programmed my vehicle remotes to work for us. It's much-better when the $ you spent for something like this is finally doing what it's supposed to be doing.
An earlier house call, the garage door lift installer had switched-out a wall controller for one of mine that was misbehaving. The durn thing was "chirrup'ing" like a cage full of happy parakeets. About every 40 seconds, day-and night, for months. It is on the other side of our split-floor plan, so it really wasn't audible unless you were in the garage. It made me feel that the garage was a sub-tropical area, and that the birds would warn me of approaching man-eating tigers, which in-fact, seemed to be working.
But no-ooooh, the new box didn't stop the parakeets' song. The garage door installer told me, "contact Liftmaster/Chamberlain, they will warranty one for you." Otherwise he wanted to charge me a lot of money for a replacement, and to install it. Since it's one screw to mount, and two screws for wiring the bell-wire solid-core thin-gauge wire lands, I thought I could handle that. After-all, if I encounter difficulty at this stage of the fitment, I'll consult my wife, the honest-to-god EE (electrical engineer).
I got the new wall-mount door opener control panel, wired it, mounted it, and I didn't need to consult the residential EE. And, you know what? The birds had flown the coop, no constant "chirrup!" I think they probably interfered with the stealth microphone reception which I know is reporting my colorful shop invectives when I draw blood in there or botch something.
I kinda miss those cheerful fellows, and their constant greeting.
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Bob, I have limited my self to one only " Miscellaneous Screw Collection " because what peeves me off is when I go to the hardware store and purchase some screws that I need, and then some time later that I in fact have 20 of the same in some obscure place in the shelves that I had forgotten about.
Bevelling the edges of your storage box looks great, however I am still concerned your hinges are missing some screws and they appear to have unclocked themselves.
Regards
Bevelling the edges of your storage box looks great, however I am still concerned your hinges are missing some screws and they appear to have unclocked themselves.
Regards
oldironfarmer
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Hey Bob! Interestingly my router table router is an old Craftsman with the trigger in the handle. I hate using it because I have to reach under the workbench it is mounted in to turn it on and off. It's a pain but I don't know how to wire a switched outlet for it.
Those shavings make very nice coal forge starter fuel. If you think you want to take up blacksmithing, save them.
Box is looking gooder and gooder.
Those shavings make very nice coal forge starter fuel. If you think you want to take up blacksmithing, save them.
Box is looking gooder and gooder.
TurtleValley
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"TV, I was going through my current cardboard collection and that was the only piece big enough. Maybe I should cut back on my cardboard recycling. I also checked my sheet asbestos supply for some added R-value and that has apparently gone missing. I completely forgot about the duct tape. Gettin' old is a *****.
I love your little piece of paradise and I look forward to updates. "
Bob, your box is turning out great. It is nice to make stuff. You should put the shavings above the cardboard drywall patch for insulation... Also, Duct Tape will fix anything!
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I love your little piece of paradise and I look forward to updates. "
Bob, your box is turning out great. It is nice to make stuff. You should put the shavings above the cardboard drywall patch for insulation... Also, Duct Tape will fix anything!
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rixtrix1
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Just dropping by to say "Hi", Bob! Good to see you made it through last year without too much damage. Maybe you can even spend some time on new and fun projects, besides just doing maintenance! Best wishes
bolensboneyard
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Looking good Bob. Spring must be in the air. Bobby
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sawduststeve
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Evening Bob,
Love the storage jars, they remind me of my Dads shed when I was little, He had loads of glass jam jars with the metal lids nailed to the underneath of various shelves. I raked through them all, but I don't remember ever using anything. We later bought a workshop and started a business, bought stuff in bulk and stored it under the work benches.
I do love a router and have a few, big and small. Palm routers are very useful, I haven't chopped in hinges by hand for years now, all routered in. If I may be so bold, I think your box lid is binding because the hinges may be in too deep, a folded piece of sandpaper under one leaf might help out. The 45dg bevel really smartens the box nicely.
Steve.
Ps. it's official, deposits paid, flights ordered, put the kettle on, I'll be over in july.
Love the storage jars, they remind me of my Dads shed when I was little, He had loads of glass jam jars with the metal lids nailed to the underneath of various shelves. I raked through them all, but I don't remember ever using anything. We later bought a workshop and started a business, bought stuff in bulk and stored it under the work benches.
I do love a router and have a few, big and small. Palm routers are very useful, I haven't chopped in hinges by hand for years now, all routered in. If I may be so bold, I think your box lid is binding because the hinges may be in too deep, a folded piece of sandpaper under one leaf might help out.
The 45dg bevel really smartens the box nicely.Steve.
Ps. it's official, deposits paid, flights ordered, put the kettle on, I'll be over in july.
All, by the time I finish reading all the thread updates I've subscribed to, the day is over. Well, dentist and doctor visits helped shorten the free time as well.
Our house was built in 1988 (before hurricane Andrew) and had very flimsy steel doors. When we bought the house in 1996, I filled the doors with Styrofoam insulation at the same time I insulated the garage ceiling. Because the doors were so light, the builder had installed 1/4hp (might be 1/3hp) chain drive openers. The three doorbell buttons were installed in individual switch-plates. I thought it looked stupid and put all three buttons on one switch-plate and patched the two unused holes.
Our home is located in a zone E risk area (evacuate for Cat 5 storm). After Andrew (1992) my homeowner insurance wouldn't cover wind damage so I needed a separate policy through Florida Windstorm Underwriting insurance (eventually renamed Citizens). It was less than $1,000 a year so it wasn't too bad. In 2001 Citizens decided to raise its rates 20%. They would then raise their rates by 30% the following year and 40% every subsequent year until "...your premium reaches the appropriate premium for your home."
The notice included a way to reduce the premiums if your house had some "Loss Reduction Devices." Being an insurance company, they won't take your word for it so they generously offered to have an "approved qualified professional" (AQP) check your house for $150. The AQP was going to check for the following:
I didn't qualify for three of the reductions (the two crossed out and the Garage Door Bracing). I tried to buy some braces and install them myself but the garage door companies won't sell you braces unless you change the extension springs as well (added weight). I contacted the insurance company about the doors and they said none of the credits would apply if the garage doors weren't braced. ****!!!
My 2001 tax rebate for $600 covered half the cost (if I install them myself). Turns out garage doors aren't all that hard to install and our local Faith Farm was happy to take the old ones away!
The real work was installing the Styrofoam insulation in the new doors. I removed the 8 pieces I had carefully fitted to the old doors and cut them up into a 32-piece jigsaw puzzle so I didn't waste all that foam (remember, three doors like this one).
The new doors are heavier so the primary garage door opener gives up the ghost. I took it apart and discovered the circuit board was fried. A new circuit board was $110 and a new opener was $139. A few years later my Corvette daily driver opener suffered a similar fate. My garage now has two of these....
...and one of these.
The new openers have fancy controls to replace the doorbell buttons so my 3-button switch-plate has to go. Those two boxes I patched over have to be opened back up for the new controls and they interfere with the oddball button. Found a used fancy button like the other two. I gutted the electronics and installed the doorbell in its place.
It may look stupid to have labels on the buttons and switches but as my memory fades, I expect to be like most old people in Florida and drive long after I no longer know how.
My final goal on the garage door openers is to replace the remaining old Liftmaster chain drive with an 8500 Liftmaster. That requires me to convert the center door from extension springs to a torsion spring. Until recently I couldn't find a kit (they don't want you mucking with the old torsion springs). Clopay now sells an EZ-Set conversion spring that uses a neat tensioner that avoids the two-bar four-handed tension setup.
https://www.homedepot.com/p/Clopay-...Doors-109-lbs-133-lbs-LW-ORANGE-A-8/207135204
It is very frustrating to have the screws you need but not be able to find them. I haven't really made it easier on myself but I am getting better at hiding more stuff in one place. This way I don't have to wander back and forth between the garage and workshop as much.
I could have sworn I clocked those screws but double-vision sometimes fools me.
I am really thrilled to have you post here and can't tell you how much it warms my heart knowing you are feeling better.
I would prefer to take up whitesmithing. My wife hates it when I leave black smudges everywhere.
The box is becoming a problem. It is looking better than I expected and if Liane sees it, I may have a new To-Do list. She believes my woodworking skills are in the "one hand clapping" category.
^^^^^^
I went out to the Workshop, removed the hinges from the box and planed some off the top of the box (not the lid). Sure enough, the lid closed tight when I put it back together. Now I need to find a better scrap to make the lid and mortise the other hinge leaf (with a router). Thanks for the excellent advice.
The box is coming out better than expected and I may just make it a Valentine's Day present -- or Mother's Day.
I have some loose tea from my India trip in 1996. It makes a cup that looks more like coffee than tea.
If you are coming to Florida in July, do you have a fire suit? Our summer sun isn't as strong as it is down under but I have seen several Brits burst into flames upon leaving our airport terminal.
Philip, I have three garage doors to fuss with.
Our house was built in 1988 (before hurricane Andrew) and had very flimsy steel doors. When we bought the house in 1996, I filled the doors with Styrofoam insulation at the same time I insulated the garage ceiling. Because the doors were so light, the builder had installed 1/4hp (might be 1/3hp) chain drive openers. The three doorbell buttons were installed in individual switch-plates. I thought it looked stupid and put all three buttons on one switch-plate and patched the two unused holes.
Our home is located in a zone E risk area (evacuate for Cat 5 storm). After Andrew (1992) my homeowner insurance wouldn't cover wind damage so I needed a separate policy through Florida Windstorm Underwriting insurance (eventually renamed Citizens). It was less than $1,000 a year so it wasn't too bad. In 2001 Citizens decided to raise its rates 20%. They would then raise their rates by 30% the following year and 40% every subsequent year until "...your premium reaches the appropriate premium for your home."
The notice included a way to reduce the premiums if your house had some "Loss Reduction Devices." Being an insurance company, they won't take your word for it so they generously offered to have an "approved qualified professional" (AQP) check your house for $150. The AQP was going to check for the following:
I didn't qualify for three of the reductions (the two crossed out and the Garage Door Bracing). I tried to buy some braces and install them myself but the garage door companies won't sell you braces unless you change the extension springs as well (added weight). I contacted the insurance company about the doors and they said none of the credits would apply if the garage doors weren't braced. ****!!!
My 2001 tax rebate for $600 covered half the cost (if I install them myself). Turns out garage doors aren't all that hard to install and our local Faith Farm was happy to take the old ones away!
The real work was installing the Styrofoam insulation in the new doors. I removed the 8 pieces I had carefully fitted to the old doors and cut them up into a 32-piece jigsaw puzzle so I didn't waste all that foam (remember, three doors like this one).
The new doors are heavier so the primary garage door opener gives up the ghost. I took it apart and discovered the circuit board was fried. A new circuit board was $110 and a new opener was $139. A few years later my Corvette daily driver opener suffered a similar fate. My garage now has two of these....
...and one of these.
The new openers have fancy controls to replace the doorbell buttons so my 3-button switch-plate has to go. Those two boxes I patched over have to be opened back up for the new controls and they interfere with the oddball button. Found a used fancy button like the other two. I gutted the electronics and installed the doorbell in its place.
It may look stupid to have labels on the buttons and switches but as my memory fades, I expect to be like most old people in Florida and drive long after I no longer know how.
My final goal on the garage door openers is to replace the remaining old Liftmaster chain drive with an 8500 Liftmaster. That requires me to convert the center door from extension springs to a torsion spring. Until recently I couldn't find a kit (they don't want you mucking with the old torsion springs). Clopay now sells an EZ-Set conversion spring that uses a neat tensioner that avoids the two-bar four-handed tension setup.
https://www.homedepot.com/p/Clopay-...Doors-109-lbs-133-lbs-LW-ORANGE-A-8/207135204
Steve, I could probably limit myself to one "Miscellaneous Screw Collection" container but I'd have to find a clear 55-gallon drum.Bob, I have limited my self to one only " Miscellaneous Screw Collection " because what peeves me off is when I go to the hardware store and purchase some screws that I need, and then some time later that I in fact have 20 of the same in some obscure place in the shelves that I had forgotten about.
Bevelling the edges of your storage box looks great, however I am still concerned your hinges are missing some screws and they appear to have unclocked themselves.
Regards
It is very frustrating to have the screws you need but not be able to find them. I haven't really made it easier on myself but I am getting better at hiding more stuff in one place. This way I don't have to wander back and forth between the garage and workshop as much.
I could have sworn I clocked those screws but double-vision sometimes fools me.
I am really thrilled to have you post here and can't tell you how much it warms my heart knowing you are feeling better.
BF, thanks for the compliment and for posting. I have seen your rolling cart and have only one fear. It upsets me when I remove and misplace a few drawers from my hardware cabinets but would have "the big one" if I misplaced the whole rolling stash. I love your cabinet and I love having stuff on wheels but combining the two in my life could be fatal.Nice box! The routed corners do look good!!! Now you need to get started on that new hardware cabinet, I may have a few ideas for it
Andy, I share your frustration with that router mounted on the table. Just last week I removed it and installed the plunge router in its place.Hey Bob! Interestingly my router table router is an old Craftsman with the trigger in the handle. I hate using it because I have to reach under the workbench it is mounted in to turn it on and off. It's a pain but I don't know how to wire a switched outlet for it.
Those shavings make very nice coal forge starter fuel. If you think you want to take up blacksmithing, save them.
Box is looking gooder and gooder.
I would prefer to take up whitesmithing. My wife hates it when I leave black smudges everywhere.
The box is becoming a problem. It is looking better than I expected and if Liane sees it, I may have a new To-Do list. She believes my woodworking skills are in the "one hand clapping" category.
TV, thanks for stopping by. You have once again given me an incontinence test. I passed (?) but just barely.
Hi Ric, it's so good to hear from you again. My wife is finding things to fill my senior moments. If I get that "why am I in here?" look she thinks up a project for me to do. That or "if you aren't doing anything..." and I have a chore or repair.
Bobby, the yard is in bloom and leaves are falling off the oak trees. Very confusing.
Andrew, they obviously know I'm a Floridian. Just for fun I Googled "who can i sue" and got this response:Had to laugh at the ad that came up below this picture.
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Steve, my father-in-law saved peanut butter jars for more than a decade. Kept them in a cardboard box in the basement. Without asking, his wife threw the box out, thinking it was the previous owner's trash. That ended up being the last time he ate a peanut butter and jelly sandwich.Evening Bob,
Love the storage jars, they remind me of my Dads shed when I was little, He had loads of glass jam jars with the metal lids nailed to the underneath of various shelves. I raked through them all, but I don't remember ever using anything. We later bought a workshop and started a business, bought stuff in bulk and stored it under the work benches.
I do love a router and have a few, big and small. Palm routers are very useful, I haven't chopped in hinges by hand for years now, all routered in. If I may be so bold, I think your box lid is binding because the hinges may be in too deep, a folded piece of sandpaper under one leaf might help out.
Steve.
Ps. it's official, deposits paid, flights ordered, put the kettle on, I'll be over in july.
I went out to the Workshop, removed the hinges from the box and planed some off the top of the box (not the lid). Sure enough, the lid closed tight when I put it back together. Now I need to find a better scrap to make the lid and mortise the other hinge leaf (with a router). Thanks for the excellent advice.
The box is coming out better than expected and I may just make it a Valentine's Day present -- or Mother's Day.
I have some loose tea from my India trip in 1996. It makes a cup that looks more like coffee than tea.
If you are coming to Florida in July, do you have a fire suit? Our summer sun isn't as strong as it is down under but I have seen several Brits burst into flames upon leaving our airport terminal.
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Bob it isn’t hot in Florida. Cool water, soft breeze, bikinis.......
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